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Old 03-04-2018, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
Facilities and fan supports an ingredient but if you're not consistently winning across coaches it doesn't matter. There's no guarantee on their side the Dayton wouldn't be a bottom feeder.

Dayton and St Louis have flashes of successes but consistent enough or across multiple coaches. What value does either program bring to the Big East? They've got a national title 5-6 bids to the NCAA's every year. To them it's no guarantee the program does anything and they have to cut us in on NCAA/Fox money

I discount the Jesuit angle or Xavier doesn't want to share Ohio angle.

In 2013 when the decision was made Creighton had 9 NCAA appearances since 1999. That's more than Dayton and St Louis put together in that time span.
I said Creighton had more success over a longer time frame than either UD or SLU, so I agree with that part of the argument against UD or SLU in the BE. Both programs have had to "earn it", and neither has a 10-15 year record of consistent NCAA berths to fall back on. Have they won? Yes, but not for as long as Creighton, or as consistently as Creighton.

Regarding your second point, I have personal experience with old-guard Marianist/Jesuit animosity, and the people who made the decision in re who to invite to the initial "BE Expansion" party weren't a bunch of 30-something Ivy League MBAs, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that part of it. And, if I'm Xavier, I want the "fishing hole" to myself, and I won't share it with UD until I'm forced to. Human nature among the powerful. How much is "enough"? I'll have to agree to disagree on that part of the argument as well.

And regarding fan support and the rest of your point, I didn't say anything about that in this thread.
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