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Buckleyma
12-09-2019, 10:03 AM
Looks like Drake (8-2) is playing a 7” foot sophomore center and four guards. Given their record, they know how to win. Drake played Cincinnati and lost by a big margin. Their other loss is to Miami of Florida.
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CT Flyer
12-09-2019, 12:22 PM
Looks like Drake (8-2) is playing a 7” foot sophomore center and four guards. Given their record, they know how to win. Drake played Cincinnati and lost by a big margin. Their other loss is to Miami of Florida.
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It was Miami OH not Miami Fla.

TX Flyer
12-09-2019, 12:24 PM
7 inch 1 foot center? I hope Obi and Chase can put on a dunk clinic

priceg75
12-09-2019, 12:52 PM
Their last 2 games they've squeaked past SEMO and UW-Milwaukee, both consistently in the bottom 50 programs in the country.

In short, I'm not worried about Drake.

udx2
12-09-2019, 01:08 PM
Doubt Duke was worried about SFA either. We have a target on our back.

flyerfanatic86
12-09-2019, 01:15 PM
Their last 2 games they've squeaked past SEMO and UW-Milwaukee, both consistently in the bottom 50 programs in the country.

In short, I'm not worried about Drake.

I worry about everybody. I still have nightmares about Buffalo.

lhsgolf19
12-09-2019, 01:36 PM
Boys are playing great right now and are now in the Top 15 in the polls. Probably our best home OOC opponent comes to town this weekend. The Bulldogs are 8-2 and are playing pretty good ball lately having won 4 in a row.

Game is on Saturday Night at 7 PM and will be shown on Spectrum News 1 and ESPN+.

Starting Lineup:
G 12 Roman Penn 5’11” 180 RS SO Calumet City, IL
G 0 D.J. Wilkins 6’2” 179 SO Merrillville, IN
G 4 Anthony Murphy 6’5” 189 SR Griffith, IN
F 2 Tremell Murphy 6’6” 202 SR Griffith, IN
C 21 Liam Robbins 7’0” 235 SO Davenport, IA

They are a balanced team who doesn't score a lot (70.8 PPG) but has 4 guys who average double figures led by Anthony Murphy (10.9 PPG),

They are very good defensively, they only give up 60 points a night.

Get the Job Done and Move on! Go UD!

The Fly
12-09-2019, 01:36 PM
Agree that Drake is not to be overlooked. I’d love it to be a cakewalk, but they’ll be motivated. One. Game. At. A. Time.

pmcmullen
12-09-2019, 04:08 PM
The truth is, every team we play through the official season is D1, and every D1 team is made up of high school top talent. There's not that big a margin between the players, otherwise March wouldn't be the train wreck it always is.

When you are Top 25, you are a huge game for everyone you play. They will be jacked up and ready to try to be the team that took you out. The only way it's an easy game is if you show up and beat their doors off. Nobody is going to put a "W" in a gift box and deliver it to you.

I worry about every single game, and I hope our players and staff are doing the same.

Kansas City Flyer 99
12-09-2019, 04:18 PM
Coach DeVeris of Drake is very underrated.

He spent many years on the staffs of MVC schools including Crieghton and Indian State during there successful years. It took him a while to get his 1st head coaching job and he by far exceeded expections last year. Drake surprised many last year finishing 2nd in the MVC after being picked 10th. He is good X and O guy who will take advantages of match ups.

The beat some good Power 5 schools last year and will be ready to face Dayton.

Like all the MVC schools they will have some real good players who didn't get looked at by bigger schools.

Dayton needs to not worry about the name on the jersey and just play there own game.

Chris R
12-09-2019, 05:24 PM
When you are nationally ranked, you better take everybody seriously because they are taking you seriously as their Super Bowl game of the season. You will get everybody's best game. Bank on it.

Overlook opponents at your peril. If UD and Drake both play to their potential, we win easily. But that's not how things always turn out. Just focus on the next 40 minutes. Nothing else in the world matters right now.

Jeff
12-09-2019, 09:15 PM
Their last 2 games they've squeaked past SEMO and UW-Milwaukee, both consistently in the bottom 50 programs in the country.

In short, I'm not worried about Drake.

Me neither. Dude pulled in $75M touring this year. He'll get by.

Buckleyma
12-10-2019, 09:14 AM
It was Miami OH not Miami Fla.

CT Flyer: You are correct. My mistake. Drake lost to the Miami RedHawks. That’s Miami of Ohio. I got thrown off as the game was played in Estero Florida. I noticed that the attendance was 563. That is a pitiful attendance.

I see that the Miami RedHawks have played and lost to Wright State not once but twice already this year. The RedHawks will be playing Louisville on 12/18.
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CoffeeCan
12-10-2019, 10:17 AM
If we lose to Drake at home, it will be like losing four game as far as the voters are concerned. We will not be in the top 25 again for a long while.

TommyGola
12-10-2019, 10:38 AM
Don't sell Drake short. They have a nice cadre of wins and a very good, deep lineup.

longtimefan
12-10-2019, 11:24 AM
I realize that comparing scores is meaningless, but Drake lost to Miami who lost to WSU twice. Miami is bad.

T-Bone 84
12-10-2019, 11:31 AM
CT Flyer: You are correct. My mistake. Drake lost to the Miami RedHawks. That’s Miami of Ohio. I got thrown off as the game was played in Estero Florida. I noticed that the attendance was 563...
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In other words, it was just like playing the RedHawks at Millett.
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Swampy Meadows
12-10-2019, 04:11 PM
DrakeNation.com posted a link to this thread on their MB, so it is only fair that we return the favor:

https://www.drakenation.com/138934/Drake-Bulldogs-Dayton-Flyers-Sat-12142019-6-PM-CT

maddog07
12-10-2019, 04:38 PM
Don't sell Drake short. They have a nice cadre of wins and a very good, deep lineup.

They will be really lucky to stay within 20. Not sure they even have a kid who would make our squad. They’ve beaten no one with a pulse and have a strength of schedule of 253, which would be worse save a blistering by Cincinnati , their only road game.
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Lifelong Flyer Fan
12-10-2019, 04:49 PM
Coach DeVeris of Drake is very underrated.

He spent many years on the staffs of MVC schools including Crieghton and Indian State during there successful years. It took him a while to get his 1st head coaching job and he by far exceeded expections last year. Drake surprised many last year finishing 2nd in the MVC after being picked 10th. He is good X and O guy who will take advantages of match ups.

The beat some good Power 5 schools last year and will be ready to face Dayton.

Like all the MVC schools they will have some real good players who didn't get looked at by bigger schools.

Dayton needs to not worry about the name on the jersey and just play there own game.

I looked at their 18-19 schedule. Good record 24-10 though I didn't see any wins v P5. Lost to Iowa St and Colorado (by 29).
https://godrakebulldogs.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=317&path=mbball

priceg75
12-10-2019, 10:07 PM
8-2 against one of the worst schedules in the country.

I'm done seeing boogeymen around every corner. If the line is less than 15, I'd be shocked. If we play 80%, we win by double digits.

cj
12-10-2019, 11:18 PM
https://www.drakenation.com/138934/Drake-Bulldogs-Dayton-Flyers-Sat-12142019-6-PM-CT?PageIndex=1
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m21eagle45
12-11-2019, 08:50 AM
Looks like Tremell Murphy had an MRI and may not play. Hopefully it is not too serious. Need them to keep winning after we knock them off.

66flyer
12-11-2019, 09:50 AM
I had just finished reading comments on drakenation before I saw Swampy's link. Drake fans are not optimistic about the game. They were amazed watching us beat St. Mary's. One fan said they might lose to us by 40. 25 if they play a decent game, lol.
i don't think our guys will overlook any team on the schedule because they know how easily a "lower level" team can come back to beat them. (Just ask Duke!) I know we won't be undefeated this season, but am enjoying the ride so far. I love having 2 games only 3 days apart.

jack72
12-11-2019, 10:36 AM
The tough part is sometimes no matter how hard you try to fight a letdown, it still happens. Grant can lecture against it. Landers, Mikesell and Obi can try to fire them up, but sometimes unconscious letdowns happen. Not sure what the solution is, and no one really knows for sure, but I have personally witnessed it in my sports career several times.

marco red eagle
12-11-2019, 10:39 AM
We are one game away from .. our 3's don't hit and we start to struggle and lose confidence ... my advice for the team ... "stay thirsty my friends."

maddog07
12-11-2019, 05:35 PM
Looks like Tremell Murphy had an MRI and may not play. Hopefully it is not too serious. Need them to keep winning after we knock them off.

BFD, he’s about as important to them as Matos is to us.
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DGO67
12-11-2019, 09:34 PM
Look past Drake at our peril. Not to be an alarmist, but there are lots of SFAs capable of busting someone's bubble. It's happening this year with P5s coming up short against mid-majors or lessor...with alarming regularity!

cj
12-11-2019, 10:40 PM
I had just finished reading comments on drakenation before I saw Swampy's link.

Did you call me swampy? Shame on you.
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m21eagle45
12-12-2019, 02:26 PM
BFD, he’s about as important to them as Matos is to us.
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He is still a starter that averaged 10 and 6 last year while shooting 41% from 3. He is a solid player.

maddog07
12-12-2019, 08:43 PM
He is still a starter that averaged 10 and 6 last year while shooting 41% from 3. He is a solid player.

Well this year he’s terrible. He has more turnovers than field goals! In 3 of his 5 games he made 1 ( uno) basket. He’s shooting 30% free throws. Solid!!!!

Oh, and he took a few games off after lying to police and accidentally shooting someone in the head at a party!!!! Solid!

Actually, I think it would be better for us if he does play .
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Buckleyma
12-12-2019, 10:52 PM
Drake nation says “Dayton is 327th in defense against the three, turn the ball over 14 times but dish out 20 assists. Don’t shoot free throws great but have only gone to the line 132 times versus Drake’s 167.” Are these negative criticism statistics correct?
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steverino015
12-13-2019, 09:23 AM
Drake nation says “Dayton is 327th in defense against the three, turn the ball over 14 times but dish out 20 assists. Don’t shoot free throws great but have only gone to the line 132 times versus Drake’s 167.” Are these negative criticism statistics correct?
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after the top 50 3pt defenses, it all gets kind of bunched together...
for example, our 3pt defense is at 38.7 percent right behind Georgia
Drake is around 240th 3pt defense at 34.3 percent...

we average almost 6 more assists than our opponents
Drake average 1 more assist per game than theirs..

turnovers are a wash, we average 13.6 turnovers per game
Drake averages 13.7 turnovers a game..


my take here, is both teams have good defenses,
but our offense is borderline spectacular.... Drake has not seen
an offense like this one this season, how will they handle it:

our assists per game of 20.3 is FIRST in the nation
our assist/turnover
rate of 1.5 is good for EIGTH best in the nation...

that's the best checking I could do then my eyes got blurry...)

Radar
12-13-2019, 10:00 AM
Maui was the first indication (to me) of the Flyers' commitment to defense. They threw the first punch defensively in all 3 games. I was fortunate to be at the games to witness it. But I did sense something that I waited to get home and watch the replays to verify: starting with Maui (discounting the HBU game which I consider a hangover game), this team has played consistently good defense from the jump and throughout the first half...WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING ON THE UD BENCH HALF OF THE COURT...with AG and the rest of the staff in their ear. In the second half there is a decrease in intensity, usually until the opponent makes a run and/or AG gets in their grill during a timeout. Obviously this can't continue and defense needs to be a 40 min/game habit. We're not going to have 15+ pt leads every games to cushion the blow for bad defense.

Swampy Meadows
12-13-2019, 11:05 AM
Did you call me swampy? Shame on you.
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Down boy. I posted the link to the Drake Nation MB 7 hours before you did.

CT Flyer
12-13-2019, 11:36 AM
Maui was the first indication (to me) of the Flyers' commitment to defense. They threw the first punch defensively in all 3 games. I was fortunate to be at the games to witness it. But I did sense something that I waited to get home and watch the replays to verify: starting with Maui (discounting the HBU game which I consider a hangover game), this team has played consistently good defense from the jump and throughout the first half...WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING ON THE UD BENCH HALF OF THE COURT...with AG and the rest of the staff in their ear. In the second half there is a decrease in intensity, usually until the opponent makes a run and/or AG gets in their grill during a timeout. Obviously this can't continue and defense needs to be a 40 min/game habit. We're not going to have 15+ pt leads every games to cushion the blow for bad defense.

Sometimes the other teams adjust at halftime too and then we need to readjust...happens to the best of them.

frisco flyer
12-13-2019, 05:51 PM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/preview?gameId=401170176

Radar
12-14-2019, 09:36 AM
Sometimes the other teams adjust at halftime too and then we need to readjust...happens to the best of them.

Consistent effort is adjustment proof.

maddog07
12-14-2019, 11:18 AM
Spread is UD -16
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Sea Bass
12-14-2019, 06:35 PM
Missing Chase Johnson

The Fly
12-14-2019, 06:47 PM
Missing Chase Johnson

Larry says he’s out sick and quarantined so rest of team doesn’t get whatever he has.

Jeff
12-14-2019, 06:56 PM
Missing Chase Johnson

Clockwork. Xmas break = team gets sick. Better now than during the league season.

frisco flyer
12-14-2019, 07:04 PM
Here’s hoping the bench gets serious playing time.

Jeff
12-14-2019, 07:22 PM
Nice step out by Crutcher on D
Cohill looks comfortable bringing up the ball

The Fly
12-14-2019, 07:25 PM
Lackluster start. Tossing up a lot of bricks. Let’s get it going!

shwag33
12-14-2019, 07:30 PM
Where's Chase Johnson; don't see him on the bench.

Jeff
12-14-2019, 07:31 PM
Chatman finding his shot

Jeff
12-14-2019, 07:31 PM
Where's Chase Johnson; don't see him on the bench.

Annual xmas break cold going through the team.

T-Bone 84
12-14-2019, 07:33 PM
“Bill” Paxson?
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frisco flyer
12-14-2019, 07:33 PM
The team needs a wake up call.
Looks like we are sleepwalking through this game.

jack72
12-14-2019, 07:34 PM
Stop the early threes and punch the ball inside.
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frisco flyer
12-14-2019, 07:43 PM
Obi hit his right hand on the rim on the blocked shot. I hope he is not hurt.

jack72
12-14-2019, 07:43 PM
Cohill with the ole defense and Obi with a huge eraser.
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T-Bone 84
12-14-2019, 07:48 PM
Ibi!
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udx2
12-14-2019, 07:54 PM
Not a great half but a 12 point lead.

frisco flyer
12-14-2019, 07:54 PM
WTF was that at the end of the half?
Why not at least throw it to Obi and see what he can do?

jack72
12-14-2019, 07:55 PM
Crutcher is in love with keeping the ball outside. Way outside.
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Swampy Meadows
12-14-2019, 07:56 PM
“Bill” Paxson?
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I thought he was great in “Twister”
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shwag33
12-14-2019, 07:57 PM
Well, playing terrible up 12 at the half. If Obi is not in they don't run the offense well. Need to still get it inside when Obi is off the court too.

udx2
12-14-2019, 08:00 PM
Expect to see a better second half. Turnovers were crazy.

frisco flyer
12-14-2019, 08:00 PM
We need to pound the ball inside much more than we did in the first half.
We fell in love with the outside shot, and we didn’t make enough of those.
Their big guy has 3 fouls, we need to go straight at him with Obi.

Bigtimeflyersguy
12-14-2019, 08:19 PM
The sound issues with Spectrum One’s broadcast are nauseating. Pitiful coverage.
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Jeff
12-14-2019, 08:22 PM
Crutcher throws bomb to Obi.....TOUCHDOWN!!!

T-Bone 84
12-14-2019, 08:32 PM
Things seem to be getting a bit chippy.
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shwag33
12-14-2019, 08:34 PM
Officials have been kind to us so far.

Swampy Meadows
12-14-2019, 08:41 PM
Ibi Watson is going to be an absolute weapon in A-10 play

jack72
12-14-2019, 08:42 PM
The Ibi and Obi show is a Grammy winna!
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Jeff
12-14-2019, 08:51 PM
BS call on the tech. Got it for yelling at the Drake player.

jack72
12-14-2019, 08:52 PM
Ibi and Obi with 39 pts on 12-18 shooting.
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udx2
12-14-2019, 08:59 PM
Not great but it didn’t have to be.

jack72
12-14-2019, 09:00 PM
That team was 8-2, we play poorly and win by 31
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udx2
12-14-2019, 09:02 PM
That team was 8-2, we play poorly and win by 31
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That was my key takeaway. Good sign for this team.

steverino015
12-14-2019, 09:03 PM
Ibi freaking Watson....)

frisco flyer
12-14-2019, 09:12 PM
-Defense and rebounding made the difference.
-Good to see Ibi continuing to make himself a major contributor.
-Good to see Jordy on the court. He moved reasonably well, but the rust was visible. Hopefully he’ll keep improving and be ready for major minutes in the A10.
-We were not disciplined in the first half, but we put together a very good second half and blew them out of the building.
-Landers +41...41! Are you kidding me?
-On to the next.

Smitty10
12-14-2019, 09:14 PM
DrakeNation.com posted a link to this thread on their MB, so it is only fair that we return the favor:

https://www.drakenation.com/138934/Drake-Bulldogs-Dayton-Flyers-Sat-12142019-6-PM-CT

comment after 31 point loss from their board: This team was beatable and the Bulldogs were in for quite awhile.

SLUFLYER
12-14-2019, 09:53 PM
comment after 31 point loss from their board: This team was beatable and the Bulldogs were in for quite awhile.

The Flyers looked very beatable tonight......just not by Drake. On to the next one.

Smitty10
12-14-2019, 10:04 PM
The Flyers looked very beatable tonight......just not by Drake. On to the next one.

I have a feeling they looked beatable because they were playing Drake. If they start like that against the team that knocked them out of the NIT, I will then worry.

priceg75
12-14-2019, 10:08 PM
8-2 against one of the worst schedules in the country.

I'm done seeing boogeymen around every corner. If the line is less than 15, I'd be shocked. If we play 80%, we win by double digits.


I told you guys. That was about 80% that I saw tonight, too. We played very well in spurts, but not in others.

FlyerBob
12-14-2019, 10:08 PM
The Flyers looked very beatable tonight......just not by Drake. On to the next one.

My hunch is they could have turned it on anytime they felt threatened. These lackadaisical efforts were never 30 point wins before. This is a very confident team- they know how good they are. It's that depth- we're going to destroy the league. This may be a season for the ages...

TA111
12-14-2019, 10:21 PM
We beat a team by 31 we were favored to beat by 16. I’d say that’s pretty good. Our D was fantastic.

TA111
12-14-2019, 10:22 PM
KenPom sure thought we played pretty good as we improved 4 spots to number 15.

Chris R
12-14-2019, 11:06 PM
comment after 31 point loss from their board: This team was beatable and the Bulldogs were in for quite awhile.

I thought the same thing after the 151-99 loss to Oklahoma. :rolleyes:

T-Bone 84
12-14-2019, 11:15 PM
I thought the same thing after the 151-99 loss to Oklahoma. :rolleyes:

You just gave me PTSD with that remark.
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Smitty10
12-14-2019, 11:32 PM
I thought the same thing after the 151-99 loss to Oklahoma. :rolleyes:

See, I was more reasonable I said "Any time you score 99 points, you should win".

frisco flyer
12-15-2019, 01:19 AM
No. 14 Dayton Ends Drake Men’s Basketball’s Win Streak (https://godrakebulldogs.com/news/2019/12/14/no-14-dayton-ends-drake-mens-basketballs-win-streak.aspx)

frisco flyer
12-15-2019, 04:19 PM
Archdeacon: Watson’s career-high night ignites Flyers (https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/archdeacon-watson-career-high-night-ignites-flyers/XOMdVOsIFAT0hNMS3DYx0M/)

Good article...more insight on how Ibi ended up at Dayton