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Sam Miller enrolls at the College of Charleston

Good Luck to him! Hopefully he gets his head on straight

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lhsgolf for the win. Let's combine the two threads

Sam will probably fit in well at C of C.
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Even without the incident, I think this is best for all involved. Sam Miller just never fit into what the Flyers were trying to accomplish, especially on defense. He seemed to be nothing more then a body fill in his 2 seasons here. And it seemed to me he would make our defensive issues worse not better under AG's system

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I hope he can get his head on straight and become a productive member of society. And if he can help the program at Charleston, all the better.

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Hope he has a good career, gets a good education, job, and contributes to society in a positive manner.
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If he wants to drink and party, that is a great town and school. Hopefully he has learned his lesson, because the temptations there will be great.

Now let's go get that quality big guy.
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Do you really want another big guy instead of a stud Point Guard? I would much rather have the guard based on the make-up of this team for next year. With Mikesell and Toppin joining Cunningham, Kostas, Xman, Svoboda, and Pierce I think we have enough big men.

Trey is a tweener who can play down low in A10.

That leaves us with only 4 guards again: Crutcher, Crosby, Davis, Cohill. I would go for a True Point guard, that's the most glaring need imo...
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Do you really want another big guy instead of a stud Point Guard? I would much rather have the guard based on the make-up of this team for next year. With Mikesell and Toppin joining Cunningham, Kostas, Xman, Svoboda, and Pierce I think we have enough big men.

Trey is a tweener who can play down low in A10.

That leaves us with only 4 guards again: Crutcher, Crosby, Davis, Cohill. I would go for a True Point guard, that's the most glaring need imo...
Gotta agree with this. Since next season is Crosby's last, it's best we get his replacement in here asap(meaning a 2nd PG with experience for 2019-2020). But wouldn't mind a Kendall Pollard type player either.
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Do you really want another big guy instead of a stud Point Guard? I would much rather have the guard based on the make-up of this team for next year. With Mikesell and Toppin joining Cunningham, Kostas, Xman, Svoboda, and Pierce I think we have enough big men.

Trey is a tweener who can play down low in A10.

That leaves us with only 4 guards again: Crutcher, Crosby, Davis, Cohill. I would go for a True Point guard, that's the most glaring need imo...
We have no big guy. Cunningham is close, but he is a forward, and graduates next year. Kostas may be a center, and Pierce is nothing right now. Mikesell, Xman and Svoboda are not even power forwards, as none go inside or rebound. In two years, when Kostas gets injured or in foul trouble, then what?
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We can play undersized. We can't play without a really good PG and a good backup.
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I'd like to see a true post center. Think Ashman or even Keith W. Someone that has the size to complete (and win) down low, and good skill with their back to the bucket...

This was coming along nicely with Big Steve, but fate had other very unfortunate plans.
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We can play undersized. We can't play without a really good PG and an good backup.
We sure are doing it this year! We should take the best player available. We have holes everywhere and losing DD our leading scorer and number two rebounder will be tough to compensate for.
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In a perfect world, I agree a true big-time Center would be great. But we aren't in a perfect world...

Many of you forget Mikesell had a double double against Vandy last year. Yes, he got abused by VCU, but with added weight room work and new hips he could be a nice 4 for the next 2 years. XMan has length and Trey has shown he can play strong as a small 3 or 4.

And Josh will be the man again next year, with Kostas another year to improve. Pierce and Toppin wild cards.

Gimme a good PG to develop behind Crutcher and Crosby who can be ready to contribute minutes Soph year and take over his Junior year. But who knows? I'm certainly not going to turn down Anfernee Simons if he wants to come here lol
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We have no big guy. Cunningham is close, but he is a forward, and graduates next year. Kostas may be a center, and Pierce is nothing right now. Mikesell, Xman and Svoboda are not even power forwards, as none go inside or rebound. In two years, when Kostas gets injured or in foul trouble, then what?
Mikesell was a pretty good rebounder. What about Toppin?

Anyway, this is probably a moot point as I'm guessing there's going to be some transfer out before next season. It's kind of natural that some who stayed this season hoping they had role in AG's program, will have a total change of heart after this season is finished.

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How about we get rid of one or two more players and get a point guard and a big, who can play D and rebound? Then we're all happy.
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Right, but Dayton didn't offer to KW, and they wouldn't today. There is a reason why players like Sam do not fit in with whatever the heck it is Dayton coaches are trying to accomplish. Everything about this program stinks of running a post player over 6'8 right out of the program. If I was over 6'7 I would refuse to entertain an offer from UD, as the program has proven over and over again, that it has no desire to develop post play as an emphasis. That is one of the things that really hold the program back.

Kavanaugh's 5th year was a backwards arse accident. UD backed their way into it! Illegitimately I might ad!

KW wouldn't even be recruited by UD coming out of high school today. Wasn't he a walk-on first? And that was back when UD had very little success leading up to that time. He wouldn't get a sniff today...there goes 1,000 points and 1,000 rebounds.

Big Steve, God love him and bless him, was a good player, and took up space on the defensive end; but nevertheless, UD doesn't allow for his kind of offensive sets to develop. This current team would be lapping him on the way back down the court; and not necessarily to or resulting to the good.

Sam Miller, like Kurt H, and Alex Gavrilovich, and Matt Kavs, were all capable post players, but UD thinks they are UNLV and Loyola Marymount of the 1990's. Here is a clue...they ARENT! This program breaks-out in hives if you mention a post/entry pass.

There is no sense in giving scholarships to players you never intend to utilize or develop.

Supporters of the program come on the post game radio show to bring this concern to the front; but only to get shot down by a particular former player and part-time storm chaser (and I say that kidding like). My point is, this is the real thing holding UD basketball back; and until someone addresses this hole in the program, well, you know.

The Greene County Deputies were guilty of putting Miller in the cell with a mole, and they ffffing know it. Bad judgment by miller, but he is not the only one who exasperated the situation; as he was put in that cell with that right wrong other person on purpose. The greene county deputies thought they were being funny wisecrackers.

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Sam Miller, like Kurt H, and Alex Gavrilovich, and Matt Kavs, were all capable post players, but UD thinks they are UNLV and Loyola Marymount of the 1990's. Here is a clue...they ARENT! This program breaks-out in hives if you mention a post/entry pass.
You are going to have to define what you consider a "capable post player"... the only one of those 4 who could score with their back to the basket was Kurt H (and that was really only his senior year).

Sam Miller and Alex G are not even close to being post players.
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This is good all around. He finds a home where he can start over and we don't have to worry about him coming back as a distraction and wasting one of our scholarships.
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This is good all around. He finds a home where he can start over and we don't have to worry about him coming back as a distraction and wasting one of our scholarships.
I have a feeling that if AG thinks the same thing, btw I do too, then it was AG that probably made the decision for him to transfer. I really can't imagine a coach in the position of AG bending over backwards for a player who screwed up that he really would rather not have on the team anyway.
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You are going to have to define what you consider a "capable post player"... the only one of those 4 who could score with their back to the basket was Kurt H (and that was really only his senior year).

Sam Miller and Alex G are not even close to being post players.
I am like the US Supreme Court: "I cannot define it, but I know it when I see it!"

Just because Sam and Alex could shoot from three point range, does not mean in any-way shape or form that they were not post players.

As for Kavs, you are dreaming, he was extensively capable in the post...sans Gregory's inability to teach, utilize, or emphasis a post game...and Archie miller pick up where Mr. I cannot coach a darn left off, in regard to Kavanaugh...end of story. Kavanaugh forced the issue in the end, in spite of Archie erroneously attempting to throw him under the bus.

Take Cunningham for example; maybe not versus every opponent, but he should be scoring, and thus given the opportunity to score, 30 points per game. On nights when he has 12, he should have twenty-four, and on nights when he has 20, he should have low 30's.

The Dayton Flyers Men's Basketball Program is allergic to Post Play, entry passes by guards and forwards, and seem to have little patience for allowing from proper spacing and clearing out, and waiting to enter pass to post player sealing his man-off. They give it a glance, and its like oh no baby that's not how I ball baby, that's some old mans bull****, screw-it, I will just jack a treywalley baby.

Sam Miller, you are better-off.
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Saying Sam Miller is a capable post player is about as laughable an argument as I've seen on this board in 3 years. Sam Miller is a stretch 4 pick-and-pop-type player which is a type of player that has excelled in the A10 (think Gerot, Cavanaugh, Aldridge). Perhaps you just really like Sam Miller, and I am not as big on him. Admittedly, I have zero insight into the Greene Co. Sheriff Dept or what exactly happened on Sam's bad night.

I get the point about UD not having a good recent history of developing post players, but that argument is unfair and must be qualified. Big Steve (RIP) would have been a great post player. There's a difference between developing who you have and who you CAN get verses intentionally not trying to develop something. All the big time Bigs want to get the most exposure possible so they go to the top P-5 schools. Big Steve (RIP) was a great find and needed some time to develop.

Pollard and Pierre actually developed some good post moves, albeit both were undersized. Again, without the dismissals of Robinson and Scott, they both would have developed more post skills. It was their decision to steal from fellow students- it just so happened they were both 6'9."

Josh is continuing to improve with his back to the basket this year and will be even better next year. Mikesell has some moves around the basket as well. I am willing to see how Pierce, Kostas and Toppin develop...
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Sam Miller, you are better-off.
I don't disagree with your post assessment, as I would like to see more post involvement...

With that said, attitude and effort held Sam back as much as ability. I didn't see many individual traits on the court, outside of systems, that would have told me at any point during his career that he was going to have a break out season or be anything more than a role player off of the bench. If he was suiting up this year, he would be next to Pierce most of the game with limited minutes behind KA and JC.
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We can play undersized. We can't play without a really good PG and a good backup.
Are you saying that Dwayne Cohill would not make a good point guard? Some publications list him as a shooting guard but ESPN and Scout both list him as a point guard! My guess is he can play either one from watching his you tube videos. We would be in very good hands with Cohill starting and Crutcher or Crosby backing him up. I think Jordan Davis will be a very good SG with a year under his belt.

I'm for recruiting the best player available. Providing Cunningham returns, I think we will be in good shape at the 3,4 and 5 positions with Kostas, Trey and the combination of Mikesell and Toppin. I hear Obadiah Toppin has really been looking good in practice!

Good luck to Sam Miller at the College of Charleston but I don't think he was going to fit into AG's long term plans. I hope AG is able to recruit at a much higher level. He and his staff are off to a good start with Cohill!
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Recruiting talented big men is difficult for most mid majors. It is one of the things that separates the top tier programs. Every once in a while, their is an exception to the rule, but there is a small pool of really good big men. Guards who can light it up are plentiful. Just about every A10 team has at least one. The Bonnies have two.

A couple of years ago, Jablonski wrote an article that showed the average scoring of A10 centers. It was something like 2-3 points a game. That was an indictment as to the strength of that position in the A10.

Big Steve would have gone to Purdue if he had better grades. Maverick Morgan chose Illinois. Sean Finn was promised something that did not happen his freshman year. Kav was good but not great. Not a great leaper, who had a lot of desire.

UD has traditionally had trouble recruiting big talented post players. The top tier programs swoop in and grab them. Centers in the Big 10 and ACC are night and day from A10 centers.

UD will go the next level if they could ever get better post talent. What it takes to do that, I am not sure.
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Recruiting talented big men is difficult for most mid majors. It is one of the things that separates the top tier programs. Every once in a while, their is an exception to the rule, but there is a small pool of really good big men. Guards who can light it up are plentiful. Just about every A10 team has at least one. The Bonnies have two.

A couple of years ago, Jablonski wrote an article that showed the average scoring of A10 centers. It was something like 2-3 points a game. That was an indictment as to the strength of that position in the A10.

Big Steve would have gone to Purdue if he had better grades. Maverick Morgan chose Illinois. Sean Finn was promised something that did not happen his freshman year. Kav was good but not great. Not a great leaper, who had a lot of desire.

UD has traditionally had trouble recruiting big talented post players. The top tier programs swoop in and grab them. Centers in the Big 10 and ACC are night and day from A10 centers.

UD will go the next level if they could ever get better post talent. What it takes to do that, I am not sure.
Sure it is hard, but that is what we have to overcome to be a Top 25 team. VCU has one, UMass has one. Richmond had one last year, and the red shirt freshman this year is better than Kostas, and will be good. If they average 5 points a game, but 7-8 rebounds and can play good defense, game on.
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Better post talent, yes, but doesn't need to be a C. 2-3 6-8 to 6-9 Fs would do the trick. OSU was on yesterday. I caught a bit of their game. They don't have a traditional C but they do have some very athletic Fs who fill the bill.
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:57 PM
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Height is not the only issue. A 6'9" with some bulk and hops and long arms is perfect.
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