Brian Gregory’s South Florida vs Archie Miller’s Indiana
 

Now playing on BTN- AM just got a “T” - game tied at 30 late first half. Now we can see who had the better coaching style...
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Ummm, that ship sailed, we might see who has the better team, but the better coaching style was determined the last 4 seasons including two drillings when they faced off against each other.

Yeah...no one can argue who had the better "coaching style" or is the better overall coach

Or which coach left the next coach in the worst position.
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Archie prevails 70-53...looks like Archie made some halftime adjustments.


Team 1 2 T
South Florida Bulls 34 19 53
Indiana Hoosiers 33 37 70

You mean BG didn't make any adjustments?!?!?!

I will give BG credit for a couple things though. I knew what his substitution pattern was going to be and while I disliked his offense I could actually tell he was running one.

Dudes- lighten up- i was just joking. I will say this: i retract most of the negative comments about BG. AM might run a better offense, probably is a better coach but really had no deep love of UD. I think BG did. And...i found myself rooting for USF.
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See, that's part of the problem.

What would you rather have: 1. a successful coach with no deep love for UD?

or 2. a less successful coach with a deep love for UD?

#1 for me please, 24/7/365.

Is everybody feeling THAT extremely spurned by Archie? So, we decided not to hire Griffin or Kuwik or Ostrom, because those guys have no deep connection to, and love for, UD? So, instead we hire an alumnus who does have a deep connection to, and love for, UD?

Get over Archie leaving already. Sh!t happens in life, don't make it worse by reacting poorly to it.

I am over AM - trust me. How am I reacting poorly to it? By not agreeing with you or others like you? In case you haven’t noticed I’m entitled to an opinion that doesn’t agree with you and I’m also entitled to express it. I’m not reacting poorly to it- i’m actually enjoying the experience since he left..
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College basketball is a business. The players are at the university 4 years and move on.

Loyalty should be a two way street but it is not. Don Donoher was very loyal and he was fired. As I understand, Ron Jirsa, Billy Schmidt and Tom Ostrom applied for the head coach position and were not hired. I did not see much loyalty to them. UD wanted a better opportunity. That is just part of the business.

I don’t fault people for finding better opportunities, players, coaches and administrations.

Nice thread!

Unfortunately, neither of those two programs and the coaching staff have anything to do with OUR program!

Please focus on the tasks at hand instead of looking at something else!

That is all! :)

UD2, you do realize 2 of the 3 coaches you are lobbying to have been the head coach at Dayton were not even considered to be good enough, by Archie himself, to be taken as assistant coaches at Indiana. Archie felt they weren't IU quality assistants but you think they are UD head coach quality?
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Longtime, successful head coaches Jim Boeheim and Bob McKillop thought otherwise.

Fair enough. We will agree to disagree about hiring assistants versus AG. It's fair to say in 3-4 years UD and IU will see from the records whether they made good hires.
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This quote was included on the ESPN summary.

"I highly regard Archie as a great coach. He did a great job at Dayton," Gregory said. "I followed them every game. I hoped they won every game because that's the way I was taught in this profession."

Say what you will about his coaching style or whatever, but Gregory is a class act. I'd like to see them both doing well. More importantly I'd like to see AG do well!

Whatever BGs failings were, love and support of UD and the Dayton area are not in question. My sister in law was good friends with Yvette and they absolutely loved the school and the area. I wish it would have worked out better for them and I wish BG nothing but success. He and his family are a class act.

I'll bet you're right, I'll bet AM does not have a deep love for UD. Doesn't bother me a bit because there's justification there. If in early coaching career, the University did to my first big time recruit who played a huge part in the success that turned the program around what the University did to Pierre, I'd be pretty resentful too.

Coaches develop a bond with a player. They form bonds with their families too. They have been entrusted to do what's best for the kids of these families. They promise these families what a great school he's going to. How he'll come out of it a better person in a better situation. And then a fling with college woman turns into accusations of sexual predator behavior for the world to see and the University exacerbates the situation with a 1/2 year expulsion for what is pretty much normal college behavior and yeah, I'd wouldn't leave with all warm and fuzzy feelings.

Besides the emotions that goes into that, there's also probably a feeling that they also put an albatross around his neck when it comes to recruiting for that school. He obviously felt that his player got screwed. Now he has to continue recruiting for that school and what does he say when one of the parents brings up the Pierre situation? Does he lie about his feelings and say that Pierre brought it on himself. Or does he be honest and say "you've brought up a good point, I can't control the actions of my superiors."?

Maybe he would've left anyway, nothing abnormal about a very young successful coach taking a blue blood job when offered. But maybe he would've given it more thought had he not felt somewhat sabotaged at the job he was trying to do.

Archie Miller left with class under the circumstances. He never publicly admonished UD for this. His feelings on it might have trickled out but he never publicly gave it legs. He said nice things about UD even in his first press conference with IU. Now he puts UD in the past and doesn't bring it up anymore, that's all we can ask.

I certainly think AM is the better coach and did an amazing job at UD.

However, I was thinking about something.

BG won an NCAA tournament game in 2009 with all of his own recruits - a team that he built himself. That is quite an accomplishment for any college coach.

If it were not for the tournament expansion to 68 teams, AM would have never done that. We would have been playing in the NIT in 2015 pre-expansion.

That seems maybe debateable IMO. I do not have the top 25/50/100 win-loss data. Maybe the 2014 and 2015 resumes would have been good enough for a 65 team tourney.


Season Record RPI Rank SOS Rank

2016-2017 25-8 0.5920 32 0.5273 71 7 seed
2015-2016 25-7 0.6063 22 0.5573 49 7 seed
2014-2015 25-8 0.5920 32 0.5273 93 11 seed
2013-2014 23-10 0.5837 43 0.5539 61 11 seed

2008-2009 26-7 0.6037 27 0.5319 95 11 seed

I believe we were he last team in in 2015.
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This thread seems filled with quotes from crazy ex-girlfriends.

Didn't have a deep love? LMAO. He didn't buy us flowers? He didn't notice our haircut? He didn't want to hang out with our friends.

I wish both coaches well. I thought they were both good hires when they were made and continue to believe they were.

I think we can still be friends.

Both left UD for what they consider better and more prestigious positions and coaching challenges. Results at UD and the opportunity UD gave them provided them with what they felt they needed experience and career wise to move on to the next level. That's life and everyone's prerogative and we have all done it.

I never thought BG was a good in game coach with his running up and down the sidelines. But he and UD had success and I thank him for that. But having looked back, I think UD and his present position are about his coaching talent level.

With AM, it's too early to tell but I give him this year and next year for IU to show some promise and positive evidence of moving forward in wins \ losses, playing competitive basketball in the B10 and recruiting, otherwise the IU fans, which do not appear very patient to me and expect immediate results, will be making noise.

AM and BG are gone and I home they do well to justify their changing positions, but I am only rooting for and care about AG and UD.

IU gave Crean 9 years, Archie will be treated fairly.

USF is a tough job.

DI assistant coaching jobs are more about glad handing than taking guys that will be the next head coach...that is unless you are that school down south.

Or Butler
or Michigan State
or Gonzaga
or Wisconsin
or UConn
or BYU
or Valpo
or San Diego State
or Northern Iowa
or Oklahoma State
or SMU.

Bulk of assistant jobs in the NCAA are repayment or favors....unless like the schools mentioned above...you have an assistant or associate HC that was there for a decade prior to a coach leaving. Not trying to get into a ****ing match, but Gard...15 years as an assistant...Izzo 12...Few 10...Rose 8...Fisher 8 years and plenty of HC experience...

The above guys were people that were there forever and don't really equate to what I am stating.

Valpo...Uconn...UNI...OSU...SMU...these schools are schools that had short term assistants...all less than 5 years become head coaches.

My above post is referring to the situation that we have seen here at UD...which is pretty common...guy is here for a contract or two (say 5-8 years) and they leave...said school goes to the outside. I think we have been lucky the last two hires...but I think we are in agreement that long term success comes from having a coach that has been with your program for an extended period of time. The assistant coach carousel in the NCAA...is usually present as assistants aren't typically compensated like that are at a school like UD or big time programs...I would venture to say that Archie's staff had every hope of taking over UD's program...it didn't happen. The programs you mention are consistent...primarily due to not starting over.

Brian Gregory
 

Stumbled on this article today and enjoyed reading it. Didn't want to start a new thread for it, so am posting it here. (Has nothing to do with AM)

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/usf-b...-coaching-job/

excerpt:
And if you really want to get Gregory beaming, bring up the collective classroom effort. USF, which endured no fewer than five player suspensions in Antigua's 2 1/2 seasons, boasted 11 players with GPAs of 3.0 or better in the fall semester.

"Their citizenship has been really noted," athletic director Mark Harlan said in February. "I'm on campus quite a bit, I hear from faculty members, those kinds of things. And that has improved in all regards."

BG hired Beth Flach. She is an under appreciated hero for the university and program. BG never waivered on academics and he handed Beth some real challenges. So did Archie.

UD impresses the basketball players that education is important. Can’t say that about some other universities.