News on Ryan Mikesell
 

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More bad offseason news on the injury front for @DaytonMBB
http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/sp...KJ61Hm5UyBvjJ/

Needs multiple hip surgeries... Out at least 6 months

So, I think you can write him off for next season. FWIW, the impingement surgery is what the Reds catcher went thru.

That timeframe takes him to mid-November. Sounds as if it could be December or later before he could play, given time to rehab and begin practice. Could be looking at a medical redshirt year unless he significantly beats that six-month recovery process.

Speedy recovery Ryan!

My nephew plays lacrosse at Loyola MD had this operation. In HS in complained of pain but it was never diagnosed correctly. The trainer at Loyola saw something. In addition to the pain, it limited his mobility. Than may explain some things with Ryan. It took every bit of 6 months to rehab. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ryan try for a medical redshirt.

Mesoraco basically hasn't been healthy in years from this?

Actually it takes him all the way out to mid-December. He will have one surgery in mid-May and another in mid-June. We probably would be looking at at least January.

One year from this basically. Last year was shoulder surgery. They did the other hip I think last year after he was ruled out because of the surgery.

Well, the good news is that Mikesell has a medical redshirt year which he can and I suspect will use. Kind of makes me wonder if this news was the impetus for Anthony Grant finally deciding to track Matej Svoboda down.

CE80 hit the nail on the head. Perhaps Ryan's defense suffered last year? Perhaps he didn't have the explosion he needed to drive to the basket? I'd like to think he comes back quicker, stronger, better...

Speedy recovery Mike!

Maybe this will cause posters to take pause before they need to post criticism of players effort. Awful hard to be constantly battling pain to play at the high level of college basketball.

Godspeed to you, Chip. Best wishes for a complete recovery!
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Hopefully, Mesoraco is finally healthy. He caught back to back games for the first time in two years and hit a home run last night. Ryan is a determined young man and I have no doubt he'll do the work to come back as soon as possible. With that said and given what I've heard about the surgery, I'm thinking redshirt.

I feel for the guy. Seems like a hard worker and I am hopeful he'll get back better than ever. This also might explain how Svboda went from "no contact" to "signed". Room for both for sure, but may have added some urgency.

hope for a speedy recovery Ryan, and come back stronger....

The rehab is very important with this type of surgery... and is lengthy - as you first have to get the full range of motion back before you can start any strengthening.

I would certainly think redshirt for him, but if he is dedicated to his rehab - will come back better than ever.

I never saw anyone criticizing his effort. I think that is the one thing we can all agree on that he is a hard worker. Myself and others have criticized his ability, totally different. I never once thought he wasn't giving effort when he played.

As for RM, I wish you a speedy recovery! Hopefully this is what was holding you back from the player many thought you can be.

Another positive spin on this is if the A10 goes to the new wheelchair basketball format, we'll be in REALLY good shape. Frontcourt is totally set with Mikesell, Miller and Cunningham. Maybe petition the NCAA to get more eligibility for the oft-concussed Ryan Bass to run point, and then we just need to pick up a shooting guard somewhere. Bucky Bockhorn was a guard back in the day. Technically, he is out of eligibility but NCAA will never catch us on that one. No way their record books go back far enough. Now Bucky's probably a little too mobile honestly for the gig, but if he downs like 8 or 9 bud lights, he'll at least be a bit wobbly. So that's a pretty good starting five. Then maybe see if we can get Detwon Rodgers to come back from that devastating phantom injury. Potential sixth man of the year right there. And for good measure, we can get the coaching staff to ride around and the sidelines, frequently toppling off their scooters like Mark Schmidt and Ron Hunter... This could really be the start of something. Things are totally looking up.

DallasFlyer: you usually make terrific posts but i sense a little frustration from you. It does appear that the wheels are falling off? (Wheel chair pun intended). Question: with this news about Mikesell, does that put us with three or four scholarships available? We lost Cooke, Pollard, Smith, Crosby, Davis and Mikesell. I am assuming that Miller will recover from broken foot. I think we had one open scholly last year? We've got Svoboda, Kostas, Pierce and Davis joining.
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Wright, Carter and the one who shall not be named (Miller) abandoned us.
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What m21eagle45 wrote above are basically my thoughts as I was one of the people who often criticized RM's defensive ability.

Also a few people have written that he gets a "medical redshirt" but that is not actually the case. He hasn't used his regular redshirt year and that is technically what would be happening. Now if he sits out a 2nd complete season he could apply to the NCAA for a medical redshirt after his 5th year at UD to gain another season and be in school for 6 years.

Will Mikesell be loud if he goes the redshirt route?

I'm assuming auto correct got you here. You meant allowed?

He would be allowed to apply for a medical redshirt but the only reason to do that is if you are trying to get a 6th season of eligibility which would mean he misses a 2nd season for some reason. All players have 5 years from when they enter school to play 4 years in a sport. It doesn't matter what the reason is they are sitting out during that extra year. You also don't apply for a medical redshirt until the players has completed 5 years.

Nope, I actually meant "loud" since, well, you know, he'd be wearing red and all that.

You misspelled "loud" is why I got confused. But to answer your question RM will be allowed to be LOWD.

In the future we can avoid any further confusion by spelling LOWD correctly. Also you misspelled "wearing red". So for future reference the full term is WARE RED, BE LOWD!

Nice pun. I like it. My post was more just to make some jokes than vent frustration. Obviously, the offseason hasn't gone quite to plan, but I've gotten pretty used to that, sadly. We'll be okay. My expectations weren't all that high for next year anyway. Nothing that has happened thus far is really cause for me to lower them significantly, assuming we get the PG situation figured out at some point.

This made me wonder about walk-ons. Do coaches ever tend to never allow a walk on into a game for one season just to keep the option of having them for a 5th year of practice? Seems to me that would be advantageous to have 5th year walk-ons on your practice squad if they choose to come back.

I will never understand this, you can't spell loUD without UD.

I expect them to play 100%. If they can't play near 100% then coach should not play them.

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HK. Hoo Kares. :)

It is not for everyone to understand. It is simply for you to accept.

Ray Harper Kares!!!!!!

Anyone can be loud. LOWD is the equivalent to turning your amps to 11. It's not ten. It's one louder. Or giving 110 percent. The max is the max. But you can go one more.

I know you say you will never understand, but I know you can do it.

Try starting with loud. Then get a few drinks in ya and start talking UD hoops. Pretty soon you'll be teetering on the brink of lewd.

It's a good idea at this point to tip your bartender.

Also, it may be helpful to have an extra sweater vest available in case you rip yours open like the Hulkster. But worst case scenario, shirtless is an option. Careful though cause if you've ever watched COPS, you know they ALWAYS arrest the shirtless dude.

But yeah, just avoid jail my man, and remember that the train doesn't stop at loud. It goes one more. And you can go one more.

And then when you do, boom. You will have arrived at destination LOWD.

Embrace it my friend.

Dumb. In real time if we make an analysis on a player, and it's negative, no one should hold off on their critique because a player 'might be hurt'. In this case 7 weeks after the season ended this news comes out where he was hurt. Should we create a grace period and make a new rule that you aren't allowed to judge or critique a players effort until 7 weeks after a game because the player 'might be hurt'? Get serious. If I'm hard on a guy and later it comes out he was hurt, then that will explain alot. But that doesn't mean in real time I can't be critical and hold them to the highest standard.

We hold our guys to a high standard. The best schools do. If I qualify for a full academic scholarship I will be held to a high academic standard, with certain goals and standards I must meet. If I fail to do so I will be judged, critiqued and punished. No one at UD cares if the student who pays his own way to UD graduates with a 2.5; they only care the full ride academic scholarship student graduate with a 4.0. So why are we not allowed to hold athletes who are on scholarship to a high athletic standard? If you or a player has a problem with it, lobby for them to be a walk on. Many were content with Bobby Wherlis play a few years ago because he was just a 'walk-on'. Had he been (from the start) a scholarship level player we all would have held him to a higher standard and wanted to burn him at the stake. Similar to the criticism Crosby is currently getting. He is not playing at the high level we hold our scholarship players too. But if he wants to come back next year as a walk-on I'd be happy to take him.

I would be ok with a Mikesell redshirt. He's probably only going to play half a season AT BEST next year anyway, as my understanding is that 6 months is a very optimistic and aggressive timetable. Plus, it will help us balance out our classes. And, Mikesell with 2 years of eligibility left after he has been in the program 3 years is inherently more dangerous as a junior and senior.

Of course, you always have the grad transfer spectre, but we'd just have to take that risk.

Wonder why they waited so long to perform the operations? Sure let him finish the semester, but get him on the table the next day. They wasted a month. His 6 month recovery could have been done in October.

Doesn't it seem like a lot of sports injuries\surgeries aren't dealt with in a timely manner in regard to being ready for the next season? Seems very prevalent in football injuries.

I'd assume therapy is always the first treatment, surgery the last. There are a million things that can go wrong anytime you open up somebody's body, I don't think Doctor's like to resort to surgery unless all other options have been expired.

There's discussion about this in the 2017 recruiting thread for some reason read up a bit on hip impingement surgeries.

Fair question. The answer may be that it is just really hard to diagnose:
http://www.nays.org/sklive/sure-shot...-misdiagnosed/


"The issue with hip impingement is not treating it, but diagnosing it," says Dr. Joshua Harris, a Houston Methodist orthopedic surgeon. "Ball and socket pain will be felt in the groin, which often leads to an initial diagnosis of a pulled groin. Some patients can spend six months to six years seeing three to five doctors before they finally get the correct diagnosis of hip impingement."

Hip impingement occurs when either the socket or ball of the hip joint is not round, which prevents smooth movement within the joint. In most cases, this abnormal joint movement will lead to a tear of the hip labrum, a rim of cartilage that helps keeps the ball of the joint in the socket... We believe that most cases of hip impingement will begin in boys from 12 to 15 and girls from 11 to 13 who play high impact sports, such as soccer, track and basketball," Harris says. "Between these ages, the bones are still growing and strengthening, so jumping too much can cause the socket and ball to hit repeatedly and will eventually cause one of them to lose their round shape."

Note it says in most cases it will lead to a tear of the hip labrum which is what happened to Mesoraco. It's pretty easy to see, how the axial and torsional force put upon the hip joint would lead to problems for catchers and pitchers.

Here is an article on pitcher Josh Beckett that does a pretty nice job of explaining the three types of impingement deformities that can occur (Cam, Pincer, or combined): http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...ngement-injury

Remember, Mikesell was a pitcher and a very good one at that coming up through high school. This injury could have been something that stems from that which wasn't properly dealt with. Fortunately, coming back to basketball seems like it might be easier though than coming back from the injury as a pitcher.

Here is an article that details hip injuries in NBA players. It does a pretty good job of explaining the injury and detailing the prevalence of these injuries, but unfortunately does not give information in the way of recovery times: http://instreetclothes.com/2015/11/1...es-in-the-nba/

But I would be very surprised to Mikesell rush back because of having that medical redshirt year available. Totally different situation than Josh Cunningham's, where Mikesell will be guaranteed eligibility as a 5th year senior if he misses this year, where Cunningham faced an iffy proposition of getting the NCAA to grant a 6th year.

The semester ended May 4. Unless you mean the basketball season.

I do think part of the timing is Mikesell wanted to finish the school year. If he had the operation in March (if it was even diagnosed then), he would have not been able to do so.

You can't do both hips at the same time as I understand it, which is why one is May and one June.

Thanks. I did not realize they changed the calendar. School used to end about April 15. So the surgery date now makes sense.

Update: Ryan has had the first surgery.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sport...SbicP2TnIERTL/

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Ryan Mikesell had his second hip surgery today, Anthony Grant said. He's home for the weekend and will start rehab on campus next week.

My gut says he never plays for Dayton and likely anyone again. Hope I'm wrong as he's a good dude.

If a 28 year old short, stocky catcher can make it back to the worst position to have hip injury with, a 20 year old college basketball player should make it back quicker. Mikesell will play at least one more season for the Flyers. Whether Grant wants to tie up his scholarship for an extra season will determine if he comes back for 2.

May as well stay positive on Ryan's recovery.

There's no reason why he shouldn't based on the information we got. This is a bone issue not a soft tissue one which always has a
Much better prognosis. I anticipate a full recovery
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Maybe we should change the title of this thread now to simply, "News on Ryan Mikesell." I clicked on it afraid that something went wrong with his surgery.

Totally agree.

I could only change the topic name of the 1st post, which I made it News on Ryan Mikesell... Unsure how to fix the main one, sorry

Best Wishes Ryan
 

To one of my favorite Flyers. He moves well without the ball reminiscent of Jim Paxson Jr. and he can play inside or out depending on the teams' needs. I wish you a full recovery.

Thanks for changing the title of this thread. I am looking forward to reading good news about Ryan Mikesell in the near future.

I think we will see him on the court sometime this year, or at least back the next year, fully healthy and raring to go.

Well done.

As many people here predicted Mikesell is redshirting next year.

http://www.daytonflyers.com/news/201...18-season.aspx

Smart move. No need to rush back. Get healthy young man.

I think this is a good move. Let him get healthy, work on his game, and gain some strength. Good luck in your rehab, Ryan.

I think this bodes well for the Flyers. First of all it balances out the classes where he'll be a senior the same year as Landers. And I also can see him with his basketball smarts being even better as a 5th year senior than a 4th year senior. Not that I'm happy he's injured but sure has some silver linings attached to it.

When I think back on how great he played in those games when he was completely healthy two seasons ago I can't help but to feel that this is the best course of action. At times he played like a real stud out there rebounding and outfoxing taller opponents! Good luck on your rehab Ryan, and can't wait to see you back out there in the 2018-19 season!

We will miss his court savvy, a very steadying influence when he was on the court. Especially with all the newbies this season. But by far the smartest move for his long term health.

I'm pretty bummed. One less shooter and a junior with experience. I was excited for a year where we had all 13 scholarship players eligible and healthy.

Oh well. At least it clears the logjam at SF/wing spots.

Thankfully Obi committed/signed... should play major minutes off the bench at the 4

He might even be able to guard some stretch 4's who like to drive from the wing! ;)

Hopefully even though he is red shirting, Ryan will be able to make an appearance in the Red and Blue game. That would help alleviate the one big question mark going into this season as to who would be the best player on the team.

Why? The doctor won't let him do it, didn't you read the article. Plus it's a medical red shirt not red shirt

It was a joke (the myth that the best player in the Red and Blue game is always someone ineligible for the season . . .) :rolleyes:

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http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/spo...hC27b7GuuBQRK/
excerpt "I have a new ranges of motion I’ve never had in my hips,” Mikesell said. “I’m still reteaching myself different movements I’ve never had, which is going to take a long time. Then I’ve got to build my muscles back up so I can handle college basketball. It’s a lot different than high school. It’s way more physical. I’ve go to withstand banging with the guys and running up and down the court for 40 minutes.”

Sounds like Mikesell has made huge progress in his rehab and has a very strong work ethic and attitude. The team benefits greatly from just having him around. All of this points to him being a major contributor next year which is going to be great.

Having Him back along with having Obi eligible will help mightily next season... Good news all around

We need more talent

Great to read good news. Looking forward to seeing Mikesell play next year. I still think of his first game in a Flyer uniform.

I had no idea he was facing real physical pain last year during the season. Not to mention he broke his hand/wrist or hurt his wrist somehow prior to the season which really hampered his shooting. He would have been a real solid piece this year with excellent ability both to get to the hoop and passing.

Alot of offense would have been run thru him not to mention he would have been a key piece with his length and ability to put the ball on the deck flashing against the zone..Not saying he would have been close to an all A10 player but he would have significantly helped a team that lost 4 starting seniors..

Agreed, he would be the man to post at the foul line to take the entry pass into the middle of the zone.

I still wonder how anyone knows that Obi is going to be a savior next year. Based on what?

Not sure about savior, but I have seen him play and he is athletic and tall.

Playing him over Svoboda (if he comes back next year) is a major plus... well anyone is lol

I think you are selling Svoboda short. He does a lot of things well. I think he would be a very good roll player! Maybe not a superstar! He has some skills!

Svoboda needs to get on a role from 3.

He's a roll player now!
 

Maybe not a superstar???? Maybe?? Just missing SS statues-- Really??? He's been terrible. He has no role. He needs to go in order to free up a spot for a recruit than might actually help tis team,

You don't get it man. Players are expected to produce around here. It doesn't matter if you're a freshman. If you aren't a stud immediately then we need to cut you and give your scholarship to someone else.

Svoboda isn't a raw 17-18 year old who has a ton of upside potential. He's 21 and not super athletic. He isn't 6'9 nor a great rebounder, big man defender- he's 6'6" maybe 6'7." He COULD be a role player who comes in to provide some instant offense, but he hasn't really shown that yet this year. His value is as a 3 point specialist and many guys on this team already shoot too many 3s. I'm not sure he has much of a future here, but I could be wrong.

Being athletic and tall (X. Williams) doesn't always translate into being a good basketball player. Can he play defense, can he put the ball in the basket, is he "tough", and is he basketball "smart"?

I see what you did there! Clever!!

X is battling through a bad back. Anyone who has played sports with a bad back knows how hard this can be. I think he is playing tentative because of his back, and that is why people think he is playing with a lack of effort. Nobody was complaining last year about X being a bad player last year when he forced his way into the starting lineup.

X is physically hurting worse than you'll ever know with his back....

Finally a report that matches what we are seeing on the floor. His size, stature, play shouts something is wrong.

This is a case where I wish Grant would hint a little that X is hurting. It would sure help take some flak off of him from the fan base. Kind of like how Mikesell was hurting last year...

Don’t know about “savior”, but you should ask Bucky about practices.

I don't think you can let a player go just because he didn't play well in his first year of college BBall. Freshman all have adjust periods some more than others. Some need to learn a new language and social adjustments you just cant throw them out.
Besides your school will look bad if you just start over every year. Just my 2 cents.

This makes sense.

How are these raised expectations for Obi & Cohill being justified? Certainly J. Davis and Crutcher are doing well, but I think their performances are much closer to what we can expect from the new guys next year.

In that case, I take back all the derogatory remarks I’ve made about X’s work ethic this year. I sincerely hope he can make a full recovery.
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Good News For Ryan
 

He can be a very good addition to the Flyers. I do think next year's team will be better. A lighter schedule, more healthy bodies and hopefully the ability to extend the "D" to more of a half/full court havoc approach to create offense off of turnovers. At the very least an ability to play much better man defense without fouling and being forced by the zebra's into zone.
This year's young Flyers have faced off against more top 25 teams than in many years with four games (Auburn, St Mary's and Rhode Island).

Landers and Mikesell hurt last year without any media acknowledgement till the season is over. X injury status unknown this year

Seems like injuries here are very much a thing of mystery

Bucky just said Mikesell is scrimmaging with the team and looks good. Both he and Larry mentioned he should be a big factor next year. Let's hope so!

Is this a factually correct statement? Ryan Mikesell has never been fully healthy at Dayton.

Yes. His hip issue was what I believe was genetic. It affected his mobility.

My understanding is it was a result of youth (still growing), playing multiple sports, and one being a baseball pitcher which put a large strain on his hips.

X was never injured. He had a bad attitude about the new coach. He wanted to continue to fling three-point shots and Anthony wanted him to be more of a force in the paint. X made up ailments like a bad back and sore throat, and then there were the academic issues. He is gone and I hope Anthony gets a young man in here who is worthy of the Flyer uniform. X was not worthy of it.

Why are people so apprehensive to include Ryan Mikesell on the "can't wait to see him play" list.

He started numerous games on last year's team. Contributed quality minutes with a high BBall IQ. His IQ is probably at an all time high. His body will be healthy and ready to go. Because of his bball style - I think he will be ready to go from the blast of the starting gun.

He is finally not hampered by a genetic disorder.

Also - his ailment was not an accident. He didn't blow out a knee or similar which certainly challenges every athlete when they have returned to sports. He had sore hips and now they are not sore. I suspect that there is nothing that he can't do upon his return.

Why isn't there tremendous optimism that we have a healthy Ryan back on the team?