20-21 Season News/Discussion
 

@jeffborzello
Nebraska’s Cam Mack is transferring. Averaged 12.0 points and 6.4 assists.

Nebraska lost another guard to transfer earlier. Could rough be going for a potential Myrtle Beach opponent

179 assists with only 74 turnovers, well above a 2 to 1 ratio. Played a lot of minutes. Could be a good pick up to sit 1 then be here for two more when Clutch and Chatman graduate.

First ESPN bracketology of the 20-21 season.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology

Richmond 9, SLU 12, Wright State 14, Indiana 7, UCLA 6, Ohio State 5, North Carolina 5, Rutgers 7

Out: Cincinnati, BYU, SMC

Only 1 Mountain West team in the field: SDSU 4

If I'm not missing anyone looks like Loyola is the only Myrtle Beach team on there

SDSU at SLU in the A10/MW challenge...nice home game for SLU

https://atlantic10.com/news/2019/10/17/211814499.aspx:

2020 Atlantic 10 – Mountain West Challenge Series Matchups
Game times and television coverage to be announced at a later date

Tuesday, Dec. 1, 2020
Utah State at Davidson


Wednesday, Dec. 2, 2020
UNLV at VCU
St. Bonaventure at New Mexico


Saturday, Dec. 5, 2020
San Diego State at Saint Louis
George Mason at Fresno State
Boise State at Rhode Island
Air Force at Saint Joseph’s
Richmond at Colorado State
Duquesne at Wyoming


Sunday, Dec. 6, 2020
Dayton at Nevada

The altitude on those Front Range schools is gonna get someone

What is the cutoff date for getting all this coronavirus stuff straightened out before it starts potentially impacting the 20-21 college basketball season? The college football season is already close to being cancelled.

I'm not sure there's a hard deadline but if football goes down I'd have to think they'd knock out of the first part of college basketball at least

There is no way they will be cancelling the football season anytime soon. Way too much money involved. They will play games in empty stadiums before they cancel the season. Another possibility would be to only have conference games. BYU and ND would play each other every week.

I'm just speculating here but what happens if one an ACC ref after game is found out to test positive? What happens if a Notre Dame players tests positive?

Based on what's happening now it seems like they'd just shut the whole thing down

I read an article somewhere very recently that someone important in college football said playing in front of empty stadiums is not an option for college football.

Where did you get this information?

Will the 2020 college football season be canceled? Coaches, ADs weigh possibility and impact

The potential of not playing college football in 2020 exists, whether you want to admit it or not

https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ty-and-impact/

California Governor Gavin Newsome doesn't anticipate NFL in August or September

https://twitter.com/LindseyThiry/sta...31599988150273

“Jon Wefald, a former president of Kansas State, told the SEC Network’s Paul Finebaum that, if there’s no vaccine for COVID-19 by July, there probably won’t be a football season.”

https://www.ajc.com/blog/mark-bradle...rn7FE3mf9mroN/

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_bri...ue-to-pandemic

Well, I did not actually read the article until now, I just saw the headline, I assumed with the headline of the article saying that college football for 2020 is in a 4th and long situation, that cancellation was close. But, nowhere in the article does it say that cancellation of the college football season is imminent. But, the article does speculate that the start date of the season could be delayed, and the quality of play could be harmed.

So I was a little nervous that maybe somebody else besides Matos would hit the transfer portal, not to mention worrying about Jalen not coming back. But this tweet from Coach Solomon put my mind at ease....

https://twitter.com/coachASlo/status...87342167674880

First CBS bracketology for 20-21...similar to the ESPN picks upthread.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba.../bracketology/

Richmond 7, SLU 10

I am not sure if this has any merit or not.

D1 head coaches ranked from worst to first.

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/...rue&format=amp

121. Anthony Grant, Dayton
Score: 61
Raw Rank: T-43rd
Relative Rank: T-158th

2020’s National Coach of the Year by many publications checks in at #121 on this list, perhaps a tad lower than many would expect. Grant’s 2020 performance was the 6th best in the country from a preseason expectation standpoint, and his 2019 performance at Dayton was strong as well. However, Grant’s 2018 season was poor, and his Alabama tenure in which he led the Tide to just one KenPom top 50 finish in six years was mediocre at best.

Perhaps those running out of TP could run a copy of this list and use that when needed.

47. Archie Miller, Indiana
Score: 74
Raw Rank: T-26th
Relative Rank: T-112th

Congrats Indiana fans, your coach has landed in the top 50. Unfortunately, I fear this just isn’t good enough for a program of IU’s standards - a sentiment that has been whispered about Archie since he took the job in the 2017 offseason. You won’t be shocked to learn that Archie isn’t here because of his Indiana performance, but rather it’s his six-year tour at Dayton that has juiced his ranking. During that stretch as the Flyers’ pilot, Archie never once finished outside the top 100 in KenPom, and finished inside the top 50 thrice. He made four consecutive NCAA Tournaments and an Elite Eight as well.

Every year at Dayton, Archie exceeded preseason expectations. Every year at Indiana, Archie has fallen short. Could 2021 be his final year in Bloomington?

Pure B.S. I will take Coach Grant's combination of skills, experience, and character over any coach in the country today.

Funny. Alabama fans could have written similar comments about a coach who had previous success at VCU. Fans can be fickle about coaches.

Dilly dilly! :beermug:
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Leonard Hamilton, Anthony Grant and the Final Four we missed
Both believe there are lessons that the Florida State and Dayton programs can build on

https://theundefeated.com/features/w...anthony-grant/

@JonRothstein
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Boston University may not reopen until 2021 due to coronavirus.

The only reason Boston University should close is because Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez somehow earned a diploma from them in Economics.

BU is not the only University considering this option. It is not in the mainstream news cycle yet, but all major universities are evaluating.

Worth noting Boston University is, in nearly every respect, superior academically to Dayton, and Ocasio-Cortez earned two degree (economics and international relations) *** laude.

Here's hoping schools are open in the fall. It'd be a bummer for football and basketball (again) to be affected.

@dennisdoddcbs
NCAA's Dr. Carlos Del Rio, Emory U: "Honestly, I think this year is going 2 be really hard. How do you get people back 2 practice? How do you prevent people from getting sick? ... So far we've seen some very concerning trends. I've yet to see ourselves getting out of the woods."

@dennisdoddcbs
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Apr 11
Sobering from NCAA Dr. Carlos Del Rio: "I hate to say it but for this calendar year, we may never return to normal without a vaccine or some strategies in place."


I don't think anyone can predict the future on this but the tea leaves are there for this thing to drag on

I agree with this, all the happy talk from Washington not withstanding.

Amazing.

Crazy. Here in Ohio almost all of the 274 who have died are over 70 years old and no one under 30, and that’s out of 7000 confirmed positive tests. Maybe Boston College has a very old student population. https://www.cleveland.com/coronaviru...nd-trends.html

Yes, the same genius who thought a tax abatement was something that could be spent somewhere else. https://nypost.com/2019/02/17/de-bla...d-amazon-deal/

And those who work at the university (who are generally older than the students) are just supposed to hope for the best?

This post just made my morning. :D
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Plenty of reasons to dislike AOC, but intelligence isn't one of them. Crazy smart.

You must be joking. Crazy smart? She is a complete moron that consistently embarrasses herself with utter stupidity on virtually every issue.

I don't want to be political on this page, but really?!?! She was a bartender who's brother answered a casting call on her behalf, for a group looking to draft a candidate. When she goes off their script, that's when the real fun begins.

Anyhow, if they drop the school year, I expect other school's will follow.

I suggest you read post 33 above.

Exactly. Lost in this is the students who are underclassman, employees of the university, etc. Do they just go find a bubble to live in?

Yep, those schools must be hurting for cash. Must be why tuition has skyrocketed over the last 10 years or so.

I must admit, I don't exactly understand your cash/tuition statement in the context of why opening schools to in-person classes too soon could be a public health problem.

I was getting at the schools will still continue to spend on maintaining, heating, etc, the facilities. That takes cash. Most schools have grown endowments as tuitions have skyrocketed, they have a reserve.

Somewhat implied in BU's stance is that they do not agree with opening up any business. Otherwise the public health argument would be applicable to all businesses country wide. I just don't see that happening.

What about the kids that are about to graduate in the next year? What do they do? Transfer? What do the employees do? Just doesn't seem like it was thought out in the context of the balance of the state and country.

It's an easy tap in to cry "you don't care about the public's health" at a time like this. There's a need to balance in also that families will be able to survive financially.

OK, I get it now. Some schools are seemingly wealthier than small countries. Harvard's endowment is north of $40B!

I think you have to look at BU's stance in light of the fact that Massachusetts is getting hammered pretty hard by COVID -- #3 in the US in terms of cases, luckily not a lot of deaths yet. It seems to me that they're trying to read the tea leaves and are making the decision now that for at least the Fall 20 semester, classes will not be in person. I would imagine that like UD's summer, all classes will be online.

This decision may prove premature, only time will tell. Not knowing what their personnel and layoff situation or plans are, I certainly can't comment on how they're taking care of their people. In their defense, making decisions based on context of state and country probably isn't really in their lane.

There's a very simple and predictable explanation for this. The education bubble is caused by the federal government guaranteeing (and eventually outright subsidizing and providing) student loans.

Schools do their best to fancy up campus and provide ancillary benefits to trick parents/students into thinking it's worth it, but the quality of the education has not risen. Most would argue it has declined precipitously.

Call this rant off-topic if you wish, but when the bubble bursts you better believe institutions like UD will be impacted dramatically.

F'n laughable. What in the world would you know about the evolution of college curriculum over the past 20 years? It appears you've read a tweet about academia being a bubble, and it fit your worldview, and so now you'll run with it.

However, this post does encapsulate a lot of what goes on on this board; a bunch of white boomers pining for the days of the past, complaining about how things are; all while ensconced in their safe suburban homes.

Y'all would have to leave your hometowns to ever experience, much less understand, the world that goes on beyond your picket fences.

How does her employment in any way speak to her intelligence? What a crass, classist thing to say.

Me, I prefer my politicians to have followed the gilded path of knowledge: boarding school, to Ivy League, to dad's friend's finance firm, then into politics.

Her employment doesn't have anything to do with it. I've known many bartenders who were very intelligent. You show your own bias with your statement. Listening to her when she goes off script is what tells me all I need to know.

Now let's talk basketbsll.

I think realistically the team won't be back on campus to August at the earliest. The valuable summer practices/workouts, learning the system and pick up games with teammates are gone. Luke, Koby and RJ are gonna be behind the 8 ball missing the summer. I hope it isn't the case but I think it's gonna take them to longer to get integrated.

If the staff lands a grad transfer/juco they're gonna be behind missing the summer too

Everyone in D1 is gonna this issue so I think it's gonna take teams longer to gel. I hope we go Charmin Soft like Houston Baptist to start the season for the start so the team can learn on the fly

I really think we will be lucky to see a November and December basketball season. rumors are college football may move to the spring. at least watching the Ohio press conference, it’s becoming clear nothing will get back to normal until a vaccine is available. That’s a year at best.
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Talk about easily triggered - your post is embarrassing.


But there you are, being political.

Take this trash to the off-topic gibberish forum, where it belongs.

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Yeah - if we want to be political - lets look at the fact Trump cost The University of Dayton a national championship. If he had been focused and locked in and really locked things down and got testing kits out and made sure resources were put in place - there is a high probability the season would not have been canceled - not to mention nothing of all the deaths. When you objectively look at was was done or really not done from when he was first made aware of this - until Mid March - you will get angrier and angrier. This season would not needed to have been canceled if Trump was competent as a leader in crisis - and when history is written of this time it will not be kind to this administration. And any UD fan really knows deep down Trump cost us this post season and possible next season as well. Glad I voted for Joe Exotic last time.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :whiteflag:

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/65/24/20/6...f0af6f54a1.jpg

I can't tell if this is a joke or serious. I agree with Glen Clark and will save my political rants for the off-topic board. Not political at all though is the fact that sports have been cancelled worldwide in all countries, not just America.

I’m interested in hearing your counterpoint argument as to why the cost of higher education has increased at a much higher pace than inflation.

True confession, I am a white boomer that grew up on the east coast but have resided in Ohio since college graduation. So I am familiar with both east coasters and midwesterners that have no clue of what life is like outside their bubble. In other areas, I believe one does not have to have experienced something to understand there are different perspectives on things.

Oh it's a meme - that must make it factual! Rollo probably also believes that Gore also said he invented the Internet.

Ouch.

Let’s get to the point. I’m in the broad brush demographic you labeled the board. Unfortunately unemployed right now. However, my point which perhaps could have been worded better is that a decision was made well in advance without significant data or regard to the students or employees.

Further, the economic consequences for the school would be cushioned by endowments vs. the financial wherewithal of employees or impact to current students who would suffer an adverse impact.

The fact is that tuitions have gone up far above the rate of inflation, with exception of health care costs. At the same time, government rules and assistance for tuition were relaxed. Correlation or causation?

The conclusion that the board is incapable of understanding or appreciating current curriculum vs. that of years ago is a pretty big leap from comments on a board and the zip code they live in. Bringing race into the equation simply dilutes any credibility in your argument.

As to cost of tuition at UD, 1961-2 30 credit hours/yr $540. Retail price for the same 30cr in 2020 north of $44,000. That is an increase of over 80 times. However, I do believe the School of Business today is better than when I attended. And besides, the current students have their choice of salad bars, unheard of back in the day.

It's still a hell of a lot more intelligent than when the president goes off script, that's for sure

Hopefully the '20'21 season won't go to total off topic crap, as this Topic has. That is like 35 straight posts off topic. Someone will have to start a new thread on UD Basketball 20-21.

The most important player for next season is Jordy

Respectfully disagree. Believe it is Moulaye with a higher ceiling and the potential to back up Jordy, fill some of Treys and Ryan's shoes. Jordy has to prove he can stay in the game, and improve his handle.

Derrick Dukes on one the buy games in December (I think North Texas) said Jordy was on limited minutes by the staff still from his knee injury

I never saw any info other than that about how limited or how much the injury bothered him after that.

Maybe that held back for much of the season?

I've read your post a few times. Unless I'm missing something it does not seem to contain an actual argument.

I have no idea what the color of my skin has to do with the irrefutable facts in my post, but for whatever it may be worth to you I am a millennial.

EDITED TO ADD: RE the bubble, if you'd like to understand the business cycle and how it works I suggest checking out the Austrian school and their near exhaustive treatment of this topic.

Moulaye is gonna be huge as well

Weathers/Hughes, STL, Tre Mitchell, Silvos Santos, Grant Golden all still lurking out there

I wouldn't bet on either one in a Mensa challenge. But I would bet on Dayton winning the A10 next season.

Jack, OSU, and San Diego - appreciate your efforts but some people aren't getting the hint.

It is looking more and more likely that unless there’s a vaccine before the season starts, the best we can hope for is quarantined players and games without fans.

Not being able to practice in the summer is going to affect team development, but at least every other team will be equally affected...unless different states eliminate current restrictions at different times and with different rules, then all bets are off.

Updated April 14...it seems that there are no significant changes...although I did notice that Xavier went from a 9 seed to the next 4 out, that is a big change.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology

Actually, Lunardi wrote an explanation of his latest bracket, and he is now doing weekly offseason bracket updates.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ess-projection:

In the old days -- like, maybe, a year or two ago -- the post-Final Four bracket had a bit of a shelf life. Players would come and go from the NBA draft, an increasing number would transfer up or out, but the Bracketology enterprise would remain fairly stable until the draft itself.

No more. Every day there are new draft declarations, more transfer destinations announced and additional names entering the portal. That's not to mention grad transfers or the uncertain transfer waiver process.

In other words, one could argue there is as much bracket movement in April and May as on a busy Saturday in January or February. So, with golf courses closed and no way to use my Phillies tickets, we hereby move to weekly offseason bracket updates.

Joe is trying to carve out a job while fully unencumbered with knowledge. Can't really blame him for that. In the past at least he had real games to shore up his Brackets. Pretending to know all there is about transfers ( at 40/day !!) is ludicrous. Especially while pretending to know how they would effect next years brackets. While no one knows if there even is going to be a season is senseless. This is worse than watching the South American ESPN feed of 2005 soccer replays.

Remember how well the bracketologists did this year with their offseason/preseason brackets that they predicted based on transfers and those returning from NBA draft declarations? They all had us as a #1 seed...oh wait most of them didn't even have us in their bracket.

If the transfer rule doesn't change for this year how would this year's transfers have any bearing on how teams are going to fare. Wouldn't it be based on the transfers that sat last year?

Grad transfers

Not to defend Lunardi, but it would have an impact on the teams they left.

True, I did not think of that.

I try to ask the coaches about players from time to time.
Each of the last two season, coaches indicated big improvements in Obi's game. They also talked about the contributions of other redshirts etc.

I have not heard coaches say much about Moulaye. They indicated that he is very strong and has an athletic body, but not much else. That gives me a bit of hesitation. There is a reason why he was redshirted. Let's hope he develops a lot over the summer.

I met Moulaye and he is a very nice, soft spoken young man. I hope he does become a stud for UD, but I won't bank on it until some of the coaches start singing his praises more.

I like strong and athletic bodies. :)

I saw some of those strong athletic opponents shoot air balls from the free throw line against UD this year.

Typed and deleted several responses. I'll leave it at that.

I hope eat crow yet again on this but as long as I've followed Dayton if you're asking a freshman (redshirt or not) to be your savior you're gonna be disappointed.

Jalen Crutcher is the leading returning rebounder after the top 3 rebounders departed

Post defense and rebounding is a real question mark right now.

Unless schools are back to on-campus classes, I think it will be pretty hard to justify sports of any kind. I know it gets lost in the shuffle, but these are supposed to be student-athletes.

I applaud Coach for being optimistic about the returning players + the newbies. And only he knows the development path he has in store for them. That said we won't have an Obi for a guaranteed 107 dunks. Obi and Crutch are going to miss each other.

AG wasn't named COY for nothing. We have a chance to be good considering we have probably a full year (unfortunately) to develop some more. I think we will be proud of the product that finally takes the court. But it isn't a sure bet as to who, when, and what.

The new normal is looking like several decades of the previous normal, which isn't hateful.

Top 2020 recruit chooses G League
 

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...green-decision

This could profoundly change the college landscape. All the one-and-done’s are more likely to go make $ in the G league instead of playing for the elite college teams.

Is an NCAA rule change around the corner?

I didn't realize that the NBA had made that change. When did that happen?

I don't think an NCAA rule change impacts this, I think everyone assume the NBA will change their rules to allow HS kids go straight to the NBA. I'd love to see them expand that, and go something similar to baseball and either go to the NBA/G-league out of HS or go to college for a min. of 2 years.

Roughly a year ago, but its only for the G-league, after 1 year, he would enter the NBA draft. But as mentioned in my post above, everyone expects the 1 year rule lifted by the NBA soon.

If you hate school or can't hack it, go to G League. If you are really good, like an Obi, how do you trade the value of all the exposure, praise and press he got, for being on some third rate TV channel every few weeks and playing before a few hundred fans. Obi will make that money back tenfold.

I'm curious what if anything people can do as far as conditioning and skill development can do on lock down

So this is part of what the new deals look like:

"Green is planning to sign a lucrative deal that is well over the initial $125,000 salary that the G League released when it announced this program over two years ago, industry sources told 247Sports. The potential salary is expected to be north of $500,000, per sources.

Green is also actively in discussions to sign an endorsement deal with a shoe company, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation told 247Sports.

While Green is signing up to play in the NBA G League, multiple sources told 247Sports this won't be a normal G League setup and the program will be tailored for Green and other elite high school recruits."

That’s all well and good, but I’m sure the NBA, television, and big-time sports merchandising companies will be footing the bill for the new-look G League. No way they have that kind of payroll with attendance of 2,500 a game in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.
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This probably helps some of the NBA teams from making dumb draft decisions. Keeps them drafting lottery picks, paying them a ton of money and seeing them go bust.

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops

VCU’s Marcus Santos-Silva announces he is transferring. Had previously declared for the Draft.

Forward averaged 12.8 points and 8.9 boards this past season for the Rams.

We all know Santos-Silva was better than Jacob last year...but with Jacob transferring to KY and Williams from Duquesne transferring to Oregon...is this the new normal for the A10? Players thinking P5+1 opportunities abound? Are we going to be calling this the Jacob Pandemic for years to come?

Sure looks like it. If this new no-sitting-out transfer rule passes, then IMO the situation will only get worse. This possible new transfer rule sounds like it could be an absolute disaster for non-p5 schools.

http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?src=desktop


Updated today...SLU 11, Richmond 9...no sign of Xavier or UC...SDSU drops down to a 10

The reason why Lunardi dropped SDSU 6 seed lines:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ket-projection:


In few team sports, and perhaps no major sport, is a single transcendent player more impactful than basketball. Larry Bird can lift an Indiana State to the Final Four. Danny Manning can will an otherwise ordinary Kansas team to a national championship. Obi Toppin can turn Dayton into a No. 1 seed.

In college basketball, one player can indeed make all the difference. Unfortunately, San Diego State is about to learn that lesson the hard way.

After a mandatory redshirt season, Flynn became a first-team All-America performer and carried the Aztecs to a 30-2 record. It was a breakthrough few, if any, predicted.

Similarly, who could blame SDSU fans for asking "what if?"

The "what if" in this case is a hit of at least six seed lines in terms of NCAA projection. The Aztecs could still be favored in the Mountain West, but an at-large bid is anything but guaranteed and the kind of single-digit seed that could set up a deep NCAA run is now a fantasy. San Diego State is back to its more common designation as a bubble team.

It's not Malachi Flynn's fault. It's not the NCAA's fault. It's just the way it is.

So maybe the NBA one and done rule is going away, so the top p5 schools may lose that pipeline, so maybe the p5 now wants no-waiting transfers so they can have unencumbered poaching in order to replenish their rosters every year.

That's what David Cox thinks...

I’m tempted to agree with David Cox on this issue.
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I think there's some issues at VCU beyond just Silvos-Santos wanting to transfer up

Someone on Twitter said that it looked like the team quit on Rhodes last year and I would have to agree with that. Could be some chemistry/locker room issues

Well if 'someone on twitter' said it it must be true.