_avier Game Thread

[lhsgolf19]

Only 3 words needed for this game:

END THE STREAK!

Go Flyers and Go Archie!

[Levelbest]

Any online streaming for todays game? I'm out of town and my slingbox decided to crap out. Otherwise, I'll be searching for a sports bar that gets CBS Sports here in Phoenix, AZ

[Falcon7]

CBS Sports is an extra fee for TW customers, correct?

[UDBrian]

In another thread someone mentioned that it is $5 but you would get several games in the next month

[UD90]

Leaving for the game now with low expectations and high hopes, but I decided 5 years ago I was going to be there when the streak ended. I wonder if anyone has witnessed live all 26 losses during this miserable streak. 5 times in a row seems like an eternity.

Expect the unexpected with this team.

Go Flyers!

[NCkevi]

I also think that CBS Sports carries the quarter and semi finals of the A10 tournament, so well worth the price (and they usually pro-rate the cost as well so if you cancel after the A10 touney it will be even less)

[Fudd]

If we win this game, it will be 3 wins in the last 3 games for the Flyers against Gangsta U.

[ud86]

For online streaming of tonight's UD vs. X game, try http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4f2d54934bb3b

Go Flyers!

[Flyer 86]

let's do THIS. HAVing my homemade Seafood Risotta then it's GAME TIME!!

Josh Parker, Kavs and Dillard save the day!

[Viperstick]

Just started self medicating. Hoping to relive my childhood and witness a win over X in Cincinnati.

[Viperstick]

LaSalle & UMass tied with 1:08 to go. Please someone just win that game so we don't get hosed on the TV coverage.

[rmdflyers]

Listening to the pregame on WHIO...Frease not starting tonight. Very interesting, sign of respect for Kav??

[Viperstick]

Listening to the pregame on WHIO...Frease not starting tonight. Very interesting, big sign of respect for Kav.

?????

[udx2]

Kevin getting some love from the LaSalle -- UMass announcers on CBS Sports. He will be critical. Hope he is on like the x game at UD, and Chris carries over his performance from the last game.

[rmdflyers]

Yeah, I am not sure what to think...

[Viperstick]

Really CBS Sports? I bet we only hear about the 30+ year streak about 69 more times in the next two hours.

[Viperstick]

Great. Steve Wolf. My all time least favorite announcer.

Who are the dooshs who dress up like papal mafiosos?

[jack72]

Every year the friggin announcers keep talking about the last time in Cinti. And of course they will barely mention, if at all the last game, or that we won two straight.

[udx2]

Kav starts it off with 2.

[steve]

How the he'll did they not call a push off on x

[Viperstick]

Time to switch from beer to Jack. Way to dig a hole guys.

[TommyGola]

Paul Williams needs to sit. His head is not in this huge game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jack72]

Paul Williams needs to sit. His head is not in this huge game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His head is not in any game

[DetroitFlyer]

Wow, ugly start. Xavier fired up, Flyers flat....

[Canonball]

Inspiring ball from our seniors. Argh

[FlyerFanatic08]

Paul Williams needs to sit. His head is not in this huge game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he checked out weeks ago...the shooting skid hasnt helped that at all

[jack72]

Our offense is offensive right now

[jack72]

We are the worst at stopping layups and giving up three point plays.

[jack72]

Great play an dribble to the basket by CJ

[Flyer 86]

Gavs our secret weapon.

X with 3-2 zone on at least one possession there. Smart if they keep that up

[DetroitFlyer]

Looking better. Down 2, 16-14.

[TommyGola]

We can't let these guys dribble through the paint without some kind of defensive effort. They are feasting on us with dribble penetration.

[Swampy Meadows]

Talk about a streaky offense, UD scoring in spurts
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[Flyer 86]

we can have our way inside on offense with them.

gotta keep Tu and Lyons out of the middle

[DetroitFlyer]

Seems like Xavier is getting every offensive rebound....

[TommyGola]

These announcers are nothing more than story-tellers. They give you no information at all.

[Buster]

Why is Kav still on bench?

[FlyerGuyer]

Alex is playing with authority. Flyers bricking wide-open threes...

[FlyerGuyer]

Sit down Chris Mack!

[jack72]

idiot announcer Wolf saying nothing happened,when KD was tripped

[udx2]

UD in the lead.

[FlyerGuyer]

KD makes four straight free throws. Silk.

[FlyerGuyer]

Kavs takes the charge. Nice.

[jack72]

Yes, the gangsta gets a T

[Flyer 86]

Win or lose... I LOVE THIS Team!

great energy. great ball mmovement

[rscale31]

Lyon's T'ed up now.
Xavier fans booing is music to my ears.

[udx2]

Another technical on x. Give us more chances.

[Viperstick]

Nice that Lyons has reverted to his old ways.

[rasta man]

i love 2 T's on X, get into their head guys!!

[FlyerGuyer]

The Thugsketeers are losing their poise again.

[Flyer 86]

idiot announcer Wolf saying nothing happened,when KD was tripped

i think announcer also said Staten was here last year with Marcus Johnson $#$%$@! ????

[udx2]

i think announcer also said Staten was here last year with Marcus Johnson $#$%$@! ????

There is a reason why they are not on ESPN.

[Flyer 86]

love that we have Gavrilovic for three more years.

Can you say Stud? He will be by next year for sure.
solid fundamentals this kid. Love it

[FlyerFanatic08]

two techs in 30 sec, haha

[jack72]

9 free throws have got us ahead

[FlyerFanatic08]

love that we have Gavrilovic for three more years.

Can you say Stud? He will be by next year for sure.
solid fundamentals this kid. Love it

yep, add some weight/strength, i expect him to only get better

[TommyGola]

Has anyone noticed that Luke has gotten into this habit of IMMEDIATELY passing the ball when he gets it...and it's normally to the next guy in the horn. Opponents are reading that. Watch him and you all will notice.

[jack72]

Last 11 points on FT

[Viperstick]

Someone needs to pass Alex's parents the links to online streams. Sounds like they're only listening.

[steve]

Get the freaking ball inside flyers..

[FlyerFanatic08]

PW needs to stop shooting. plain and simple

[steve]

Williams is just garbage. Plays like a HS kid.

[Flyer 86]

sorry Paul williams equals waste. used to like him.

man . very sad

[Viperstick]

Really Flyers? How about not turning the ball over.

[steve]

Parker is a joke at the point. It's truly unbelievable every time he plays there he's a turnover machine. There are HS kids better.

[DetroitFlyer]

Lost our focus.

[jack72]

PW is 0-5 and 2 TO

[TommyGola]

Josh Parker and Kevin Dillard to to be more aware of the back court pressure.

[DetroitFlyer]

12-0 Xaviet run.

[jack72]

Keep shooting Paul you made one LOL

[steve]

Fast pace game will kill Dayton with short bench and foul trouble.

[steve]

I luv that PW.....lol

[Flyer 86]

Fast pace game will kill Dayton with short bench and foul trouble.

need to go moderate break, half court offense and get Alex, Kavs and CJ the ball

[jack72]

Getting outrebounded by 3 and 10 turnovers, not good

[steve]

24 points in paint for x. Amazing.

[steve]

Agree 86

[steve]

That Williams kid we have is quite the player.....

[jack72]

Only shooting 32%, 10 turnovers and getting outrebounded and beating X!!! Priceless

[DetroitFlyer]

37-32 good guys at the half.

[udx2]

UD up 37 - 32 at the half. Will be an interesting second half.

[jack72]

Any word on Fab's injury? We need him just for depth

[rasta man]

amazing we are up with getting killed in the paint

[FlyerGuyer]

What happened to Frease?!?

Barely played in the first half; zero points, zero rebounds, one turnover, two personal fouls.

I love it. :D

[Viperstick]

Proud of the guys. Tough environment, X is amped and came to play. Yet we're up 5 at half. PW shrugged off his funk after starting poorly. Just gotta play within themselves, show poise during the inevitable X runs, and protect the ball. X has cranium problems & we have an opportunity. Let's win this!!!!!!

[JimBo]

The biggest thing I see with this Flyer team is that they keep their poise. Their emotions are always in check, while xavier is one big emotional tool bag. And I emphasize the word "tool."

Lyons is just killing their team. He is just one selfish punk.

I wasn't feeling too much confidence on winning this game, but the first half has really fired me up. No reason why we can't win this because we're the better team.

[Canonball]

Xaviers jaws handed UD momentum.

The guys have to come out with edge, play tough D, and clean up the glass. I don't know who's going to hit shots for us because so far it's been brutal to watch. Oliver is playing well the Flyers will need everything they can get from he and Gavs. Paul has got to keep them somewhat honest so that the ball can be entered to Kavs from the wing. That is UD's best offense right now.

[jack72]

PW just 2-8 but leading scorer with 9

Dillard is only 1-6

[46 Chambers Alumni]

need a big second half from CJ, take care of the ball, not rush their threes, and win this thing

[Sea Bass]

Flyers fought hard. The key will be defend, rebound and protect the ball. IMO they will make enough shots.

Alex G player a good half. XU came out fired up but they took the shot and got up and battled

[DGO67]

Xaviers jaws handed UD momentum.

The guys have to come out with edge, play tough D, and clean up the glass. I don't know who's going to hit shots for us because so far it's been brutal to watch. Oliver is playing well the Flyers will need everything they can get from he and Gavs. Paul has got to keep them somewhat honest so that the ball can be entered to Kavs from the wing. That is UD's best offense right now.

Hit shots and all is well...guaranteed!!!

[jack72]

Luke playing

[jack72]

Oh oh 3 fouls on their star Frease and they are leaving him in

[FlyerFanatic08]

need to survive this run...keep it within striking distance

[DetroitFlyer]

So.... Xavier comes out smoking hot and we look lost. Where is our intensity?

[Flyer 86]

great great game so far. Loving it.

Let's settle down

[Fair34]

Oh oh 3 fouls on their star Frease and they are leaving him in

Their star?:eek:

[jack72]

I would rather CJ take that shot covered than DO wide open

[DetroitFlyer]

Why do we look dazed and confused?

[steve]

Just impossible to watch this high schoolish ball by UD sometimes. It's like they've never played before in so many stretches.

[Canonball]

One of these games I'm going to track how many fouls our bigs pick up because our guards can't keep anybody in front of them.

[steve]

MK should never ever ever touch it with back to basket unless right under hoop.

[Sea Bass]

Defense non existant

[Canonball]

MK should never ever ever touch it with back to basket unless right under hoop.

Gotta know the double is coming, be ready, keep the ball high, do not dribble.

[TommyGola]

One thing about this team - they scrap and fight.

[steve]

Gotta know the double is coming, be ready, keep the ball high, do not dribble.

The don't dribble is key.

[steve]

Incredible the fouls.

[steve]

Where is Ralph Hill???

[NCkevi]

How many rebounds have we given up off of missed free throws in A10 play???

[steve]

They're going to commit 20 fouls just this half.

[jack72]

Who is that 22 on Dayton

[FlyerGuyer]

I don't know...I think some of these "fouls" are make up calls from the first half...

[FlyerGuyer]

Come on refs...let them play now...

[steve]

I don't know...I think some of these "fouls" are make up calls from the first half...

Definitely some fantom fouls.

[Canonball]

Well that's one way to stop the ball, just tackle him.

[TA111]

Officials keeping x in it.

[jack72]

2nd game in a row Kevin has done that crap

[steve]

Get CJ in the flow NOW!!!!!!!!

[FlyerGuyer]

"Dayton is not in the bonus yet. Xavier is already in the double bonus."

[DetroitFlyer]

Not looking good. Starting to feel like Xavier wants this one more.

[steve]

Wearing down badly. No touches inside, no movement except for KD going to the hoop.

[jack72]

We now have 22 fouls to their 17

[Canonball]

Must find a way to manufacture some o.

[Buick-Flyer]

It feels like we carried over fouls from the first half and they started over....

[Sea Bass]

awful call on the foul on Dillard

[Sea Bass]

no defense is the problem. Xavier has already scored 30+ in the 2nd half

[steve]

We have not stopped them on one possession in like 10 minutes.

[Canonball]

Got to be kidding me fab.

[steve]

MK better get his ass to both a big man camp this summer and sleep with a parachute tied to his reared.

[steve]

Dunk the GD ball Luke, you big *****.

[dnutz77]

Luke. Oh My.
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[TommyGola]

Paul: You had Chris!!!!!!!!!!

[FlyerGuyer]

PW for three!

[dnutz77]

UD in the flippin bonus yet?
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[Canonball]

Got tomake stops down the stretch, and do not foul tu.

[steve]

Regardless what happens, PW finding his stroke is huge for this team. He just needs to want it each game and realize his career is over in 5-6 games.

[FlyerGuyer]

66-64 Eggs with 4 minutes left. Who's going to step up?

[TA111]

Luke is just a really weak player.

[DetroitFlyer]

Down 2 with 4 minutes to go. Gut check time.

[jack72]

Fab just defies description at times. He has no strength and no court sense. He threw the ball at the backboard he was so scared of getting blocked.

[dnutz77]

Win or lose, these guys are playing their guts out.
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[Flyer 86]

ONe of best games i've seen in awhile . Great intensity.

Lotta big plays.
getting up the floor and moving the ball

GREAT STuff!

[dnutz77]

CJ shows up this game isn't close.
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[FlyerGuyer]

KD forcing his way to line. Nice. Frease fouls out. Na na na...hey hey hey...goodbye...

[steve]

CJ shows up this game isn't close.
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He's having a good 2nd half.

[udx2]

Frease is out and almost looks happy about it.

This game will go down to the final seconds and as much as I want to see a W in Cincy, I will be proud of this team no matter what.

[Canonball]

Our bench needs to wake up and get excited. Dillard just sank two and they give a polite golf clap?!

[dnutz77]

He's having a good 2nd half.

He's not hitting at his usual clip. If he does UD up big. Let's pull this off! CJ!!
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[dnutz77]

Big Ballz today for the entire team.
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[steve]

He's not hitting at his usual clip. If he does UD up big. Let's pull this off! CJ!!
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He's got like 14 this half.

[Canonball]

Mercy!

[Canonball]

Way too go CJ, now sink these

[DetroitFlyer]

Down 1, 29 seconds left....

[jack72]

We go to get back on D and stop penetration of the dribble

[udx2]

29 seconds to go and CJ has 2 fouls shots coming. Down 1. Anyone's heart racing?

[Canonball]

29 seconds to go and CJ has 2 fouls shots coming. Down 1. Anyone's heart racing?

Pounding

[dnutz77]

What's the delay here??
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[DetroitFlyer]

Maybe time for some defense?

[Canonball]

Wow. Hope the guys manage to get this done!

[jack72]

Wow what a game and what a finish

[udx2]

Maybe time for some defense?

Or ask Rita for some help from the Big Guy.

[Canonball]

Could not D that much better.

[dnutz77]

How is that a foul?
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[udx2]

How is that a foul?
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When you play in Cincy.

[jack72]

Put Parker and Fab in

[dnutz77]

I like the attitude in the huddle. WE BELIEVE!
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[Ready Action]

Just win baby!!!!!!

[TA111]

That was no foul, but a good shot.

[DetroitFlyer]

OT? Let's hope so....

[Ready Action]

I thought they would go for the win, but with the foul situation may be a good decision.

[Canonball]

Better question is how was that not a foul!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jack72]

X thought we were going for a 3. Fooled ya!

[dnutz77]

THAT was a foul. Geesh.
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[frisco flyer]

Looks like OT!

[FlyerGuyer]

KD not be outdone by Tu Tu baby...

[TA111]

If the holloway play was a foul so was the play against dillard.

[Canonball]

Merry Christmas x fans

[Ready Action]

"We got some more basketball"

[jack72]

We need to go at Taylor with 4 fouls.

[Canonball]

That ws on Paul.

[Ready Action]

Danger ZONE

[Ready Action]

Fabs X 2 my goodness.

[DetroitFlyer]

Wow is Fab sad ....

[steve]

Luke is a JOKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Canonball]

Cheese and rice fab

[dnutz77]

Hahahahahaha LUKE.
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[Sea Bass]

how many point blank layups can Luke miss?

[dnutz77]

Fab is scared to death.
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[jack72]

Fab is the worst layup guy since Kurt

[Sea Bass]

wish dillard would have chucked a three at the end of regulation

[steve]

Except there for the 3......lol

[FlyerGuyer]

Luke can't make a layup but he easily drains the trey...ha

[Sea Bass]

BTW that reverse spin trey by Holloway was unreal. Good D and nothing to show for it

[steve]

Fab is the worst layup guy since Kurt

Or since kavs as he misses a bunch too.

[steve]

Don't letbthem inbound the ball. Foul

[dnutz77]

Or since kavs as he misses a bunch too.

Not like Luke or Huelsy.
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[steve]

Announcer calls tu tu's old man OG.....lol

[Sea Bass]

why do you not double team Holloway?

[Ready Action]

Fabs will send it to the second OT.

[dnutz77]

X should foul.
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[steve]

why do you not double team Holloway?

Why let them inbound the ball????

[dnutz77]

FML
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[Ready Action]

NAPA play of the game will be ESPN's #7 Top 10 Play...Nice.

[Sea Bass]

Like to get them again. They need to get rid of Wolf

[jack72]

Good look for Dillard. Just did not go.

[TA111]

Wow. They gave Dillard a great look.

[DetroitFlyer]

Shoulda, coulda, woulda.... Simply did not make enough plays to win.

[FlyerGuyer]

Freakin' Jimmy Carter.

[Buick-Flyer]

X won't have the best player on the court next year

[udx2]

May see them again this year. So close.

[TA111]

Boy I hope we see them in Atlantic city.

[dnutz77]

Too many dumbass TO's. Good effort but not enough. Again X hits shots out of their azz.
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[Buster Goode]

We beat them in AC if we see them again. Luke needs to sack up

[Sea Bass]

too much dribble penetration in the 2nd half. XU was pretty much all layups and free throws

[Fudd]

A sweep would have been nice, especially this year. Not to be.

[Canonball]

Fought like hell with guys struggling to make bunnies, while there guys are making turn around threes.

Can't blame the refs, but they should've made an equivalent call for Dillard at the end of regulation. Otherwise UDs failure to get ball pressure and stop penetration cost yet again. None of our bigs can step up and dunk the ball.

[ruechalgrin]

UD missed too many chances so not refs fault we lost, but if Tu got fouled with 8 seconds, Dillard definitely was fouled with 1 second. I don't understand those calls ...

[Fudd]

I really think that our bigs are much better than the X bigs. I'm not saying that our bigs are all that great, but X is very bad outside of their guards. Fabs lack of leapers hurts him around the bucket. He is always overcompensating for getting blocked. I think that led to both missed bunnies for him.

[ruechalgrin]

How do we let them inbound to Tu with 14 seconds. Why not 2x team him?!?!

[jack72]

Great game by Kav, Dillard, Paul and CJ. We are just a player short. Oliver gave us very little, ditto Parker. And what ever happened to Hill. Barely played last game.

[NCkevi]

Bad enough losing to x, but we're now tied for 8th with Duquesne, meaning the winner Wed. stays there while the loser drops to 9th - really need to get over this loss quickly and stay in the mix for a home game in the A10 tournament

[longtimefan67]

UD missed too many chances so not refs fault we lost, but if Tu got fouled with 8 seconds, Dillard definitely was fouled with 1 second. I don't understand those calls ...

This was a major homer job by the refs. Sorry, Tu wasn't even touched on his layup by CJ; conversely, KD was hammered and no call. Should have been and 1 and the game for UD right there. Refs had no balls....

[jack72]

This was a major homer job by the refs. Sorry, Tu wasn't even touched on his layup by CJ; conversely, KD was hammered and no call. Should have been and 1 and the game for UD right there. Refs had no balls....

If anyone can get the film on the two shots, please post it.

[steve]

This was a major homer job by the refs. Sorry, Tu wasn't even touched on his layup by CJ; conversely, KD was hammered and no call. Should have been and 1 and the game for UD right there. Refs had no balls....

Tu was bumped by CJ in the act. You have to watch the entire play.

[longtimefan67]

Tu was bumped by CJ in the act. You have to watch the entire play.

Sorry Steve, but nearly every play like that in college BB is contact. If you're going to call that BS at the end of a game, then call it both ways. KD was big time hacked and no call. Just be consistent, agreed?

[Canonball]

Refs swallowed their whistles on the last play, but I wouldnt call it a homer otherwise. Our guards can't keep people in front of them, and then they either play d with their hands our our bigs pick up junk fouls trying to bail them out time after time.

[Fudd]

I also thought that Tu got a foul call on that CJ defensive play that was questionable. If it was a bump, then it was on the floor before the shot the way I remember it. But I guess I'll have to wait for the Youtube version. We didn't get a very good look at Lyons trying to defend the Dillard layup, but from a distance it looked like there was a lot of contact on that one.

[longtimefan67]

If anyone can get the film on the two shots, please post it.

Jack, if i'm not too ****ed off tomorrow i will post both plays together. This will take some considerable editing...just too tired and ****ed to do it now but i did record the game. Take my word for it or just look at the box score; this was a major homer job; 37 foul shots for X, 26 for UD....draw your own conclusions.

[steve]

Sorry Steve, but nearly every play like that in college BB is contact. If you're going to call that BS at the end of a game, then call it both ways. KD was big time hacked and no call. Just be consistent, agreed?

You only had one view of KD' s layup and there was no visible contact from that angle.

[longtimefan67]

Refs swallowed their whistles on the last play, but I wouldnt call it a homer otherwise. Our guards can't keep people in front of them, and then they either play d with their hands our our bigs pick up junk fouls trying to bail them out time after time.

Check the box score please; you can recant later if you don't have "pride".

[longtimefan67]

You only had one view of KD' s layup and there was no visible contact from that angle.

Wrong sir; there are several views available...GDit, don't make me do this now; wife is already ****ed at the loss and ****ed at me for cursing....

[Canonball]

They couldn't keep Lyons or tu in front of them and played with their hands to try and slow them down. I am in fact quite proud of how hard the guys fought, but the refs didn't cost them the game.

[Sticks 'n Stearns]

37 foul shots for X, 26 for UD....draw your own conclusions.

Considering that UD played on the perimeter (31 3-point attempts) and Xavier played in the paint (12 3-point attempts), the foul shots certainly aren't out of line. Sorry, but I'm not blaming the refs for the outcome.

[Chris R]

RANT.

I have no sympathy for this program. None. Nobody deserves this ridiculous streak more than we do because of the continuous un-fundamentally sound basketball we take down there every season.

No defense, fouling guys every trip down the court, giving up treys when we could only afford to give up twos, gag on layups. Its the same schtick every time.

We just play D- defense and we win by 8-10pts. We play C- defense and we win by 15. We dont wet the punchbowl on layups and we win by 5. We dont foul guys for and-1s at the wrong time, we win by 2-3.

We could have walked the dog in this game. If you can't win tonight, you simply cannot win. Period. Xavier basically ran a layup line all evening and nothing more. All we do is keep them from making 15 layups and cut that to 12-13 and we win.

We spend a timeout telling everyone to deny Tu Holloway the ball on the inbounds, and in 0.5 seconds he gets open for an easy inbounds pass. How in the name of all that his holy does this happen. I cant even reconcile some of these kinds of mistakes in my head. A point here, two points there, a bad foul here, fouling a three point shooter there, missing a layup here, missing one there, turning it over here, another one there, guys not understanding their skill sets and taking shots outside of their skill set, etc.

At the end of the game you look at things and realize you wrapped 20pts in gifts to the opposition.

You lose 27 in a row because of night's like tonight. When Xavier brings their A game, we have nothing better than a B+ game. If Xavier brings their C- game, we bring our D game.

I cant tell you how disappointed I am. Never should have even been close in the last 4 minutes. So many mistakes compounded themselves to put us on a spot we never should have been in.

There are no moral victories. This streak is embarrassing. The guys on the team nor the coaches do not bear the entire burden of it. But it is an inexcusable albatross nonetheless.

Tonight was a microcosm of 31 years. And it may be another 31 years if we continue to go down there and make the same mistakes.

After every bonehead mistakes, I kept telling myself "This is why you lose 27 in a row at Xavier." Some games are closer than others, but the thread in every one of them is we just wet the bed at the wrong times.

We could have easily won 7-10 of those 27. A blind squirrel might have won 3-5 of them. And yet we've lost all 27.

Its ridiculous. Its just so dam ridiculous. People outside the program cant even wrap their head around it because the reality of it is so massively unfathomable.

All Xavier did tonight was make layups. Thats it. When what layups they missed, they got fouled on and got points at the line. The fact that is was so close is just an indication of how poor Xavier's defense was as well and how we made some shots to keep it tight. The techs also helped.

You aren't gonna beat Austin Peay on a night like tonight however if you give up 15 layups.

I counted the 6 layups surrendered in the first 9 offensive possessions of the second half by Dayton. On another, we gave up a trey. Every trip down the court in the first 15 minutes of the second half, XU got points.

You lose 27 in a row because you do things like that.

I'm done. I am so done. Like i said, the current team should not be burdened with the last 31 years. Theyve had a lot of help. There is so much culpability to go around. The faces change but the play largely remains the same.

Not only should we have won tonight by 8-10pts, we should have won a half dozen other ones down there over the last 15-20 years.

This Xavier team is very mediocre. They didnt much of anything tonight. At times they tried to hand the game right back to us.

About the only comparison to our defense I can make that adequately describes its impossibly non-existent resistance is the Washington Generals guarding the Harlem Globetrotters. But even at that, I buy my ticket knowing the ridiculousness is scripted.

I got nuthin' left. Nuthin. Im tapped out. Please continue the discussion without me.

[longtimefan67]

If anyone can get the film on the two shots, please post it.

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQLZcAz41lo

[Fudd]

I think the only thing that disappoints me at this point under Archie is the non development of our defense so far. I was not too disappointed in our play tonight. I am definitely nowhere near as agitated as Chris over this. At no point did I ever feel this was our game. It felt like it could end up falling either way right until the end. That's a world away from where we used to be down there. I think we would have won that game on a neutral court. Both teams are flawed. X is terrible on the interior and with their foul shooting. Dayton lacks athleticism with their bigs and good perimeter defenders, IMO. We would be a heck of a lot better if we had some bigs capable of blocking shots. We need some erasers inside the way our guards get beat off the dribble.

[Canonball]

We need some erasers inside the way our guards get beat off the dribble.

Truth.

[dnutz77]

Mark my words: Archie will end the streak in the next two years. No doubt.
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[jack72]

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQLZcAz41lo

Wow if one is a foul the other, Dillard, is a foul.

[Canonball]

Mark my words: Archie will end the streak in the next two years. No doubt.
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I'm a believer.

[ud2]

My thoughts:
--extremely entertaining game, only other recent OT game vs. X in Cincinnati was the last game at the Cincinnati Gardens in 2000 under OP.

--offense: They got 11 points from Kavanaugh and 6 from Gavrilovic, that's not bad, but Kavs just seems a step slow sometimes.

Not enough dribble drive penetration by UD. Too much reliance on the outside shot. The offense is too predictable, Johnson, Parker, and Williams have to drive more. UD settled for too many tough outside shots. I'm not sure if the reliance on the outside shot is by design or is because of the lack of ability of the players to penetrate more. If Archie can get some players who are able to penetrate and also hit the outside shot, then I think that would be a major improvement. More dribble drive penetration helps get the other team in foul trouble quicker.

Also, too many turnovers, had the ball stolen by X too many times, too many bad passes, etc.

--defense: had a very hard time stopping Holloway and Lyons from penetrating. Did a good job on Frease though.

Overall, I thought UD gave themselves a good chance to get the win. Fabrizius missing the layup in OT was a critical mistake, I think he missed around 2 of those close-in type layup shots. I'd like to see him dunk those if he can. Kavs getting blocked in OT was also a big play, I'd like to see Kavs be quicker in the post to prevent the help defense from shifting over onto him.

I just felt more confident at this year's game with Archie at the helm. I thought Archie put the team in position to be able to win the game, UD just came up a little short. I do think Archie will end the streak relatively soon, within the next few years. I feel more confident in Archie being able to end the streak than I did with BG coaching, I just feel like Archie is not as predictable.

[ud2]

Jack, if i'm not too ****ed off tomorrow i will post both plays together. This will take some considerable editing...just too tired and ****ed to do it now but i did record the game. Take my word for it or just look at the box score; this was a major homer job; 37 foul shots for X, 26 for UD....draw your own conclusions.No, sorry, with all due respect, IMO UD did not get homered at all. In fact, I'd say that UD had a very slight advantage with respect to the fouls that were called.

X penetrated more on offense, UD did not penetrate enough on offense. Penetration leads to fouls being called more often on the defense. That was the reason for UD getting called for 5 more fouls than X. UD relied on the outside shot too much. Johnson, Parker, and Williams have to penetrate more.

[NCkevi]

I just felt more confident at this year's game with Archie at the helm. I thought Archie put the team in position to be able to win the game, UD just came up a little short. I do think Archie will end the streak relatively soon, within the next few years. I feel more confident in Archie being able to end the streak than I did with BG coaching, I just feel like Archie is not as predictable.

If you look at the last three games at x, there isn't much difference down the stretch - UD was in position to win each of the 3 games

2010: down 3 with 48 seconds left and couldn't get a stop or hit a basket.
2011: had the ball down by 3 with 19 seconds left. PW missed a 3, MK gets the board and misses a layup that would have pulled us within one with 10 seconds left.
2012: Up 1 with 20 seconds left and couldn't get a stop and then down by 2 with 32 sec. left in OT and once again couldn't get it done

If anything, I found this year more frustrating because we weren't playing from behind and had the lead with under a minute but couldn't get a stop

[Fan4allUDSports]

Mark my words: Archie will end the streak in the next two years. No doubt.
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I honestly feel it might be next year. Here's why. Tu and Kenny are gone. Granted we lose CJ, but we do get JB back for his Sr. year. I think Archie will learn from this game and with his guys get it done. I hope(maybe expect) that a 5-10 point victory next year that will end the streak.

[Chris R]

I hope all of you are right, but we have ate that same spread of buffet line food for 31 years and the only ones we can commiserate with are one another. Just telling ourselves its going to change soon doesn't make it so.

I look back on tonight's game and the more I think about it, the more aggravated I become. Guys definitely made some plays at the end. CJ with a huge three. Paul hit a huge three. Kevin made a pair at the line, and then had that big driving layup with 1 second left.

Which makes this loss all the more neurotic when you start tabulating all the nucking futs moments over the first 37 minutes that put us in a position of being 3-4 points down rather than 8-10 points up and simply salting this bad boy away Red Auerbach style. Dayton should have never been in the position to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat late in this game. But the defense was so offensive again. At times, among the worst its been all season.

The fact is this game was lost in the first 8 minutes of the second half. We carried a 5pt halftime lead into the locker room and then left the building for drinks in Newport.

Here is what our defensive intensity looked like coming out for the second half:

19:44 XU missed jumper
19:19 XU GOOD 3pter Lyons
18:44 XU GOOD layup Lyons and fouled (missed FT)
18:18 XU missed jumper (Holloway)
17:43 XU GOOD layup (Walker)
17:15 XU GOOD dunk (Wells)
16:39 XU GOOD layup (Wells)

At this point UD calls a timeout. XU has scored on FIVE of their first SEVEN possessions of the second half. Three of which were layups, one was a layup and a foul where they did not complete the three point play, and one was a made three pointer.

You couldnt script a worse defensive stretch of three and a half minutes if you tried.

15:52 XU GOOD layup (Wells - off of missed Lyons trey)
14:57 XU GOOD 2 FTs (Walker)
14:15 XU GOOD layup (Davis)

At this point, we have given up six layups in 5:45, including 2FTs which is basically like a seventh layup because they are uncontested.

13:45 XU missed jumper (Robinson)
13:09 XU turnover
12:50 XU GOOD 1-2 FTs (Frease)
11:27 XU turnover
10:48 XU GOOD 1-2 FT (Lyons) XU grabs board which leads to...
10:45 XU GOOD 2FT (Frease)
10:07 XU GOOD 2FT (Holloway)
09:33 XU missed layup (Walker)
09:17 XU GOOD 2FT (Holloway)
08:50 XU GOOD jumper (Holloway)
08:05 XU GOOD 3FT (Holloway)

Over the last five minutes, Xavier scored on 7 of 11 possessions, making 10 free throws, one three pointer, and a deuce. Holloway had 9pts in the last 2:02 of that -- 7 of those being FTs.

So over the first 12 minutes of the second half, Xavier scored on 15 of 21 possessions which included six layups or dunks, one trey, and 13 made free throws.

HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

At this point the score is 63-59 Xavier. The score SHOULD be around Dayton 57 Xavier 47 had we just shown even the slightest resistance on defense. We had no business not being firmly in the lead because our offense continued to score -- as it has for most of the season.

Our defense once again completely wet the bed every which way but loose and that's why this game was even close at the end.

We should have been walking the dog with five minutes to go. Instead, in the first 12 minutes we gave up 6 layups and 13 free throws, which is the same as 12.5 layups.

How can you possibly compete at a level we aspire to when you install velvet ropes and red carpet to the rim like that. This is the kind of defense you see when out-manned HS teams get clobbered 59-10 in a first round HS sectional.

The fact that we figure out ways to score and knock down shots is just masking the inexcusable defensive lapses into feeling like they are less damaging than they really are. We scored PLENTY of points tonight to win. We made enough shots, and we sank enough FTs.

What we didnt do was what we haven't done all season -- guard anybody on the other end of the court.

I'm tired of watching everybody completely mail it in (except CJ the last cpl of games) on D. Defense is 50% of basketball. We are a .500 team in the A10 because we play 50% basketball. We are exactly where the numbers should put us. In years past we would play defense and look like lost souls on offense. And we'd finish .500 in the league as well.

I'm not overlooking the depleted roster, new coaches, and obvious defections over the offseason. Archie has his work cut out for him. A lot of this consists of circumstances he did not create; rather, he was handed an unfavorable situation.

We aren't going to ever finish better than .500 in this conference -- nevermind beat Xavier at Xavier -- if we continue to gift-wrap success to the opponent in ways that would make Santa Claus jealous.

At some point the insanity has to end, folks have to buck up, and the results have to be there. Every year we have a new excuse. Injuries, defections, roster turnover, coaching changes, sun spots, the Loch Ness monster.

Ugh. Just ugh. You better hope Obama wins another term or the next time UD travels to Xavier, the XU student section will be erecting a seventh presidential head shot to their mug shot lineup.

[Flyer 86]

I can;t tell anything from that film of Dillard in final seconds. It's too far away and I can't see if defensive player swipes and hits KD.s arms.

Refs aren't going to call that unless it's real clear. On Holloway's drive there were two body bumps and maybe arm contact.... can't really tell either. Either way it was a great shot by Holloway to get it in.

Hats of to EGGS for closing it out. either team had opps to win, and their studs in Wells, Lyons and Holloway came out ahead. Great UD effort.

This is progress , however disappointing. Usually it's a ten or more point loss down there and it was game the entire way!!!!

[Fudd]

The reason I feel we will have a better shot at winning this game in the near future is the weakening of X overall. Also, I'm not sure if our talent will actually significantly improve over the next few years (always seems to be a crap shoot), but Archie had the guys as poised as I have ever seen them at Cintas last night. I thought the team actually looked relaxed and made mostly good decisions in a very hostile environment.

[T-Bone 84]

I was mad & frustrated last night. I'm more analytical now. Chris's "Game Trak" of X's 2nd half possessions pretty much hits it on the head. If we played average D last night, we'd have won by 10. But we didn't, so the streak is at 31 years and counting. But I have hope.

Holloway was by far their best player last night, and was truly the best player on the court last night for either team. He won't be there next year. Frease, for all his issues, was still a big body in the paint. He won't be there next year, either. Granted, we'll lose some experienced wing players & a lot of 3-point shooting ability. And CJ's motor will be sorely missed. BUT...

We'll have Benson back, we'll have 2 freshman studs in Scott & Robinson, & we should see some year-to-year improvement from Kavs & Gavs. With all that, we should be able to dominate them inside offensively, and do a better job of covering for deficiencies in perimeter D. We'll still be thin on the perimeter (Isaiah Cousins, are you listening?), and far less experienced than we are now. But if the new guys can bring better D than what we saw last night, then with the edge we should have in the paint next year, I honestly believe next year is the year we can start bring George Bush posters to the Arena, and they won't have a reason to bring Reagan posters in 2013.

And if not, then I'll just have to go back to UD to get a 2nd undergrad degree, since the last time we beat 'em down there, I was a freshman. :(

2 final ranting points regarding the TV coverage:
-Did you know that UD hasn't beaten Xavier in Cincinnati since 1981, when Steve Wolf was a Sophomore on the Xavier squad? I don't think we heard that NEARLY enough during the broadcast - only @ 40-45 times, by my last count.
-How in the %^$#* can CBS Sports assign an announcer to the game, who has such close ties to one of the 2 schools? Wolf is a known toady for the Musties.

And 1 final comment regarding the stripes. They actually seemed fairly competent & unbiased from my seat @ Chumps in Englewood. And there may have been a discrepancy between what was called and not called @ the end of the game, but I thought it took some stones for them to have the guts to T-up Spalding-Face & Da Brat on their own home court. If we'd had the same kind of officiating we used to see when David Waaaah-est was in uniform, we'd have lost by 20. Can't blame this one on the stripes - we just didn't defend the perimeter well enough.

[88flyer]

Tu was bumped by CJ in the act. You have to watch the entire play.

Actually - Tu bumped CJ and then fell away like he always does. It should have been a no call since Tu initiated the contact with a slight lean in and then fade away. The shot was still amazing, but should have put them up by 1, not 2. That is in part why he shoots so many foul shots. He initiates a little bump and then falls away hoping for a call.

Even so, X probably plays different D if it is a one point, vs. two point game, so you never know what the outcome would be. I would say that Luke's two missed point blank shots and our inability to stop their penetration had more to do with the loss than that last call.

I am very proud of how the Flyers played, but it was just not quite enough to get the W last night.

[UD Sam]

I thought it took some stones for them to have the guts to T-up Spalding-Face & Da Brat on their own home court. If we'd had the same kind of officiating we used to see when David Waaaah-est was in uniform, we'd have lost by 20. Can't blame this one on the stripes - we just didn't defend the perimeter well enough.

Even X fans didn't criticize the "T" calls on their board.

[steve]

Actually - Tu bumped CJ and then fell away like he always does. It should have been a no call since Tu initiated the contact with a slight lean in and then fade away. The shot was still amazing, but should have put them up by 1, not 2. That is in part why he shoots so many foul shots. He initiates a little bump and then falls away hoping for a call.

Even so, X probably plays different D if it is a one point, vs. two point game, so you never know what the outcome would be. I would say that Luke's two missed point blank shots and our inability to stop their penetration had more to do with the loss than that last call.

I am very proud of how the Flyers played, but it was just not quite enough to get the W last night.

I agree. Could have easily been a no call.