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Old 07-17-2018, 11:18 PM
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Page, under oath, contradicts Strzok. She says the texts of what Strozk said mean exactly what they say. "We will stop Trump, etc." That would mean Strzok lied under oath.

“There are differences in their testimony on many cases,” Ratcliffe said on Monday. “She admits that the text messages mean exactly what they say, as opposed to Agent Strzok, who thinks that we have all misinterpreted his own words on any text message that might be negative.”

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It seems like this would complicate Strzok's legal defense. He was under oath in his testimony to Congress. Now, Page is contradicting his testimony.......
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Big Contrast Between Panetta and Rumsfeld

Shame on Leon Panetta for criticizing Trump when Panetta wouldn't come to the aid of the Benghazi victims. Ashamed I had to work under him at one time, but I was glad to work under Rumsfeld.
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LISA PAGE Confirms Strzok’s “There’s no Big There There” Text Message Referred to Trump-Russia Case

"There's no big there there." - Strzok.

LISA PAGE Confirms Strzok’s “There’s no Big There There” Text Message Referred to Trump-Russia Case. Lisa Page also confirmed to lawmakers that the text messages sent between her and her lover Peter Strzok ‘meant exactly what they said,’ contrary to Strzok’s testimony.

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"Mr. Brennan has taken credit for launching the Trump investigation. At a House Intelligence Committee hearing in May 2017, he explained that he became “aware of intelligence and information about contacts between Russian officials and U.S. persons.” The CIA can’t investigate U.S. citizens, but he made sure that “every information and bit of intelligence” was “shared with the bureau,” meaning the FBI. This information, he said, “served as the basis for the FBI investigation.” My sources suggest Mr. Brennan was overstating his initial role, but either way, by his own testimony, he as an Obama-Clinton partisan was pushing information to the FBI and pressuring it to act."

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In other works, Jack, Brennan was doing his job!
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Rand Paul Wants to Know If John Brennan Still Has Security Clearance

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In other works, Jack, Brennan was doing his job!
Doing his job leaking. "Well, you know, John Brennan has a history of leaking information already, not only for political reasons, but a few years ago, he leaked that there was an inside informant in Yemen while that person was still on the inside, in Yemen. He put that person's life at risk," Paul said.

(CNSNews.com) - Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) called it "alarming" that former CIA Director John Brennan -- a man who attacks the president on Twitter and now works as an analyst for MSNBC -- may still have top secret security clearance.

"So I think it's completely crazy, and I think the idea that he could be passing secrets to the media, yeah, that's alarming," Paul told Fox News's Tucker Carlson Thursday night.

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Doing his job leaking. "Well, you know, John Brennan has a history of leaking information already, not only for political reasons, but a few years ago, he leaked that there was an inside informant in Yemen while that person was still on the inside, in Yemen. He put that person's life at risk," Paul said.

(CNSNews.com) - Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) called it "alarming" that former CIA Director John Brennan -- a man who attacks the president on Twitter and now works as an analyst for MSNBC -- may still have top secret security clearance.

"So I think it's completely crazy, and I think the idea that he could be passing secrets to the media, yeah, that's alarming," Paul told Fox News's Tucker Carlson Thursday night.

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You're seriously referencing a right wing extremist news website like cns news? You've lost all credibility with that reference Mich!
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Wall Street Journal:

My sources suggest Mr. Brennan was overstating his initial role, but either way, by his own testimony, he as an Obama-Clinton partisan was pushing information to the FBI and pressuring it to act.

The CIA director couldn’t himself go public with his Clinton spin—he lacked the support of the intelligence community and had to be careful not to be seen interfering in U.S. politics. So what to do? He called Harry Reid. In a late August briefing, he told the Senate minority leader that Russia was trying to help Mr. Trump win the election, and that Trump advisers might be colluding with Russia. (Two years later, no public evidence has emerged to support such a claim.) Politics was at the center of that outing, and Mr. Brennan was a ringmaster. Remember that when reading his next “treason” tweet.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/brennan...dal-1532039346

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So Clapper admits that Obama is the one that ordered the investigations!! He said it as a guest on Anderson Cooper's show.

So the Mueller investigation is actually a distraction. It is to cover up the real tampering, the real collusion that occurred with the Democrats and the Obama intelligence agencies attempting to undermine the 2016 election. Given that, James Clapper was on Anderson Cooper — you remember Anderson Cooper, former president of the United States — of course not. Anderson Cooper couldn’t do one-tenth of what Donald Trump has done. But Trump’s the idiot, right?
Anderson Cooper speaking to the Obama-era Director of National Intelligence. Question: “How can we reconcile the president attacking you, but apparently after a very long time, finally saying he allegedly agrees with the product of the intelligence community that you yourself oversaw?”

CLAPPER: With respect to the Russian meddling, if it weren’t for President Obama, we might not have done the intelligence community assessment that we did that set off a whole sequence of events which are still unfolding today, notably Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation. President Obama is responsible for that and it was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place. I think that’s an important point when it comes to critiquing President Obama.
RUSH: Wait a minute. Did he really mean to say this? Did he really mean to say that Obama ordered all of this? Because that’s what he said. You heard him. “President Obama is responsible for that.” “We set off a whole sequence of events which are still unfolding today.” I.e., Mueller’s investigation, President Obama is responsible for that. It was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place.
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So it was Obama who was behind the whole thing. Thought so.
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It Was All a Setup

'All About Getting at Trump Campaign': Fitton Argues FBI Misled FISA Court on Carter Page Warrant.

Turns out what we already knew is true. The fake FISA warrant was the basis for getting the Trump campaign.

Tom Fitton said Monday the Department of Justice and FBI misled a FISA court to get a surveillance warrant against Carter Page as a way to target then-candidate Donald Trump.
The Justice Department on Saturday released documents used by the government to justify the FISA surveillance warrant against Page, a former Trump campaign aide.

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Why Do They Still Have Security Clearances?

Rand Paul calls to revoke John Brennan's security clearance, asks if he's 'monetizing' access on MSNBC. Also wants to remove McCabe, Comey, Clapper, Rice, and Hayden.

“We have lots of questions for John Brennan and he will definitely be sought by the committees for an interview,” Goodlatte said on “Sunday Morning Futures.” “This is an extremely disturbing thing to see both he and [former FBI Director] James Comey, supposedly impartial government officials carrying out their jobs in very important areas in intelligence gathering and law enforcement, express the kind of extreme bias that they’ve shown—which I think reflects quite accurately what they were doing back in 2016.”

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These people are gone. Why do they still have security clearances? It did turn out McCabe's has been deactivated.
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"Hoax and Change"

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Under questioning, Comey admitted to the Inspector General Michael Horowitz that he authored the May 2 statement and penned every word of it himself. But then he offered the implausible claim that “he did not recall that his original draft used the term 'gross negligence,' and did not recall discussions about that issue.”

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The truth is that Comey well remembers what he wrote, because he participated in subsequent discussions with top officials at the FBI about Clinton’s “gross negligence.” Several meetings were held on the subject and contemporaneous notes prove that Comey was in attendance. Those records show that although Comey was convinced that Clinton was “grossly negligent” in violation of the law, he was determined to clear her notwithstanding. To achieve this somersault and absolve the soon-to-be Democratic nominee, the legally ****ing terminology would have to be stricken from his statement.
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I just filed a resolution with @Jim_Jordan and several colleagues to impeach Rod Rosenstein. The DOJ has continued to hide information from Congress and repeatedly obstructed oversight--even defying multiple Congressional subpoenas.

We have had enough.

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BREAKING: Goodlatte Says FBI's Peter Strzok Will Be Recalled For Contempt

BREAKING: Goodlatte Says FBI's Peter Strzok Will Be Recalled For Contempt.

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I just filed a resolution with @Jim_Jordan and several colleagues to impeach Rod Rosenstein. The DOJ has continued to hide information from Congress and repeatedly obstructed oversight--even defying multiple Congressional subpoenas.

We have had enough.

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This is a good thing, but will anything really happen?
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This is a good thing, but will anything really happen?
I'm not sure, but I think it will force the conversation about if checks and balances really exist on the FBI. There has to be some mechanism for Congress to have oversight of the Justice Department. I'm not completely clear on this, but heard on the radio today that Congress, decades ago, allowed the Justice Department to be in charge of prosecuting Contempt of Congress. That has allowed the DOJ to spike Contempt of Congress whenever they choose. It is a conflict of interest and practically erases oversight by Congress. That needs to be fixed.

It is wrong for the DOJ to be able to ignore Congress. Somehow, they must be accountable to someone. They cannot be allowed to run wild framing Presidents and then hiding the evidence. That is a bigger threat than Russia, wouldn't you say? Any of you guys who are terrified of Russian hacking of e-mails think that we should be concerned with this little diddy that the FBI pulled off against Trump?

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Rosenstein, Ryan, and Trump

Paul Ryan said today he is not in favor of impeachment, but he does agree Congress has oversight of the DOJ/FBI. For now they are planning to hold him in contempt of Congress. However, Meadows says impeachment is still in play. Guess he thinks there still is a way to resolve the issue without impeachment. Ryan support McCarthy to take his place should the Republicans retain control of Congress. Jim Jordan is making a run for the job. Heard today that the Mueller investigation is looking into Trump's tweets for possible obstruction of justice. I think they are getting desperate.

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Paul Ryan said today he is not in favor of impeachment, but he does agree Congress has oversight of the DOJ/FBI. For now they are planning to hold him in contempt of Congress. However, Meadows says impeachment is still in play. Guess he thinks there still is a way to resolve the issue without impeachment. Ryan support McCarthy to take his place should the Republicans retain control of Congress. Jim Jordan is making a run for the job. Heard today that the Mueller investigation is looking into Trump's tweets for possible obstruction of justice. I think they are getting desperate.

20 million in taxpayer money so far spent on the Mueller investigation.
"Starr spent over six years on the Whitewater investigation, which eventually led to Clinton’s impeachment for lying under oath, and billed taxpayers more than $70 million."


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What were the convictions/indictments and charges related to Whitewater?
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Originally Posted by Mich Flyer View Post
Paul Ryan said today he is not in favor of impeachment, but he does agree Congress has oversight of the DOJ/FBI. For now they are planning to hold him in contempt of Congress. However, Meadows says impeachment is still in play. Guess he thinks there still is a way to resolve the issue without impeachment. Ryan support McCarthy to take his place should the Republicans retain control of Congress. Jim Jordan is making a run for the job. Heard today that the Mueller investigation is looking into Trump's tweets for possible obstruction of justice. I think they are getting desperate.

20 million in taxpayer money so far spent on the Mueller investigation.
Ryan is toothless. He said that there are "other tools" to get to fair trade besides tariff threats. So, what are those tools Ryan? And why have we not been using those magic tools? Where have you been? Trump is getting it done despite you.

Now Ryan says he wants oversight, but he does not want to force oversight on the DOJ. He just hopes that they will comply, even though they have been sidestepping and concealing from Congress for the last year.

I expect nothing from Ryan. He is part of the Swamp.
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Paul Ryan said today he is not in favor of impeachment, but he does agree Congress has oversight of the DOJ/FBI. For now they are planning to hold him in contempt of Congress. However, Meadows says impeachment is still in play. Guess he thinks there still is a way to resolve the issue without impeachment. Ryan support McCarthy to take his place should the Republicans retain control of Congress. Jim Jordan is making a run for the job. Heard today that the Mueller investigation is looking into Trump's tweets for possible obstruction of justice. I think they are getting desperate.

20 million in taxpayer money so far spent on the Mueller investigation.
We obviously want Jordan to get the job. McCarthy is likely part of the swamp.
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We obviously want Jordan to get the job. McCarthy is likely part of the swamp.
Jordan's chances are slim. He has the wrestling mess hanging over his head, and he is a weak fundraiser. McCarthy is a great fundraiser, and gives the Repubs good face time in a blue state. I hope Jordan gets it, but probably not.
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Ryan is toothless. He said that there are "other tools" to get to fair trade besides tariff threats. So, what are those tools Ryan? And why have we not been using those magic tools? Where have you been? Trump is getting it done despite you.

Now Ryan says he wants oversight, but he does not want to force oversight on the DOJ. He just hopes that they will comply, even though they have been sidestepping and concealing from Congress for the last year.

I expect nothing from Ryan. He is part of the Swamp.
When we say he is getting it done, are we including the $12 billion in new farmer support because of the tariffs?
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Jordan's chances are slim. He has the wrestling mess hanging over his head, and he is a weak fundraiser. McCarthy is a great fundraiser, and gives the Repubs good face time in a blue state. I hope Jordan gets it, but probably not.
McCarthy sticking his foot in his mouth a couple years ago regarding Hillary will likely resurface.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevi...ee_on_Benghazi:

But McCarthy said, "Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she's untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought."[50] Many media outlets and Democratic lawmakers interpreted this comment as an admission that the investigation was a partisan political undertaking rather than a substantive inquiry.[51][52][53][54] Some commentators described his remark as a classic "Kinsley gaffe," defined as when a politician accidentally tells the truth.[55]



And I was totally unaware of this accusation:


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Previously, Representative Walter B. Jones, Jr. had sent a letter to the Republican Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers stating that any candidates for a leadership position with "misdeeds" should withdraw from the race. Jones has stated that his comment did not specifically refer to McCarthy.[45] It was widely seen as referring to rumors that McCarthy had been committing an extramarital affair with fellow Representative, Renee Ellmers, a rumor that both have denied; the basis for such an allegation and interpretation is unclear.[46][47][48]



And finally, he commented on Putin:

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On June 15, 2016, McCarthy told a group of Republicans, "There's two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump. Swear to God." Paul Ryan reminded colleagues the meeting was off the record, saying "No leaks. This is how we know we're a real family here."[57] When asked about the comment, McCarthy's spokesman said that "the idea that McCarthy would assert this is absurd and false." After a tape of the comment was made public in May 2017, McCarthy claimed it was "a bad attempt at a joke".[58]
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When we say he is getting it done, are we including the $12 billion in new farmer support because of the tariffs?
Yes. It's a means to an end. If we have to protect our farmers from a temporary trade war, we should. Trump has to even the trade playing field, or we will continue to get hammered in trade. What is our lost revenue from allowing other countries to tariff and protect against our products while we keep our market completely open to theirs? Are you willing to sacrifice that IA? At what point should we respond in your view? How many jobs must be lost first before you would act?

There is a bigger picture here that you are dismissing when you panic.

Has this 12 billion bailout occurred, or is this a possibility that is causing you anxiety?

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Yes. It's a means to an end. If we have to protect our farmers from a temporary trade war, we should. Trump has to even the trade playing field, or we will continue to get hammered in trade. What is our lost revenue from allowing other countries to tariff and protect against our products while we keep our market completely open to theirs? Are you willing to sacrifice that IA? At what point should we respond in your view? How many jobs must be lost first before you would act?

There is a bigger picture here that you are dismissing when you panic.

Has this 12 billion bailout occurred, or is this a possibility that is causing you anxiety?
Trump knows he is screwing American Farmers. The $12B is actually just a proposal by Trump. It obviously requires Congressional approval. Farmers want to trade - not receive aid.

A small manufacturing plant in Iowa (17 people) just laid off 10 of their employees because of steel tariffs. I know you will say "short term pain for long-term gain", which sounds nice, but to this company it could mean they have to eventually close their doors. I don't see that as "short-term".

The "anxiety" is that these are the inevitable results of tariff/trade wars - despite your rosy scenario, I'd say it has about a 50% chance of actually hurting the economy long-term as well. Flip a coin.
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Trump has recognized that he can do the same thing other countries (and businesses) do, that is pump up an industry or product temporarily, not give in. China does it constantly. A good fighter retreats under pressure. A great fighter stays in the brawl and changes strategy
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Trump knows he is screwing American Farmers.
Trump has opened up Europe. They are buying the US farmers' soybeans. The EU came to an agreement with the US.
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Trump has opened up Europe. They are buying the US farmers' soybeans. The EU came to an agreement with the US.
I think this is the beginning of coordination between Europe and the USA to put China in a bad spot. China is going to try and put American farmers in a bad spot by refusing to buy agricultural goods to protect their other tariffs and hurt Trump's base. If Europe is buying more soybeans, China loses a lot of it's ability to erode Trump support through targeted tariffs.
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Trump has opened up Europe. They are buying the US farmers' soybeans. The EU came to an agreement with the US.
Right... That's why he's asking for $12B in aid...
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Right... That's why he's asking for $12B in aid...
We will see what actually happens. Time will tell if Trump's policy works or not.
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We will see what actually happens. Time will tell if Trump's policy works or not.
I agree that time will tell. We cannot give him kudos without actual results. The only actual results are currently short-term (hopefully only short-term) bad ones, but that is not the entire picture.
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I agree that time will tell. We cannot give him kudos without actual results. The only actual results are currently short-term (hopefully only short-term) bad ones, but that is not the entire picture.
Maybe the deficit is short term bad, but the economy in general is a home-run so far. This should take pressure off of our spending on safety-net programs, which drives some of our debt. More people have jobs and 90% are seeing fewer taxes. Markets are booming. The economy is growing at 4.1%. Tax revenue is up. Trade balances are moving in our favor. Unemployment levels are so low that they are breaking records in some areas. There is an awful lot of meat on that bone.

Economically, I guess the only thing left to gripe about is the debt. It's the last frontier.

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Maybe the deficit is short term bad, but the economy in general is a home-run so far. This should take pressure off of our spending on safety-net programs, which drives some of our debt. More people have jobs and 90% are seeing fewer taxes. Markets are booming. The economy is growing at 4.1%. Tax revenue is up. Trade balances are moving in our favor. Unemployment levels are so low that they are breaking records in some areas. There is an awful lot of meat on that bone.

Economically, I guess the only thing left to gripe about is the debt. It's the last frontier.
I was referring the results of the trade war -- there are no actual results that are positive, yet.
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Deficit

Trump thinks if he gets the GDP up high enough, he can wipe out the deficit.

Doug Schoen doesn't think Trump can have as good of results next quarter.
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Trump thinks if he gets the GDP up high enough, he can wipe out the deficit.

Doug Schoen doesn't think Trump can have as good of results next quarter.
Trump things that if he cuts our trade deficit in half, the GDP will rise 3-4% higher than where it is today. Then he talked about paying down the debt in large chunks (bigly).

If Trump starts paying down the debt, I want to hear UAC say something very sweet and nice about Trump. I think it should be a flattering poem dedicated to Trumps high level of intelligence and understanding of economics.

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Dianne Feinstein - What a Joke She Is!

Feinstein's Personal Driver Of 20 Years Was A Chinese Spy. What a joke Feinstein is - one of the ranking members on the Intelligence Committee, leading the Russia Investigation.

According to reports from Politico and The San Francisco Chronicle, the mole from the communist government served as Feinstein’s driver, an office gofer, a liaison to the Asian-American community, and even attended Chinese consulate functions on behalf of the senator.

Additionally, as noted by The Federalist, Feinstein "failed to disclose that one of her former staffers, Daniel Jones, had hired Fusion GPS and ex-British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Donald Trump after the 2016 election."

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I love this no-nonsense judge. Total witch hunt.
Can you still use the term "witch hunt" after the POTUS tweet this weekend?

Correct me if I have my facts wrong.

1) The investigation was put together to find out if there was collusion b/w the Trump campaign and the Russians.

2) Donald Jr met at Trump Tower with Russians to get dirt on Hillary (campaign related)

3) The logical conclusion is....?
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Can you still use the term "witch hunt" after the POTUS tweet this weekend?

Correct me if I have my facts wrong.

1) The investigation was put together to find out if there was collusion b/w the Trump campaign and the Russians.

2) Donald Jr met at Trump Tower with Russians to get dirt on Hillary (campaign related)

3) The logical conclusion is....?
Is this collusion? Is Adam Schiff guilty of it, whatever it is?

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Is it collusion to pay Russians to create false information on a Presidential candidate and then spread it throughout the US government and intelligence agencies and present it as verified evidence to a FISA court to spy on a campaign?

What is collusion?

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Bruce Ohr and Nellie Ohr and more FBI misdeeds:

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes claimed Monday that the FBI and Justice Department failed to include exculpatory evidence in surveillance warrant applications against former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

“There is exculpatory evidence that we have seen, of classified documents that need to be declassified,” Nunes said in an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity.

“Exculpatory in nature in what way? Exculpatory in what way?” Hannity asked.

“In that the Carter Page FISA when the judges should have been presented with this exculpatory evidence that the FBI and DOJ had,” Nunes replied.
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What is collusion?
WTH are you talking about?

Look up the definition of collusion. I think you can find it. I have stated in several threads that I expected Mueller to not find the campaign to have directly colluded with a foreign entity. That is, until I read the President's tweet on Sunday.
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WTH are you talking about?

Look up the definition of collusion. I think you can find it. I have stated in several threads that I expected Mueller to not find the campaign to have directly colluded with a foreign entity. That is, until I read the President's tweet on Sunday.
The point is:

"Collusion" is not a crime. The Hillary campaign called their collusion with the Russians "Opposition research".

Schiff is trying to collude with Russians but nobody cares.

What is the crime that is being investigated by Mueller? Collusion is not a crime. Mueller might as well be investigating if the Trump campaign used Russian dressing on their salads. Why? Collusion is not a legal term. It is a word that was invoked to sound really bad by Trump opposition. Cite a law or statute that refers to "collusion". What is the crime that Mueller is pursuing?

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The point is:

"Collusion" is not a crime. The Hillary campaign called their collusion with the Russians "Opposition research".

Schiff is trying to collude with Russians but nobody cares.

What is the crime that is being investigated by Mueller? Collusion is not a crime. Mueller might as well be investigating if the Trump campaign used Russian dressing on their salads. Why? Collusion is not a legal term. It is a word that was invoked to sound really bad by Trump opposition. Cite a law or statute that refers to "collusion". What is the crime that Mueller is pursuing?
No, if you paid a foreign entity while colluding with them, then it is definitely a crime.

Don Junior IINM, called somebody before the Trump Tower meeting, I bet Don Senior was on the other end of the line.

If it turns out that President Trump knew about the true purpose of the TT meeting and a payment was made to the Russians, in exchange for dirt on Hillary, then President Trump IMO, is in serious trouble.

The problem IMO though, is that HC did the same thing: she paid a foreign entity to compile the Steele dossier.

So, they both are guilty. And how can you fairly convict President Trump, and then let off Hillary scot-free?

There is definitely a lot of smoke here now.
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No, if you paid a foreign entity while colluding with them, then it is definitely a crime.

Don Junior IINM, called somebody before the Trump Tower meeting, I bet Don Senior was on the other end of the line.

If it turns out that President Trump knew about the true purpose of the TT meeting and a payment was made to the Russians, in exchange for dirt on Hillary, then President Trump IMO, is in serious trouble.

The problem IMO though, is that HC did the same thing: she paid a foreign entity to compile the Steele dossier.

So, they both are guilty. And how can you fairly convict President Trump, and then let off Hillary scot-free?

There is definitely a lot of smoke here now.
Then that is bribery. Collusion is not a crime. Lots of "ifs" in all this. "If's" are media creations to sway the public, Until they are facts, they are nothing, if not fake news.
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No, if you paid a foreign entity while colluding with them, then it is definitely a crime.

Don Junior IINM, called somebody before the Trump Tower meeting, I bet Don Senior was on the other end of the line.

If it turns out that President Trump knew about the true purpose of the TT meeting and a payment was made to the Russians, in exchange for dirt on Hillary, then President Trump IMO, is in serious trouble.

The problem IMO though, is that HC did the same thing: she paid a foreign entity to compile the Steele dossier.

So, they both are guilty. And how can you fairly convict President Trump, and then let off Hillary scot-free?

There is definitely a lot of smoke here now.
Fusion GPS is not a foreign entity, am I correct? Hillary/DNC paid Fusion GPS. What foreign entity did Hillary/DNC pay?
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Fusion GPS is not a foreign entity, am I correct? Hillary/DNC paid Fusion GPS. What foreign entity did Hillary/DNC pay?
So it is legal if you pay the Russians through a law firm and other shell entities? OK, that makes sense.
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Fusion GPS is not a foreign entity, am I correct? Hillary/DNC paid Fusion GPS. What foreign entity did Hillary/DNC pay?

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary...s-criminal-too:

The media has largely ignored that Hillary Clinton and her campaign spent a huge amount of money to fund the efforts of former British spy Christopher Steele to gather dirt on Trump, including information from the Russian government and intelligence figures. All of the outcries and expressions of shock by Democratic leaders over the Trump Tower meeting ignores the more extensive contacts and efforts by the Clinton campaign.

If the Russians had evidence of criminal conduct by Hillary Clinton, her campaign or her family foundation, the Trump campaign had every reason to want to know about it. That is precisely what the Clinton campaign spent millions to do, talking to Russians and other foreigners investigating Trump. Indeed, under this interpretation of federal election laws, Clinton and her surrogates would be equally guilty in using a former foreign spy to gather information on Trump from foreign sources, including Russians.
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Fusion GPS is not a foreign entity, am I correct? Hillary/DNC paid Fusion GPS. What foreign entity did Hillary/DNC pay?
Steele, a Briton, worked for Fusion GPS...the dossier also contained information that was obtained from the Russians.
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And it turns out that Steele was not only being paid by Hillary to fabricate dirt on Trump, he was being paid by the FBI too! They continued to use him even after they publicly "cut ties" with him for leaking to the media. Nellie Ohr, wife of FBI 4th in command, Bruce Ohr worked for Fusian GPS! Bruce Ohr continued to use Steele as a contact and feed his information to the FBI, despite knowing that Steele had lied to the FBI. And his wife was paid by Fusian GPS! Oh, what a rats nest!

Steele was “suspended and then terminated” as an FBI source for what the bureau defined “as the most serious of violations” – an “unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI.

“Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other outlets in September –before the Page application was submitted to the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] FISC in October –but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts,” the memo read.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-to-media.html

The FBI was colluding with foreign nationals and Russians to damage Trump!

I'm telling you that this scandal gets deeper and more shocking every day. And yet, the media narrative is that Trump "colluded" with Russians by accepting a meeting where they wanted to volunteer information to his campaign. Incidentally, that Russian woman met with Democrats before and after the Trump JR meeting.
Isn't that odd? A meeting of this nature is something that is normal on all political fronts. While that propaganda reporting is taking place, evidence continues to be revealed about the real collusion within the deep state in coordination with the Hillary campaign. That is mysteriously uncovered by the fake news.

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So it is legal if you pay the Russians through a law firm and other shell entities? OK, that makes sense.
See if you can follow this..

DNC hires Fusion GPS to find dirt on Trump.

Fusion GPS hires Steele as a 1099/consultant to do the work.

Steele engages Russians for the dossier.

It was not illegal for the DNC to hire the US firm. It was not illegal for the firm to hire a consultant to do the work.

Was it illegal for Steele to engage with Russians? I don't know.

You may find this hard to believe, but this is very different than a campaign meeting directly with a foreign entity to get this type of information.

If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.
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See if you can follow this..

DNC hires Fusion GPS to find dirt on Trump.

Fusion GPS hires Steele as a 1099/consultant to do the work.

Steele engages Russians for the dossier.

It was not illegal for the DNC to hire the US firm. It was not illegal for the firm to hire a consultant to do the work.

Was it illegal for Steele to engage with Russians? I don't know.

You may find this hard to believe, but this is very different than a campaign meeting directly with a foreign entity to get this type of information.

If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.

Is having a meeting directly with a foreign entity illegal?
Is it also illegal if a foreign entity then offers you dirt on HRC but you refuse to accept it?
Is there a definition of what info is considered dirt or is any info illegal?
Is it illegal if you accept this info/dirt on HRC without paying for it?
Is it illegal if you accept this info/dirt on HRC but never use it?
Is it illegal if you accept this info/dirt on HRC and then use it?
Is there a definition of illegal use?
If you use this info/dirt and it is true - is that illegal?
Can anybody identify any dirt on HRC provided by a foreign entity that is true or untrue and was used by the Trump campaign?

I am just trying to determine what is legal/illegal.
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Originally Posted by ud69 View Post
Is having a meeting directly with a foreign entity illegal?
Is it also illegal if a foreign entity then offers you dirt on HRC but you refuse to accept it?
Is there a definition of what info is considered dirt or is any info illegal?
Is it illegal if you accept this info/dirt on HRC without paying for it?
Is it illegal if you accept this info/dirt on HRC but never use it?
Is it illegal if you accept this info/dirt on HRC and then use it?
Is there a definition of illegal use?
If you use this info/dirt and it is true - is that illegal?
Can anybody identify any dirt on HRC provided by a foreign entity that is true or untrue and was used by the Trump campaign?

I am just trying to determine what is legal/illegal.

You forgot one question. Is it illegal to meet with a foreign entity when they offer you no dirt on HRC?
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Is having a meeting directly with a foreign entity illegal?
Is it also illegal if a foreign entity then offers you dirt on HRC but you refuse to accept it?
Is there a definition of what info is considered dirt or is any info illegal?
Is it illegal if you accept this info/dirt on HRC without paying for it?
Is it illegal if you accept this info/dirt on HRC but never use it?
Is it illegal if you accept this info/dirt on HRC and then use it?
Is there a definition of illegal use?
If you use this info/dirt and it is true - is that illegal?
Can anybody identify any dirt on HRC provided by a foreign entity that is true or untrue and was used by the Trump campaign?

I am just trying to determine what is legal/illegal.
Not an attorney, but I would think paying for anything OR accepting money to the campaign from a foreign entity would be bad news.
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Originally Posted by IAFlyer View Post
See if you can follow this..

DNC hires Fusion GPS to find dirt on Trump.

Fusion GPS hires Steele as a 1099/consultant to do the work.

Steele engages Russians for the dossier.

It was not illegal for the DNC to hire the US firm. It was not illegal for the firm to hire a consultant to do the work.

Was it illegal for Steele to engage with Russians? I don't know.

You may find this hard to believe, but this is very different than a campaign meeting directly with a foreign entity to get this type of information.

If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.
Just so you know, Steele was a paid foreign agent. So that brings the layers one step closer to Clinton. So, you are saying that if Donald Trump hires somebody else to pay the Russians for dirt, he is OK? How many layers is the difference between legal and illegal?

Maybe Trump could ask his buddies in the FBI to pay the foreign agent to do his dirty work for him. If you use the FBI to do it, is it legal? You are willing to believe and hope, without any evidence, that Trump paid foreign agents for information, when we know for a fact that the FBI and Clinton campaign were both paying foreign agents for dirt on Trump.

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People keep talking about money and payments. Where is there any mention or proof of this? Fake News!
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Not an attorney, but I would think paying for anything OR accepting money to the campaign from a foreign entity would be bad news.

Correct me if I am wrong please - The only reported payment so far is the DNC hiring Fusion GPS, who hired Steele for the "dossier" that was the basis for a super secret FISA search warrant on Carter Page.
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Just so you know, Steele was a paid foreign agent. So that brings the layers one step closer to Clinton. So, you are saying that if Donald Trump hires somebody else to pay the Russians for dirt, he is OK? How many layers is the difference between legal and illegal?

Maybe Trump could ask his buddies in the FBI to pay the foreign agent to do his dirty work for him. If you use the FBI to do it, is it legal? You are willing to believe and hope, without any evidence, that Trump paid foreign agents for information, when we know for a fact that the FBI and Clinton campaign were both paying foreign agents for dirt on Trump.
I did not say the Trump Campaign paid for anything. I said that would be a problem if they did.

There is no evidence that Clinton/DNC knew who Fusion GPS hired. None - zero - nada. If you believe there is evidence that they knew about that, then please share it.
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I did not say the Trump Campaign paid for anything. I said that would be a problem if they did.

There is no evidence that Clinton/DNC knew who Fusion GPS hired. None - zero - nada. If you believe there is evidence that they knew about that, then please share it.
How would we ever have evidence after the FBI leaders who have since been fired or removed allowed her to erase her subpoenaed e-mails, destroy her mobile devices and then granted immunity to her accomplices for nothing in return?

But there is a money trail that leads to Hillary. That, at least, could not be covered up, even though Democrats did their best to prevent that information from being uncovered.

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The Coverup Has Fallen Apart

The FBI was using the phony dossier illegally to get FISA warrants to investigate Trump. The number 4 Ohr was working through his wife to get the phony information from Steele, from the Russians. Even after he was gone from the FBI, Ohr continued to work with Steele to feed the FBI. He was doing this because the FBI desperately was trying to confirm the illegal information they used to get the FISA warrants. There is quite a web of illegal activity that was going on in the FBI. The coverup has fallen apart.

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How would we ever have evidence after the FBI leaders who have since been fired or removed allowed her to erase her subpoenaed e-mails, destroy her mobile devices and then granted immunity to her accomplices for nothing in return?

But there is a money trail that leads to Hillary. That, at least, could not be covered up, even though Democrats did their best to prevent that information from being uncovered.
If you don't have evidence, you don't have case (last time I checked).
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If you don't have evidence, you don't have case (last time I checked).
We know she paid for a foreign national to influence our election. I find it difficult to believe that she knew nothing about this, while she was funding it and funding Steele to spread this all over the government. The FBI even knew that she funded it, although they did not share this on FISA applications. It was all over the State Department. Obama was changing standards for the sharing of this type of information, so it could be spread far and wide within the government. And the very person who bought this information did not know?

The latest is that FBI 4th in command, Bruce Ohr and the founder of Fusian GPS, Glen Simpson, were corresponding by hand-written letter speaking about Steele's strong desire to keep providing information for the FBI against Trump, even though the FBI had supposedly cut ties with Steele after they found out that he had lied to them and leaked sensitive information to the press. And Ohr did continue to harvest information to Steele and bring it in the FBI back door. And Hillary and the DNC knew nothing about the origins of the dossier? Even though they paid for it all through a law firm? Not buying it. This was all over the deep state for the better part of a year. This was the deep state "insurance plan" furnished by Hillary.

It gets better every day..........

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Why are Republicans in Congress still supporting Mueller? Why are we funding something about Trump that is not a crime? The Republicans funded this. Congress can defund this. Paul Ryan is a wimp.
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Why are Republicans in Congress still supporting Mueller? Why are we funding something about Trump that is not a crime? The Republicans funded this. Congress can defund this. Paul Ryan is a wimp.
That's easy - because doing so would look like the GOP knew Mueller was getting close to something and de-funded just in time to prevent it from coming out. It is better to let it run its course now.
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"We will stop him" Strzok has been fired from the FBI, at last. Yeah, he only headed the Hillary e-mail "investigation/pardon" and then was hired by Mueller to "investigate" Trump. If government was not such a political cesspool, he would have been gone two years ago. Strzok claimed that Mueller was not upset with the content of his anti-Trump messages, just that they had been released to the public, and were a "public perception" problem. That tells you how twisted it has been at the top.

Think about the list of FBI leadership people who have been fired, decided to retire quickly or were demoted to other positions. What a swamp.

I wonder what Bruce Ohr is up to these days........

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Why are Republicans in Congress still supporting Mueller? Why are we funding something about Trump that is not a crime? The Republicans funded this. Congress can defund this. Paul Ryan is a wimp.
Politically, it is too scary for Congress. I do believe, that if the information about the corruption to hide the truth about the origins of the dossier had been shared with Congress from the start, that they never would have allowed a special council in the first place.

In fact, now, I believe that a special council to investigate the FBI/State Department/Obama Administration collusion to generate an investigation of Trump under false pretenses would be more likely.
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I wonder what Bruce Ohr is up to these days........
Speculation that Ohr's wife became a ham radio operator in order to avoid surveillance.

This is getting totally bizarre.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/02/...radio-license/
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The pieces just keep falling together (with the aid of real investigative journalism, that is). Simpson is the founder of Fusian GPS. He had Hillary, the DNC and this Russian lady who met with Don Jr. as his clients.


https://saraacarter.com/2016-trump-t...on-operatives/

2016 Trump Tower Meeting Looks Increasingly Like a Setup by Russian and Clinton Operatives


Nonetheless, Simpson also testified that he had no knowledge of the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and others until it was reported a year later. There is reason to doubt that account.

In fact, the Russian lawyer at the center of the meeting, Natalia Veselnitskaya, was his client.

She has publicly stated that she used talking points developed by Simpson for the Russian government in that discussion. Kremlin officials also posted the allegations on the Prosecutor General’s website and shared them with visiting U.S. congressional delegations.

In addition, Simpson has testified that he had dinner with Veselnitskaya the night before the meeting and the night after.
So Simpson was working for Clinton and this Russian and somehow had a meeting with the Russian the night before and after the Trump Jr. meeting. He even made talking points for the meeting. Hmmmmm.

This stuff was once called a crazy right wing conspiracy. Now that the evidence says "conspiracy", it is time to recognize it as a conspiracy. I don't feel that most of America is there yet because of the MSM confusion tactics. But, I do believe that the truth will eventually become more evident to the public. The facts cannot be denied forever.

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The pieces just keep falling together (with the aid of real investigative journalism, that is). Simpson is the founder of Fusian GPS. He had Hillary, the DNC and this Russian lady who met with Don Jr. as his clients.


https://saraacarter.com/2016-trump-t...on-operatives/


So Simpson was working for Clinton and this Russian and somehow had a meeting with the Russian the night before and after the Trump Jr. meeting. He even made talking points for the meeting. Hmmmmm.

This stuff was once called a crazy right wing conspiracy. Now that the evidence says "conspiracy", it is time to recognize it as a conspiracy. I don't feel that most of America is there yet because of the MSM confusion tactics. But, I do believe that the truth will eventually become more evident to the public. The facts cannot be denied forever.
The Russian/Trump Jr. meeting has been covered endlessly by the MSM. It has been analyzed to death by CNN. Now that even it is beginning to be exposed as more "dirty tricks" by the Clinton Campaign, DNC and intelligence agencies, it will disappear from coverage.

As long as the seed of doubt has been planted in the minds of the voters about Trump, the MSM is satisfied.

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I said a couple of weeks ago the Russia Trump Tower meeting sounded like a setup by the Democrat party. Now the onion is being peeled back. You have to wonder if the largest originator of dirty tricks and lies, Harry Reid, is somehow pulling some strings in the background, and once again laughing and wringing his hands like a HS sophomore.
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This whole situation reminds me of the Clinton e-mail situation leading up to the 2016 election. There was a continuous drip of ****ing/incriminating revelations about Hillarys and the DNC's dirty tricks and lies for about 6 months.

This FBI/Justice Dept/Obama Administration collusion to exonerate Hillary and frame Trump is the same way. One layer of the onion seems to get peeled back each week. If you are not paying attention to the whole, each layer seems to have little significance. When you step back and see all of the cumulative layers that have been revealed, you see the conspiracy. It is so broad and far-reaching, revealed bit by bit over years, that it is hard for the average Joe to absorb it's significance.

I follow it almost as a hobby. And I say, without reservation, that it is the biggest and most serious political scandal of our lifetimes. In a few years, with retrospect, I think that history will agree with that assessment. Right now, in both the media and academia, there is so much Trump derangment syndrome blind hate that this cannot be widely acknowledged.

In some areas, if you say that the Trump tax cut was good, your beer business gets boycotted. It's the same mentality that denies the facts that are being revealed to us in this scandal. The emotional distress overrides everything, including common sense.

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Trump revokes security clearance for former CIA director John Brennan

Trump revokes security clearance for former CIA director John Brennan.

President Trump has revoked the security clearance for former CIA director John Brennan, the White House announced Wednesday, in the first decision to come from a review of access for several top Obama-era intelligence and law enforcement officials.
White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders read a statement on behalf of the president during the start of the press briefing, saying Brennan “has a history that calls his credibility into question.”
The statement also said that Brennan had been "leveraging" the clearance to make "wild outbursts" and claims against the Trump administration.

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Trump revokes security clearance for former CIA director John Brennan.

President Trump has revoked the security clearance for former CIA director John Brennan, the White House announced Wednesday, in the first decision to come from a review of access for several top Obama-era intelligence and law enforcement officials.
White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders read a statement on behalf of the president during the start of the press briefing, saying Brennan “has a history that calls his credibility into question.”
The statement also said that Brennan had been "leveraging" the clearance to make "wild outbursts" and claims against the Trump administration.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...n-brennan.html

Can somebody explain why he still even had a security clearance? Would not his security clearance expire as soon as he left his government job? That would seem like a no brainer for anybody leaving their government job.
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Can somebody explain why he still even had a security clearance? Would not his security clearance expire as soon as he left his government job? That would seem like a no brainer for anybody leaving their government job.
Actually, it is more common to keep the clearance for a period of time after they leave office so that the current folks can get history/background on cases that are now new to them. Without the clearance, the discussion can't take place.

It's intended to provide smoother transitions - which makes sense.
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Actually, it is more common to keep the clearance for a period of time after they leave office so that the current folks can get history/background on cases that are now new to them. Without the clearance, the discussion can't take place.

It's intended to provide smoother transitions - which makes sense.
Actually, it makes little sense to me - but that is just me. Seems if you no longer have a job that requires a security clearance then there is no need for it.

However, I will accept your explanation of retaining the security clearance for "a period of time". I would guess a week or a month would be sufficient to share any needed knowledge.

Yet, Brennan has been gone from the CIA for over 18 months! Do you really think Pompeo is still calling Brennan to discuss classified items? Indeed, my guess is that he has never once done so.

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E-mails between Bruce Ohr and Steele have been revealed today that show Steele was worried that important "firewalls" would not hold when Comey testified before Congress. Ohr seemingly reassured him that those "firewalls" would hold.

I am sure that Congress will grill Ohr about what those firewalls were and what they were meant to protect Comey from revealing. What would they possibly want to hide from Congress?

Will Ohr plead the 5th?



There used to be some posters here who would argue that corruption against Trump within the FBI and DOJ was a right wing fantasy. Is there anyone who would like to take that position now?

The only question now is how deep will it go and how many former officials will be caught up in it?

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Corrupt People Do Not Need Security Clearances - No One Wants Their Assistance

No one is asking for Brennan's assistance. He is corrupt. He used/uses his power to steal an election and bad mouth Trump. Revoke the clearances for all those corrupt people at the top of the FBI/DOJ: Comey, Yates, Rice, McCabe, Strzok, Ohr, etc. Security clearance is a privilege, not a right.
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No one is asking for Brennan's assistance. He is corrupt. He used/uses his power to steal an election and bad mouth Trump. Revoke the clearances for all those corrupt people at the top of the FBI/DOJ: Comey, Yates, Rice, McCabe, Strzok, Ohr, etc. Security clearance is a privilege, not a right.
That would be par for the course with this administration. Why would anyone want to know what was happening the last eight years? Crazy talk.
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No one is asking for Brennan's assistance. He is corrupt. He used/uses his power to steal an election and bad mouth Trump. Revoke the clearances for all those corrupt people at the top of the FBI/DOJ: Comey, Yates, Rice, McCabe, Strzok, Ohr, etc. Security clearance is a privilege, not a right.
With the hindsight of now knowing the corrupt activity that the group you listed above engaged in solely to undermine the Trump election and Presidency, how could any reasonable person expect that these people would be trying to fulfill the original intent of continued security clearance, which was to assist the new administration?

These are people who have proven that they desire to do the opposite. Revoke baby!

Continue the colonoscopy! Ohr, you are up next. Brennan is on deck.

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With a Free Press Should Come a Fair Press

DOJ's Bruce Ohr wrote Christopher Steele was 'very concerned about Comey's firing -- afraid they will be exposed'

Sanders read a statement from Trump that cited what he described as Brennan's misleading testimony before Congress and his increasingly partisan rhetoric, saying Brennan improperly traded on his access to classified information.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...e-exposed.html

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DOJ's Bruce Ohr wrote Christopher Steele was 'very concerned about Comey's firing -- afraid they will be exposed'

Sanders read a statement from Trump that cited what he described as Brennan's misleading testimony before Congress and his increasingly partisan rhetoric, saying Brennan improperly traded on his access to classified information.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...e-exposed.html

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Hmm, Glenn Simpson caught in a lie to Congress:

During closed-door congressional testimony last year, the co-founder of Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson, claimed he had no contact with Ohr until after the presidential election. But Ohr's work emails conflict with Simpson's testimony, and show contact months earlier.

Ohr's notes also indicate that in December 2016, there was a meeting in Washington, D.C.'s Chinatown between Fusion GPS’ Simpson and Ohr, with Ohr writing, "Glen(n) gave me a memory stick."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...e-exposed.html

It's like a house of cards, and a card gets pulled out of the stack each day. At some point, it is all going to come crashing down.

How is this not worthy of a special council? And how is Mueller able to ignore this collusion with a foreign agent, who ultimately got his information from Russian agents? Instead he is prosecuting tax evasion from 2005, completely unrelated to Russian collusion or the Trump Campaign.

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Actually, it makes little sense to me - but that is just me. Seems if you no longer have a job that requires a security clearance then there is no need for it.

However, I will accept your explanation of retaining the security clearance for "a period of time". I would guess a week or a month would be sufficient to share any needed knowledge.

Yet, Brennan has been gone from the CIA for over 18 months! Do you really think Pompeo is still calling Brennan to discuss classified items? Indeed, my guess is that he has never once done so.
If they still carry a security clearance, are they still required to maintain confidentiality with sensitive materials? It seems that if it isn't carried under potential prosecution of a violation of clearance rules, that it would be covered elsewhere.

I have a close friend in the intel community. There has to be something, somewhere, if he suddenly retired this week, that he wouldn't just be able to spill the beans on security interests. I wonder if having that clearance active allows the government to prosecute those who share sensitive info.
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Judicial Watch is now suing for Brennan's communications with Senator Harry Reid.

In August 2016, just two days after Brennan briefed Senator Harry Reid and other members on Russian interference in the election, the Nevada senator wrote a letter to then-FBI director James Comey, calling the FBI to investigate Trump’s campaign.
https://saraacarter.com/will-brennan...mails-be-next/

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I have not followed the Brennan thing very closely, so those of you that have please educate me on how this works.

The part I dont understand is if Brennan was no longer at the CIA and working for government, why did he still need a government top-secret clearance? I can understand his need to continue to keep prior secrets and knowledge as privileged intel, but what was the need for him to continue having additional clearance after he left?

If you work for Merrill Lynch and quit or go work elsewhere or retire, you have to turn in your key to the documents room and electronic pass key to the front door. You simply dont get to continue coming and going as you please.

I cant think of any good reason why ex government employees still need top secret government access. Not just Brennan but anyone. To continue providing them with this sensitive access feels very deep state to me.

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Just because someone has a clearance, doesn't mean they are being fed information. It is much harder to get a clearance than it is to have it taken away. If someone is going to be consulted once they leave a position, they must have the clearance.

I contacted a friend of mine who is clearanced. Your clearance is only as good as the information being provided to you. Every clearance has a "renewal" process and that person is vetted every 5, 10, etc. years. When you get your clearance, you also sign a 75 year non-disclosure agreement. So anything you learn with your status can't be made public for your lifetime.

Some of the reasons they aren't pulled upon separation include the possibly of being consulted on matters but also testifying on matters. In the cases we are looking at in DC, the terminated or retired employees may have to testify to something that requires that status. Also, all information sharing of sensitive information has to be done through an approved system or in an approved facility. You can't have a lunch meeting at Waffle House and discuss classified info. That too is a violation.

My buddy has to drop his cell phone in a vault, has to go through multiple layers of secure access...then his computer has multiple layers of secure access just to look at info. He can't have as much as a fitbit in his facility as it transmits.

Just because one has a clearance, doesn't mean they have access to info. It is basically a normal process that enables them to speak on classified info upon separation to meet legal and government obligations. These guys have no access to databases, email, or info when they retire...
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My buddy has to drop his cell phone in a vault, has to go through multiple layers of secure access...then his computer has multiple layers of secure access just to look at info. He can't have as much as a fitbit in his facility as it transmits.

It sounds like you are describing Hillary's server setup.



Apparently, one of the biggest reasons is monetary. These government folks find lucrative jobs with private companies - many of whom do work for the government - once their government service is over. Having a clearance in hand is worth big bucks for those that have it. No wonder all these folks who are threatened with the loss of their clearance are screaming like stuck pigs.

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At the moment, the big deal about Brennan is that he denies any knowledge of the Steele Dossier before it was leaked to the press. Many people suspect that he fed it to Senator Reid at a meeting, who then sent it in a letter to the FBI two days later. There is already evidence showing that the FBI was expecting the letter from Reid. Two days after Reids letter was sent to the FBI, the dossier was leaked to the NY Times. The big question is, "Did the CIA, Senator Reid and FBI work together to spread the dossier and leak it to the press to affect the election for political purposes with the intelligence agencies?". They knew that all of the information was bought by Clinton and unverified, but leaking to the press and "officially" sharing it with the President in a briefing gave it the cover of looking more legitimate to fool voters.

This is why Judicial watch is suing for the communications between Brennan and Reid. There are Congressmen who have seen documents that we have not, who are helping to tip the investigation in this direction. If what is alleged is true, it would prove a political conspiracy against Trump within the intelligence agencies.

Why have the FBI and the Democratic Party been working overtime to conceal records within the FBI and doing anything that they can to obstruct Congressional investigation? They are hoping to run out the clock and take control of Congress. That would be the end of Congressional hearings and many in the deep state would suddenly be "off the hook". This is why Comey is tweeting "Vote Democrat" and the rest of the former intelligence agency guys are getting crazy and saying whacko things. The heat is on right now. The whole house of cards is in jeopardy.

I had to post this to put everything in it's proper perspective. It is a confusing mess unless you have been following it in detail for the last few years. If you watch CNN, you are utterly uninformed about any of this.

Look back at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...unday-you.html

Democrats' Senate leader hints at intelligence revenge plot on Trump as he says 'they have six ways from Sunday to get back at you'
Top Senate Democrat said last week that Trump was 'dumb' to take on spy agencies that have the ability to hurt him
'Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday to get back at you,' he told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow
Trump got burned today by a leak of that caliber; he says all the information in a dossier or dirt allegedly held by Russia is untrue
Furious Trump called it 'fake news' and slammed intelligence agencies for allowing it to 'leak' into public'
Reports of the document's existence surfaced on CNN on evening before Trump held major press conference
Buzzfeed admitted the documents were unverified and contained clear errors - but published it anyway

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Despite Comey Assurances, Vast Bulk of Weiner Laptop Emails Were Never Examined

Despite Comey Assurances, Vast Bulk of Weiner Laptop Emails Were Never Examined.

One career FBI special agent involved in the case complained to New York colleagues that officials in Washington tried to “bury" the new trove of evidence, which he believed contained the full archive of Clinton's emails — including long-sought missing messages from her first months at the State Department.

“There was no real investigation and no real search,” said Michael Biasello, a 27-year veteran of the FBI. "It was all just show — eyewash — to make it look like there was an investigation before the election.”

https://www.realclearinvestigations....20180824125639

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Despite Comey Assurances, Vast Bulk of Weiner Laptop Emails Were Never Examined.

One career FBI special agent involved in the case complained to New York colleagues that officials in Washington tried to “bury" the new trove of evidence, which he believed contained the full archive of Clinton's emails — including long-sought missing messages from her first months at the State Department.

“There was no real investigation and no real search,” said Michael Biasello, a 27-year veteran of the FBI. "It was all just show — eyewash — to make it look like there was an investigation before the election.”

https://www.realclearinvestigations....20180824125639
Unbelievable. On the other side if someone who once knew Trump thinks about jaywalking, there are grand juries and federal prosecutors. What a fair world!
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Unbelievable. On the other side if someone who once knew Trump thinks about jaywalking, there are grand juries and federal prosecutors. What a fair world!
This is why the public will never get behind the no-holds-barred fishing expedition on anyone and anything involved in the Trump campaign that we call the Mueller investigation.

Trump and his people are under a microscope (And they are there through deception perpetrated by political opponents in the deep state) while the elephant in the room is completely ignored.

Jeff Sessions claims that politics will "not influence the Justice Department" under his watch, while he ignores evidence of the biggest political corruption (within the DOJ) case in the history of the country as it passes under his nose.

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FBI official says bureau leaked stories, then used them to get FISA warrants

Jonathan Moffa, who worked with controversial former FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, testified last Friday behind closed doors before the House Judiciary Committee and House Oversight Committee.
The source with knowledge of his statements confirmed to Fox News that Moffa said FBI personnel would use media reports based on information they leaked to justify applications for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants.

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Jonathan Moffa, who worked with controversial former FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, testified last Friday behind closed doors before the House Judiciary Committee and House Oversight Committee.
The source with knowledge of his statements confirmed to Fox News that Moffa said FBI personnel would use media reports based on information they leaked to justify applications for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-warrants.html
Good, good. So the FBI has been cheating the system to mislead judges who were put there to prevent abuses of the surveillance power of the government.

I have friends who are posting lists that compare convictions of bureaucrats in different administrations, suggesting that Trump is corrupt. No administration has been subjected to this level of illegally prompted surveillance and seizure. If you do this in any administration, you will find people who did something illegal at some point in their lives. Nailing a guy who was involved in the campaign for a month on 15 year old tax charges is not reflective of the administration. It is only being done because the FBI was setting up Trump with fake charges and got Congress to give them all access prosecutorial powers in a special council by presenting fake evidence. The whole thing is soooooo wrong. A lot of previously sensible people are just going along with it because even though they know it is a farce, they like the end result of hurting a President that they want to stop, even though he won the election. It's a silent coup. Their ideology is bigger than the election results.

I wonder how they will react if these abuses were to be turned on a politician of their liking? Once you stomp on the rule of law for your own purposes, it's tough to put that genie back in the bottle when it comes back to hurt you.

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I have not followed the Brennan thing very closely, so those of you that have please educate me on how this works.

The part I dont understand is if Brennan was no longer at the CIA and working for government, why did he still need a government top-secret clearance? I can understand his need to continue to keep prior secrets and knowledge as privileged intel, but what was the need for him to continue having additional clearance after he left?

If you work for Merrill Lynch and quit or go work elsewhere or retire, you have to turn in your key to the documents room and electronic pass key to the front door. You simply dont get to continue coming and going as you please.

I cant think of any good reason why ex government employees still need top secret government access. Not just Brennan but anyone. To continue providing them with this sensitive access feels very deep state to me.

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Chris, no doubt the system is abused and is typical of government programs. But most likely a primary reason high ranking officials retain their clearance is that they then remain available for consultation by others in government, all branches. Otherwise a new Sec of Def, for example, could not discuss classified material with a predecessor or another person previously holding a cleared government employee.

There is yet another angle re holding a security clearance. I don't know whether or not all members of congress are cleared at the same level. But let's suppose an Ohio congressman/woman has a top secret clearance. The Sec of Def, for example, cannot casually discuss a particular top secret project with that congress person unless that person has a need to know.

The appropriate level of clearance is not sufficient for two cleared people to share or discuss classified information. There must be a need for both to "know" the information, i.e., the "need to know". The same goes for cleared people in the private sector.

Needless to say, the rules often are abused, especially at the government level. It's my experience that in the private sector security is taken more seriously. Not surprising.
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SOURCES: China Hacked Hillary Clinton’s Private Email Server

SOURCES: China Hacked Hillary Clinton’s Private Email Server

A Chinese-owned company penetrated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private server, according to sources briefed on the matter.
The company inserted code that forwarded copies of Clinton’s emails to the Chinese company in real time.
The Intelligence Community Inspector General warned of the problem, but the FBI subsequently failed to act, Texas Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert said during a July hearing.

The company that penetrated Clinton’s server was not a technology firm and it served as a “front group” for the Chinese government, the source told TheDCNF.

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SOURCES: China Hacked Hillary Clinton’s Private Email Server

A Chinese-owned company penetrated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private server, according to sources briefed on the matter. The company inserted code that forwarded copies of Clinton’s emails to the Chinese company in real time.

The Intelligence Community Inspector General warned of the problem, but the FBI subsequently failed to act, Texas Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert said during a July hearing.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/c...linton-server/
They got all 30 some thousand of them in real time from her bathroom server, some classified, top secret. It is highly likely they shared them with their allies and friends - e.g. Russia.

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Gregg Jarrett: The scheme from Bruce Ohr and Comey's confederates to clear Clinton, damage Trump

Gregg Jarrett: The scheme from Bruce Ohr and Comey's confederates to clear Clinton, damage Trump.

Director James Comey knew the FBI was incorruptible. This is precisely why he seized control of the investigation of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s email practices covering her time as secretary of state, instead of allowing the FBI field office to conduct the probe.

By commandeering control of the investigation, Comey and his confederates could twist the facts and contort the law to dictate the outcome they desired. Clinton was the beneficiary of what FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe reportedly described as the “HQ special.”

The same is true of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation. The very people who cleared Clinton of crimes – despite strong evidence that she broke the law – also assumed unfettered authority over the so-called “collusion” investigation to determine if Donald Trump’s presidential campaign worked with Russia to help Trump become president.

Bruce Ohr - It was a direct violation of FBI procedures to use a discredited source who had also broken an agreement with the FBI. To circumvent its rules, the bureau used Ohr as a conduit to continue its relationship with Steele. It appears that Ohr would communicate with Steele, then endeavor to pass on the information to the FBI. Peter Strzok, the FBI’s lead investigator in the Trump-Russia probe, confirmed in his congressional testimony that “the FBI received documents and material from Mr. Ohr.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...age-trump.html

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Nellie Ohr

Nellie Ohr

Bruce Ohr was peddling the false Steele document while benefiting from it financially. His wife, Nellie Ohr, worked on the “dossier” as an employee of Fusion GPS and was getting paid to do so by the Clinton campaign. Money was going into the Ohrs’ bank account at the same time Bruce Ohr was using his position at the Justice Department to advance this false intelligence document.

Not only did Bruce Ohr fail to disclose that Fusion GPS was paying his wife, but it appears he did not fully report the nature of the work performed in financial disclosure reports as required under Justice Department regulations. Willfully filing a false government report constitutes a crime under federal law – specifically 8 U.S.C. (United States Code) 1001.

It is also against the law to use a public official for personal financial gain. This runs afoul of the federal bribery and gratuity statutes (18 U.S.C. 201-b and 18 U.S.C. 201-c) and is a violation of the honest services fraud statute (18 U.S. C. 1346). These are serious felonies. Yet, there appears to be no known investigation of Ohr by the Justice Department, where he is still employed.

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