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After this revelation by Maddog07, I have changed my opinion of a degree from UD.
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After this revelation by Maddog07, I have changed my opinion of a degree from UD.
So you're taking him at his word? Interesting.
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What makes you think his education is (a) lacking and (b) it's undeniable? Did sWimpy tell you??
He’s spent two additional years “ in school”. Both because he wasn’t equipped for the next level. That’s undeniable. Hardly a rocket scientist and therefore a reasonable supposition that he would chose professional basketball before getting a degree.
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He’s spent two additional years “ in school”. Both because he wasn’t equipped for the next level. That’s undeniable. Hardly a rocket scientist and therefore a reasonable supposition that he would chose professional basketball before getting a degree.
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But since he's academically eligible, it's 'undeniable' that he actually was equipped for the next level. Hardly rocket science to figure that out...regardless of how unreasonable you are.
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Originally Posted by maddog07 View Post
He’s spent two additional years “ in school”. Both because he wasn’t equipped for the next level. That’s undeniable. Hardly a rocket scientist and therefore a reasonable supposition that he would chose professional basketball before getting a degree.
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Do you even consider that fact that he is a very talented basketball player who's worked hard at his craft? And part of that is his work in the classroom? And keeping his nose clean? And obviously becoming a fan favorite and ambassador for UD?

I know several "rocket scientists" who never set foot on a college campus.

The fact that you even felt the need to put the above statement in print speaks volumes about you.
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All those are true. Still he’s demonstrated that school is difficult ( evidenced by two added years of remedial schooling) and would seem to increase the odds of him leaving before completing his degree and almost certainly before graduating. Should he go through senior year he’d be 24; almost eligible for social security.

Pretty entertaining how espousing anything less than the red and blue happy party line really bothers the realistically challenged.
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Pretty entertaining how espousing anything less than the red and blue happy party line really bothers the realistically challenged.
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Most of us are OK with any color(s) as long as it's accurate, which your claims aren't.

For example, year 1 of his 'remedial' schooling was 100% a factor of not getting any D1 offers in basketball. Obi went to Prep School to work on his recruitment...Nothing more. Nothing less.

For example II, year 2 of 'remedial' schooling was as a redshirt freshman at UD...which last I checked isn't a 'remedial' anything...unless you're saying he went to _avier before UD in which case you have a point.

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So you're taking him at his word? Interesting.
I agree. The only college campus the Dog has been on was one noncredit semester of trolling 101 at egezavier.
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I totally agree with Rollo (to remain eligible to play he must be advancing in a normal sequence towards his degree within 5 years). As a former athlete, I attended a few classes, as electives, filled with other athletes. No one loves UD more than I do, but it is possible to attend enough easy classes to stay eligible and earn a degree. At least UD athletes must attend the classes and fulfill the course requirements; see North Carolina...
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NBA draft: 233 early-entry prospects declare for 2019

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It may be awhile till we find out about Obi. The new rule says a college player can sign with an agent and go through the draft on June 20, then return to college, as long as he discontinues all agent contact at that point.

Declaring for the Draft does not have the same meaning as it did in previous years, provided a kid does not take agent money or advances.
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It may be awhile till we find out about Obi. The new rule says a college player can sign with an agent and go through the draft on June 20, then return to college, as long as he discontinues all agent contact at that point.

Declaring for the Draft does not have the same meaning as it did in previous years, provided a kid does not take agent money or advances.
Players returning to college have to return before the draft, but I cannot remember the exact date off the top of my head, but I believe it is May 29. Most will return to their college teams after the Draft Combine, which is May May 16-20.
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Players returning to college have to return before the draft, but I cannot remember the exact date off the top of my head, but I believe it is May 29. Most will return to their college teams after the Draft Combine, which is May May 16-20.
Not the new rule. Players who go to the combine, and then go undrafted can return to school after the draft date.

https://www.si.com/college-basketbal...nges-explained

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Not the new rule. Players who go to the combine, and then go undrafted can return to school after the draft date.

https://www.si.com/college-basketbal...nges-explained

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/08/col...ed-players-fbi
That is only for players that compete in the combine. There are only 80 players that get to go to the combine and that includes seniors, and foreign players. If they are not invited they have to return by May 29.
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That is only for players that compete in the combine. There are only 80 players that get to go to the combine and that includes seniors, and foreign players. If they are not invited they have to return by May 29.
Correct.
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Because I've watched the NBA D league. It's often unwatchable. Unlike UD, where the team's success is your success, in the NBADL it's often a s**tshow. 1-on-1 garbage, big men playing foul line to foul line, "coaching" can be a very loose term, you could end up on a terrible team that doesn't try hard (making you look bad with them), and your success is largely dependent on people who do not have a vested interest in your success because they want to be the guy getting the attention.

If Obi gets the ball 4x per game because the guards won't throw it to him when he's in position, and thus averages 6 points per game, and the coach says "well just keep working for the ball", then it was a wasted year.

Or he could stay at UD where he's going to be THE centerpiece of a very good team.

I'd say there are reasons to stay at UD. It's all the same facts, it's just a matter of which risks and rewards you give higher weight to.


Minor league baseball works much better this way: it's basically an individual game. Sure, the catcher can tell the batter a fastball is coming ("it hit the bull") but generally every player can be basically judged on their own merits.
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Because I've watched the NBA D league. It's often unwatchable. Unlike UD, where the team's success is your success, in the NBADL it's often a s**tshow. 1-on-1 garbage, big men playing foul line to foul line, "coaching" can be a very loose term, you could end up on a terrible team that doesn't try hard (making you look bad with them), and your success is largely dependent on people who do not have a vested interest in your success because they want to be the guy getting the attention.

If Obi gets the ball 4x per game because the guards won't throw it to him when he's in position, and thus averages 6 points per game, and the coach says "well just keep working for the ball", then it was a wasted year.

Or he could stay at UD where he's going to be THE centerpiece of a very good team.

I'd say there are reasons to stay at UD. It's all the same facts, it's just a matter of which risks and rewards you give higher weight to.


Minor league baseball works much better this way: it's basically an individual game. Sure, the catcher can tell the batter a fastball is coming ("it hit the bull") but generally every player can be basically judged on their own merits.
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Obi would most likely be better off staying for one more season. The only way I feel I could be wrong is if I'm underestimating his potential to go in the first round this year. I don't think I am. And the quickest, easiest, safest path to the NBA is by being 1st round pick. I don't believe he is this year but has a fantastic shot at being one next year. And draft status matters a lot. Very unlikely that an NBA team will give a g-league player nearly the chances they would a first round pick, even if all things were equal, or yes, even if the G-League player looks like he might be better.

I've thought about Minor league baseball also and realize that farm teams in baseball will naturally work where it just doesn't seem feasible for basketball. Baseball has a lot of movement of players where basketball doesn't. Due to injury, suspension, and other things, you might need a starting pitcher, a relief pitcher, a hybrid pitcher, a 2nd baseman, Shortstop, 3rd baseman, catcher, corner outfielder or middle outfielder. In the NBA, you might need maybe one of 3 or 4 different things at times less seldom.

Minor league baseball is a lucrative business. Minor league baseball is less about the actual quality of the game than basketball is to the fans. Heck, in MiLB, your team can get derailed by success. The better your players perform the more likely they will be plucked by the majors. But baseball no matter what level, is as much about the Sun, the food and the social aspect to the fans as it is about the game.

Basketball has their lucrative minor leagues in place and that's NCAA basketball and by the nature of the game, no way will that be replaced by some kind of semi-pro game. Development for basketball will always resemble the practice squads of the NFL than it ever will the minor leagues of baseball.

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Because I've watched the NBA D league. It's often unwatchable. Unlike UD, where the team's success is your success, in the NBADL it's often a s**tshow. 1-on-1 garbage, big men playing foul line to foul line, "coaching" can be a very loose term, you could end up on a terrible team that doesn't try hard (making you look bad with them), and your success is largely dependent on people who do not have a vested interest in your success because they want to be the guy getting the attention.

If Obi gets the ball 4x per game because the guards won't throw it to him when he's in position, and thus averages 6 points per game, and the coach says "well just keep working for the ball", then it was a wasted year.

Or he could stay at UD where he's going to be THE centerpiece of a very good team.

I'd say there are reasons to stay at UD. It's all the same facts, it's just a matter of which risks and rewards you give higher weight to.


Minor league baseball works much better this way: it's basically an individual game. Sure, the catcher can tell the batter a fastball is coming ("it hit the bull") but generally every player can be basically judged on their own merits.
I don't disagree with your assessment. I just think it doesn't matter. The issue is what value does a kid put on what he is told by the NBA scouts or whomever does the evaluations and what direction do those people now (and in the future) advise a kid.

I don't watch G-League and probably never will. But if the people making the assessments are telling kids that they will get more out of G-League practices and full time commitment, it would be shortsighted to believe that sloppy games in Delaware are going to sway a kid.

It is a transition time. I have no doubt that Gazoo is dead on accurate as to how ugly the D-League was. But if the NBA truly wants the D-League to now be "Triple A" then this is a paradigm change.

I think/hope we are at the front end of this with Obi so it may not be a consideration but it will potentially be a very real issue moving forward. The pay may be minimal but the payoff in the NBA or Europe may be worth it for some kids. Any thought that the college education is worth X is an indication that you are looking at thru your own eyes and not seeing it thru the wide eye view of a kid who believes (right or wrong) they can make a living or better playing a game they (hopefully) love.

I am not saying they are making a good decision; I'm also not saying they are not. It will differ kid to kid. But what we think is best is not viewed the same way a kid will view it. There has always been the danger of sycophants with every talented kid. But now the risk is advisers with ties to the NBA. Until we really understand how the G-League factors in to their assessments, it is a concern. The G-League may be an utter failure. The NBA assessments may never recommend the G-League or only to a kid that is at best disinterested, the issue is we don't know and our opinion of "should" would have improve 100% to work its way to irrelevant.

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Personally I would like to see Obi stay one more year because as a fan it’s going to be a great ride if he does.

I think his mom would like to see him stay one more year to 1. get his third year of college paid for on an academic scholarship (making one year to complete a degree if needed down the road.) 2. Continue to mature another year as a person. She mentioned this during a DDN interview. 3. I think both Obi and his mom really like UD and everyone envolved with the men’s b-ball program. 4. I think another year would help improve his placement in the draft and thus increase his earnings as a pro faster. But #4 might be a mute point. If the guy’s got game, he’s going to make it.

Finally, I think Obi is doing exactly what he should be doing. He is checking out all his options. With all the rule changes I would have been shocked if he wasn’t taking advantage of getting some professional opinions as to where he is in the pecking order and evaluations on his game.
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We also can't forget that the college environment is unique to the USofA. There are 13 year old kids who go pro in soccer in Europe and their mothers don't say "oh but you'll miss out on a year of your college education!!" Screw that, go to college later after you blow out your knee. If the best path to the pros is the D league, then Obi should go to the D league--every day and twice on Sunday.

But, that's not what the D league is right now, in my opinion.

Many baseball players see the balance. The minors is a great way to develop. If you're a can't-miss talent you go to the minors. (Exception: the team that drafts you gets stingy with the signing bonus so you re-enter after a year of college.) If you're good, but not a can't-miss talent, well there is something of real value in getting your education paid for.
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We also can't forget that the college environment is unique to the USofA. There are 13 year old kids who go pro in soccer in Europe and their mothers don't say "oh but you'll miss out on a year of your college education!!" Screw that, go to college later after you blow out your knee. If the best path to the pros is the D league, then Obi should go to the D league--every day and twice on Sunday.

But, that's not what the D league is right now, in my opinion.

Many baseball players see the balance. The minors is a great way to develop. If you're a can't-miss talent you go to the minors. (Exception: the team that drafts you gets stingy with the signing bonus so you re-enter after a year of college.) If you're good, but not a can't-miss talent, well there is something of real value in getting your education paid for.
Baseball has different rules, if you don't sign out of high school and go to a D1 program, You are out of the draft for 3 years.
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Baseball has different rules, if you don't sign out of high school and go to a D1 program, You are out of the draft for 3 years.
This is the rule that I want for basketball.
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This is the rule that I want for basketball.
That would be great and would certainly solve a lot of issues, but I don't see the NCAA doing anything that might threaten the cash cow that is March Madness.
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That would be great and would certainly solve a lot of issues, but I don't see the NCAA doing anything that might threaten the cash cow that is March Madness.
That is not an NCAA rule. It is an MLB rule.
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Couple of caveats, as CE80 said, its an MLB rule, not an NCAA rule, same with football. There is also a stipulation (unless its changed recently) that you could play Juco baseball and if you graduated in 1 year, you could enter the draft, or after 2 years. Bryce Harper graduated HS early, spend 1 year at a Juco then entered the draft. Graduation may not even be a requirement; not sure exactly.


It would probably be a win-win if the NBA had a similar arrangement, leave after HS or Juco and enter the draft and either go straight to the league, or develop in the G league.


Regarding Obi, the benefit of college is that you get a more controlled atmosphere to develop. Granted, you get less time, and there is school work involved, but he knows what he's walking into and who is working with him. Go the G league route, and its anybody's guess, unless he goes un-drafted, which is even worse. He also gets a chance to make a "name" for himself nationally. If UD goes out and dominates in Mauii, and Obi makes a handful of highlight reel plays, he'll quickly become appointment television for the basketball junkies. Keep improving as he did last year and he'll find his name on wooden watches and other national award lists. Zion Williamson likely would have been a top 5 pick coming out of HS if he has that option, so going #1 this year isn't going to increase his NBA paycheck all that much. However, becoming the face of college basketball increased his brand awareness a ton and will lead to much larger endorsement deals over the next few months than he could have garnered a year ago. I honestly think Obi has the chance to become something on the level of Adam Morrison or Steph Curry on the college basketball scene. Obviously those guys had very different NBA careers, and Obi is a long ways away from being a lottery pick like they were, but both were the players the "cool kids" were talking about, the ones that you if you knew and watched them play their sophomore seasons then you truely were a basketball junkie, not just some dude who turns up in march and roots for kentucky or Duke.
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That is not an NCAA rule. It is an MLB rule.
Call me cynical, but I guess I wouldn't count on the NBA doing anything that would upset the apple cart for the NCAA and sports betting industry on the billion-plus dollar March Madness cash cow.
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Call me cynical, but I guess I wouldn't count on the NBA doing anything that would upset the apple cart for the NCAA and sports betting industry on the billion-plus dollar March Madness cash cow.
March Madness is king regardless of one and dones. The only thing missing if you allow them to go straight pro is the hatred of the Dook and KY one and dones.
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Call me cynical, but I guess I wouldn't count on the NBA doing anything that would upset the apple cart for the NCAA and sports betting industry on the billion-plus dollar March Madness cash cow.
NBA cares about NBA money, not NCAA and their money. Pro sports will always take care of their own interests first. If the NBA cared about NCAA basketball, they would not have instituted the One and Done rule to begin with.
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NBA cares about NBA money, not NCAA and their money. Pro sports will always take care of their own interests first. If the NBA cared about NCAA basketball, they would not have instituted the One and Done rule to begin with.
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So when does evaluation take place and Obi knows what they think?
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So when does evaluation take place and Obi knows what they think?
Last year the NBA released the 80 players on the combine list on May 5th so we'll know more about Obi's future near that time.

This year the NBA is only inviting 60 players directly to the combine. There is a new G-league Elite Camp May 12-14 with 40 seniors and underclassmen. The top players from that camp will advance from there to the NBA combine on May 15.

If Obi is not on the list of 40 invited directly to the Combine, his chances of being drafted are quiet low so he would most likely be better off returning to school.

175 underlclassmen (and 58 internationals) declared for the draft this year, down from 181 last year.

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Whoa ! I sure hope Chase Johnson can stay healthy. In that pic he appears to be taller than Obi, and packs a man's frame.

Obi, You should think about where this ship is going next season and stick around for a great ride!
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Whoa ! I sure hope Chase Johnson can stay healthy. In that pic he appears to be taller than Obi, and packs a man's frame.

Obi, You should think about where this ship is going next season and stick around for a great ride!
Jhery Matos has been hitting the weights as well!
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At least some combine invites were issued last evening. I was looking for the date and found this: https://www.rockytoptalk.com/2019/4/...combine-invite
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At least some combine invites were issued last evening. I was looking for the date and found this: https://www.rockytoptalk.com/2019/4/...combine-invite
Along with Bone another invite was 6'4" Soph guard Jaylen Nowell, the Pac-12 Player of the Year from Washington who averaged 16.2 points, 5.3 rebounds and 3.1 assists.

Continuing the run on guards were 2 more Juniors. St. John's star Shamorie Ponds and Yale PG Miye Oni received NBA Combine invites May 15-19 in Chicago, they told ZAGSBLOG. The 6'1" Ponds averaged 19.7 points, 5.1 assists and 4.1 rebounds. According to ESPN Ponds, a Brooklyn native is projected no. 51 in the Draft which is June 20 in Brooklyn.

The 6'6" Oni averaged 17.1 points, 3.6 assists and 6.3 rebounds.

There are over 230 (233 to be exact) underclassman who have declared but only 50 or 60 players are expected to get Combine invites.

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Interesting that the NBA sent teams a list of 16 players who are automatically eligible for the the 2019 draft. These are international players who signed professional basketball contracts prior to Jan. 1, 2019. On the list is Matej Svoboda, DAYTON/SVITAVY CZECH REPUBLIC.

I would think Kostas Antetokounmpo has a better chance of eventually playing in the NBA than Matej does. If he hasn't improved considerably from his time as a Flyer he probably will remain a pro in the Czech Republic League.
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Based on competition and openings in the NBA, it would appear that Obi has about a 50/50 shot at making it to the NBA this go round. He has a 100% shot at improving his bargaining power if he returns to a loaded team and makes a run next March (assuming he stays healthy).
Whatever he decides will cause pain or elation...for a while!
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Based on competition and openings in the NBA, it would appear that Obi has about a 50/50 shot at making it to the NBA this go round. He has a 100% shot at improving his bargaining power if he returns to a loaded team and makes a run next March (assuming he stays healthy).
Whatever he decides will cause pain or elation...for a while!
It’s far less than 50% right now. He isn’t listed in the top 100 draft eligible players. Unless you’re a first rounder there’s no guarantee of making the league.
He needs to improve his stock for next year and then see where he lands.
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There is a twitter account (NBA Draft God) posting NBA combine invites. No idea how legit an account it is. Obi is not on the list. I have not scrubbed this list for duplicates - links to tweets below. There is still a path to the combine through the G League Elite camp. Another 40 players will get a shot there to get an invite.


- Jordan Nwora (Louisville)

- Shamorie Ponds (St. John’s)

- Miye Oni (Yale)

- Brian Bowen (USA)

- Tariq Owens (Texas Tech), Alternate + G League Elite Camp

- Ky Bowman (Boston College)

- Eric Paschall (Villanova)

- Jordan Bone (Tennessee)

- DeAndre Hunter (Virginia)

- Neemias Queta (Utah St)

- Grant Williams (Tennessee)

- Nic Claxton (Georgia)

- Romeo Langford (Indiana)

- Rui Hachimura (Gonzaga)

- Darius Bazley (USA)

- Darius Garland (Vanderbilt)

- Tres Tinkle (Oregon State)

- Payton Pritchard (Oregon)

- Chris Silva (South Carolina)

- Jalen Pickett (Siena)

- Robert Franks (Washington State)

- Jordan Davis (Northern Colorado)

- Luke Maye (UNC)

- Kyle Guy (Virginia)

- Zion Williamson (Duke)

- Jarrett Culver (Texas Tech)

- Dylan Windler (Belmont)

- Admiral Schofield (Tennessee)

- Isaiah Roby (Nebraska)

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Haha - OK - that one isn't my fault.
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Haha - OK - that one isn't my fault.

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I expect Obi to be back next year because it’s the smart move for his professional career. And that’s what he, his family, AG and the entire Flyer Nation is supporting him and advising him and helping him work towards.

The following info was taken from several internet postings, so not all facts may be correct...but if not, I think it’s close...and please add to this or post corrections.

His junior year in high school, he was the backup point guard.
He grew 5”.
His senior year he played forward.
He didn’t dunk until halfway thru his senior year.
He got no D1 offers out of high school.
He spent a year at a prep school.
He spent a red shirt year at UD.
He earned Rookie of the Year when he finally earned playing time last year.
He set a school record for dunks in a season with more than 80.
He was the only A10 player mentioned by NBA media-types during the A10 Tournament as an NBA prospect.
He’s had a tryout practice with the SA Spurs.

Wow. What a 4-year ride. The kind of stuff movies are made of.
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In the Sports section of the NY Times on Sunday, May 5, there is a front page article entitled "From Shunned to Star at Home" on Giannis Antetokounmpo and his family's life in Athens after immigrating from Nigeria. While there is no mention of Obi, the article mentions Giannis" "brothers" with whom he played street and then formal basketball.

For all those who criticized Obi for leaving UD and all of us, this should be mandatory reading showing what Giannis and his family put up with and struggled through as immigrants in a city and country did not want them and only revered and accepted him when he was drafted and became a NBA superstar.

You do what you have to do for your family and yourself. People may criticize you but too bad. Sometimes you are right and sometimes you are wrong.

Having read the article, I have an appreciation for why Obi chose to enter the draft. If he comes back, great, but if not, even though he may have talents that need to be refined and strengthened, I hope he is an athletic and financial success at whatever level he plays.
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I think you need to replace the word Obi with Kostas in your first two paragraphs🤔🤫

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Actually he is ok with the way he wrote it. A tad unclear at first but correct. He is stating that those that criticize Obi for declaring for the draft should read the story.
I happen to think that most posters see that the move to declare was a good move by Obi to test the waters and get a feel of where he needs to be for a possible move next year.
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That story is old and been circulating for years. Kostas has his brothers money to fall back on while obi doesn’t.
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I don't see why it's so hard for people to understand that you can understand why someone made a decision without agreeing with it.

I think Kostas made the wrong choice, and should have worked hard to stick out one more year to maximize his value. But I also understand that people are damaged by the world around them and sometimes make suboptimal decisions because of it.

According to some people that means I "hate" Kostas. Chill, folks. I just disagree.
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Correct, his mind was made up before he came. A former Asst was interviewed when Kostas declared and was quoted in an article at the time. He said that the coaches were well aware when Kostas committed, he was coming here for two years.

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Obi not on the invite list for the G League combine. Not sure if the main combine still has spots
Obi not among 61 players invited to the NBA Combine as of May 3rd

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I have progressed through the stages of pragmatism, anxiousness, agitation, rationalization, ticked off and whatever else. It's because I really really want to see this team with a healthy Obi on it. No more drivel about we will be fine, when there is a chance we could be GREAT!!

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I'm no expert on the process but I would think if he had a chance to go in the 1st round he would have been invited to one of the combines by now
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According to his instagram story, Obi is at the Cavs training facility. (I don't know how to link instagram stories.)
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I'm no expert on the process but I would think if he had a chance to go in the 1st round he would have been invited to one of the combines by now
That certainly seems reasonable but I don't know either. He is getting individual team visits. When I followed the Sixers closer, i do recall they generally brought in multiple players on each visit and some clearly were not in the draft mix but played the same position as one or more of the other kids in on that visit.

It would be interesting to see who else was visiting the teams Obi is. I will say I am far too lazy to do that myself.
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Interesting as Pop and R.C. Buford are known for spotting talent early and developing players. With two first round picks who knows.
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Interesting as Pop and R.C. Buford are known for spotting talent early and developing players. With two first round picks who knows.
Initially I thought the same thing, but their two picks are 19 and 29 in the first round. with 60 picks in the first TWO rounds, I’m not inclined to think Obi goes that high. Now if they trade one of those for multi picks and one is in the 50s then you’ve got my attention.

Not sure how these private workouts stand up against a combine appearance. If teams fine a diamond in the rough, and have space/money to take a chance on a project, they will pull the trigger. Dallas is working that approach with Kostas. I’m inclined to think Obi is farther along right now. He’ll have to decide if another year gets him in big time pay/contract next year, or this year is the right time to go with less guarantees.
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Obi is in Boston now per his instagram story. The Spurs story seemed encouraging ,but I hope he returns unless someone gives him an assurance of a first round pick. In 18 days we will know his decision.
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I wonder if anyone who hasn't been invited to combine has ever been a first round pick
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According to this article only 11 college players who were not invited to the NBA combine were drafted in the last 5 years.
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Also since he wasn't invited to the G league combine either it would be a rare event for
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Here is Obi's Boston workout from the Celtic's fanbase's perspective.
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I saw an LSU player who entered the draft has announced his return to college. Let these announcements begin...
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According to WHIO Obi had a pre-draft workout with the Hawks this past Monday.
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I believe there is 1 week left for Obi to decide....stay or go.
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Does anyone know if Obi is still attending classes, or did he put the brakes on that while he accommodates tryouts? Has he jeopardized his academic standing?
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Does anyone know if Obi is still attending classes, or did he put the brakes on that while he accommodates tryouts? Has he jeopardized his academic standing?

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At first, when he declared for the draft, I wasn't particularly concerned. Now though, he has had workouts with four different NBA teams. I'm thinking he's gone. Is anyone else getting that opinion?
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In answer to a question about number of workouts yesterday on Instagram, Obi answered "5 so far".
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In answer to a question about number of workouts yesterday on Instagram, Obi answered "5 so far".
Knowing what a talent he is it is hard to believe that he didn't impress at least one of the five in the workouts enough to pique their interest! We can only hope that the statement he made about the transfers being so talented that it is like having two teams leads him to return for another season because he could be a high first round pick in 2020 with additional personal and team success next season.

OSU Flyer posted the following quote from Jon Rothstein on another thread. "If Dayton gets Obi Toppin back, look out." "Flyers are expected to return three double-figure scorers and FOUR transfers; Jordy Tshimanga (Nebraska, Ibi Watson (Michigan), Rodney Chatman (Chattanooga) & Chase Johnson (Florida)." "Won 21 last season and made NIT." The post got 13 thanks (Mad Props) but should have gotten one from every UD Prider!

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Well the hawks brought in 6 players to look at the day Obi was there.
The other 5 players are off the radar not likely being drafted players.
If the other workouts were similar I don't think it means much in terms
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At first, when he declared for the draft, I wasn't particularly concerned. Now though, he has had workouts with four different NBA teams. I'm thinking he's gone. Is anyone else getting that opinion?
I’m a “no”. Based on a lot of things, but at the top of that are where each of these teams have draft picks. I do not see him as a top 30 Pick this year. So the smart long-term professional career decision is to come back next year and shoot for a first-round spot in 2020. Everyone advising and working with Obi is working towards his professional career including everyone associated with UD.

The only thing that might tip this towards not returning is if he is having issues with grades. That would clearly tip the scale to him not returning. But I haven’t heard anything along those lines.

Time will tell.
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Put me and any basketball knowledge I have in the column of “people who think Obi will get drafted this year.”
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Obi is a great player and has things to work on. With that said, right now there are others like him...many like him...in the league.
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On Obi's mother's twitter this morning
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The only thing that might tip this towards not returning is if he is having issues with grades. That would clearly tip the scale to him not returning. But I haven’t heard anything along those lines. Time will tell.
What will tip this toward not returning is his performance in these various team pre-draft workouts. As we know, Obi displays better than average individual skills for a player his size. I have no clue what all is included in a "pre-draft workout" but if it is strictly individual show-n-tell, Obi has an edge.
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At first, when he declared for the draft, I wasn't particularly concerned. Now though, he has had workouts with four different NBA teams. I'm thinking he's gone. Is anyone else getting that opinion?
Kostas got drafted last year. If you were drafting, who would you take first Kostas or Obi? Put me down for - Obi is going. I hope I am wrong.
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Obi will not get drafted, nor will a dozen other really good players. Will he leave is a different question. That depends on things like his tolerance of going to class, who is whispering in his ear and promises some teams make.
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Would he be satisfied with a non-guaranteed 2nd round pick next month? I dunno. Versus a high probability of a minimum late first round in June of 2020? Ka-ching!

Then what's the probability, if neither of the above happens, of marinating in a good Euro spot making some scratch for a year?

Lots of variables he is dealing with. Not the least of which is a good squad at Dayton that would surround him, being fed by a point guard who knows his moves and can set a UD record for assists. Does he risk getting hurt and having the buzz disappear?

I'm leaning he does not return to UD, aside from the draft.

I sure want him back.
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Kostas got drafted last year. If you were drafting, who would you take first Kostas or Obi? Put me down for - Obi is going. I hope I am wrong.
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Kostas got drafted last year. If you were drafting, who would you take first Kostas or Obi? Put me down for - Obi is going. I hope I am wrong.

Obi has more skills but Kostas wasn't drafted based on his skills. He was drafted because of his last name and, because of that last name, the hope that he would develop like his brother did.

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Regarding a potential injury in the 19/20 season...if he is playing on a G League team or overseas, do they have to keep him under contract after the one year is up? I’m not sure but I think it’s a no. If he got hurt at UD he would have two years left to rehab...and would get his degree in the mix. And if not career-ending, another two shots at the draft. Career-ending would also be better if he stayed at a UD...he gets his degree paid for. I believe he is left out in the world on his own on his own dime if he goes G-League or overseas and gets hurt. Please correct me if you know these one-year contracts have an injury clause and the athlete receives pay or injury care after the contract expires if it’s an injury incurred while playing. Thanks.
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Regarding a potential injury in the 19/20 season...if he is playing on a G League team or overseas, do they have to keep him under contract after the one year is up? I’m not sure but I think it’s a no. If he got hurt at UD he would have two years left to rehab...and would get his degree in the mix. And if not career-ending, another two shots at the draft. Career-ending would also be better if he stayed at a UD...he gets his degree paid for. I believe he is left out in the world on his own on his own dime if he goes G-League or overseas and gets hurt. Please correct me if you know these one-year contracts have an injury clause and the athlete receives pay or injury care after the contract expires if it’s an injury incurred while playing. Thanks.
Agree.
However, I think you are overestimating the degree to which a degree is playing in to Obi's decision-making.
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Here is my GUESS on Obi’s draft experience this year...

Based on his mom’s post, it notes he is NOT available to the media. Others are. If he was in it to get drafted and leave, I would think he would be talking to the media to raise his profile?

He was not invited to either combine (G and NBA). It appears he is doing workouts with teams that bring in about 6 draft-eligible players for a workout. 3-on-3 workouts?

Maybe Obi and his advisors planned it this way? Get him in the gym in front of as many teams as possible. If one of those teams is willing to move him to a late first round pick, then he’s gone. But I doubt they expect that to happen. So the goal this year is to return to UD after he soaks up all the feedback he can from coaches at this level and gets his name out around the league, setting up next year.

He comes back to UD and finishes his third year of college - leaving only a year left if pro ball doesn’t turn into a longtime career. And he can sign on as some kind of coach with a college team and finish that degree without having to pay tuition.

It’s a solid plan. I have no idea if it’s Obi’s Plan.

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Agree.
However, I think you are overestimating the degree to which a degree is playing in to Obi's decision-making.
You are correct I do not know how he feels about completing his degree. However, his mom wants him to get a degree and he’s very close to his mom. He added her name “Roni” to his arm tattoo this past year.
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I'll be you the 2020 Royal Roundtable Luncheon bill that Obi is a Flyer in 2019-20.

Deal

Obi back next year - I lose and pay.
Obi gone next year - you lose and you pay.

Either way the rest of the RR does what they do best.
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Deal

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Obi gone next year - you lose and you pay.

Either way the rest of the RR does what they do best.
When Obi returns I'm renting a billboard on I75 inviting all UD, X, UC, WSU and OSU fans to Milano's for a Royally good time...and an all-you-can-eat King's Special.
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I'll be you the 2020 Royal Roundtable Luncheon bill that Obi is a Flyer in 2019-20.

This is why Rollo is King. He just secured a bet were he owns all the upside. He risked nothing. He was already going to pay for the lunch. Now he has a chance to not pick up the tab.

CE80 has no upside. He is not only risking losing a free lunch that was secure, but he also might have to pick up the entire tab. Zero upside.

Long live the King. Although I’ll propose when Obi returns Rollo should let Obi be the King for as long as he plays for UD. Rollo can take a sabbatical for a year. Small price to pay for one more year...and I think bestowing honorary titles is NCAA legal.
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This is why Rollo is King. He just secured a bet were he owns all the upside. He risked nothing. He was already going to pay for the lunch. Now he has a chance to not pick up the tab.

CE80 has no upside. He is not only risking losing a free lunch that was secure, but he also might have to pick up the entire tab. Zero upside.


Originally Posted by BeckysTXA View Post
Long live the King. Although I’ll propose when Obi returns Rollo should let Obi be the King for as long as he plays for UD. Rollo can take a sabbatical for a year. Small price to pay for one more year...and I think bestowing honorary titles is NCAA legal.
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Originally Posted by rollo View Post
I'll be you the 2020 Royal Roundtable Luncheon bill that Obi is a Flyer in 2019-20.
Once a Flyer, always a Flyer, right?
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA View Post
This is why Rollo is King. He just secured a bet were he owns all the upside. He risked nothing. He was already going to pay for the lunch. Now he has a chance to not pick up the tab.

CE80 has no upside. He is not only risking losing a free lunch that was secure, but he also might have to pick up the entire tab. Zero upside.

Long live the King. Although I’ll propose when Obi returns Rollo should let Obi be the King for as long as he plays for UD. Rollo can take a sabbatical for a year. Small price to pay for one more year...and I think bestowing honorary titles is NCAA legal.
And where do you think the RR luncheon is going to be held if I lose? Maybe the basement of a certain poster's parents?
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