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Old 02-24-2018, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by THirt View Post
Every time I think “a real person cannot possibly be this dumb,” the same post goes up again.

This line of thinking is willfully obtuse and full of straw man arguments.

First, NOBODY is crying that UD can not afford to play one fewer home game a year. Some people understand how the scheduling works and some others (such as ud2) simply do not understand reality. Reality includes such things what ud69 just added - it takes two teams to agree to dates and locations, and sorry; that simply isn’t that easy. Even if two teams want to play each other, agree that it would work, there are a lot of moving parts. Several dates are off the table due to planned exempt tournaments. You probably don’t want to have a difficult round trip travel right before or right after a trip to say, Maui, Anaheim, the Bahamas... You probably want a winnable game as the home opener, but a decent school, not a total cupcake for that game. But guess what? So do about 50-75 other schools who are around the same level as UD. You have other schools’ travel in mind too... Ball State was about the perfect home opener for UD this year. A reasonably close, decent school with some veterans returning who will end up decent by the end of the season. You want to play at least one more decent game before the exempt tourney to get some experience and challenge for your team, but depending on the dates of the upcoming tournament and when the season starts, you might only have a handful of available dates. This year for example we played on Friday Nov 10, I think the first possible day we could have. The first game of the Charleston tourney was the following Thursday. Should we have tried to squeeze in a road game on Sunday at say, Georgia? Two days after our home opener, a couple days before three games in four days? Should we have played that Monday? Two days before three games in four days? I picked Georgia because they are a P5 team reasonably close to Charleston, and not already in the event (Clemson, Auburn already in, I dunno if South Carolina would want to play us since AG and Frank Martin are buddies and they are coming off a Final Four...) Georgia doesn’t want to play a Sunday night home game, or maybe even a Monday home game (and again, we’d be stupid to play a road game on Monday before 3 games in 4 days). Georgia didn’t want to play those days anyway, and they wanted a cupcake so they played SC Upstate on that Tuesday. So in my made up scenario of playing one team in that week, there’s a bunch of layers of complication and it just isn’t that simple to call up Georgia and say hey, we want to play you on Monday November 13 at 7 pm - deal? This scenario assumes Georgia would even take the phone call from Dayton asking if we can play them home and home. Before we move to the next point, please try to give me some reasons why Georgia wants to play Dayton in a home and home.

Second of all, as many, many, many people have pointed out many, many, many times (and you’re either too dense or too rude to read), our non conference schedule has not been a problem for us in terms of positioning for an NCAA bid. Not once. Not one time. No year in recent memory. We made the NCAA tournament as an at-large team each of the last 4 seasons. Every year in which we were close over the last 15-ish years or so, we were left out because of a poor performance in conference. Please please please find us one instance where UD did not get selected as an at-large team because of a poor non conference schedule. It’s a pretty simple request. Find us one season where UD was snubbed because of our non conference schedule.

So even if we magically get two quadrant 1 teams to agree to home and home series, you really think that would improve us 20 spots in the RPI and 3-5 seed lines? Are you serious? If we had played South Carolina instead of Winthrop, and Virginia instead of VMI you think that would have made us a 2 seed last year? That is utter foolishness. Nonsense. Magical thinking. Poppycock. Maybe someone can crunch the numbers and see what a road win at Virginia (and by the way, yeah right we are going to win @ UVa) and a home win vs the Gamecocks would do to the RPI but you think that would be 20 spots better and 3-5 seed lines? Even if we operate under the outrageous assumption that we would win both of those games, that’s highly doubtful. This also assumes that Virginia wants to play a home and home with Dayton AND they can start at home on Dec 23 AND host Dayton in between road games @ Cal and Louisville AND that UD wants to play @ UVa two days after hosting Vanderbilt AND that South Carolina wants to play a home and home with Dayton AND that they can play @ UD on Dec 3, two days after a home game against Vermont.

Then, you think we would win two quadrant 1 games, one of which is on the road, and this would help us because we would... make less money by giving up a home game but make up for it by getting a two seed? Um, okay?

Somehow, this is also conflated with the Arena upgrades... which are/were sorely needed. We really needed to update things like wiring, piping, infrastructure stuff, and we couldn’t really do those things without a major overhaul, which guess what? Costs a lot of money, which has been/is being raised specifically for the upgrades, including such things (as has been pointed out time and time again) as better seats, luxury boxes, a team store, a new ticket office, better kitchens for cooking, better concourses and traffic patterns, ADA-compliant seating (we could not do major upgrades without fixing this, as a lot of things were not up to code but were grandfathered in as long as we didn’t do any significant upgrades)... but guess what? Nobody wants to pony up $$$ for better sump pumps and more handicapped seating unless we also get more amenities, better scoreboards, better sound system, wider concourses, better food...

But you’re suggesting that should be paid for because we play one more home game a year? So, let’s say UD clears $1,000,000 profit for a home game (I doubt the number is that high, but this is for argument’s sake). In the one extra home game per year, it would only take us until about 2080 until we raised enough to pay for the Arena upgrades. You’re arguing that UD thinks this is a good idea? Or are you arguing that the two extra quadrant 1 victories a year would get us 3 or 4 more NCAA credits a year every year and then... we’d have enough to finance the Arena upgrades by 2030?

It is just so weird that you continue to make the same uninformed, ignorant, foolish arguments, don’t actually understand any counterpoint, don’t try to learn anything, and just spew the same garbage in post after post, thread after thread. It is so tiresome.
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1. The cost/expense argument has been brought up MANY times on here, so I absolutely disagree on that point.

2. Ball State was our best ranked buy game this year, so I disagree there with your facts, but I do agree on the need to open up with an easy/easier buy game.

3. We just made the NCAAT 4x in a row. The best seed we got was a 7. Are you satisfied with a 7 after the best run in school history? Under Archie, we were at the point where we were no longer playing to make the NCAAT, we were playing for seeding. I feel like it is time to drop 2 buy games. I agree that the schedule is not preventing NCAAT bids, as I have acknowledged SEVERAL times now.

4. Playing 2 home and homes would help us with seeding. Yes, we would obviously take a small hit with $.

5. Please explain again your second to last paragraph, I need that spelled out to me again, I am not sure if I am understanding your explanation.

6. I just do not understand how several of our peers have been able to play a 15/15 over multiple seasons, but we have not. I will agree that things have changed recently, so there are fewer opportunities and things are more difficult now, but can you honestly tell me that NOT ONCE OVER THE LAST 30 OR 35 YEARS, that we have not had the opportunity to exchange 2 buy games for 2 decent home and home series? I simply can not believe that this is the case. THAT TOTALLY STRETCHES CREDULITY!

7. Rpi wizard: drop the 2 worst buy games, Tennessee Tech and Georgia State and replace with a home and home against #42 Boise State and #46 Temple. I bet Boise and Temple would agree to a series. Is that a reasonable assumption? Yes or no?

Current schedule: rpi 122, sos 52

New schedule, assuming a win at Boise and a win over Temple at UD Arena: rpi 116, sos 46

I think that could be worth maybe a 2 or 3 seed improvement. So, go from a 7 to a 4 or 5. Am I wrong?

Last edited by ud2; 02-24-2018 at 04:24 AM..
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