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SeasonTicketFan 01-23-2018 11:18 PM

Davidson Win
 
Close win. Fun game to watch. Back and forth.

The basketball gods intervened a few times and smiled on UD. The Trey Landers desperation 3 at the end of the shot clock was surreal.

Best defensive effort by UD this year in my opinion. They held a high scoring offense in check and played Man to man most of the way. Their man to man is still really bad on pick and roll defense but they played tight and hard on D. Josh is not good at the pick and roll. The guards don't fight through the picks well either. Josh could improve there. Hard to criticize when all else is great in his game.

I still believe Trey Landers is the barometer for the team. Good Trey game - win. Bad Trey game - loss. He played well tonight except he got into foul trouble.

The bench was short tonight. No Svoboda. Kostas did not play in the second half. Crosby played 7 minutes. Williams played a nice game. Xeyrius and Trey had to guard Aldridge all night long with no help. Davidson isolated him a lot. Aldridge played 40 minutes.

6 turnovers. Lowest of the year? I think a lot had to do with Davidson's defense which does not seem to force turnovers. Very little pressure on the UD guards.

Good game from Crutcher. I don't like his 3 point form but it goes in more than I give him credit.

Jordan Davis seems lost at times. I wish he could make things happen more.

Offense seemed very lost in half court in the second half. The Davidson defense seemed to confuse UD. We don't seem to attack the middle of the zones at all.

Why can't UD get the ball into the post? UD has only one post players. I watched Kostas try to post up tonight. He does not have the physical strength to establish and hold a low post position. he can't do anything with the ball once he gets it. UD has only one post player, Josh who scores in bunches.

This team is streaky on both ends. It seems every game ahs a run of 10+ points by UD or the opponent. I never remember past teams having so many streaks. This game had a number of them. UD rolls of 12 to start the game. Davidson had 12 straight points in the second half.

What was the deal on the Josh technical? That could have been a big momentum swing.

The ending was a nail biter. UD had fouls to give. With 5 seconds to go, I wish they go in players faces and fouled instead of giving up that 3 point shot. Easier said than done. Then DD misses the free throw. Tense finish, but a win over the second place in the league.

Best yet, one of naysayers actually said something positive for a change. Reaffirms to me that that the team is not 0-20 after all. We are 10-10 which comes nowhere close to making me happy, but we had a win tonight.

ruechalgrin 01-23-2018 11:41 PM

Defense was not that great looking at the stats. Gave up 1.16 points per possession. Davidson averages 1.156 points per possession. Just very few possessions in the game.
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SeasonTicketFan 01-24-2018 12:03 AM

The defense was far from great. Davidson shot the 3 ball well and the isolates to Aldridge in the low post were not defended well. No post help.

The team played man to man better than they have played it in a while. Saturday, the man to man was an ole defense.

Smitty10 01-24-2018 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin (Post 532250)
Defense was not that great looking at the stats. Gave up 1.16 points per possession. Davidson averages 1.156 points per possession. Just very few possessions in the game.
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We won because of such few possessions and the reason there were so few possessions is that we kept them to 6 FT attempts and they held us to 11. We won by making 5 more FTs then they did. Also, both teams seemed content to take the shot clock down to almost zero nearly every possession.

ud69 01-24-2018 01:08 AM

A few quick hitters:

Pathetic student attendance. 2 weeks into the semester and everybody had to be cramming for exams I am sure.:whiteflag:

Flat crowd - except for a few late possessions

Played man-to-man except for maybe 1 or 2 possessions. Last game was the opposite. Davidson does not have the dribble drive guards that Rhody has. Had to play man to protect against the 3 point shooting.

Landers was on an island against Aldridge defensively. He was getting no help because we were not going to allow him to kick it out to the 3 point shooters. It was a really tough match-up for him - giving up a lot of height and weight and being in foul trouble. He got my vote for game MVP.

Crutcher had a bad start and his man nailed a couple of threes 5 minutes into the game. Played pretty well after that.

Need more penetration from the guards.

Guards also need to find Cunningham more. He shot 70% tonight and is 67% for the season. Need to feed the horse.

For the last couple of defensive possessions Grant put Cunningham on Aldridge. Grant knew that McKillop was going to call a play for Aldridge and needed a stronger defender on him. Good call by Grant.

We were very fortunate on a couple of late treys - especially the Landers prayer and late deep Crutcher trey that gave us a 2 point lead.

As with just about every game - a real struggle, but we survived.

Chris R 01-24-2018 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan (Post 532244)
This team is streaky on both ends. It seems every game ahs a run of 10+ points by UD or the opponent. I never remember past teams having so many streaks.

Id say the streaky play is largely from youth and inexperience. Crutcher, Kostas, Svoboda, and J. Davis are first year players. Landers basically is as well. Crosby basically never started until this season. Darrell was the 7th man at best for most of his career. Amazing that Josh can do so much given that he played 4 basketball games in about 2.5 seasons heading into the year.

Some days its 2 steps forward 1 back. Other days its 1-1. Still others its 1-2. Learning to sustain excellence and good habits is usually gained only one of two ways : DNA or the school of hard knocks. Im not sure anyone on this team is so talented at the chromosome level that on-court lessons are remedial classwork.

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I know Davidson isnt as strong this year without Jack Gibbs and that other PG, but Davidson is always a terrible matchup for us. Any team that cuts hard, shoots the rock, and basically doesnt beat themselves always causes us trouble. Its why even when we beat Richmond its like pulling teeth no matter how good/bad they are. McKillop tore Archie a new rear end last year in the A10 Tournament. We are also a different team this year and lost a ton. If you can find a way to beat BMcK's team, by definition there had to be some positives. That it was ugly and almost in the L column without some late dramatics -- this ain't horseshoes and hand grenades. The W counts like all the others.

steve 01-24-2018 05:12 AM

Did not see anything but final 2 minutes but they won this game simply because they only had 6 TO's. Pretty simple. This over-all porous defensive team was able to limit Davidson possessions/shots, yet, find more shots of their own. About time UD got a break or two with a fortunate 3 ball and/or hitting an open 3 with the shot clock dwindling. God knows it's happened to UD enough.

Yes, the runs UD gives up is maddening as Davidson had two 12-0 runs, a 9-0 run and a 7-0 run and it seems 3 of those happened when UD had double figer ( as Bucky would say) leads.

Smitty10 01-24-2018 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by steve (Post 532273)
Did not see anything but final 2 minutes but they won this game simply because they only had 6 TO's. Pretty simple. This over-all porous defensive team was able to limit Davidson possessions/shots, yet, find more shots of their own. About time UD got a break or two with a fortunate 3 ball and/or hitting an open 3 with the shot clock dwindling. God knows it's happened to UD enough.

Yes, the runs UD gives up is maddening as Davidson had two 12-0 runs, a 9-0 run and a 7-0 run and it seems 3 of those happened when UD had double figer ( as Bucky would say) leads.

Look at the box score. Davidson got 4 more shots off and made 1 more FG than us plus made 2 more three-pointers. That's 4 more points than us. We won because we made 5 more FTs than they did which was caused by getting to the free throw line 5 more times than they did.

priceg75 01-24-2018 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin (Post 532250)
Defense was not that great looking at the stats. Gave up 1.16 points per possession. Davidson averages 1.156 points per possession. Just very few possessions in the game.
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Limiting their possessions = good, AFAIC.

I think part of it was the refusal to double the post, and NOT playing zone so they had nowhere to kick for their easy 3-point looks. Most of the 3 looks were contested well enough. They just had to work a little harder for their offense.


Whatever works. Another win against a team ahead of us in the standings, that's 6 of 8 conference games that we've played against teams that are in the top half. It'd be nice to face a run of teams that aren't playing so well and see if that makes any difference, or if we just come out flat like we like to do every other game or so.

steve 01-24-2018 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Smitty10 (Post 532277)
Look at the box score. Davidson got 4 more shots off and made 1 more FG than us plus made 2 more three-pointers. That's 4 more points than us. We won because we made 5 more FTs than they did which was caused by getting to the free throw line 5 more times than they did.

Well, pretty much the obvious but your post really doesn't explain the interactions, how the game unfolded and why UD was able to be in the position they were.Getting to the FT line is also a result of having more possessions which you don't have nearly as much with their normal 16 plus TO's a game.Davidson had 9 offensive rebounds and most in the 2nd half, thus, the reason they had more shots which means nothing in the grand scheme.

Again, it's NOTHING for a team to have more shots than their opponent and lose. Bottom line, if you've actually watched UD play this year, is they were at least 10 plus turnovers under their average for the season which limits giving your opponent added possessions/shots and creates additional shots for your own offense. Points off turnovers has killed UD this year....

Browns 01-24-2018 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Smitty10 (Post 532277)
Look at the box score. Davidson got 4 more shots off and made 1 more FG than us plus made 2 more three-pointers. That's 4 more points than us. We won because we made 5 more FTs than they did which was caused by getting to the free throw line 5 more times than they did.

It was a one point victory, you could pick any stat from the box score and say that's the reason we won.

SeasonTicketFan 01-24-2018 08:24 AM

Davidson had two technical free throws. Any ideas why Josh was Td up?

THirt 01-24-2018 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan (Post 532297)
Davidson had two technical free throws. Any ideas why Josh was Td up?

He caught Michaelsen with a high elbow running through the lane... maybe that could have been a flagrant 1, but it should NOT have been called a technical. https://twitter.com/davidpjablonski/status/956000540705648640
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flyerfever 01-24-2018 08:57 AM

It was defensive holding on Davidson’s player. Should have been 5 yards and a first down.
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rollo 01-24-2018 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by THirt (Post 532302)
He caught Michaelsen with a high elbow running through the lane... maybe that could have been a flagrant 1, but it should NOT have been called a technical. https://twitter.com/davidpjablonski/...00540705648640
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Flagrant 1 is the old 'intentional foul' rewording. His elbow caught the Davidson player above the shoulders which is a royal 'no-no' and why it can't be an F1.

In HS, any contact above the shoulders is an automatic intentional foul...and I tried to read the NCAA Rulebook this morning for clarification and couldn't find anything about elbows above the shoulders...or what I should say is that everything I found said Cunningham should have been ejected but because he wasn't, there must have been some middle ground in the rules that the refs applied to give him a T and keep him in the game.

In other words, I have no idea what they called or why they called it. :eek:

San Diego Flyer 01-24-2018 10:11 AM

Metrics aside, this defensive effort last night passed the sniff test. We were extremely active and pesky on D. Grant lauded the team's defensive effort and success. He called out Jordan Davis for his full game defense. Compare last nights defense to a month ago. Night and day difference.

You can always find a stat to suit your opinions, especially in a one point game.

TXFlyerFan 01-24-2018 01:26 PM

Didn't get to watch the game until it was over and I knew we won. But I was tracking along with ESPN while I was at dinner. Overall observations:

1. Davidson is a good team, and this was a nice win for UD
2. I hate it when we get a good lead then **** it away with poor defense AND poor offense. We must have built the lead to 7-11 4-5 times only to go brain dead on offense with either a quick three or a TO. In fact, I think 4 of our TOs came in about a 4 minute stretch, spanning both sides of half-time.
3. We played better D last night for most of the night. Maybe Davidson isn't as good as some other teams, but they were good enough to be 4-1 in conference. Whatever the case, I'll take it and hope we build on it.
4. Still too many dumb passes. I think X was responsible for both TOs right before the half.
5. No Svoboda
6. Crosby didn't play much, which was interesting. He has some level of quickness about him that not sure Davidson could match up against. Still, the way Crutcher was playing overall, not much opportunity there.
7. Crutcher with several really nice drives to the hoop from the left side and putting the shot off the glass rather than try to drop in a floater. Loved those
8. Saw multiple attempts to drop the ball inside. Unfortunately, there were a number of plays where we could have gotten it inside but were too late to recognize.
9. Davidson could not handle Cunningham down low
10. Trey with great energy again. Tough matchup guarding a guy 5 inches taller. That three he hit at the last second off a bad/fumbled pass was a shot that seems to always happen *against* us rather than for us.
11. Happy for the win as always. On to St. Looey

Flyer69ers 01-24-2018 01:51 PM

How important was Trey Landers desperation throw with the clock just about out -
he picked that ball up off the floor and chucked it - for 3!

longtimefan 01-24-2018 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by steve (Post 532273)
Did not see anything but final 2 minutes but they won this game simply because they only had 6 TO's. Pretty simple.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty10 (Post 532277)
Look at the box score. Davidson got 4 more shots off and made 1 more FG than us plus made 2 more three-pointers. That's 4 more points than us. We won because we made 5 more FTs than they did which was caused by getting to the free throw line 5 more times than they did.

So I guess we still would have won if we had 21 turnovers.

San Diego Flyer 01-24-2018 04:07 PM

I just wish we had won the game. Oh wait.......

Ya'know, Crutcher is quietly putting up some nice numbers. His A/TO ratio of 2.1 for Freshman is quite remarkable. Leads the team in steals. Plays third most minutes on the team. Shoots free throws at a .750 clip. And is finding his range from the floor. Great little teardrop from the left side last night. The ball was up and gone before the defender could figure out what he was going to do.

One last comment on the scariest moment of the game for me. DD misses his last free throw with 3.2 seconds left and now he is going to make up for it by tracking the Davidson shooter to half court and trying to block the last shot from 50 feet. One pump fake and the shooter is at the line for 3 free throws. :eek:

steve 01-24-2018 04:13 PM

In all fairness there was not enough time for a pump fake. He didn't get the shot off in time as it was per the announcers..

UD62 01-24-2018 04:19 PM

After close analysis of ever aspect of our offense and defense, I have concluded that we won because we scored one more point than Davidson. Didn't matter how or why.

Alberto Strasse 01-24-2018 04:23 PM

Congratulations to AG and the Team
 
for a fine win against Davidson. I thought it was their smartest game of the year. I liked the game plan which appeared to have UD play defense with the offense by controlling tempo and
limiting Davidson's possessions. Trey Landers and Jalen Crutcher were outstanding. I thought their man defense was the most effective it has been this year. The team brought a lot of energy to the game with even X-man getting into the act. Go Flyers! Keep it up.

T-Bone 84 01-24-2018 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by THirt (Post 532302)
He caught Michaelsen with a high elbow running through the lane... maybe that could have been a flagrant 1, but it should NOT have been called a technical. https://twitter.com/davidpjablonski/status/956000540705648640
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Hard to say from that angle how much of Michelsen’s reaction was due to drawing contact and how much was a “recoil” to avoid it. All I saw was the play that led up to it, and it looked (from my seat 125 feet away) like Josh was fouled on the play with no call. Might have been some frustration on his part there, but as a 4th year Junior, the team captain, and our only “horse”, he needs to be smarter than that.
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OSU Flyer 01-24-2018 07:00 PM

Defense was improved in this game. Coming in with the struggles guarding the 3 point line I expected Davidson to have a field day from 3.

Good to see turnovers held to a minimum.

Jordan Davis has been a little in a funk since the VCU game

Trey Landers is going to be a big piece of the puzzle over the next couple of years

Smitty10 01-24-2018 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by longtimefan (Post 532404)
So I guess we still would have won if we had 21 turnovers.

Just as much as if we'd sent them to the FT line 6 more times :rolleyes:

maddog07 01-24-2018 08:24 PM

[QUOTE=OSU Flyer

Jordan Davis has been a little in a funk since the VCU game

It's much worse than a little funk and much more than since VCU. Prior to VCU he went 1-6 vs DU, 1-3 vs SBU, 2-4 vs Umass and 1-1 vs URI. So far in conference he's been close to awful- 12- 33. 12 hoops in seven games isn't cutting it. A few ft and avg 2 boards .
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Sticks 'n Stearns 01-24-2018 09:11 PM

I love the Crutcher teardrop, think that will become a weapon as he gets better at it. Jordan Davis isn't shooting well but I like that he doesn't always settle for the outside shot like he seemed to early in the year. He isn't finishing well but that will come with time. Maybe it's just me, but he also seems to be working his tail off on the defensive end. Not always getting the results, but you can't fault his effort.
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CE80 01-25-2018 10:02 AM

Right now the choice is Jordan or X. X has been showing a little more promise but I'll go with more PT for Jordan for now.

San Diego Flyer 01-25-2018 10:45 AM

[QUOTE=maddog07;532461]
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer

Jordan Davis has been a little in a funk since the VCU game

It's much worse than a little funk and much more than since VCU. Prior to VCU he went 1-6 vs DU, 1-3 vs SBU, 2-4 vs Umass and 1-1 vs URI. So far in conference he's been close to awful- 12- 33. 12 hoops in seven games isn't cutting it. A few ft and avg 2 boards .
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Anthony made special mention of Jordan's defense in the Davidson win as being one of the keys to the win. In the grand scheme of things, Jordon's stroke is not something to worry about.


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