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Fudd 10-24-2010 03:20 PM

Dayton @ Duquesne Game Thread
 

Fudd 10-25-2010 01:17 AM




http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/sites...uesneDukes.pngOverall Rank: #74


Conference Rank: #7 Atlantic 10 Conference


2009-10: 16-16, 7-9
2009-10 postseason: CBI
Coach: Ron Everhart (64-61 at Duquesne, 238-233 overall)


Final Projection:
The depth in the frontcourt may be an issue if the younger players cannot step up their game. The good news is this team will run more and Saunders is perfectly capable of playing at the five spot without getting into foul trouble. In fact, he averaged an amazing 36.7 minutes per game last year and only tallied 2.5 fouls per contest. Depth is nice, but nobody is going to replace Saunders’ production on the floor.

Projected Post-season Tournament: NIT

Projected Starting Five:
Eric Evans, Junior, Guard, 10.0 ppg
Sean Johnson, Sophomore, Guard, 5.6 ppg
B.J. Monteiro, Junior, Guard, 11.1 ppg
Bill Clark, Senior, Forward, 14.1 ppg
Damian Saunders, Senior, Forward, 15.0 ppg

Fudd 10-25-2010 02:14 AM

From WH:

http://www.basketballforum.com/atlan...real-post.html


DUQUESNE

W - BLUFIELD STATE
W - At Robert Morris
W - At Bowling GreeN
W - MARYLAND BALTIMORE COUNTY
L - Pitt (Console Energy Center)
L - At Penn State
W - At Green Bay Wisconsin
W - WEST VIRGINIA (Console Energy Center)
W - IUPUI
L - GEORGE MASON
W - NORTHWESTERN STATE
W - NORFOLK STATE
W - HOUSTON BAPTIST


NONCONFERENCE RECORD: 10-3.


The key to Duquesne's success this year will depend on the following: shooting better from outside (league worst 26% on treys) and defending better from outside (12th in 3PG FG%); grabbing more rebounds (-3.9 margin); getting more consistent point play; developing a deeper bench; and finding more help inside for Damian Saunders. THe Dukes are small or inexperienced in the frontcourt.

I think the Dukes should be better than last year. Everhart recruited some really good shooters and athletic wing players. They really need 6-10 frosh bigman Derrick Martin to get Clearinghouse approval. I predict a huge year for the unsung swingman B.J. Monteiro. He's like a smaller Saunders. Yet while the team has a nice core of four veterans, it's otherwise young and inexperienced.

The Dukes start off easy with Bluefield State (does this qualify as Div. 1 win?). Robert Morris lost coach Mike Rice and the new guy is young. RMU still has talent, but the Dukes should rout their smaller rival.

Bowling Green is young and coming off a poor season. MAC teams have always proven difficult for the A-10 to beat on the road. I see the Dukes eking this game out but wouldnt be surprised if they lost. The good news is that Ron Everhart almost always overachieves in noncon play and beats the teams he is supposed to beat. Hence a win over UMBC too (the school only won 4 games a year ago).

Then comes a tough stretch. The Dukes had their chance to beat Pitt last year. They won't get much of a chance this season.

Penn State is very beatable and the A-10 has had good success against the Nittany Lions. Tough to win on the road vs. a Big 10 team, though. Green Bay Wisconsin lost its coach after yet another 20-win season, but the team returns its top two guards and they have always given A-10 teams trouble. No gimme, this one. Could easily be the third straight loss.

West Virginia has a star in Kevin Jones and some tough veteran guards, but this Mountaineer team might be the least talented of the short Huggins era. This is my upset special. If the Dukes are going to get a bigname scalp, this is the most likely one.

Problem is, if they win they might let their guard down vs. a good IUPUI team that won 20 games last season, including a 73-64 win over Duquesne in Indy. Trap game. IUPUI has a terrific guard named (Young?) who would be an All-Conference player in the A-10. They won't be scared of the Dukes.

I see the Dukes either losing to IUPUI or Mason at home. Mason is tough and physical, the kind of grind-it-out team that gives Duquesne trouble. Both of these games are winnable, but there is little margin for error. The Dukes have to come to play each game.

The team finishes with what should be three relatively easy wins over lower-level Divsion 1 schools.

BONUS

A-10 PREDICTION: 7-9 (17-12 overall).

The Dukes pair up with Dayton, St. Louis and St. Bonaventure. Last year the team 2-5 against thos three teams, losing twice to Bona and barely beating the Bonnies (70-69) in the other game. I can't see the team doing any better than 3-3 in these games, and more likely 2-4. The Dukes also have to go on the road vs St Joes, UMass, LaSalle, Fordham and Richmond.

Whacker 11-07-2010 08:32 PM


dnutz77 01-30-2011 02:08 PM

bump.

FlyerFanatic21 01-30-2011 02:10 PM

4 turnovers in less than 2 minutes already. 5-4 Dayton though, and PW is down in pain.

frisco flyer 01-30-2011 02:13 PM

Looks like we are utterly unprepared for this game.
The Dukes are doing exactly what everyone knows they would: getting one turnover after the next, and we seem not to be prepared to protect the ball.

tirebiter 01-30-2011 02:14 PM

Please keep up the comments and score updates. I have gametracker only for this one. Bummer. Thanks for any descriptions anybody can provide!

tirebiter 01-30-2011 02:16 PM

And even gametracker is frozen on pregame preview. Arrrrgh.

Furio 01-30-2011 02:16 PM

Dukes 8 UD7

ClaytonFlyerFan 01-30-2011 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tirebiter (Post 206140)
Please keep up the comments and score updates. I have gametracker only for this one. Bummer. Thanks for any descriptions anybody can provide!

Is game tracker even working for you? Mine is not

Sid Louick 01-30-2011 02:16 PM

frisco - how do you prepare to protect the ball?

Furio 01-30-2011 02:18 PM

Dukes 12 UD 10

cralford 01-30-2011 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tirebiter (Post 206141)
And even gametracker is frozen on pregame preview. Arrrrgh.

I would listen to the radio. if you can't pick up 1290 try streaming it at

http://streaming.newstalkradiowhio.c...?callsign=WHIO

you might have to give up gametracker though.

tirebiter 01-30-2011 02:21 PM

All I get is the pregame preview page on gametracker.

Furio 01-30-2011 02:22 PM

Dukes 16 UD 13 13:07 left in first half

jack72 01-30-2011 02:22 PM

More turnovers and poor defense. Everything for them is a layup. And as Bucky said,"CW has a mismatch and we are not getting him the ball." Do we have any coaches at the game?

FlyerFanatic21 01-30-2011 02:23 PM

Cj already out with 2 fouls. At least Benson is playing despite the report of him getting sick. 16-15 Dukes.

Flyer_Tom 01-30-2011 02:23 PM

Have the Dukes committed a foul yet? I am getting sick of every team becoming angels on the floor against this team.

jack72 01-30-2011 02:25 PM

JS is picking up our bad habits. Poor rushed airball and then a charge.

Swampy Meadows 01-30-2011 02:25 PM

16-15 Dukes with 12 to go

The Gem 01-30-2011 02:27 PM

So far UD hanging in there.

jack72 01-30-2011 02:29 PM

JB playing well so far.

frisco flyer 01-30-2011 02:29 PM

UD up 2, 18-16

Flyer_Tom 01-30-2011 02:29 PM

There is a phrase we just do not hear enough of this year "Good defensive stand by the Flyers"...sometimes I miss the Hair and the Stiff.

Furio 01-30-2011 02:30 PM

Flyers 20-16

lilrudy4787 01-30-2011 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyer_Tom (Post 206155)
Have the Dukes committed a foul yet? I am getting sick of every team becoming angels on the floor against this team.

Thats what happens when you dont step inside the three point line.

Swampy Meadows 01-30-2011 02:31 PM

Gotta love the two 24 seciond clock violations so far.

tirebiter 01-30-2011 02:31 PM

No play by play or box score available on aol, or yahoo, or cbs sportsline. Nobody in the building has a laptop?

Anybody here have any line on any box score or play by play?

Swampy Meadows 01-30-2011 02:32 PM

DMO with the D.

udx2 01-30-2011 02:32 PM

Nice sequence, good play by Devin and we have the lead 22 - 16

frisco flyer 01-30-2011 02:32 PM

How about the freshman getting it done on defense

The Gem 01-30-2011 02:32 PM

9-0 run for the Flyers.

rmdflyers 01-30-2011 02:32 PM

Big play, DO. Flyers up 6. TO Dukes.

lhsgolf19 01-30-2011 02:32 PM

Way to go DMO!

jack72 01-30-2011 02:32 PM

Have not listened to the radio in awhile. Is Larry excited or what? Great to hear!!

Furio 01-30-2011 02:33 PM

Flyers 22-16

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 02:33 PM

Sounds like we're playing pretty well so far. I have no boxscore anywhere.

Swampy Meadows 01-30-2011 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tirebiter (Post 206167)
No play by play or box score available on aol, or yahoo, or cbs sportsline. Nobody in the building has a laptop?

Anybody here have any line on any box score or play by play?

Matt Schwade usually Tweets extensively during the game and he hasn't posted a single Tweet.

Might be a connectivity issue.

C-time 01-30-2011 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows (Post 206177)
Matt Schwade usually Tweets extensively during the game and he hasn't posted a single Tweet.

Might be a connectivity issue.

He has been tweeting the entire game.

jack72 01-30-2011 02:36 PM

CW not showing up.... again

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 02:36 PM

Tied up now at 22.

The Gem 01-30-2011 02:37 PM

22-22 at under 8 time out. Flyers shooting very well, but we need to get some points in the paint as I don't think we can keep this hot shooting up the whole game.

Swampy Meadows 01-30-2011 02:38 PM

C-time: I'm not seeing them. He is posting on FH.net tho.

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 02:38 PM

Sounds like we aren't rebounding well

frisco flyer 01-30-2011 02:39 PM

CJ's two fouls are hurting us on the boards.

kiefaber455 01-30-2011 02:39 PM

God wouldn't it be nice not to let them get on a run

rmdflyers 01-30-2011 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows (Post 206182)
C-time: I'm not seeing them. He is posting on FH.net tho.

I can see it Swampy. He has probably had 6-7 tweets in the 1st half so far.

Flyer_Tom 01-30-2011 02:41 PM

Holy crap 2 fouls already on the Dukes...geez.

Swampy Meadows 01-30-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyer_Tom (Post 206155)
Have the Dukes committed a foul yet? I am getting sick of every team becoming angels on the floor against this team.

2 fouls in 13 minutes...what's your point?

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 02:41 PM

Paul Williams with 11 so far in the first half. UD down 28-26

jack72 01-30-2011 02:42 PM

This a team that does not foul, but yet we do not get agressive on offense. The Dukes mostly scoring at will against our D.

kiefaber455 01-30-2011 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack72 (Post 206152)
More turnovers and poor defense. Everything for them is a layup. And as Bucky said,"CW has a mismatch and we are not getting him the ball." Do we have any coaches at the game?

Why should this game be any different than any other game they've played?

Flyer_Tom 01-30-2011 02:43 PM

My point is I get annoyed with our lack of aggression and the lack of respect from the refs.

MD Flyer Pride 01-30-2011 02:43 PM

2 fouls on Clark!

Falcon7 01-30-2011 02:44 PM

Can Staten SHOOT at all? More like LW all the time except his D is fair at best.

39% field, 16% from 3, & 57% FT's

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 02:44 PM

Duq up 33-28.

lilrudy4787 01-30-2011 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 206194)
Can Staten SHOOT at all? More like LW all the time except his D is fair at best.

Ive gotten the feeling that the coaching staff tries and limits his shots. We have seen him hit a couple jumpers here and there.

I dont think he has the range for three's yet. needs to build up some muscle first.

The Gem 01-30-2011 02:46 PM

Besnon having a solid 1st half.

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 02:46 PM

Benson with 6 pts so far. Playing well as of late

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 02:47 PM

Until that turnover...lol.

MD Flyer Pride 01-30-2011 02:48 PM

Down 33-32 with 2 left

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 02:48 PM

Man, Benson with 8 points now!! And grabbing offensive boards.

Furio 01-30-2011 02:48 PM

Flyers 34-33 Benson on fire

FlyerFanatic21 01-30-2011 02:49 PM

Lots of success down low today. 36-33 Flyers.

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 02:49 PM

36-33 UD up. Duq going to the FT line.

jack72 01-30-2011 02:50 PM

Now we're playing!!

Swampy Meadows 01-30-2011 02:50 PM

"Tapped in by Benson!"

Larry can't say that often enuf.

Falcon7 01-30-2011 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilrudy4787 (Post 206196)
Ive gotten the feeling that the coaching staff tries and limits his shots. We have seen him hit a couple jumpers here and there.

I dont think he has the range for three's yet. needs to build up some muscle first.

Build up some muscle first???
You are kidding, right?

dnutz77 01-30-2011 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic21 (Post 206203)
Lots of success down low today. 36-33 Flyers.

Amazing how much better everything flows when you don't settle for threes...kind of helps on the offensive AND defensive side of the floor....

Turnovers and not playing smart are still hurting UD, though. Need to clean that up if they want to win on the road.

jack72 01-30-2011 02:52 PM

3 Duke rebounds on their missed free throws.

jack72 01-30-2011 02:52 PM

JS having a tough half

FlyerFanatic21 01-30-2011 02:52 PM

Wow, end of half woes continue. Back to back turnovers in the last 15seconds and we get lucky the last layup was put up too late. 39-36 Dukes at the half.

Falcon7 01-30-2011 02:53 PM

That a way to finish a HALF! Pathetic..

MD Flyer Pride 01-30-2011 02:53 PM

Dayton 36
Duquesne 39

at Half

UACFlyer 01-30-2011 02:54 PM

Please...
 
...mention the score and time a bit more frequently.....appear to be having some computer problems.

Thanks.

jack72 01-30-2011 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic21 (Post 206211)
Wow, end of half woes continue. Back to back turnovers in the last 15seconds and we get lucky the last layup was put up too late. 39-36 Dukes at the half.

Larry never said who turned it over. Anyone know?

The Gem 01-30-2011 02:54 PM

sloppy play costs the chance to get the lead at half. Grrrr. Overall a good first half though. I got a feeling somebody will have a body on Benson the whole second half and the Dukes will play much more intense D as well, but after 20 minutes UD is in a good position to grab a W.

lilrudy4787 01-30-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 206207)
Build up some muscle first???
You are kidding, right?

nope,

gotta build up some lower body strength.

being a point guard and a jump shooter, as soon as his legs go, so does his shot.

kiefaber455 01-30-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 206212)
That a way to finish a HALF! Pathetic..

Everyone should be used to it by now

Flyer_Tom 01-30-2011 02:56 PM

I give up.

UDBrian 01-30-2011 02:56 PM

12 turnovers. Staten comes out and there was nobody else who could handle the ball. They said staten is very tired already.

JB playing well again, eight points.
PW with 11 I think

lilrudy4787 01-30-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic21 (Post 206203)
Lots of success down low today. 36-33 Flyers.

if by success down low, you mean benson tipping in a lot of missed 3's and jump shots, yes

if you mean an actual gameplan to get the ball into the post...never going to happen

jack72 01-30-2011 02:56 PM

Shooting 57%, but losing. 12 turnovers and some really bad defense at times.

Flyer_Tom 01-30-2011 02:58 PM

Hey the reports are the Pacers fired JOB today...anyone up for giving him a call?

kiefaber455 01-30-2011 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack72 (Post 206223)
Shooting 57%, but losing. 12 turnovers and some really bad defense at times.

Let me guess, they haven't tried playing a zone

Sid Louick 01-30-2011 03:00 PM

Gametracker appears to be up -- at least they have halftime stats.

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 03:01 PM

No zone.

backtolife 01-30-2011 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack72 (Post 206216)
Larry never said who turned it over. Anyone know?

Parker

MD Flyer Pride 01-30-2011 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcubspoe (Post 206229)
No zone.

That will be our surprise strategy for the 2nd half. ;):)

The Gem 01-30-2011 03:08 PM

1 st four minutes of second half are always critical. Let's get off to a good start.

Furio 01-30-2011 03:09 PM

39-38 Dukes early 2nd half

Marysville Flyer 01-30-2011 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frisco flyer (Post 206139)
Looks like we are utterly unprepared for this game.
The Dukes are doing exactly what everyone knows they would: getting one turnover after the next, and we seem not to be prepared to protect the ball.

Please - how stupid is this comment. I'm sure that BG has no clue that TOs are bad. Maybe you should send him a tweet

MD Flyer Pride 01-30-2011 03:11 PM

3 fouls on CJ. Ugh!

jack72 01-30-2011 03:11 PM

CJ and CW playing pathetic.

jack72 01-30-2011 03:12 PM

Sanders a stat stuffer, Searcy a stat duffer.

The Gem 01-30-2011 03:12 PM

Dukes push lead to 7 right away and now have two free throws. So much for a good start.

jcubspoe 01-30-2011 03:13 PM

Dayton down 5.

lilrudy4787 01-30-2011 03:13 PM

Dukes are driving it in the lane, getting it to their big guys and taking us to town

MD Flyer Pride 01-30-2011 03:13 PM

Dukes up 7.


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