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Originally Posted by springborofan View Post
In today's world of grad transfers, a coach risks developing a player only to see part their investment go bye-bye his fifth year...
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
absolutely a risk but I think that's mitigated potentially have more coaching stability than we've had before with AG and the level of program we have. If you're transferring up out of here, presumably you're going to a higher level P5 program. It would suck to lose a 5th year guy to Kansas but it would nice to have a guy who's good enough to go to that level.

We've had 5th year guys here and we haven't lost one yet.

I think that programs that get burned by grad transfer are at lower level than Dayton or lost their coach.
There is some risk is that you're investing 5 years vs. 4 when you really don't know if the extra development is going to pay off. And there is also risk that you burn the redshirt when you could need it later on for a medical situation. But yes, the primary risk is that it does pay off, but not for Dayton, as it sets up the potential for a kid to use Dayton a stepping stone to get to a better program to play out his last year of eligibility.

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
What makes Gonzaga different from every other NCAA Sweet 16 team
Well, Gonzaga has a coach that ain't going anywhere, and they are in the NCAA tourney every year. Assuming that Grant doesn't want to use Dayton as a stepping stone (been there, done that and the whole alum thing), then Dayton can mitigate the risk by being a program that you just wouldn't want to transfer out of (i.e. Gonzaga). If you are a senior and you think Dayton can make a deep tourney run, you're not looking at another program, even if you've got the free pass as a grad transfer.

But when it comes to sitting bigs for a year of development, DAYTON HAS IN FACT DONE THIS A BUNCH RECENTLY. It's just they're doing it in a different way, and in a way that Gonzaga can't. What Dayton has done recently is admit three bigs -- Kostas, Big Steve and Obadiah Toppin -- who were deemed non-qualifiers by the NCAA who therefore would sit, similar to a redshirt big at Gonzaga would. Also, I think this was the plan with Devon Scott, who was very borderline, but managed to get through the clearinghouse.

Anyway, the key point Dayton vs. Gonzaga here is that the WCC does not permit admission of a nonqualifier on athletic scholarship. Several other conferences prohibit or restrict that has well. The A10 allows it however and Dayton has at least attempted to take advantage of this rule, going after guys that other programs, like a Gonzaga, can't go after.
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