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Originally Posted by Figgie123 This is incorrect. UD's 0-2 record against VCU is considered WORSE than Duquesne's 0-1 record versus VCU. Therefore, a 2 way tie between Duquesne and Dayton, if Duquesne beats UD on the final Saturday would put Duquesne ahead of Dayton.

Is there a scenario that could produce a two-way tie between Duquesne and Dayton without any other teams involved?

I forgot about the 0-2 vs 0-1 tie breaker - that could be a problem in a multi team tie as well. George Mason, SBU, SLU, and Duquesne are all 0-1 against VCU, but only GMU has them Tuesday (really doesn't matter since they beat us head to head). Every other team in the bunch only played VCU once. Seems kind of like a double penalty - you play the best team twice and your are penalized worse than a team with an eaiser schedule. I understand that it is designed to give the better teams a shot at "at-larges", but it didn't play out this year.

Multi team tiebreakers that make it beyond "best record of the group" do not look good for us. (i.e. two team tie breakers).

Let's assume we win Tuesday and lose next Saturday. We are playing for 3rd or 4th at best. Two spots for these 4 teams

SBU wins out 12-6
GMU wins out 12-6
DUQ wins out 12-6

Dayton finishes 12-6
Two way tie with any team accept SBU - Dayton would lose.

Dayton record against the group 2-2
GMU against the group 2-2
DUQ against the group 2-3
SBU against the group 2-2


Now assuming SBU drops a game and falls out leaving a 3 way tie with GMU and DUQ...

Dayton record against the group 1-2
GMU against the group 1-1
DUQ against the group 2-1

We get left out in that three way tie.

We need to win and need SLU and VCU to win Wednesday. I have a headache now from crunching this.

I stated earlier that a Dayton win and SBU loss would lock us, but I am not so sure now.

That *&*&%$! Rhode Island game.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.