John Crosby headed to Delaware State
 

Best of luck to him. Seemed like a very good guy, and I wish him nothing but success.

Probably a better competition level for his skill sets. Best wishes for your future, John Crosby.
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Delaware State also just hired a new head coach at the end of July.

Good luck, John! You always played hard as a Flyer!

best of luck John, wish you well!

If Crosby is just now signing then it continues to give me hope for the last scholarship available at Dayton. We still have until 08/21 which is the last day for registration for the fall classes. Dayton needs someone who can get rebound to be inserted into the roster. If Cunningham goes down by fouling out or, forbid, by injury then our rebounder will be a guard by the name of Landers. Also, we all agree that Cunningham is a beast. But, at 6’6” plus a little, he will be giving up 3 to 4 inches in leverage every night. There must be a guy, in a situation like Crosby, out there who can rebound.
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Wish him all the best. He maintained a positive attitude throughout.

Because Toppin can't rebound? Or Policelli?

Agreed. We are never in a position to lose a significant piece and be able to recover easily but I probably feel more comfortable losing Cunningham than Crutcher.

Best of luck to Crosby, seems like a great kid. Put the blame on Archie and whoever recruited him because he just wasn't at this level of talent.

This is pure speculation. Neither you nor anyone else on this board has any idea how Crosby would have done over his final 2 years if Archie was still the coach.

Get your junk post out of here.

And there are so many posters that just love to kick the man while he is down. Lay off.

Wait, isn't Delaware St a D1 team? Another school who will not listen to the Pride posters who say Crosby is not a D1 player.

I really liked Crosby’s demeanor — always smiling, always playing hard. Good kid. But I don’t think it does him a disservice to say he wasn’t cutting it. True, we don’t know how he would have developed his final year under Archie or Grant, but it’s fair to say both coaches had already recruited over him (Archie with McKinley Wright and AG with Jalen Crutcher). That speaks volumes. But I do hope he plays like gangbusters at Delaware State. He deserves a good showing his senior year.

Technically D1, but far from ever being relevant in D1 basketball.

While you on the other hand can't resist a backhanded slap at AG. It was evident when John was an underslassman that he was struggling to play at the level the Flyers expected, it continued through his junior year. Great kid, good attitude, just was a bit in over his head. Should do pretty well at DSU.

Crosby was terrible, really terrible. Archie couldn't help him, John Wooden couldn't. Not in two years, not in ten! He just did not have the talent.
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TXFlyerFan: i believe, based upon past game time experience, our two strongest rebounders are Cunningham and Landers. All reports that i have read are that Landers has hit the weights effectively during the summer. Based upon information shared, Policelli has an outside shooting game plus his light physical weight gives the expectation that he will not focus his skillset on rebounding. Toppin is the unknown since he played very little actual playing time in high school and grown physically over the last two years. Those on this board who have actually seen him in practice, please share a definition of his game? Let’s all hope, that Toppin is the missing rebounder to spell Cunningham. But based upon Toppin’s very light playing time experience in high school to saddle Toppin with the expectation that he will be a double digit (10 or more) rebounder may be too high of an expectation. That may be unfair to him. This year will be his freshman D1 year.
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I actually think John will be a major contributor at Delaware. Square peg in square hole. A good fit for him.

Ditto... well said.

I generally agree with Bucketnight, but want to add the following observation. It’s obvious that Archie recruited over Crosby, given Wright’s standing coming out of HS. However, regarding Coach Grant, it’s possible he was looking for someone to both challenge Crosby and be groomed to take his place, given that Crosby had already quit on him once, and Grant was probably looking for anyone who could compete at the D-I level at that point in the recruiting.

All that said, I’m extremely happy to have Crutch at the point, I want him to do as well as the last guy who saw significant minutes as a Frosh PG, and I hope Crosby has a great season for Delaware State in 2019-20.
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The MEAC is not a powerhouse conference. Hampton usually leads the pack and Coppin State has had its share of success so maybe Delaware State may improve and be in the mix for the conference championship. I wish John Crosby well at his new school for his senior year.

Perhaps he can be at Delaware State. Good luck kid, rainbows need rain.

I wish you the best John. Please dont lose your smile! Basketball is not the end all!

I hope ya’ll give the young chap a standing ovation when he puts his team on his back and performs at the First Four!
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I’m not a fan of guys dogging Delaware St. They’re relevant in their conference. I’d bet most of us on this board couldn’t get a full ride to play hoops at one of them. If seeing the best of the best is your thing, watch the NBA. I wish Crosby well. The kid gave it his all here and I’ll bet he’s a stand out player.

Well, go ahead and prognosticate there, Miss Cloe. We only know what we know and what we saw and the kid simply struggled at this level for this particular team under two vastly different systems. Great kid, smart kid, excellent student, heck of a son, good friend, excellent boyfriend and might even make a great pancake, but a terrible player for UD. Hope he logs lots of mpg and plays well..

Sorry your butt hurts. I am not kicking a man when he's down. I made a point to say I thought he was a good kid.

I am pretty darn sure most people know exactly how Crosby would have fared if Archie stayed and it wouldn't be much different than where we are today. Lighten up Francis.

Met John at a restaurant once - very pleasant and gracious young man, and wish him success.

I don't understand the need to tear the kid down. I have my opinion of how we would have progressed with or without a coaching change, but he's gone and it doesn't matter. At this point, why not either wish him good luck or just don't say anything at all? What good comes out of bashing him?

It makes some feel better about themselves. It's the world we live in with anonymity guaranteed over the Internet. People post things they'd never say. The other aspect is some want to be "followed" so they go out of their way to be more outrageous than the next. Sad times we live in.

Good luck to you Mr. Crosby, i was frequently disappointed but never stopped rooting for him. I'll be rooting for Delaware State the year after this one

As you stated above, Crosby's signing gives you hope that we could fill the last scholarship available for 2018 with a big that could relieve Cunningham to rebound and score if needed providing they transfer by 8/21 and register for fall classes.
So, I went to the 2018 transfer thread and on page 3 it gives a complete list by position and shows whether a player has to sit or whether they are a grad or a RS and are immediately eligible! There are still about 14 bigs with immediate eligibility. I went to you tube to see if any of them had potential to be of help to us for one season!

The two players that I liked the most were Red Shirt seniors Ibrahim Sylla, 6'8" 220lbs from Northern Colorado and Brent Hibbitts, 6'8" 210lbs from Michigan. Hibbitts was a teammate of Ibi Watson last season so AG could ask Watson for his opinion and Sylla, who can jump out of the gym, is a great rebounder who loves to dunk the ball and was a big star coming out of high school. Check out his you tube videos! He would be great for one years service in 2018 to be in the mix with Obi and Frankie!

As you stated above, Crosby's signing gives you hope that we could fill the last scholarship available for 2018 with a big that could relieve Cunningham to rebound and score if needed providing they transfer by 8/21 and register for fall classes.
So, I went to the 2018 transfer thread and on page 3 it gives a complete list by position and shows whether a player has to sit or whether they are a grad or a RS and are immediately eligible! There are still about 14 bigs with immediate eligibility. I went to you tube to see if any of them had potential to be of help to us for one season!

The two players that I liked the most were senior grad transfers Ibrahim Sylla, 6'8" 220lbs from Northern Colorado and Brent Hibbitts, 6'8" 210lbs from Michigan. Hibbitts was a teammate of Ibi Watson last season so AG could ask Watson for his opinion and Sylla, who can jump out of the gym, is a great rebounder who loves to dunk the ball and was a big star coming out of high school. Check out his you tube videos! He would be great for one years service in 2018 to be in the mix with Obi and Frankie!

CvilleFlyer: Thank you for the information on these two guys. This seems to be a good example that there are still kids available given the new age of transfers.
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There have been a handful of players that didn't live up to expectations here for one reason or another and went separate ways. Happens every year, every conference, every division. Regardless of decisions made to stay or go, kid was a Flyer and didn't do anything to tarnish the program while he was here. Hope he does well and finds his place.

Sorry for the double post. I don’t know how that happened. Maybe I’m just showing my age! Yes, you are right there are grad transfers out there who would like to contribute at other schools but it has to be the right fit. I am sure that Anthony Grant and his staff have evaluated all of them and they would most probably be here by now if they could blend in. We wouldn’t want to make the mistake of bringing in another Jordan Pierce! That is why I am happy that they brought Jordy in for 2019. He looks like a real good fit!

Crosby had head problems. He was quick enough (but not quick), he was strong enough (but not strong), he could shoot well enough (but not great), but he was always just a square peg in a round hole.

I'm just saying I understand that he wasn't going to be all A10, but he underperformed the skill he does have. I think it was between the ears not from the neck down.

There a difference between trashing the kid for no reason and telling it how it is. He's not good enough for UD basketball period. It's just the facts and has nothing to do about feeling better about themselves. I could argue your post is striving for the same 'feeling' trying to feel better about yourself with your holier than though attitude.


That said, I have nothing against him and hope he does well at d. st. I think the speed of the conference will be a little slower and could help him greatly. He kind of had a spastic style and under fast pressure it really hindered him.

Simple case of the body being too quick for the mind.....He committed himself in the air way too much with nobody to pass the ball to..There were close to a handful of games in his career where he looked pretty good for a few minute stretch but the consistency for some reason just never happened..

why cant the ones being critical of him, add 7 words to their post: But I do wish you well, John....

smh

Sure, I wish him well. Also wish the many who constantly supported him as the real deal, would man up and say "I was really, really wrong" .
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I thought when he returned, he would have an elevated game, playing with a chip on his shoulder so to speak.. But, it did not turn out that way, and his numbers are history.. so yes, I was wrong... but he always game hustle and tried his best, it did not turn into performance for the most part..

but, I would much rather have someone trying their level best and not quite getting the results.. than others who would not buy into Coach Grant and for whatever reason - snub the team concept: leave practice early because of a sore throat... or: joke with each other on the bench and share laughs, when the team is getting beat by over 20 points...

I appreciate his effort absolutely, and hope this works out for him... thanks for the effort John, I wish you well...

JC may want to reconsider his transfer to Delaware State -or- maybe this is why he chose DSU?

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/47990/

This link was at the bottom of that article. I find it even funnier.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/26398/

If they don't allow any snowballs how are the snowflakes going to grow? :(

'Snowballs' is offensive. Please refer to them as snowspheres. It's easier than buying a comfort pigmy pony.

the tiny ponies~!!! I love them, and also those little goats that get scared and fall over, Bless their hearts... I love them too

You mean just like our defense last year? :outtahere: I loved them too!! But......

yes!! lol.....)

Just curious, do snowballs have white privilege? I get confused in the post modern neo-Marxist world we live in.:bang:

A handful of my friends and I created a “sculpture” like that outside Stuart Hall during a snowstorm that happened in the winter of 1980-81. Made it @ 7’ tall, and even used dead wood from the underbrush next to D Lot as, well, you know.

And yes, Campus Security bulldozed it long before the sun came up the next morning.
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Please refer to it as a "heavy earth moving machine."

"Bull"dozer is a remnant of a mysoginistic time when only male cows were considered strong enough to work while the female cows we kept safely in the pasture, good for only 1 thing (2 things in West Virginia).

Crosby scores 37 in Delaware St exhibition. Happy for him.
https://twitter.com/DavidPJablonski/...30538304737280

Loved Crosby. I hope he has learned to relax and has a big year.

Really miss him too . He was a comedy act that broke up the tension of tight games. Glad he’s found the level where he can successfully play.
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let's see.. he scores 37 in an exhibition game...

and after all this time, you can't or are unable to simply wish him well...


your inability to let it go reflects more on you, than it ever will on him...

Regardless of JC and who is is playing and where...37 points is solid no matter who he was playing.

Glad to see him do well. As much as he frustrated me as a player, he always seemed like a good guy, who had his head screwed-on straight. Hope he has a good season.
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I checked their schedule...

Delaware St is part of the MEAC conference,
and they will be at NC A & T in Jan, so I will be able to see John in
person.. will defo get tickets for that one...

we have mutual opponents:
they are part of Maui on the Mainland this year

they also play Georgia Nov 15 in Athens
they play Virginia Tech Nov 20 in Blacksburg
they play either Southern U or Charleston Southern Nov 24 in Johnson City, Tenn

Off the court, yes. On the court, he just seemed to drastically underperform his talent. He was clearly inside his own head too much I think.


Unlike X Williams, who I kinda hope crashes and burns at Akron because he seemed like a headcase from the stories I've heard, I hope Crosby does well.

Congratulations to John, graduating today from Delaware St.

Looked at stats. John Crosby is scoring bunches. But he'is averaging 3.2 assists and 3.7 turnovers a game. That is not good point guard play IMO. His team has won one game and been blown out in most others. He has a selfishness to his play that kept him from being a good point guard at a higher level. I say this because I believe he has all the physical tools and skill potential to be one but wants to dominate the box score points column instead.

The sad part is he had a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs in UD history as to what a PG should be and he ignored it.

I don't dislike John Crosby personally, I just think his ego or something mentally has kept him from being as good as he could/should be. I wish him all the best in life, but doubt that basketball is going to take him very far once this season is over with.

Both of those kids chose UD and I appreciate that , unfortunately I’d didn’t work out for them I see no reason to be bashing these kids as they have whatever success they can somewhere else and seems a bit childish to me !
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I don't think it was ego. The game seemed to fast for him at times and caused a lot of those turnovers. When you're playing too fast you make poor decisions.

it was not his ego or selfishness IMO... it was the speed of the game that he could not catch up to....

He's the leading scorer in the MEAC, and also averages 5 rebounds a game... good attitude
from folliowing his tweeter account... He beiieves in Faith and himself... can't ask
for more than that..

He is majoring in Media Production and will do fine...

I'll have a chance to meet him when they come to Greensboro and
play NC A and T... looking forward to it...

no one has ever said anything about a future beyond college
in basketball... he wants to get involved in Media Production,
best of luck to him

He wasn't a good ball handler and that was one of his problems. Scoochie would methodically, slowly walk the ball across the court, he was able to this because they wouldn't press him because he was too good of a ball handler. John Crosby would be harassed from the second he got the ball. This caused him to have to move faster. His dribble was very high also. Scoochie used his speed in bursts while Crosby tried to go full speed all the time. Maybe Crosby would have been better served as a SG. i don't know. I do remember after the first exhibition game where posters gave their assessments of the newbys, someone compared him to Sean Scrutchins. I said to myself "Oh please, I hope not, can't be, he was recruited by Archie Miller not Jim O'Brien". Well, in all my years of following UD basketball, I never saw a better comparison. I wish I could find that post and congratulate that poster for his foresight. It was spot on.

Again, I'm only calling it as I see it. Not trying to pick on him, just being honest on my assessment of his basketball play. He was in over his head at this level. Why I don't know, because I still believe he had the tools to be a very good player.

you are not doing a good job of not picking on him....

he's gone, we get what you think you have already posted... I have a suggestion:
just write 4 words, and end this on a positive note...
just write:

best of luck, John..

with no other howevers, nothing else is needed

I have made plans for him during warmups to look for me:
I'll be the blind guy
with the shades, standing, cheering him...

I just want to show him there is a UD fan in
the stands that appreciates his effort and shake
his hand, wishing him luck in the future...

Can't do it, got to speak my truth. I can see tempering criticism of a player who plays for UD, but I'm not going to temper it for someone who chose to leave. John Crosby is obviously thriving on a lower level(in quality) team with lower level competition, and that's great for him. Not everybody was made to play at the highest levels.

Good luck in all you do John Crosby, may you choose the correct path for success and happiness in your life.

John had a very good skill set: fast, could jump and shoot most of the time. He had some of the same problem we are seeing from one of our current guards, too nervous with the ball and shooting. The year off may have done John good. Kids grow and improve. Look at Obi, Landers and Mikesell. Too bad John is with a crap team. Look for him in Europe soon.
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Kid played hard when I was watching.

I guess I have a different perspective.

I was embarrassed that we were so critical of his performance. We were on his case his entire stay at UD.

We all knew that he was a great athlete...and had a good HS performance level. Yet, we were constantly on critical of his performance...which of course was not exceptional.

Our critical comments helped in his rolling snowball that destroyed his confidence.

Quite honestly, it was a learning experience (for me) and I hope for others.

These athletes are not paid for their services...they are UD students...just like we were...we need to support them!

Just my opinion....

Kid get's a nod for graduating so someone has to take a shot.

Tells you more about the person posting than the player.

You think to much of our opinions. Our opinions had nothing to do with it... also we can be critical, that's part of being fans. They understand what they are getting into. When you get a scholarship their's expectations...

I think he can play in Europe. Just not as a PG. His A/T ratio is not very good. That said, he had a better than average stroke from deep, and he could run the floor pretty well. I can see him playing off the ball in a league that doesn’t feature 6’8” shooting guards.
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I know UD loses at home to George Mason his sophomore year without his play off of the bench.

the MEAC conference names John Crosby,
the MEAC player of the week last week..

on a team where almost every player on the roster
has more turnovers than assists...

He had 31 points on 11-for-19 shooting from the floor (57.9 percent) in an 84-76 loss to Loyola (Md.). He was also 8-for-10 from the free throw line (80.0 percent) and he grabbed six rebounds and handed out three assists.

most points scored by any MEAC player in any game this year...https://meacsports.com/news/2019/12/...ll-honors.aspx

Congratulations to John. He certainly had his moments here, but now he can live his own dream.

Bingo!

you were right on the money, as opposed to others
who were not

Relevance in D1 basketball is never more than about 4 wins away. Sweep a conference tournament and knock off a big name in the Dance. Any team can do that. In any given year, that's an impossible task for about the bottom 25% of D1 - even a hot streak won't help them enough. But hardly any team is permanently in the bottom quarter. Every team at least cycles up into the next quarter in its good seasons. And teams in that range have a chance to get hot for a stretch and make an impact.

JC's getting more ink on this site now than he ever did (good or bad) when he was a Flyer.

John had to do whatever was needed to make him happy

He saw that his role at UD was going to be be Crutcher's back-up and some guys would rather start and put up big numbers for a bad team rather than contribute off the bench for a winning team

Transferring turned out to be a win for him and a win for UD so happy for both

Beside possibly Trent M going to ILLINOIS, has anyone quit UD and moved to a higher rated program?

It seems they mostly leave for more playing time.

Johnny Davis and next year Obi Toppin. Of course, that's if you consider the NBA a higher rated program.

Transferring turned out to be a win for him and a win for UD so happy for both[/QUOTE]


At best he would have been Crutcher’s backup’s backup (Cohill) I guess not winning a single D1 game so far - isn’t winning in my book. Clearly it was a win for us.
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Jawan Staten

At best he would have been Crutcher’s backup’s backup (Cohill) I guess not winning a single D1 game so far - isn’t winning in my book. Clearly it was a win for us.
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You do realize, he joined a team that
had only 5 wins last year and finished 12th in the MEAC...

he is closer to home, and has matured and grown
as a person and player...

this may or may not lead to a European contract,
but clearly YES, this is a win for him...

If not a European contract, he has a future in Media Production
wanting to produce music videos... the connection with
his cousin certainly would give him opportunities in that area 4 sure...

it is a good win for both UD and for him

At best he would have been Crutcher’s backup’s backup (Cohill) I guess not winning a single D1 game so far - isn’t winning in my book. Clearly it was a win for us.
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To be fair, he would've been ahead of Cohill on the depth chart last year as far Point Guard goes. And if he had stayed, his eligibility would already be used up and this year would be irrelevant.

Yep! Was a good move both ways.

Maybe :) But if you don't sit out a year, did you transfer?

ahhh, nobody said "transfer". You said "quit" and "moved".

Are you available as my lawyer if I need one??? :)