Dayton @ Duquesne Game Thread

[Fudd]

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University of Dayton @ Duquesne *
January 30, 2011 - 2:00 PM

[Fudd]

http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/74-duquesne-2010-11-basketball-preview-168755



http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/sites/collegehoopsnet.com.new/files/imagecache/Feature/sites/collegehoopsnet.com.new/files/ncaa_logos/DuquesneDukes.pngOverall Rank: #74


Conference Rank: #7 Atlantic 10 Conference


2009-10: 16-16, 7-9
2009-10 postseason: CBI
Coach: Ron Everhart (64-61 at Duquesne, 238-233 overall)


Final Projection:
The depth in the frontcourt may be an issue if the younger players cannot step up their game. The good news is this team will run more and Saunders is perfectly capable of playing at the five spot without getting into foul trouble. In fact, he averaged an amazing 36.7 minutes per game last year and only tallied 2.5 fouls per contest. Depth is nice, but nobody is going to replace Saunders’ production on the floor.

Projected Post-season Tournament: NIT

Projected Starting Five:
Eric Evans, Junior, Guard, 10.0 ppg
Sean Johnson, Sophomore, Guard, 5.6 ppg
B.J. Monteiro, Junior, Guard, 11.1 ppg
Bill Clark, Senior, Forward, 14.1 ppg
Damian Saunders, Senior, Forward, 15.0 ppg

[Fudd]

From WH:

http://www.basketballforum.com/atlantic-10-conference/448180-duquesne-real-post.html


DUQUESNE

W - BLUFIELD STATE
W - At Robert Morris
W - At Bowling GreeN
W - MARYLAND BALTIMORE COUNTY
L - Pitt (Console Energy Center)
L - At Penn State
W - At Green Bay Wisconsin
W - WEST VIRGINIA (Console Energy Center)
W - IUPUI
L - GEORGE MASON
W - NORTHWESTERN STATE
W - NORFOLK STATE
W - HOUSTON BAPTIST


NONCONFERENCE RECORD: 10-3.


The key to Duquesne's success this year will depend on the following: shooting better from outside (league worst 26% on treys) and defending better from outside (12th in 3PG FG%); grabbing more rebounds (-3.9 margin); getting more consistent point play; developing a deeper bench; and finding more help inside for Damian Saunders. THe Dukes are small or inexperienced in the frontcourt.

I think the Dukes should be better than last year. Everhart recruited some really good shooters and athletic wing players. They really need 6-10 frosh bigman Derrick Martin to get Clearinghouse approval. I predict a huge year for the unsung swingman B.J. Monteiro. He's like a smaller Saunders. Yet while the team has a nice core of four veterans, it's otherwise young and inexperienced.

The Dukes start off easy with Bluefield State (does this qualify as Div. 1 win?). Robert Morris lost coach Mike Rice and the new guy is young. RMU still has talent, but the Dukes should rout their smaller rival.

Bowling Green is young and coming off a poor season. MAC teams have always proven difficult for the A-10 to beat on the road. I see the Dukes eking this game out but wouldnt be surprised if they lost. The good news is that Ron Everhart almost always overachieves in noncon play and beats the teams he is supposed to beat. Hence a win over UMBC too (the school only won 4 games a year ago).

Then comes a tough stretch. The Dukes had their chance to beat Pitt last year. They won't get much of a chance this season.

Penn State is very beatable and the A-10 has had good success against the Nittany Lions. Tough to win on the road vs. a Big 10 team, though. Green Bay Wisconsin lost its coach after yet another 20-win season, but the team returns its top two guards and they have always given A-10 teams trouble. No gimme, this one. Could easily be the third straight loss.

West Virginia has a star in Kevin Jones and some tough veteran guards, but this Mountaineer team might be the least talented of the short Huggins era. This is my upset special. If the Dukes are going to get a bigname scalp, this is the most likely one.

Problem is, if they win they might let their guard down vs. a good IUPUI team that won 20 games last season, including a 73-64 win over Duquesne in Indy. Trap game. IUPUI has a terrific guard named (Young?) who would be an All-Conference player in the A-10. They won't be scared of the Dukes.

I see the Dukes either losing to IUPUI or Mason at home. Mason is tough and physical, the kind of grind-it-out team that gives Duquesne trouble. Both of these games are winnable, but there is little margin for error. The Dukes have to come to play each game.

The team finishes with what should be three relatively easy wins over lower-level Divsion 1 schools.

BONUS

A-10 PREDICTION: 7-9 (17-12 overall).

The Dukes pair up with Dayton, St. Louis and St. Bonaventure. Last year the team 2-5 against thos three teams, losing twice to Bona and barely beating the Bonnies (70-69) in the other game. I can't see the team doing any better than 3-3 in these games, and more likely 2-4. The Dukes also have to go on the road vs St Joes, UMass, LaSalle, Fordham and Richmond.

[Whacker]

http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15609 (http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15609)

Duquesne preview

[dnutz77]

bump.

[FlyerFanatic21]

4 turnovers in less than 2 minutes already. 5-4 Dayton though, and PW is down in pain.

[frisco flyer]

Looks like we are utterly unprepared for this game.
The Dukes are doing exactly what everyone knows they would: getting one turnover after the next, and we seem not to be prepared to protect the ball.

[tirebiter]

Please keep up the comments and score updates. I have gametracker only for this one. Bummer. Thanks for any descriptions anybody can provide!

[tirebiter]

And even gametracker is frozen on pregame preview. Arrrrgh.

[Furio]

Dukes 8 UD7

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Please keep up the comments and score updates. I have gametracker only for this one. Bummer. Thanks for any descriptions anybody can provide!

Is game tracker even working for you? Mine is not

[Sid Louick]

frisco - how do you prepare to protect the ball?

[Furio]

Dukes 12 UD 10

[cralford]

And even gametracker is frozen on pregame preview. Arrrrgh.

I would listen to the radio. if you can't pick up 1290 try streaming it at

http://streaming.newstalkradiowhio.com/_players/coxradio/index.php?callsign=WHIO

you might have to give up gametracker though.

[tirebiter]

All I get is the pregame preview page on gametracker.

[Furio]

Dukes 16 UD 13 13:07 left in first half

[jack72]

More turnovers and poor defense. Everything for them is a layup. And as Bucky said,"CW has a mismatch and we are not getting him the ball." Do we have any coaches at the game?

[FlyerFanatic21]

Cj already out with 2 fouls. At least Benson is playing despite the report of him getting sick. 16-15 Dukes.

[Flyer_Tom]

Have the Dukes committed a foul yet? I am getting sick of every team becoming angels on the floor against this team.

[jack72]

JS is picking up our bad habits. Poor rushed airball and then a charge.

[Swampy Meadows]

16-15 Dukes with 12 to go

[The Gem]

So far UD hanging in there.

[jack72]

JB playing well so far.

[frisco flyer]

UD up 2, 18-16

[Flyer_Tom]

There is a phrase we just do not hear enough of this year "Good defensive stand by the Flyers"...sometimes I miss the Hair and the Stiff.

[Furio]

Flyers 20-16

[lilrudy4787]

Have the Dukes committed a foul yet? I am getting sick of every team becoming angels on the floor against this team.

Thats what happens when you dont step inside the three point line.

[Swampy Meadows]

Gotta love the two 24 seciond clock violations so far.

[tirebiter]

No play by play or box score available on aol, or yahoo, or cbs sportsline. Nobody in the building has a laptop?

Anybody here have any line on any box score or play by play?

[Swampy Meadows]

DMO with the D.

[udx2]

Nice sequence, good play by Devin and we have the lead 22 - 16

[frisco flyer]

How about the freshman getting it done on defense

[The Gem]

9-0 run for the Flyers.

[rmdflyers]

Big play, DO. Flyers up 6. TO Dukes.

[lhsgolf19]

Way to go DMO!

[jack72]

Have not listened to the radio in awhile. Is Larry excited or what? Great to hear!!

[Furio]

Flyers 22-16

[jcubspoe]

Sounds like we're playing pretty well so far. I have no boxscore anywhere.

[Swampy Meadows]

No play by play or box score available on aol, or yahoo, or cbs sportsline. Nobody in the building has a laptop?

Anybody here have any line on any box score or play by play?

Matt Schwade usually Tweets extensively during the game and he hasn't posted a single Tweet.

Might be a connectivity issue.

[C-time]

Matt Schwade usually Tweets extensively during the game and he hasn't posted a single Tweet.

Might be a connectivity issue.

He has been tweeting the entire game.

[jack72]

CW not showing up.... again

[jcubspoe]

Tied up now at 22.

[The Gem]

22-22 at under 8 time out. Flyers shooting very well, but we need to get some points in the paint as I don't think we can keep this hot shooting up the whole game.

[Swampy Meadows]

C-time: I'm not seeing them. He is posting on FH.net tho.

[jcubspoe]

Sounds like we aren't rebounding well

[frisco flyer]

CJ's two fouls are hurting us on the boards.

[kiefaber455]

God wouldn't it be nice not to let them get on a run

[rmdflyers]

C-time: I'm not seeing them. He is posting on FH.net tho.

I can see it Swampy. He has probably had 6-7 tweets in the 1st half so far.

[Flyer_Tom]

Holy crap 2 fouls already on the Dukes...geez.

[Swampy Meadows]

Have the Dukes committed a foul yet? I am getting sick of every team becoming angels on the floor against this team.

2 fouls in 13 minutes...what's your point?

[jcubspoe]

Paul Williams with 11 so far in the first half. UD down 28-26

[jack72]

This a team that does not foul, but yet we do not get agressive on offense. The Dukes mostly scoring at will against our D.

[kiefaber455]

More turnovers and poor defense. Everything for them is a layup. And as Bucky said,"CW has a mismatch and we are not getting him the ball." Do we have any coaches at the game?

Why should this game be any different than any other game they've played?

[Flyer_Tom]

My point is I get annoyed with our lack of aggression and the lack of respect from the refs.

[MD Flyer Pride]

2 fouls on Clark!

[Falcon7]

Can Staten SHOOT at all? More like LW all the time except his D is fair at best.

39% field, 16% from 3, & 57% FT's

[jcubspoe]

Duq up 33-28.

[lilrudy4787]

Can Staten SHOOT at all? More like LW all the time except his D is fair at best.

Ive gotten the feeling that the coaching staff tries and limits his shots. We have seen him hit a couple jumpers here and there.

I dont think he has the range for three's yet. needs to build up some muscle first.

[The Gem]

Besnon having a solid 1st half.

[jcubspoe]

Benson with 6 pts so far. Playing well as of late

[jcubspoe]

Until that turnover...lol.

[MD Flyer Pride]

Down 33-32 with 2 left

[jcubspoe]

Man, Benson with 8 points now!! And grabbing offensive boards.

[Furio]

Flyers 34-33 Benson on fire

[FlyerFanatic21]

Lots of success down low today. 36-33 Flyers.

[jcubspoe]

36-33 UD up. Duq going to the FT line.

[jack72]

Now we're playing!!

[Swampy Meadows]

"Tapped in by Benson!"

Larry can't say that often enuf.

[Falcon7]

Ive gotten the feeling that the coaching staff tries and limits his shots. We have seen him hit a couple jumpers here and there.

I dont think he has the range for three's yet. needs to build up some muscle first.

Build up some muscle first???
You are kidding, right?

[dnutz77]

Lots of success down low today. 36-33 Flyers.

Amazing how much better everything flows when you don't settle for threes...kind of helps on the offensive AND defensive side of the floor....

Turnovers and not playing smart are still hurting UD, though. Need to clean that up if they want to win on the road.

[jack72]

3 Duke rebounds on their missed free throws.

[jack72]

JS having a tough half

[FlyerFanatic21]

Wow, end of half woes continue. Back to back turnovers in the last 15seconds and we get lucky the last layup was put up too late. 39-36 Dukes at the half.

[Falcon7]

That a way to finish a HALF! Pathetic..

[MD Flyer Pride]

Dayton 36
Duquesne 39

at Half

[UACFlyer]

...mention the score and time a bit more frequently.....appear to be having some computer problems.

Thanks.

[jack72]

Wow, end of half woes continue. Back to back turnovers in the last 15seconds and we get lucky the last layup was put up too late. 39-36 Dukes at the half.

Larry never said who turned it over. Anyone know?

[The Gem]

sloppy play costs the chance to get the lead at half. Grrrr. Overall a good first half though. I got a feeling somebody will have a body on Benson the whole second half and the Dukes will play much more intense D as well, but after 20 minutes UD is in a good position to grab a W.

[lilrudy4787]

Build up some muscle first???
You are kidding, right?

nope,

gotta build up some lower body strength.

being a point guard and a jump shooter, as soon as his legs go, so does his shot.

[kiefaber455]

That a way to finish a HALF! Pathetic..

Everyone should be used to it by now

[Flyer_Tom]

I give up.

[UDBrian]

12 turnovers. Staten comes out and there was nobody else who could handle the ball. They said staten is very tired already.

JB playing well again, eight points.
PW with 11 I think

[lilrudy4787]

Lots of success down low today. 36-33 Flyers.

if by success down low, you mean benson tipping in a lot of missed 3's and jump shots, yes

if you mean an actual gameplan to get the ball into the post...never going to happen

[jack72]

Shooting 57%, but losing. 12 turnovers and some really bad defense at times.

[Flyer_Tom]

Hey the reports are the Pacers fired JOB today...anyone up for giving him a call?

[kiefaber455]

Shooting 57%, but losing. 12 turnovers and some really bad defense at times.

Let me guess, they haven't tried playing a zone

[Sid Louick]

Gametracker appears to be up -- at least they have halftime stats.

[jcubspoe]

No zone.

[backtolife]

Larry never said who turned it over. Anyone know?

Parker

[MD Flyer Pride]

No zone.

That will be our surprise strategy for the 2nd half. ;):)

[The Gem]

1 st four minutes of second half are always critical. Let's get off to a good start.

[Furio]

39-38 Dukes early 2nd half

[Marysville Flyer]

Looks like we are utterly unprepared for this game.
The Dukes are doing exactly what everyone knows they would: getting one turnover after the next, and we seem not to be prepared to protect the ball.

Please - how stupid is this comment. I'm sure that BG has no clue that TOs are bad. Maybe you should send him a tweet

[MD Flyer Pride]

3 fouls on CJ. Ugh!

[jack72]

CJ and CW playing pathetic.

[jack72]

Sanders a stat stuffer, Searcy a stat duffer.

[The Gem]

Dukes push lead to 7 right away and now have two free throws. So much for a good start.

[jcubspoe]

Dayton down 5.

[lilrudy4787]

Dukes are driving it in the lane, getting it to their big guys and taking us to town

[MD Flyer Pride]

Dukes up 7.

[Falcon7]

nope,

gotta build up some lower body strength.

being a point guard and a jump shooter, as soon as his legs go, so does his shot.

He's 5'10 and can dunk it easy, but yet not strong enough to be a good jump shooter? Get a clue, man!

[jcubspoe]

Staten cuts it to 3.

[FlyerFanatic21]

Dukes up 7 now, not going to get anything out of CJ today. Best bet seems to put them at the line and hope they miss a bunch more. Their transition running seems to be a lot better than our faux transition game.

[jcubspoe]

UD down 6.

[MD Flyer Pride]

Dayton down 3 with 16 to go.

[FlyerFanatic21]

Dukes jump right back out to an 8 point lead off turnovers.

[MD Flyer Pride]

Just like that... we are down 8

[Jets Flyer]

Bucky just said it! "they know our offense too well" they know what we're doing before we do.

where has staten been?

[PepBand Man]

Did I here Dayton in a 3-2 zone!!!!????

[The Gem]

Down 53-44 @ under 14 TO.

[Marysville Flyer]

Sounds like zone was the answer to all our problems

[IAFlyer]

Why aren't we trying to get them to commit some fouls - currently 5 on us and 0 on them..

[backtolife]

CJ and CW playing pathetic.

Hmmm. Larry just said CW's "been a monster!" I guess I'll take their word seeing as they can actually see the game.

[PepBand Man]

Sorry, did I HEAR Bucky say, "Dayton in a 3-2 zone?" Surely not.

[lilrudy4787]

Bucky just said it! "they know our offense too well" they know what we're doing before we do.

where has staten been?

Isnt that the calling card of BG's offense since 2003?

Good news is...BG is really consistent!

[jack72]

We are playing the smallest team all year and we continue to shoot 3's and not pound it inside. I have been a huge BG supporter till this year. The guy just cannot coach on offense.

Getting outrebounded by 5. This team is in disarray and starts with the coaches.

[Viperstick]

Fork please...

[Swampy Meadows]

Who is the genius that wanted UD to play a zone?

[Levelbest]

Ugh. Game just about over.

[FlyerFanatic21]

I've lost count how many times I've heard Larry say "Bad pass" by Dayton. Seems like for how patient we are at times against other teams, against these guys when we need to be we're doing the opposite.

[PepBand Man]

Bad pass by who?

[Falcon7]

Who is making all the bad passes? Larry and Bucky are not saying.

[Buster Goode]

Yikes. I guess the Dukes are for real and we are the distinguished road to sub-.500 in conference

[jack72]

Saunders is the player we thought Chris would be.

[Falcon7]

Fall apart Flyers.

[The Gem]

This one is getting away from us.

[backtolife]

Who is making all the bad passes? Larry and Bucky are not saying.

BG of course. Larry and Bucky are kool-aid drinkers that's why they won't say who.

[Pikaar Modeling Agency]

Has the team stayed in zone during this entire run? Or did they flash the zone and go back to man?

[The Gem]

Sounds like the Flyers left their A game in the locker room at halftime.

[masonflyer]

Who is the genius that wanted UD to play a zone?

Apparently BG since he told them to play it:eek:

[IAFlyer]

Down 14 with 12:36 to go...Another TO and we are losing our composure.

Let's launch more 3s!

[backtolife]

58-44

[jack72]

Sounds like the Flyers left their A game in the locker room at halftime.

"A" game. How many times have we seen that lately?

[Pikaar Modeling Agency]

Is Larry really doing an appearance at the Poelking Bowling alley to give away tickets to the St. Bonaventure game? That says alot....not sure what, but it says alot.

[Ready Action]

I can't wait to hear the spin on this game in the presser. Wonder if we'll hear "Both teams played hard my man."...LOL.

[C-time]

The people at the game who are tweeting have basically said we have thrown in the towel and quit. I guess the only good thing that has happened today was that we aren't having to watch this debacle.

[IAFlyer]

11:56 to play 58-44 Dukes... We got nothing on offense.

[Schraff01]

Big one Wednesday night against St. Bonaventure...a chance to get back to .500 in the league!

[Chris R]

We're down double digits but its more like a 6-8pt game because of the pace, so we're nowhere close to being out of it. Duquesne will keep the pedal to the metal. If we can get a cpl decent defensive stops, there will be plenty of possessions to get back in this.

[Marysville Flyer]

The people at the game who are tweeting have basically said we have thrown in the towel and quit. I guess the only good thing that has happened today was that we aren't having to watch this debacle.

must be true then

[Sid Louick]

Why aren't we trying to get them to commit some fouls - currently 5 on us and 0 on them..

How do you know they aren't?

[Levelbest]

Bucky quote of the year "Dayton's offense isn't very good and the defense isn't much better".

[MD Flyer Pride]

Duquesne 62
Dayton 49

[Ready Action]

The people at the game who are tweeting have basically said we have thrown in the towel and quit. I guess the only good thing that has happened today was that we aren't having to watch this debacle.

They should throw it in and save some of this crap for Wed.

[jack72]

And does BG call any time outs to make any adjustments? Wow he is fading fast.

[PepBand Man]

Just found out that the bad inbound passes were by PW, CW, and DS.

[lilrudy4787]

is there a BG show tomorrow?

I am really tempted to go and ask the questions everyone wants to hear asked for once.

[cralford]

is there a BG show tomorrow?

I am really tempted to go and ask the questions everyone wants to hear asked for once.

I'll take the bait. What is the question?

[Flyer_Tom]

BG has called 2 timeouts...Bucky says we are attacking the basket and not getting any calls. What's new.

[Marysville Flyer]

And does BG call any time outs to make any adjustments? Wow he is fading fast.

What adjustments do you suggest coach? Tried zone and they got easy threes?

[jack72]

is there a BG show tomorrow?

I am really tempted to go and ask the questions everyone wants to hear asked for once.

What is that, "will you resign?"

[backtolife]

And does BG call any time outs to make any adjustments? Wow he is fading fast.

He's called 2 plus 2 media timeouts

[Flyer_Tom]

Gotta love the Duq coach whining about the foul on Staten...it was their 2nd foul of the half.

[Ready Action]

CJ missed foul shot then picks up a tech. Nice...

[jack72]

What adjustments do you suggest coach? Tried zone and they got easy threes?

Are you oblivious to the disgusting predictable offense we play? Throw it aroung the perimeter and shoot 3's or poor jump shots.

[udx2]

What is going on? Wish we could see this.

[MD Flyer Pride]

Dayton 52
Duquesne 62

7 to go.

CJ with 4 fouls on the double technical

[The Gem]

Down 10 with less than 8 minutes. Not an impossible task to come back, but Flyers not showing any signs of life.

[lilrudy4787]

What is that, "will you resign?"

I wish,

my question is , "how do you explain the lack of post play and ability to beat a zone defense for 8 years straight"

[jack72]

I wish,

my question is , "how do you explain the lack of post play and ability to beat a zone defense for 8 years straight"

Amen. Do it.

[Buster Goode]

I would have really liked to see what happened with that CJ last foul/technical

[Pikaar Modeling Agency]

Johnny vegas!

[dnutz77]

What adjustments do you suggest coach? Tried zone and they got easy threes?

There's a difference between 'playing' zone and 'committing to playing' zone. UD 'played' zone versus Richmond. UD also 'played' a little full court trap against Richmond.....for a few possessions. But they never 'committed' to either because BG isn't comfortable with it. If an opponent scores one or two easy buckets, coaches usually go back to what they are comfortable with.

As an assistant, I've been there/done that. I used to plead with our head coach to stay committed to switching defenses throughout the game, but often times head coaches go back to what they are comfortable with. It takes a lot more than to just 'play a zone' here or there to truly be committed to playing it well. I'm sure Xavier worked their tails off all week and committed to playing a zone against Richmond, whereas UD probably works on a little zone each day in practice and simply tried to use it against Duq to see what happens.

Huge difference.

[Flyer_Tom]

To be clear it is not why we are going to lose BUT it sure seems all the coaches in the A-10 chipped in on a gift for the refs but BG passed doesn't it? I mean holy crap, I know we are not the most agreesive team in the league but game after game the first 10 fouls in a half go 7 or 8 on us and then the refs have to react and call make up calls on the other team to keep it from looking bad. It's nuts I do not understand it. It happens at home and on the road.

[cralford]

I wish,

my question is , "how do you explain the lack of post play and ability to beat a zone defense for 8 years straight"

I am thinking I would ask "where is the defense?" We could always count on the defense.

[MD Flyer Pride]

Down 15 with 6 to go.

[The Gem]

Down 10 with less than 8 minutes. Not an impossible task to come back, but Flyers not showing any signs of life.


Never mind.

[Buster Goode]

man, have we ever lost this bad at Duquesne?

[PepBand Man]

News on the double technical - Dukes man hit Johnson after the play and CJ pushed back.

[Flyer_Tom]

I guess the real problem this year is we have a coach who hangs his hat on his team playing lockdown defense and we just do not have the players to do that anymore. It is still his fault as he brought in these guys but more and more it seems the defense is what is killing us.

[Falcon7]

Dukes up 20!
Just think if they could shoot FT's 9 for 20.

[Flyer_Tom]

Season over...when BG goes will Staten transfer?

[Ready Action]

man, have we ever lost this bad at Duquesne?

This is expected when you have a team which is not any good playing one of the top teams in the league. This shows how far UD is from winning the league anytime soon.

[Falcon7]

3 best defenders last year, were?

[PepBand Man]

WOW down by 20!! 76-56 Less than five to go. What's that sound I hear?

[Flyer_Tom]

2018
2018
2018

We are not the Bengals...if he stinks up the joint he will get terminated.

[cralford]

3 best defenders last year, were?

seniors

[backtolife]

I am thinking I would ask "where is the defense?" We could always count on the defense.

Exactly, this game, especially the second half, has been about bad defense and bad rebounding. They have killed us on the offensive glass, especially in the first half.

[Flyer_Tom]

3 best defenders last year, were?

Marcus, London and Kurt.

[jack72]

When your leader[s) lose their leadership skills, it does not matter who you have on the floor. We know BG cannot coach on offense, but I really question whether he has the leadership skills to pull us out of this. He's looking like the BP Chairman after the spill.

[masonflyer]

Season over...when BG goes will Staten transfer?

Vicey vercey would be more likely.

[Schraff01]

Season over...when BG goes will Staten transfer?

Where is BG going?

[Ready Action]

Season over...when BG goes will Staten transfer?

Be careful some people may jump all over you for bring up the "T" word, but IMO I would not blame anyone for leaving. Imagine if JS played with true basketball players in a system with some vision.

[FlyerFanatic08]

CBI should be fun this year

[IAFlyer]

How do you know they aren't?

Because we're launching 3s.

[SHQCKEY]

Season over...when BG goes will Staten transfer?

If anything Staten would transfer before BG ever gets fired. Question is: would that be enough to get BG on the hot seat for real?

[Viperstick]

Wow, I really didn't think it would be this ugly. Glad this dreck wasn't on the tube.

[PepBand Man]

Dukes - 76 Flyers - 59 3:33 to go. Dare I say that there is still hope?

[Marysville Flyer]

Are you oblivious to the disgusting predictable offense we play? Throw it aroung the perimeter and shoot 3's or poor jump shots.

No but what skill set to we possess to change things? We are not X, or Zaga. Most nights we have at most 1 guy, and typically no-one that can take his guy off the dribble. We don't have solid ball handlers outside of JS quite honestly. That right there limits the options.

Most of the bigs are not strong with the ball and don't have good hands, nor do they typically get good position so throwing it into the paint really isn't an option.

Face the facts - the skill level on the team is not what many think.

Personally, I'd start using BS and DO much more or next year could be a lot uglier than this year has been at times. It has to be hard for RH to understand why he isn't playing with the lack of defensive effort that has been shown accross the board today.

[tirebiter]

Finally got some stats - what's the deal with Searcy only playing 7 minutes and Kav zero? Big men flu?

[SHQCKEY]

Dukes - 76 Flyers - 59 3:33 to go. Dare I say that there is still hope?

HA, uhh no

[FlyerFanatic08]

did i hear a walk on is in?

[PepBand Man]

Ralph Hill and Brandon??? are playing now. Are we desperate yet?

[Viperstick]

Sounds like BG is throwing in the towel...Ralph Hill & walk on Vondahar are in.

[Flyer_Tom]

BG will take a mid level Big 10 or Big East job JS will transfer we will lose several recruits and we will be dreadful for 3 years. I guess this is what people on here want. To be honest I am torn. What promises are there the new coach wil be better? Let me throw this question out

Would you rather have a good recruiter or a good coach?

[Buster Goode]

holy cow our lineup: Oliver, Searcy, Spearman, Vonderhaar, Hill.

[SHQCKEY]

Finally got some stats - what's the deal with Searcy only playing 7 minutes and Kav zero? Big men flu?

I'm going to assume matchup problems. Poor Kav would die running up and down in a game at this pace.

[C-time]

BG will take a mid level Big 10 or Big East job JS will transfer we will lose several recruits and we will be dreadful for 3 years. I guess this is what people on here want. To be honest I am torn. What promises are there the new coach wil be better? Let me throw this question out

Would you rather have a good recruiter or a good coach?


Coach with assistants who can recruit.

[PepBand Man]

78-59 2:54 left.

[backtolife]

Finally got some stats - what's the deal with Searcy only playing 7 minutes and Kav zero? Big men flu?

Not sure...Searcy is expected, but Kav's doesn't make sense. O minutes?

[jack72]

Is today our lowpoint since JOB left?

[PepBand Man]

Devin Oliver offensive foul 2:12 to go.

[SHQCKEY]

BG will take a mid level Big 10 or Big East job JS will transfer we will lose several recruits and we will be dreadful for 3 years. I guess this is what people on here want. To be honest I am torn. What promises are there the new coach wil be better? Let me throw this question out

Would you rather have a good recruiter or a good coach?

What job would he get offered? His stock is falling fast.

[PepBand Man]

A 5'10' Duke player shot right over DS and made it. WOW!

[jack72]

Bucky... "we have to pick a player of the game, don't know who that would be."
LOL

[cralford]

Finally got some stats - what's the deal with Searcy only playing 7 minutes and Kav zero? Big men flu?

Kav would have fouled out in about 3 minutes with the way they called this game and Searcy is extremely inconsistent.

[Viperstick]

Larry & Bucky having trouble picking a POG--they decided to just blow it off. General suckage too extreme today.

[udx2]

Did not expect this. Bucky and Larry -- I hate to say -- did the right thing by not picking a player of the game.

Wow.

[jack72]

Bucky... "we have to pick a player of the game, don't know who that would be."
LOL


After much discussion... "We will just forego it."

[dnutz77]

Bucky... "we have to pick a player of the game, don't know who that would be."
LOL

"You know what, just forget it!"

They sound dejected!!

[AdamtheFlyer]

The insane contract BG was given is going to kill Dayton basketball. It's time to fire the guy, and he's still under contract for 7 years. He simply cannot be fired without giving the school legal cause.

Time to everyone to see the reality of the situation. Brian Gregory is a terrible coach. The program is a laughing stock to its peers.

[PepBand Man]

Bucky can't even pick a player of the game. SAD!!

[Matchmaker]

BG will take a mid level Big 10 or Big East job JS will transfer...

Would you rather have a good recruiter or a good coach?


Mid level Big 10 or Big East??? Not a chance- whatever buzz might have surrounded him early on is wearing off quickly- How about a good recruiter and a decent coach? They are not mutually exclusive

[backtolife]

Our guards had 11 assists and 12 turnovers.

PW 0 and 3
JS 6 and 5
JP 5 and 4

[Ready Action]

Total beatdown.

[Sid Louick]

Because we're launching 3s.

Larry and Bucky have said numerous times "the Flyers are driving it to the hoop but simply not getting any calls".

[PepBand Man]

82 - 64! Dukes win!!!

[FlyerFanatic08]

what place are we now in, in the A-10 do we get left out at AC?

[Levelbest]

Glad I didn't a) drive to see that game or b) see it on the internet or TV. Ugh.

[Avid Flyer]

Is today our lowpoint since JOB left?

No losing to St. Bonnie at home on Wednesday will be.

[cralford]

I fail to see the game to game improvement they were talking about in todays DDN article. I am glad they are not worried. It shows.

[tirebiter]

Anybody else notice gametracker froze at the 4:47 mark? Probably a mercy-freeze.

[Ready Action]

No losing to St. Bonnie at home on Wednesday will be.

And there are plenty of other chances scheduled after that game so stay tuned.

[jack72]

Either BG cannot recruit or coach. I vote for both today.

[Buster Goode]

I'm sure Kav had to be ill, but didn't hear his name mentioned once...however, I wasn't totally paying attention

[Flyers1010]

Anyone who won't admit we have serious, serious problems is in denial. BG needs to change big time, add some proper assistants, or take his talents elsewhere. A or B probably won't happen because he seems confident in his 'strategy'.

Larry and Bucky just said - No player of the game for Dayton!!!

(By the way, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.)

[backtolife]

what place are we now in, in the A-10 do we get left out at AC?

Still in 8th. 3 way tie I believe, with St. Bonny and LaSalle.

[jcubspoe]

At this point, there's nothing else to say...even I'm at a loss for words. I don't think John R would defend this coach at this point.

[Viperstick]

I really hope the magnitude of this defeat was a result of illness. The lack of hustle described by Larry & Bucky and obvious carelessness (19 TOs?!!!! 2-6 FTs) suggest BG may have lost these guys.

[IAFlyer]

Larry and Bucky have said numerous times "the Flyers are driving it to the hoop but simply not getting any calls".

True, but we were launching 3s with much more frequency in the 2nd half than in the first. Since Gametracker froze, I didn't get the final tally, but we were 4-7 in first half (reasonable number of shots) and had taken 11 in the 2nd half at the time gametracker froze (hitting 2).

[Avid Flyer]

Either BG cannot recruit or coach. I vote for both today.

Will this be a wakeup call for BG (certainly not for the players, other losses didn't do it) or will Napolean continue to not budge from his ego.

Okay if we are stuck with BG then he has to at least realize that he needs help...lots of help. Experienced asst coaches.

[Viperstick]

Agree with Avid. If BG is our man, Wabler needs to tell BG he needs a proven assistant who understands offense.

[Fudd]

This has to be the lowest point for UD basketball since the pre-"Rise of BRob Era". I just have no confidence in our team right now. The expected drop in our defensive ability has not been compensated by an improvement in offensive ability. Both areas have taken a step back, if that is possible.

[The Gem]

We may need tie breaker help to with Bonnies and LaSalle to get a home game in A-10 tourny. Yikes.

[backtolife]

At this point, there's nothing else to say...even I'm at a loss for words.

Don't tease me like that!

Just kidding btw.

[backtolife]

We may need tie breaker help to with Bonnies and LaSalle to get a home game in A-10 tourny. Yikes.

That might be your wake up call. St. Bonny's still recovering from the Baron departarture and JUCO with a mechanic's degree debacle and LaSalle reeling from several rough off seasons.

[UD Sam]

Will this be a wakeup call for BG (certainly not for the players, other losses didn't do it) or will Napolean continue to not budge from his ego.

Okay if we are stuck with BG then he has to at least realize that he needs help...lots of help. Experienced asst coaches.

In BG's post game interview, I didn't get the feeling that he saw the light. :(

A couple of quotes from Bucky at the end of the game, "Offense was stagnant and defense was even worse". He also mentioned that we were outhustled. I put this game on both BG and the players.