A10 championship
 

RI hangs on to defeat St Joe, Bonnies fall victim to Davidson. I think the wildcats take title, playing well as of late and both RI and Bonnies fading as of late.

Think that knocks the Bonnies out as they won't give 3 bids to a weak A10.

If RI wins it either Davidson or Bonnies could get a four in at the arena.

I Disagree
 

If Davidson wins the A-10 sends 3 teams to the Dance. It will be hard to leave SBU out with their good vitals.

Mentioned by Jon Rothestein i believe; Davidson wins, 3 from A10 go. Looks like the league wasn't as bad as all thought.

Would be good for league but thought saw where Bonnies needed to win it to get in. First four out. Hope they all get in but don't trust the committee.

Nope, still bad.

The second at-large bid for the A10 is more dependent on what happens in a lot of other conferences now. Is St Mary's better than Davidson or St B? Some more dominoes have to fall and the A10 could easily end up on the wrong side of that and get a royal screwing.

St. Bonaventure is a 9 seed in Lunardi's bracketology. I would be shocked if they drop from 9 to all the way out. Their loss today may be a blessing in disguise, as it may drop them to a 10 seed. Anything to avoid a #1 seed in the second round is good, although this year may have some of the weakest #1's in recent memory(i.e Xavier).

10 of 12 games go to the higher seed to date.

I can't believe people are still questioning whether the Bonnies are in. It doesn't matter who wins the A10 tournament or any other tournament. SBU is dancing. Any doubters want to lay some money down? PM me.

I believe that if Davidson wins the A10, Rhodey will get an at large, and the A10 has not justified 3 bids this season in the eyes of the Selection Committee. St B deserves it, but their fate is in the hands of the SC. And we know stranger things have happened. Never trust a jury.

No way St. Bona gets left out. They are 17 spots ahead of the cut line. Their RPI is 26. They are safely in.

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

As of yesterday, UD Pride RPI had the Bonnies at 21 and UNF Dance Card had them at 29. Dance Card had the cut at 46 (as in 47 or higher was out). Hard to picture the Bonnies dropping all the way out after a loss to Davidson the day before Selection Sunday. Not saying it can’t happen. Just saying it’s highly unlikely.
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2016 dance card had the bonnies in the tourney. They were wrong.
http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance2016.htm
I hope they are right this time but you never know for sure

You are way off, the Bonnies have been a lock for 2 or 3 weeks now. The A10 gets 3 bids if Davidson wins tomorrow.

Leagues don't get bids, teams do.

That’s the way it is supposed to be but I believe the committee members do look at conference affiliation and manipulate things.
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Bonnies "should" be in. The result of the A10 finals probably won't affect the Bonnies, unless they're more dangerously close to the "cut-line" than most projections have them.

Davidson has virtually NO CHANCE at an at-large, which is to say they're probably 8-10 spots down below the "cut-line". It would take some kind of game/performance and extraordinary circumstances today for Davidson to lose and get an invite.

Every year the committee does a couple WTF moments putting in teams that don't belong and leave out teams that do. I'm just saying the committee is P5 biased.

He's certainly not "way off". It's plausible the Bonnies could get left out, if for no other reason than 2016's ridiculous snub. But the Bonnies are likely in.

Lunardi has them just 5 off the "cut-line", so it's not absurd.

Andy Katz did an interview with Rasmussen last night. The #1's are set. The At-Large's are set. They have two brackets, one if URI wins, one if Davidson wins. All that's left is seeding/locations. 2 brackets are built. They are just organizing them now. If SBU doesn't make it, it will be an enormous outrage. They are going to do everything they can to include the likes of Syracuse,Az.St,Okla,Okie St,Louisville,Mizzou....i.e bum teams that shouldn't be in. The MTSU,SBU and Nevada's of the world get screwed.

KenPom was just on 700WLW breaking things down and BRob is spot on...Davidson wins and the A10 gets 3. Bonnies are not on the bubble.

KenPom pretty much said that other than Davidson v URI, all of today's games are meaningless.

Bum teams?? Some of those "bum teams" deserve to be in. Not all of them, certainly. But 2 or 3 of those 6 would be considered reasonable. If 5 or 6 of those "bum teams" get in, then there should be an outrage. For the record, I don't think Mizzou belongs in the same context as those other 5 you mention.

^^^^Agreed with Mizzou, got loose on that one. But i tire quickly of 12,13 and 14 loss P5 schools getting in over 6,7 and 8 loss teams from high mid-majors...CUSA,MWC,A-10,AAC etc.

If Davidson wins I hope the Committee Chair announces which team’s bid got stolen. Hoping it’s not Bonnies or St. Mary’s. Still hard to believe Dayton would have been left out in 2015 had the AAC Championship game gone the other way. But happy for the transparency from the Committee.

So do I. I love the scrappy high/mid major who earns enough cred during the season to garner an at-large but loses it at the expense of an average P5 team.

Mizzou is not one of those. Cuse is one of those. So is Louisville. Ok St? They may get in, particularly with how they've been playing. Oklahoma and ASU is a toss up and my gut says just 1 of those gets in. So I would be OK if only 2 of those 5 gets in. 3 and I will raise my eyebrow. 4 or more and it's anarchy.

Oklahoma is garbage right now. I know its total body of work but they are 4-11 in the last half of the season.

Put the Sun Devils in that same boat. I like the transparency quote a couple of posts ago. If Davidson wins i reeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaalllllllyyyyyy want to know who gets bumped. It better not be Nevada,SBU or SMC. Hell i think MTSU deserves to be in. Soooooooooooo tired of hearing about 12 and 13 loss P5 schools. I don't want to root for Davidson, but i have too. Just hope it's not at SBU's expense.

“Gathering steam”. SMDH!
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I hate to say it, but St. Mary's is probably screwed.
Their strength of schedule is in the 270's, and they only had one good win(Gonzaga).

I think they are a good team that deserves to get in, but I bet they don't.

Read one prognostication that said for Danny Hurrley to get in, Bobby Hurley had to win today.

I am pretty sure Pitt gets in. Sure they did not win a conference game but then look who they played:
Virginia
Duke
North Carolina
Etc Etc
Just playing those teams means they deserve a spot in the tournament.

This Davidson/RI is a battle. RI just went up by 1 with about 4 to go. It is their first lead in this half. Neither team shooting well.

Note to Hurley, close your mouth. You look like a dweeb standing there with your mouth wide open.

Rhody free throw shooting hurting them 9-17
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C'mon Davidson, hang on!

Great defense by Davidson on those last two RI possessions, and all day. Great game and win for Davidson.

Should now be 3 A10 teams in - way to go Davidson!

Yep, that is 3 for sure.

The Madness has begun!

Congrats, Davidson! Do us all proud this week!

And, Go Bonnies & Go Rams, too!
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Congratulations to the Davidson Wildcats; Good luck A10 schools in the NCAA'S. That game and crowd looked great for the A10 on National TV.

For all of us, like myself, who complain about UD having no bench, Davidson had only 2 bench points.

Excellent point. What I really like about Davidson is that every player that sees the floor can D up, put the ball on the floor, spot up, and shoot free throws.

Had three guys who could score the basketball. Always seemed to know what to do at both ends. We get to see Grady for the next three years. They all seemed to let the game come to them in every aspect.
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Davidson is a dangerous team. I wouldn’t want to face them in March. Great coach and solid senior players is a good recipe for winning big games.

Bob McKillop can coach. He'd be a household name at a bigger school

Congrats to DA____ON on winning the A10 Tournament. Hopefully DA__ON will win it next year. :rolleyes:

Lots of great games and energy in DC (observations from my couch). The A-10 should be very happy with things this year. Even the Flyers played their parts in a game they had a very good chance of winning.

The CBS announcers commented that Davidson finds it hard to recruit in their area being 5th fiddle so they have adapted very well with international recruiting. Good for them. Not saying we have same problem- be we should try a little more of that.

Davidson's biggest problem is that it's one of the best academic schools in the country. It's a top ten liberal arts college with Williams, Amherst, etc.

They don't give athletes much of a break admission wise or in the classroom

I just hope the bid Davidson stole was either Syracuse or ND!

yeah, but you need 4 or 5 PLAYUHZ to get things done without a bench. We have like 2 , 3 when on all cylinders.

This year. Hopeful for 4 to 6 solid guys next year.... with 2 to 3 capable off the bench.

Don't worry. SBU is a lock to be "considered". Book it.

ESPN today:

"Davidson: Needed this victory for an NCAA bid, given that it entered the A-10 tourney with an RPI of 74, a 108th ranking in strength of schedule and a 3-6 record against Quadrant 1 teams. Now not only do the Wildcats get to play on, but they probably took away an at-large berth from someone else."

Of course URI will be in. The question the SC committee faces is the 8th selection from the Big 12 better than the 3rd selection from the A10? Stay tuned. Let's see, mid major vs Big 12. Probably no bias there. Hmmm. I hope SBU gets in.

Selection Show starts at 6:00 ET. Anyone know what time the bracket is scheduled to leak out?

5 minutes after JoeyBrackets get his copy. Look for last minute changes to his predictions

A10 gets the three bids. That's good, as we still look like relevant.

Getting 3 is good.
Having the Bonnie’s play UCLA in the PIG is not.

RPI doesn't matter for A10 teams, quadrant wins do

What Bonnies in play in game, thought they were sure thing. Gotta prove committee wrong, go Bonnies, Wildcats and Rhodies

At least Bonnies familiar with UD Arena and might get a home crowd feel.

They were a sure thing. They could have absorbed 2 more conference tourney upsets by bid stealers and still made it. Never a doubt.

Flyer fans going to First Four should wear brown to the St. Bonny game. Support our A10 brethren!
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They announced that it was ND!

Bonnies got "Daytoned 2015". Inexcusable. Davdison almost cost the Bonnies an NCAA bid. Its frightening. Put St. Bonaventure or St. Marys or Middle Tennessee in the SEC or PAC10 or Big 12 and they would finish ahead of some of those teams getting at-larges.

When you're a P5 school you get 15 opportunities to win a resume-building game. All you need to do is go 5-10 and you're set. At a non P5 school, you might get 3-5 of those games a year. You have to go 3-1 or 4-1 -- usually neutral or on the road.

Whats easier? 5-10 with 1/2 of those on your home court, or 4-1 with all but perhaps one on your home court? The margin for error and buying power P5 schools get regarding the number of bad losses purchased by a good win is getting out of control. You beat West Virginia and you earn five train wrecks. Youre in the same league as West Virginia. You should have similar resources and similar talent. It should be apples to apples within your own flock.

St Bonnies in the play in and Oklahoma is a crime

Clearly they're putting value on Quad 1 wins

Well, it wasn’t Syracuse, considering they got in.

I'm guessing St. Mary's.

One of the guys on the show picked St. Bon to beat UCLA. Then he said that whoever won the play in game, whether SBU or UCLA, they beat Houston. Go SBU.

Amen. North Carolina with 6 teams. All four D1 teams in the Raleigh/Durham area make it. Davidson gets in, but their closest schools, Wake Forest and Charlotte, do not.

Not even Chris R is with you as he said Davidson win almost cost Bonnies an invite. Like I posted in first post Bonnies could be one of the first four in.....and that is how it played out.

We were fortunate to get 3 teams in with big names the committee likes to place in the tourney. Even though Bonnies were very deserving the P5 bias exists. That's the reality of the NCAA

How many members on the selection committee are from non P5/NBE conferences? At least 5 of them. So, wth are they doing on selection day?

The Bonnies were a sure thing, and the A10 got 3 bids. I do not recall anybody predicting anything regarding what the seeds would be.

The bottom line is that the Bonnies got in and the A10 got 3 bids, like some on here, such as myself, predicted, but I agree that the Bonnies got jobbed on their seed, but there is nothing that can be done about that, p5 bias is, and always will be, here to stay.

The committee had several heavy weights to consider for the last four in. Arizona State, Louisville, Notre Dame, USC, Syracuse, UCLA, and the Bonnies, I commend the committee for not caving in and giving it to the big boys. Bonnies while deserving was a light weight in that class and not a sure thing in my opinion. None of the last 4 in were sure things.

Glad the Bonnies made it in but it was nip and tuck.

You mean you didn't "book it" several weeks ago? I was told they were a "lock". :rolleyes:

Lesson is---don't ever think you know what the jury is going to do.

They all want jobs at bigger schools someday so they don't want to slight the P5/NBE either because they want their new school to get in someday too.

Remember all too well dayton was a projected 9 seed then on the show we were last one in. Played Providence at the arena if I recall correctly and advanced.

Think Louisville was snubbed due to recent scandals but both ND and Louisville fans travel well and NCAA likes buts in seats.

Feel Bonnies can take bruins and florida.

Played Boise St at the Arena and Providence in Columbus in a "home" game.

Played Boise at The Arena and then Providence in a "home game" at Columbus...Eddie Cooley still hasn't gotten over it.

**** Lifelong Flyer beat me to it!!!

It was a joke based on how close they actually ended up to the cut line. You're not familiar with sayings like 'Had it all the way" or "Never a doubt"on close calls?

A couple points, since you went here/there.

1. Read my posts in the thread. I said the Bonnies were "likely in" and "should be in" and that it's "plausible they could get left out, if for no other reason than their ridiculous 2016 snub."
2. You posted that IF RI wins (which they didn't), then it could be Davidson OR the Bonnies in the four in Dayton. You were 1) suggesting that Davidson could still get an at large if they lost and 2) that not all three teams would get in. You said Davidson winning would likely keep the Bonnies out, as the A10 wouldn't get 3 teams, or more precisely "A weak A10 won't get 3 bids." In summary, you were wrong across the board.
3. Why so salty on the A10 or pessimistic about the Committee(s) re: the A10? You seem to have such a chicken little, glass is half empty, debbie downer about all of it. Very quick to suggest that boom, there goes the Bonnies the bid. A10 is weak. We'll get screwed. The GW thread over on the Women's board you have several posts after they lost to GW in the semis where you comment about Green and team talking about their next game and you post, "Yeah, in the WNIT." "I think this was their last game as the A10's a one bid league this year." and "Think we sit out this year."

Did some dude from _avier always steal your lunch money in high school? Did your best friend from Ohio State keep stealing your girlfriend? Why do you always think the other shoe is going to fall?

I like the Bonnies to win one. Perhaps two games.

A lot of posters "predicted" that SBU would be in, and you get credit for being one of them as well. There were services clear up to selection time that cast doubt by saying SBU "should be in". Only fools said it was a lock. It's not a lock until the SC says so. Davidson put doubt in a lot of peoples thoughts. That brought St Mary's and Baylor back into the discussion, right or wrong.