20-21 Season News/Discussion

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Why is it that local reporters, or really nobody seems to have any real information on how our players look at practice? Is everything so secret? Posted via Mobile Device

Just guessing that because of Covid, no one other than players/coaches/essential personnel can attend practices.

[Alberto Strasse]

that Utah has dropped out of the Sioux City tourney. It leaves Creighton without an opponent.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse that Utah has dropped out of the Sioux City tourney. It leaves Creighton without an opponent.

They’re talking about one of the Dakota schools jumping in.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan Just guessing that because of Covid, no one other than players/coaches/essential personnel can attend practices.

I guessed correctly.
Jablonski tweet this am
"College basketball starts this month. For fans starving for some Dayton basketball coverage, there will be some Thursday as Anthony Grant and the four seniors talked to media via Zoom. We will also be able to shoot photos from a distance of a portion of practice at UD Arena."

[Columbia Blue]

women freshmen now pictured -- Koby, Luke, & RJ remain faceless.

https://daytonflyers.com/sports/wome...ketball/roster

[Flyer Al]

Jalen makes Dick Vitale's All-American Fourth Team along with another familiar name.

https://www.espn.com/espn/dickvitale...ricans-2020-21

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Grant accepts seat on the NABC Board of Directors/

https://daytonflyers.com/news/2020/1...directors.aspx

[lhsgolf19]

Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein
4m

Sources: The Atlantic 10 is considering having each of its teams play a minimum of one conference game before Christmas.

[Medford]

ap TOP 25 is out and UD has earned neary a point.


https://collegebasketball.ap.org/hometownsource/poll


Looks like CAG and the boys have some heads to turn.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 4m Sources: The Atlantic 10 is considering having each of its teams play a minimum of one conference game before Christmas.

Maybe Fordham will not get a game, then the league can jettison them.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by Medford ap TOP 25 is out and UD has earned neary a point. https://collegebasketball.ap.org/hometownsource/poll Looks like CAG and the boys have some heads to turn.

Isn't that our slogan: Turning heads since 1903!

[Sid Louick]

No X, no UC. Interesting.

[Medford]

Today is A-10 media day:


UD picked to finish 3rd


Crutcher named to the all pre-season 1st team.


https://atlantic10.com/documents/202...wards_Poll.pdf


Nobody on the 2nd, 3rd or all defensive teams.


Time to turn heads and get some teammates up there alongside Clutch by seasons end.

[Runnin' Rebel]

Wow... I look at the 3rd pre-season team and know the A10 is gonna be a load this year!

Media is sleeping on Ibi - he will be on one of those teams by season's end.

[O Doyle Rules]

Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel Wow... I look at the 3rd pre-season team and know the A10 is gonna be a load this year! Media is sleeping on Ibi - he will be on one of those teams by season's end.

I agree. Excellent chance Ibi is our leading scorer this season.

[Piqua Flyer '66]

......and just two weeks from tomorrow, November 25, the Flyers will open their season vs. ?

This season is going to be a night mare to administer.

One member of team tests positive and ALL have to quar for 14 days?!?

[steverino015]

I'm interested to see how Zimife Nwokeji
looks on the court.. when he first signed with
us, 247 sports had him listed at 6'7' and 180..
"he is slender for his frame, should be more
a slasher type combo forward"...

just checked verbal commits, and they have
him most recently at 6'7" and 227...

Go Flyers!

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by steverino015 I'm interested to see how Zimife Nwokeji looks on the court.. when he first signed with us, 247 sports had him listed at 6'7' and 180.. "he is slender for his frame, should be more a slasher type combo forward"... just checked verbal commits, and they have him most recently at 6'7" and 227... Go Flyers!

And he is a good defender and rebounder. Landers replacement?

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer And he is a good defender and rebounder. Landers replacement?

you read my mind,
that is exactly what I was thingking
too...)

Go Flyers!

[MNFats]

CBS ranking of the top 101 players in the country for this season. Quite a few A10 names on here. Jalen checks in at 16! People forget that the best player in the country last year didn't even win the MVP of his own team outright. He shared it with Crutcher. People are about to find out....

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...020-21-season/

And this is where I make my annual mea culpa - 3 years ago I said that while I was thrilled to get Crutcher so late in the process, I thought we were really missing out on Wright. Wright has been really good and is also high on this list (still behind Crutcher) - I'm man enough to admit I was wrong. I wouldn't trade Crutcher for anybody this year.

[steverino015]

I recall doing a bit of research last year,
and the last 10 games or so of the season
Jalen was the top free throw shooter in the
nation... 96% or some crazy pct like that...

and many of those free throws were huge...

go Flyers!

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

The Athletic today

College basketball experts predict: The most underrated player in the country

Winner (tie): Drew Timme, Gonzaga (Three votes)

Runner-up: Jalen Crutcher, Dayton (Two votes)

It was abundantly obvious in Maui last year that, yes, Obi Toppin was an absolute superstar, but also that Dayton had legit Final Four hopes because Jalen Crutcher is a stud. Now the stage is his, and he has a supporting cast to allow him to continue to thrive. He’ll boost his already impressive 15.1 points per game and continue to do everything else he does well, which is … everything. The point guard averaged 4.9 assists and made 2.4 3s per game on 46.8 percent shooting (147-of-314) and shot nearly 87 percent from the line for good measure. Say it with me: Stud. — Brendan Quinn

Jalen Crutcher led the Flyers last season in minutes (33.7), assists (4.9) and 3-point percentage (46.8), and he was second in scoring (15.1), and all we heard was Obi! Obi! Obi! Now that Toppin is gone to the NBA, Crutcher is ready for his close-up. — Seth Davis

https://theathletic.com/2192271/2020...shared_article

[lhsgolf19]

New Game added:

Bellarmine coming to UD Arena December 1st

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan The Athletic today College basketball experts predict: The most underrated player in the country Winner (tie): Drew Timme, Gonzaga (Three votes) Runner-up: Jalen Crutcher, Dayton (Two votes) It was abundantly obvious in Maui last year that, yes, Obi Toppin was an absolute superstar, but also that Dayton had legit Final Four hopes because Jalen Crutcher is a stud. Now the stage is his, and he has a supporting cast to allow him to continue to thrive. He’ll boost his already impressive 15.1 points per game and continue to do everything else he does well, which is … everything. The point guard averaged 4.9 assists and made 2.4 3s per game on 46.8 percent shooting (147-of-314) and shot nearly 87 percent from the line for good measure. Say it with me: Stud. — Brendan Quinn Jalen Crutcher led the Flyers last season in minutes (33.7), assists (4.9) and 3-point percentage (46.8), and he was second in scoring (15.1), and all we heard was Obi! Obi! Obi! Now that Toppin is gone to the NBA, Crutcher is ready for his close-up. — Seth Davis https://theathletic.com/2192271/2020...shared_article

Well, there was a reason that all you heard was Obi! Obi! Obi! He was the most exciting player in the country. Jalen will have his day.

[Medford]

I love Jalen, but I feel like a lot of scribes are overlooking Ibi. UD has potentially 2 dudes in the backcourt who could get drafted after next season. Hard to imagine there will be many teams with a better starting trio of guards than UD this year.

[Don]

Originally Posted by Medford I love Jalen, but I feel like a lot of scribes are overlooking Ibi. UD has potentially 2 dudes in the backcourt who could get drafted after next season. Hard to imagine there will be many teams with a better starting trio of guards than UD this year.

I readily admit that IBI was a very valuable and very productive 6th man....but he was just that...a 6th man. Not good enough to take spots away from Trey or Ryan, neither of whom are NBA prospects. Nor was he good enough to take a spot away from Chapman, also not an NBA prospect. What evidence is there that Ibi has suddenly become so good that he's a hot NBA prospect? I fully expect and hope he's a major contributor, but it seems like a lot of fans are already convinced he's another underrated superstar.

[Monster Man]

It’s Chatman, not Chapman.
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[lhsgolf19]

Also another confirmation... SMU at UD, December 5th

[San Diego Flyer]

Ibi will be great for us, but he has to improve his handle in traffic. He is a two dribble driver.
Any talk of him or Rodney Chatman being NBA draft potential, or us having two NBA draftees is a hallucination.

Crutcher is the man for us this year, and I believe the whole team has bought into that.

Glad to see the SMU connection getting confirmed. Both coaches want that one bad.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Don I readily admit that IBI was a very valuable and very productive 6th man....but he was just that...a 6th man. Not good enough to take spots away from Trey or Ryan, neither of whom are NBA prospects. Nor was he good enough to take a spot away from Chapman, also not an NBA prospect. What evidence is there that Ibi has suddenly become so good that he's a hot NBA prospect? I fully expect and hope he's a major contributor, but it seems like a lot of fans are already convinced he's another underrated superstar.

First of all, Ibi played plenty of minutes. What you are talking about is being listed in the starting lineup. So who would he have started over? Well Rodney plays a different position and his status as an elite defender sort of separates him from Ibi even if they did play the same position. Then there's Trey and Mikesell who were seniors, Ryan a 5th year. Both started and played heavy minutes while Ibi sat out his mandatory year. Trey I won't even concede as a possibility since he was our best rebounder, clearly the floor general and best defender not named Rodney or Dwayne. So that leaves Mikesell. Would you have started Ibi over Ryan given Ryan's status as a 5th year senior coming off double hip surgery who gave his blood, sweat and tears to this program for half a decade? I wouldn't and don't think AG would have in a million years. Just because Ibi has a better shot at the NBA than Ryan does not mean he would start over him. Ryan also has 3 inches on Ibi.

Long story short your argument that we should not expect great things out of Ibi because he couldn't scratch the starting lineup last year is utter nonsense.

[steverino015]

how did he do when he started?

Go Flyers!

[John C.]

Ibi will average at least 15 points per game this year and I would not be surprised if he were closer to 18. He had a roll last year and filled it well. He slumped with the three ball toward the end of the year but still hit almost 40%. His driving to the basket improved throughout the year. He will shine this year. Mark it down.

[Don]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo First of all, Ibi played plenty of minutes. What you are talking about is being listed in the starting lineup. So who would he have started over? Well Rodney plays a different position and his status as an elite defender sort of separates him from Ibi even if they did play the same position. Then there's Trey and Mikesell who were seniors, Ryan a 5th year. Both started and played heavy minutes while Ibi sat out his mandatory year. Trey I won't even concede as a possibility since he was our best rebounder, clearly the floor general and best defender not named Rodney or Dwayne. So that leaves Mikesell. Would you have started Ibi over Ryan given Ryan's status as a 5th year senior coming off double hip surgery who gave his blood, sweat and tears to this program for half a decade? I wouldn't and don't think AG would have in a million years. Just because Ibi has a better shot at the NBA than Ryan does not mean he would start over him. Ryan also has 3 inches on Ibi. Long story short your argument that we should not expect great things out of Ibi because he couldn't scratch the starting lineup last year is utter nonsense.

Try rereading what I said.
Your entire first paragraph is exactly my point!! Ibi was NOT good enough to take any of those spots away from Rodney, Trey, or Ryan.
That said, your second paragraph is tilting at a windmill that does not exist!
Nowhere did I say or imply that we should not expect/hope for an excellent contribution from Ibi this season. I was only saying that I think the talk of "GREAT" contribution and "NBA draft potential" are premature based on past performance. In my book, to be GREAT and be NBA draft potential, one should be expected to perform like one of the top 20-25 Flyers of all-time. If you think this, the upcoming season may prove you right, but last season didn't.

[Don]

Originally Posted by John C. Ibi will average at least 15 points per game this year and I would not be surprised if he were closer to 18. He had a roll last year and filled it well. He slumped with the three ball toward the end of the year but still hit almost 40%. His driving to the basket improved throughout the year. He will shine this year. Mark it down.

Hope you're right! I even hope you are underestimating what he contributes. All I'm saying is that I'm not ready to bet the house on numbers like that.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Don Try rereading what I said. Your entire first paragraph is exactly my point!! Ibi was NOT good enough to take any of those spots away from Rodney, Trey, or Ryan. That said, your second paragraph is tilting at a windmill that does not exist! Nowhere did I say or imply that we should not expect/hope for an excellent contribution from Ibi this season. I was only saying that I think the talk of "GREAT" contribution and "NBA draft potential" are premature based on past performance. In my book, to be GREAT and be NBA draft potential, one should be expected to perform like one of the top 20-25 Flyers of all-time. If you think this, the upcoming season may prove you right, but last season didn't.

He doesn't play the same position as Ryan or Rodney. And Trey is an absolute beast that provided something totally different. Ibi is a finesse scorer. Seniority matters to AG (and it matters all across the landscape of college hoops). Experience is everything.

[steve]

Originally Posted by Don Try rereading what I said. Your entire first paragraph is exactly my point!! Ibi was NOT good enough to take any of those spots away from Rodney, Trey, or Ryan. That said, your second paragraph is tilting at a windmill that does not exist! Nowhere did I say or imply that we should not expect/hope for an excellent contribution from Ibi this season. I was only saying that I think the talk of "GREAT" contribution and "NBA draft potential" are premature based on past performance. In my book, to be GREAT and be NBA draft potential, one should be expected to perform like one of the top 20-25 Flyers of all-time. If you think this, the upcoming season may prove you right, but last season didn't.

You have no idea if he was good enough or not to start. AG found a rotation and great chemistry to the tune of 29-2 so why mess with anything? Ibi was clearly a very very good shooter. Being able to come into a tight game and add a spark is huge for a team whether that's knocking down a couple shots when they started to swarm Obi or playing lock-down D on an opposing scorer. Ibi finished many games and that's far more important, imo.

[frisco flyer]

Marshal out at Wichita.
How quickly fortunes can change!

[steverino015]

as part of the buyout settlement,
he will be paid 7.75 million over the
next 6 years....

Go Flyers!

[ud2]

Updated today...next four out

http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?src=desktop

[lhsgolf19]

AG confirms to Rothstein redshirt for Weaver

“Dayton's Elijah Weaver is still planning on redshirting this season, per Anthony Grant. Transfer from USC.

Grant: "If anything changes in that regard, it won't change until the second semester."


“Anthony Grant also tells me that Dayton has three of the best guards in the country in Rodney Chatman, Jalen Crutcher, and Ibi Watson.

Also added that Jordy Tshimanga will be a "huge key".
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[The Fly]

Not sure anyone’s mentioned this, but the updated roster (still missing newcomer photos) shows some added weight (muscle?) for Dayton’s interior players — Jordy up 10 pounds to 278, Chase up 7 to 226, and Moo up 2 to 250. I don’t remember what Zimi was listed at last year, but he’s at 220. That’s a lot of beef.

[CJ#4]

Re: Ibi Watson, and arguments that he was “not good enough” to start last year …

First, as Steve posted, winning is about finding the right rotations and chemistry, not trying to somehow determine in a vacuum whether Ibi was 3.7% “better” or "worse" than ChaTman or Mikesell or whomever. UD did a fantastic job of developing those rotations.

Chris Moorman, a UD grad who covered sports a bit for the DDN 5-10 years ago, tracked the plus-minus stats for every UD lineup combination last season. Meaning, did UD outscore their opponents more with Crutcher-Chatman-Watson-Landers-Tshimanga on the floor … or with Crutcher-Cohill-Mikesell-Johnson-Toppin?
I don’t know if Chris posted final end-of-year stats anywhere, but near the end of January, he posted the year-to-date plus-minus of all 36 lineup combinations that had been on the floor together for at least 5 minutes, adjusted to a per-40-minutes result.
Ibi Watson was in all 8 of our best plus-minus lineup combinations, and nobody else (including Toppin or Crutcher) was in more than 5 of the best 8.
Take that for what you will.

On a per-40-minutes basis last year, Ibi’s scoring was almost identical to Crutcher’s, while he shot 50% from the field. I’m really, really excited to watch him play this year (please, please, please let there be a season).

[San Diego Flyer]

One Flyer who doesn't get much press yet, but who I believe could be the sleeper in the whole group is RJ Blakney. (not implying that Ibi is a sleeper).

This young man has been a star and a winner everywhere he has competed. Read his bio, and look at his size. He has been a magnet for Championships and individual awards every where he competed.

And his mom was a dynamite player at Maryland and in professionally in Europe. Then there's that.

[steve]

Might as well get use to freshman players coming in and contributing more than a little with the way AG and the staff are recruiting. These kids are really good, fear nobody and are playing top competition year around. Just need to make sure they're all buying in which I don't worry too much about with this coaching staff.

[San Diego Flyer]

Coach has some speed bumps to overcome with available minutes. It's easy to project playing time for all when we have 13 ooc games. Now we are looking at 3 ooc games. We all know that the lineup gets pared down when the A10 starts. If we blow opponents out, that affords some relief with playing minutes. But even with Obi we didn't ice many opponents until mid-second half this past season. It's going to be tricky for Coach, who I believe would never guarantee minutes to a recruit. More like minutes are there to be earned if you are as good as you think you are.

[ud2]

Updated yesterday...10 seed vs. the Hoosiers...lol

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba.../bracketology/

[Buckleyma]

I see that the Dayton Flyer roster page has finally been updated with pictures of the new players on the men’s basketball team.
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[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma I see that the Dayton Flyer roster page has finally been updated with pictures of the new players on the men’s basketball team. Posted via Mobile Device

R.J. is jacked. Same height as Luke/Brea but has 20+ pounds on them.

[jack72]

Are Koby and Luke's weights correct? In the 170's at 6'5" is very skinny.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 Are Koby and Luke's weights correct? In the 170's at 6'5" is very skinny.

Koby's I would assume is correct. He just turned 18 and is young for his class. One of the reasons I think they wanted to redshirt him

Luke I can believe too.

I would guess both of those guys got set back in strength and conditioning because of COVID

[NJFlyr71]

Did ya'll notice that no one has taken the number ONE?

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 Did ya'll notice that no one has taken the number ONE?

And no one has worn #5 since 2015-16.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by ud2 Updated yesterday...10 seed vs. the Hoosiers...lol https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba.../bracketology/

If given the chance, how many would accept that seeding right now and move to March? IIRC on my thinking last year, my thought last year was there was no way I'd take the predicted seed lines that were thrown UD's way in preseason. My thinking was that I thought that team could be pretty special (and even my rosiest outlooks fell well short of reality last season) and IIRC, UD was predicted to be somewhere around a 6-8 seed. I thought a top 4 was definitely in play and the floor was definitely in the bracket.


This year? I think I'd take it for sure. While I do believe this team could be pretty darn good, perhaps even top 4 seed good if everything comes together, I'm not near as confident. I also have to throw Covid into the picture and while the vaccine appears to be around the corner for some, it won't be available for everyone until well after March, so who really knows what this season will even look like, with less chances to impress or even pad win totals a bad couple of weeks or key injuries at different points could really derail a season. I think the floor is NIT level for this squad, but give me a ticket to the dance and lets roll.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by Medford If given the chance, how many would accept that seeding right now and move to March? IIRC on my thinking last year, my thought last year was there was no way I'd take the predicted seed lines that were thrown UD's way in preseason. My thinking was that I thought that team could be pretty special (and even my rosiest outlooks fell well short of reality last season) and IIRC, UD was predicted to be somewhere around a 6-8 seed. I thought a top 4 was definitely in play and the floor was definitely in the bracket..

I’d accept the tournament being played and UD in with any seed. Like you I sure don’t think the tourney is the ceiling - I expect it to be the floor. If given the chance to play e season out, I believe this team will surprise once again and could win the A10 and even be a protected seed.
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[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Not sure where to put this. Interview video Jalen with Andy Katz
https://twitter.com/marchmadness/sta...342296064?s=20

[ud2]

Updated yesterday...12 seed in the first four...we are the last team in

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology


https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...edirected=true

[OSU Flyer]

Crutcher is Mid-Major Madness preseason player of the year

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2020...r-bones-hyland

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Jalen is preseaon Second team All American on Jeff Goodman's list. Also on the watchlist for NABC POY.

[ud2]

http://www.bracketmatrix.com is back up and running...12 seed, 2nd to last team in

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan Not sure where to put this. Interview video Jalen with Andy Katz https://twitter.com/marchmadness/sta...342296064?s=20

I told y'all what the starting lineup would be in a different thread, but for anyone doubting me Jalen tells you what it will be in this interview.

[ud2]

Updated Dec 1...next four out

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology

[San Diego Flyer]

Well, we get to play ourselves in. We play SMU (with a lot of luck that it gets played). And we play Ole Miss.

[Boroflyerfan01]

Josh Whitlow
@redcupcbb
·
22m
The basketball oversight committee will recommend to the NCAA that all transfers get a waiver to play this season! Should be proposed and voted on by D1 council Dec. 16


Well this would be helpful to get Elijah Weaver in the rotation!
Go Flyers!
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[Bill McPeek]

I hope so. It is apparent that we miss Dwayne Cohill. I will leave the decision to Coach Grant however.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Very good Archdeacon piece on Chase Johnson

“Coach Grant is just a top-notch person. We were blessed that he kept a spot open for Chase.”
And from the time his son left UD he thought of returning there, Chad said:
“He loves UD. He told me, ‘If I can’t play at Dayton, then I’m not finishing basketball.’”

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...FW7W5RD4645PQ/

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan Very good Archdeacon piece on Chase Johnson “Coach Grant is just a top-notch person. We were blessed that he kept a spot open for Chase.” And from the time his son left UD he thought of returning there, Chad said: “He loves UD. He told me, ‘If I can’t play at Dayton, then I’m not finishing basketball.’” https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...FW7W5RD4645PQ/

A must read if you always wondered what happened to Chase.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Article about game attendance /player's parents.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...JICMTY6EHL6BQ/

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan Article about game attendance /player's parents. https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...JICMTY6EHL6BQ/

Feel bad for everyone. It just sucks all around.

[Columbia Blue]

Naz Carter leaving school amid two sexual assault allegations. Guess it’s good he decommitted when Archie left:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...lt-allegations

Sean McNeill, now WVU formerly Sinclair, seeing starter minutes for WV but cold shooting start

Jacob Toppin having trouble settling into UK rotation. His time may yet come if he works hard enough. I wouldn’t want my kid depending on Calipari for anything.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Columbia Blue Naz Carter leaving school amid two sexual assault allegations. Guess it’s good he decommitted when Archie left: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...lt-allegations Sean McNeill, now WVU formerly Sinclair, seeing starter minutes for WV but cold shooting start Jacob Toppin having trouble settling into UK rotation. His time may yet come if he works hard enough. I wouldn’t want my kid depending on Calipari for anything.

I wonder if Calipari is starting to read the tea leaves with the NBA changes coming that one and dones in college may be on the way out and he wants to have some players ready.

[ud2]

Updated today, we fell off the radar

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology

[San Diego Flyer]

Three games in a row we record 66 points. That will keep us off everyone's radar. Which might be appropriate at this juncture.

Someone posted how can you beat any team if you have 22 turnovers. Well, we scored as many points off their 15 turnovers as they scored off our 22. That's really the main reason why we escaped with a win. It tells me that we transitioned to defense better than they did.
We sure can't count on that happening any time soon if we want a W.

[John C.]

I am going to be blunt. It is really hard to watch these guys after seeing near perfection last year. The level of confidence that they are showing is extremely low. Watching them attack the zone last night was scary. It was a little different than most zones in that that attacked so far away from the rim and we just didn't know how to cope with it. Things got better as we got a bit more experience and we found the hole in the zone near the foul line. Where is Pierre when we need him. He would have killed that zone.

The turnovers are out of control. The lazy passes are multiplying with each game. We had 22 turnovers and there were several other passes that were tipped. If we can get these under control we can be really good. We still are shooting the ball well and are starting to figure out how to use Johnson around the basket. Blakney showed some promise and looks to be our sixth man. It was interesting to see us go smaller when Jordy came out later in the game. We flowed much better with that lineup.

We will see what Saturday brings.

[pmcmullen]

Originally Posted by John C. I am going to be blunt. It is really hard to watch these guys after seeing near perfection last year. The level of confidence that they are showing is extremely low. Watching them attack the zone last night was scary. It was a little different than most zones in that that attacked so far away from the rim and we just didn't know how to cope with it. Things got better as we got a bit more experience and we found the hole in the zone near the foul line. Where is Pierre when we need him. He would have killed that zone. The turnovers are out of control. The lazy passes are multiplying with each game. We had 22 turnovers and there were several other passes that were tipped. If we can get these under control we can be really good. We still are shooting the ball well and are starting to figure out how to use Johnson around the basket. Blakney showed some promise and looks to be our sixth man. It was interesting to see us go smaller when Jordy came out later in the game. We flowed much better with that lineup. We will see what Saturday brings.

I totally agree. We went from being one of the best ball movement / passing teams in the country last season, to throwing the rock around like a game of hot potato this year. It's incredibly frustrating, and I can't make sense of it with a veteran group of players. I would expect it more with a group of freshman, but not when we're running four seniors and a junior.

[Sea Bass]

My guess is playing in front of zero fans at home and on the road is really hard for UD players. Last year every venue, even those on the road were electric. This year we have have nothing. We will see if the team adjusts.

In addition all three of out opponents have played zone. That is difficult especially with limited practice.

[NJFlyr71]

The NKU game was the first opportunity to actually hear a game on the radio. I went on the internet right as the 2nd half started and was surprised by the score and then amazed by the early scoring run with Chatman starting it (IIRC). Then almost as soon as we got the lead out to double digits we went into Turnover City with Ibi having a melt down as far I was concerned.

The ability to go from one extreme to the opposite extreme is where I am puzzled as to the character and personality of this team this year.

In the previous games all I could do was read what others have written in the paper, on the net and posted here. It appears what has been stated is unfortunately too true.

Not that I would ever doubt anyone's opinion posted on this forum .

Go Flyers! Improve or stay home.

[Runnin' Rebel]

Game tonight in Florida (FSU-Indiana) has 3,000 fans.

Both OH and FL currently hover around 10,000 cases per day.

I know Florida is twice the population... but we can't even get our minimum of 300 in UD Arena for our games???

[Alberto Strasse]

E$PN (Jay Bilas) and Coach K of Duke have initiated a call for discussion about postponing the College Basketball season to protect the students and all associated with the sport. The have significant influence over the sport. After listening very carefully to the last AG radio broadcast he made it pretty clear that his top job is managing Covid-19 concerns. Everything else falls in line behind ensuring a safe environment. College hoops is not professional sports.

[Runnin' Rebel]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse E$PN (Jay Bilas) and Coach K of Duke have initiated a call for discussion about postponing the College Basketball season to protect the students and all associated with the sport. The have significant influence over the sport. After listening very carefully to the last AG radio broadcast he made it pretty clear that his top job is managing Covid-19 concerns. Everything else falls in line behind ensuring a safe environment. College hoops is not professional sports.

Yeah, they have played like 600 games already in college basketball - and have gone through almost an entire season of college football... and I haven't heard of 1 athlete being hospitalized from contact during practice or games. And not a single death associated from any of these games or practices.

And if you at risk (by age or other factors), then you should not be "associated with the sport" this year.

But hey, lets stop the college basketball season "to protect the students"... because Coach K has lost 2 home games?

Seriously though, no one said the season was gonna be easy to navigate through... but typically here in America we don't surrender, we endure (or at least we used to).

For the sake of these kids, just keep trying to initiate and follow the protocols - and don't live your life in fear.

Do any of those kids on the field or on the court looked worried or scared?

[hawkoooo]

Thank you Runnin' Rebel. Absolutely spot on. This has nothing to do with the safety of the players, we all know that. I understand there is a real risk for those in at-risk categories but these are grown men who can and will make that decision for themselves. For example, if you are a 65 year old 250 lb. ref perhaps you shouldn't be out there, but that is YOUR choice. No one has a gun to anyone's head.

What I find most interesting about this is the huge elephant in the room Bilas and K aren't addressing: The NCAA cannot, I repeat CANNOT, cancel the tournament again. So what does "pausing" the season accomplish besides making that already arduous task more difficult?

Bilas has forgotten more about basketball than I will ever know, but one thing that has always irked me about him is that his only goal in life seems to be convincing other people that he is smarter than he really is. This is simply an extension of that goal, nothing more.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Coach K and Jay Bilas need to consider the mental health of the players, coaches and fans if we are all sitting on the sidelines watching reruns of MASH for the 23rd time instead of real live college basketball.

Excellent post Running Rebel and Gazoo.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Coaches and players have died from COVID.

Jamain Stephens Jr., a defensive lineman for California University of Pennsylvania, died from a blood clot in his heart after contracting Covid-19.

High school players have been hospitalized with COVID. College athletes have developed heart conditions from COVID.

Clemson defensive end Xavier Thomas, who had Covid-19 in the spring, said he had trouble breathing for months. He was finally cleared to play in September, although he still is not back to full strength. “I would say I’m about halfway there,”

Buffalo Bills tight end Tommy Sweeney developed myocarditis stemming from his bout with Covid-19 and will be out the rest of the season.

Some who survive are called long haulers. After a college athlete is diagnosed with COVID, they usually must have their hearts tested before they can return to action.

COVID is not simply measured in deaths.

The situation is challenging. Players want to play and coaches want to coach but competing is not risk free...

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Runnin' Rebel]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan Coaches and players have died from COVID. Jamain Stephens Jr., a defensive lineman for California University of Pennsylvania, died from a blood clot in his heart after contracting Covid-19. High school players have been hospitalized with COVID. College athletes have developed heart conditions from COVID. Clemson defensive end Xavier Thomas, who had Covid-19 in the spring, said he had trouble breathing for months. He was finally cleared to play in September, although he still is not back to full strength. “I would say I’m about halfway there,” Buffalo Bills tight end Tommy Sweeney developed myocarditis stemming from his bout with Covid-19 and will be out the rest of the season. Some who survive are called long haulers. After a college athlete is diagnosed with COVID, they usually must have their hearts tested before they can return to action. COVID is not simply measured in deaths. The situation is challenging. Players want to play and coaches want to coach but competing is not risk free...

Not understating what's happened to those above... who have obtained the virus, and suffered from it.

I was just saying that none of those cases actually came from the activity of practicing or playing in a game.

Xavier Thomas got the virus after things got shut down in March.

Tommy Sweeney was on the PUP.

Jamain Stephens Jr. wasn't playing football when he tested positive.

Honestly, I'm not sure why something tragic hasn't happened during any of the sports seasons yet... maybe it is better to be in those circles with specific COVID testing and procedures being followed?

Agree it definitely is not risk free... but these young folks should still be allowed to live their life in pursuit of happiness, and not have it taken away from them by those who "fear the virus for them".

I'm pretty sure they all know the risks, and have already made their decisions.

I just don't see anything right now, that says "shut it down" - outside of coach K losing 2 home games.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Bilas has forgotten more about basketball than I will ever know, but one thing that has always irked me about him is that his only goal in life seems to be convincing other people that he is smarter than he really is. This is simply an extension of that goal, nothing more.

Bingo. It just gets old.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan The situation is challenging. Players want to play and coaches want to coach but competing is not risk free...

It is, but going back to Bilas and Coach K...

Coach K is stating this because he doesn't have his 8-10 points at Cameron Indoor IMO versus his actual concern about C19.

Calapari won't be too far off the reservation if he takes another L with his governor that has shut down the Commonwealth.

I watched a football game last weekend, somewhere in the south...looked to be at 20% capacity. Yes, it was outdoor...but the point is that depending on what region you are playing in, dictates whether or not you have a home court/field advantage.

UD could have applied for a variance to get to 600 at one point. (basically double the indoor state minimum) It simply wasn't worth their time to figure out what additional 300 were going to be in the building. Obviously we all know who got to be part of the 300 and some of those big fish turned down their offer for personal reasons. An area HS that has a 4000 capacity can have more for a HS basketball game than UD can.

It's a bummer all the way around no matter what everyone's C19 opinion is. But the risks don't outweigh cancelling the NCAA basketball season, let alone any other college sports.

Decisions being made are asinine...OHSAA sanctioned wrestling meets allow participants to rub every body part on every body part yet they can't shake hands prior to and post match. I know our faces were just rubbing, among other things, for the last 15 minutes, but a handshake is out of order?

This season is going to be a cluster in terms of schedules and games moving forward and I have a sneaky suspicion we are going to see a non-traditional bubble NCAA tournament that hasn't even been floated to the public yet.

[TA111]

Agreed Shocka, there is an enormous amount of inconsistency in these COVID rules. You see coaches with masks on during game time, but when the players come back to the huddle they completely remove the masks. Now, if masks are really to help prevent the spread of the virus why are they removing masks during the huddle but then putting them back on? Makes no sense other than it’s a “feel good” measure, which I believe most of this is.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Archdeacon: ‘Born into the game’ -- UD freshman Blakney follows in the footsteps of his mom
https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...MFGORJU6ZEOGM/

[UD62]

[QUOTE=TA111;642145]Agreed Shocka, there is an enormous amount of inconsistency in these COVID rules. You see coaches with masks on during game time, but when the players come back to the huddle they completely remove the masks. Now, if masks are really to help prevent the spread of the virus why are they removing masks during the huddle but then putting them back on? Makes no sense other than it’s a “feel good” measure, which I believe most of this is.[/QUOT

I don't understand the logic of 'if a coach removes his mask that means the masks are not helpful". If I depend on a basketball coach to indicate to me what course of action to take or what is effective or not, that is dumber that relying on president Trump for guidence in the fight against Covid. Still waiting for us to " round the corner" that our fearless leader said we were doing.
It have a fundamental difference of opinion than most on this site, and as a lifelong Republican, I just am not a fan of our current president.

[jack72]

[QUOTE=UD62;642149]

Originally Posted by TA111 Agreed Shocka, there is an enormous amount of inconsistency in these COVID rules. You see coaches with masks on during game time, but when the players come back to the huddle they completely remove the masks. Now, if masks are really to help prevent the spread of the virus why are they removing masks during the huddle but then putting them back on? Makes no sense other than it’s a “feel good” measure, which I believe most of this is.[/QUOT I don't understand the logic of 'if a coach removes his mask that means the masks are not helpful". If I depend on a basketball coach to indicate to me what course of action to take or what is effective or not, that is dumber that relying on president Trump for guidence in the fight against Covid. Still waiting for us to " round the corner" that our fearless leader said we were doing. It have a fundamental difference of opinion than most on this site, and as a lifelong Republican, I just am not a fan of our current president.

This is a basketball thread!!

[Alberto Strasse]

This is a "Basketball Season" thread. And this season is all about Covid-19.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse This is a "Basketball Season" thread. And this season is all about Covid-19.

I guess you missed the part where he was trashing Trump. That's off topic stuff.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

I found this to be an intereting read about coronavirus and college basketball. It's written by Gregg Doyel of the Indianapolis Star.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...-k/3896825001/

[UDTradition]

[QUOTE=jack72;642150]

Originally Posted by UD62 This is a basketball thread!!

This post is a great post and is "right on". This subject is 100% NCAA basketball.

Thanks JACK

[UDTradition]

[QUOTE=UDTradition;642210]

Originally Posted by jack72 This post is a great post and is "right on". This subject is 100% NCAA basketball. Thanks JACK

Quite honestly, this is far more important and worth discussion than the majority of posts on our forum. Just my opinion.

[Boroflyerfan01]

David Jablonski
@DavidPJablonski
·
5m
On the coaches show with
@larryhansgen
last night, Anthony Grant said Dayton would be "pretty thrilled" if the NCAA votes to make all transfers eligible Wednesday and that Elijah Weaver would be a "good addition." He also gave an update on Luke Frazier


https://t.co/O9a99AlJLK?amp=1
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[ud2]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology

No change from last week, still off the radar

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology No change from last week, still off the radar

right now the A10 in KenPom has St. Louis at 37, Richmond at 57, VCU at 59, Davidson at 70, Rhody at 73, Bonnies at 74 and Duquesne at 84.

I'm not sure how much mileage we'll get off Mississippi State and potentially Ole Miss but there's a chance to build a nice resume in conference

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[OSU Flyer]

@JonRothstein
Sources: Saint Louis and NC State are finalizing a home-and-home series that will begin on Thursday at Chaifetz Arena. Return game in Raleigh in 21-22.

@JonRothstein
Saint Louis' next three games:

Indiana State (battled Purdue last weekend)
NC State (Thursday)
At Minnesota (Sunday)

SLU could potentially be a major win in conference

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by Boroflyerfan01 David Jablonski @DavidPJablonski · 5m On the coaches show with @larryhansgen last night, Anthony Grant said Dayton would be "pretty thrilled" if the NCAA votes to make all transfers eligible Wednesday and that Elijah Weaver would be a "good addition." He also gave an update on Luke Frazier https://t.co/O9a99AlJLK?amp=1 Posted via Mobile Device

I'll consider that good news on Frazier. If he couldn't get limited minutes off the bench ahead of a walkon that was not providing much of anything on the floor I was concerned about his future. Sounds like he's been dealing with a variety of issues; hopefully the surgery fixes that and he's back to action soon.

[maddog07]

How is it that no one in the media, or anyone that matter can seem to comment on how the kids we don’t see in games look in practice?

Would be great to know if Frazier, Brea , Weaver or Zimi can actually help this team yet, or look like they will in the next years or if we misfired on recruiting them.
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