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Old 11-13-2017, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rollo View Post
Here are some NCAA Rule definitions...RED is the Rule, Blue is my comment...follow along:

Section 5. Dead Ball
Art. 1.
The ball shall become dead or remain dead when:

a. Any goal is made.
b. It is apparent that the free throw will not be successful on a free throw for
a technical foul or a false double foul or a free throw that is to be followed
by another free throw.
c. A held ball occurs or the ball lodges between the backboard and the ring
or comes to rest on the flange.
d. An official blows the whistle except when the try is in flight.
e. Time expires for a half or extra period.
f. An official blows the whistle when a foul is committed by a shooter’s
teammate before the ball is released for a try for goal.
g. An official blows the whistle when any floor violation (Rules 9-3 through
9-15) occurs, there is basket interference or goaltending (Rule 9-17) or
there is a free-throw violation by the free-thrower’s team (Rule 9-1).

So when the refs blew the whistle for the foul, the ball is dead and no scoring can happen.

Art. 2.
The ball shall become live when:

a. On a jump ball, the ball leaves the official’s hand.
b. On a throw-in, the ball is at the disposal of the thrower-in.
c. On a free throw, the ball is at the disposal of the free-thrower.

When the ref passes the ball to the shooter, the ball becomes live and a team can score!

At this point and well before the FT is taken, the whistle blows and - see above - Rule 5.1.d states the ball becomes 'dead'.

2 seconds after the whistle/dead ball, the FT is shot and is good. But it happened during a 'dead ball' situation...

Art. 2.
After a dead ball, play may be resumed in one of the following three ways:

jump ball,
by placing the ball at the disposal of the thrower-in or
by placing the ball at the disposal of a free-thrower.

Which means that the only way we can get to a live ball situation is to take the ball from the FT shooter and pass it back to him, essentially making the 'dead ball' become 'live'.

So let's review what happened:

Whistle blows (dead ball) shooter awarded 2 FTs.
Ref passes ball to FT shooter (live ball)
Ref blows whistle (dead ball)
FT shooter attempts and makes FT (during a dead ball)
Refs huddle and determine the FT counts because they were in a 'live ball' situation(???).


The only way the FT can count is if the refs determined that the ball was in flight when they blew the whistle. The whistle was clearly blown before the shot attempt was made, so what was the official explanation?

Royally inquiring minds want to know!







Rollo, thanks for the research. Given the above, I can almost guaran****tee you the explanation given was ball in flight. We had Winkin', Blinkin, and Nod for our officiating crew Fri night.
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