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Old 03-16-2023, 02:54 PM
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What an ending to the VA - Furman game.
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Furman isn't going to go on long run IMO. Virginia's lack of offense for long stretches cost them. There aren't too many Daytons and Virginias in the NCAA in rounds of 32 and 16.

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VA was only a 5.5 favorite, this was supposed to be close
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Furman isn't going to go on long run IMO. Virginia's lack of offense for long stretches cost them. There aren't too many Daytons and Virginias in the NCAA in rounds of 32 and 16.
Well, maybe I should retract that. Watching their next opponent(whoever advances between College of Charleston and San Diego St) they both look like defensive teams that are capable of going through scoring droughts.
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Every year the tournament just makes me angry at how these P5 schools avoid playing perceived lesser schools. P5 teams are not as good as everyone acts like they are.

I also think that most of these teams would lose more games than people think if they were in the A10 or some other conference. It’s not easy to win all your games, no matter the level of D1 competition
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Every year the tournament just makes me angry at how these P5 schools avoid playing perceived lesser schools. P5 teams are not as good as everyone acts like they are.

I also think that most of these teams would lose more games than people think if they were in the A10 or some other conference. It’s not easy to win all your games, no matter the level of D1 competition
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Agree, the ncaat team selection process is totally rigged to favor the p5, it is blatantly obvious, very crooked. They should use metrics, that have public formulas, to make the selections. P*sses me off. And the p5 ain't all that.

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Every year the tournament just makes me angry at how these P5 schools avoid playing perceived lesser schools. P5 teams are not as good as everyone acts like they are.

I also think that most of these teams would lose more games than people think if they were in the A10 or some other conference. It’s not easy to win all your games, no matter the level of D1 competition
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Agreed. And, with the way the tournament is structured, we’re subjected to an 8/9 matchup like Iowa/Auburn, where the combatants were a combined 39-25: only 14 games over .500 COMBINED. Iowa finished only 6 games over .500, with a 19-13 record, and a schedule that included 18 home games and 4 neutral site games. The way I see it, that puts Iowa 1 game UNDER .500. And that’s good enough for an 8 seed? Give me a fukeing break!
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Agree, the ncaat team selection process is totally rigged to favor the p5, it is blatantly obvious, very crooked. They should use metrics, that have public formulas, to make the selections. P*sses me off. And the p5 ain't all that.
And they don’t even have the bag of chips, either!
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I believe the P5/6 got 31 of the 36 at-large bids this year. Princeton strikes again! I was at the game when Princeton beat defending National Champion UCLA in 1996 at the RCA Dome. Good times!
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Now we have a Cinderella. Well done Princeton!
So far a 2 and a 4 have bit the dust. Love it, congrats to Princeton and Furman

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Agreed. And, with the way the tournament is structured, we’re subjected to an 8/9 matchup like Iowa/Auburn, where the combatants were a combined 39-25: only 14 games over .500 COMBINED. Iowa finished only 6 games over .500, with a 19-13 record, and a schedule that included 18 home games and 4 neutral site games. The way I see it, that puts Iowa 1 game UNDER .500. And that’s good enough for an 8 seed? Give me a fukeing break!
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Or worse, when they pit mid-major's against each other, like SDSU v Charlotte, or St. Mary's v VCU. Once less chance for a mm to knock off a P5.
My point exactly!
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Cinderella’s story isn’t about her being homely or ugly.
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Or worse, when they pit mid-major's against each other, like SDSU v Charlotte, or St. Mary's v VCU. Once less chance for a mm to knock off a P5.
All 4 - 12 seeds are mid major teams. Fortunately, a mid major grabbed a 5 seed. I’m not sure it’s some sort of cabal.
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Or worse, when they pit mid-major's against each other, like SDSU v Charlotte, or St. Mary's v VCU. Once less chance for a mm to knock off a P5.
2017 Wichita State was Kenpom #8 and they were a 10 seed. Of course UD gets the 7 seed. **** like that happens every year
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Anybody think Tony Bennett should be fired? Just wondering, I mean I know he won a national championship but what have you done for me lately other than "choke" in the tourney. For the record, I don't think he should be fired.
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Anybody think Tony Bennett should be fired? Just wondering, I mean I know he won a national championship but what have you done for me lately other than "choke" in the tourney. For the record, I don't think he should be fired.
I posted in another thread that he is lucky he won that National Championship or else the seat would be pretty hot right now with how commonplace early exits have been for him lately. A National Championship can make up for a lot of blemishes, but I have to believe the fan base must be getting a bit antsy these days.
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Fran McCaffery has made the tournament a lot at Iowa, but has rarely made it past the first game. Lot's of people there are very unhappy with him.
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Fran McCaffery has made the tournament a lot at Iowa, but has rarely made it past the first game. Lot's of people there are very unhappy with him.
He's also a crazy person. I can't imagine putting up with his antics when he can't even advance in the tournament out of the Big Ten.
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He's also a crazy person. I can't imagine putting up with his antics when he can't even advance in the tournament out of the Big Ten.
I CAN imagine putting up with him. Winning buys you a lot of leeway.

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I think St Mary’s should be a good matchup for VCU.
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X certainly looks more like a 16 seed than they do a 3 seed. They are just getting punked.
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Kennesaw State went ice cold for a critical period in the second half (something we have seen) after it looked like it would wear the slipper today. For a while it was dominating X, which had an injury issue.
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Ace Baldwin bricked a 3 and came down funny on his right leg. Didn't look good and if he's out or hampered, it's lights out for VCU.
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Well, if it's ever questioned whether the A10 has fallen deep, our conference champion and only representative in the dance looked very much like a 15th seed rather than a 12.

This conference is to college basketball what SVB is to the banking industry.
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Well, if it's ever questioned whether the A10 has fallen deep, our conference champion and only representative in the dance looked very much like a 15th seed rather than a 12.

This conference is to college basketball what SVB is to the banking industry.
It is almost impossible to win if you only score 51 points. 63-51 Saint Mary's wins.
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It is almost impossible to win if you only score 51 points. 63-51 Saint Mary's wins.
I've said all along VCU is the worst inside shooting team I ever saw and you concentrate on stopping their 3s, you should win. But yet St. Mary's kept them from hitting inside shots all game long and Deuce and Camara couldn't. This whole conference is crap to make VCU look as good as they did.
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I watched 95% of every minute of UD basketball this year.

I watched the tourney pretty much all day yesterday and so far today.

I am not sure we could beat many of the teams that I have seen so far in the tournament.
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I watched 95% of every minute of UD basketball this year.

I watched the tourney pretty much all day yesterday and so far today.

I am not sure we could beat many of the teams that I have seen so far in the tournament.
UNC Asheville is the only one I can see. Since we actually did beat them.
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UNC Asheville is the only one I can see. Since we actually did beat them.
You can add ISU to the short list 2 for 22 in the second half. 30 pts with under 6 to go.
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I watched 95% of every minute of UD basketball this year.

I watched the tourney pretty much all day yesterday and so far today.

I am not sure we could beat many of the teams that I have seen so far in the tournament.
Found it very hard to watch the Flyers this year. The guys frequently looked listless and resigned to going through the motions. Compare that to watching Kennesaw State against X. Overmatched on talent, but they play with purpose and pop. Their program is like 5 years old. When UD seems to thrive they've got coaches and players that reflect the blue collar grit, never say die attitude of the city itself.

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You can add ISU to the short list 2 for 22 in the second half. 30 pts with under 6 to go.
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Who here were at the game that FDU almost took down #1 seed Michigan at UD Arena in 1985? Right before Dayton lost to Nova who went on to win championship? So twice a 16 has won against a #1 seed, FDU has one of those plus the next closest.
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It was so painful to watch Purdue play the shortest team. Deja Vu of Dayton. Double team their awesome big and let all the other Purdue players shoot and miss threes, 5-26. And their coach made zero adjustments. I hope the Dayton coaches watched that game.

BTW in Dec, at the half Richmond 42 and FDU 9.
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Looks like the same FWF on this board. Can’t coach, etc…some of the comments are copy and paste from UDPride.
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Purdue's last three NCAA Tournaments:

2023: Lose to 16-seed FDU
2022: Lose to 15-seed St. Peter's
2021: Lose to 13-seed North Texas
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2023: Lose to 16-seed FDU
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BG, Archie, Grant, Painter, whoever…I’d be calling for them to be fired too
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And y’all still blame the coach. It’s a player driven sport, always has been. Make plays or you lose.
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And y’all still blame the coach. It’s a player driven sport, always has been. Make plays or you lose.
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You keep repeating that nonsense.

So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?
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Purdue's problem is obviously their conference affiliation. They should do whatever it takes to get into the Big East 😀
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Because that's just what you (and others) do.
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"You keep repeating that nonsense.

"So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?"

Smitty... If I remember, Coach K had to rebuild a terrible Duke team. It took him about 4 years in the ACC. Why not cut Coach Grant some slack, given that he wants to coach his alma mater? And we're in the A-10? Build the program the way he sees fit with his players. Success is going to happen.
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"You keep repeating that nonsense.

"So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?"

Smitty... If I remember, Coach K had to rebuild a terrible Duke team. It took him about 4 years in the ACC. Why not cut Coach Grant some slack, given that he wants to coach his alma mater? And we're in the A-10? Build the program the way he sees fit with his players. Success is going to happen.
True it took Coach K four years, then he virtually went to the NCAA every year. So are you saying Coach G will start his ascent when, next year, the year after?
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"You keep repeating that nonsense.

"So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?"

Smitty... If I remember, Coach K had to rebuild a terrible Duke team. It took him about 4 years in the ACC. Why not cut Coach Grant some slack, given that he wants to coach his alma mater? And we're in the A-10? Build the program the way he sees fit with his players. Success is going to happen.
When does the 4 year clock start? 2037?
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Originally Posted by Clear Prop View Post
"You keep repeating that nonsense.

"So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?"

Smitty... If I remember, Coach K had to rebuild a terrible Duke team. It took him about 4 years in the ACC. Why not cut Coach Grant some slack, given that he wants to coach his alma mater? And we're in the A-10? Build the program the way he sees fit with his players. Success is going to happen.
2 things.

1. I wasn't arguing in this post about whether Grant deserves slack, I'm sick of this and other posters who say the coach isn't responsible for bad plays by players. Enough bad plays lead to bad losses. Enough bad losses lead to a bad record. If the college coach is not responsible for that, since he builds the roster, what the hell is he responsible for?

2. If Coach K took 4 years to rebuild a "terrible Duke team", how does that compare to CAG who took over a program with 4 straight NCAA appearances? And as mentioned, he's now completed 6 years.
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Because I couldn’t watch the VCU game, just read that Ace Baldwin got hurt in the game; why wouldn’t Mike Rhoades have a competent backup pg on the bench, wtf was he thinking? Didn’t he learn anything from seeing Mali hurt at Dayton multiple times? What a poor decision…
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Originally Posted by Smitty10 View Post
You keep repeating that nonsense.

So I ask you, why was coach K so successful for so long? Why is it his players made more plays more often than CAG's? Was he just "luckier" than CAG for 40 years?
He had the pick of any high school player he wanted? I don’t know… nice outlier by the way.
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He had the pick of any high school player he wanted? I don’t know… nice outlier by the way.
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Outlier? Pick any coach that has made the NCAA more than 4 times in their 15 year or shorter career. Why are they more successful? Because their players made plays and CAG isn't that lucky? Or better yet, pick any coach that has made the tournament more than 1 in the past 6? There are many.

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He had the pick of any high school player he wanted? I don’t know… nice outlier by the way.
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Why did Luke Kennard not even look at Dayton when AM was the coach? Dayton was rolling along with Archie at that point; local kid, close to home….seemed like a perfect fit right? We all know the answer of course; side by side, Dayton can’t possibly compare its campus and education to a scholarship to Duke due to the self sustaining success that Dukes had for the last 60+ years actually. Dayton inherently cannot compete with school from larger conferences on a year in/year out basis. The Dukes of the world have their pick EVERY year of which 5 star recruits they want.
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Because I couldn’t watch the VCU game, just read that Ace Baldwin got hurt in the game; why wouldn’t Mike Rhoades have a competent backup pg on the bench, wtf was he thinking? Didn’t he learn anything from seeing Mali hurt at Dayton multiple times? What a poor decision…
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OMG. So much wrong with this. Again, why my pet name for him is Bonehead.

Losing Ace to them would be like losing Deuce or Camara to us. It would be like if we had lost Obi in 2019-2020. Until Mali is star of the team, this is just another Bonehead comment.

Oh, and they would've lost anyway. They weren't playing against a terrible coach like they did in the A10 championship.
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Why did Luke Kennard not even look at Dayton when AM was the coach? Dayton was rolling along with Archie at that point; local kid, close to home….seemed like a perfect fit right? We all know the answer of course; side by side, Dayton can’t possibly compare its campus and education to a scholarship to Duke due to the self sustaining success that Dukes had for the last 60+ years actually. Dayton inherently cannot compete with school from larger conferences on a year in/year out basis. The Dukes of the world have their pick EVERY year of which 5 star recruits they want.
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So what, we are not Duke, or Ky or Houston. Can we not be VCU or X or Zaga?

Why did Kennard not go to OSU? And why did Holmes come to UD and not AZ? Kids like to go out of state and always have.
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Why did Luke Kennard not even look at Dayton when AM was the coach? Dayton was rolling along with Archie at that point; local kid, close to home….seemed like a perfect fit right? We all know the answer of course; side by side, Dayton can’t possibly compare its campus and education to a scholarship to Duke due to the self sustaining success that Dukes had for the last 60+ years actually. Dayton inherently cannot compete with school from larger conferences on a year in/year out basis. The Dukes of the world have their pick EVERY year of which 5 star recruits they want.
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OMG. So much wrong with this. Again, why my pet name for him is Bonehead.

Losing Ace to them would be like losing Deuce or Camara to us. It would be like if we had lost Obi in 2019-2020. Until Mali is star of the team, this is just another Bonehead comment.

Oh, and they would've lost anyway. They weren't playing against a terrible coach like they did in the A10 championship.
"Until Mali is star of the team"...talk about bone-headed comments.
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Outlier? Pick any coach that has made the NCAA more than 4 times in their 15 year or shorter career. Why are they more successful? Because their players made plays and CAG isn't that lucky? Or better yet, pick any coach that has made the tournament more than 1 in the past 6? There are many.
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"Until Mali is star of the team"...talk about bone-headed comments.
You want to elaborate? Or is it as simple as you think Mali is the star of the team. Your ignorance is very difficult to decipher.
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So what, we are not Duke, or Ky or Houston. Can we not be VCU or X or Zaga?

Why did Kennard not go to OSU? And why did Holmes come to UD and not AZ? Kids like to go out of state and always have.
OK jack, riddle: why does Duke and Kentucky always get their pick of a FULL ROSTER of 5 star recruits? (Not just the occasional 1)
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Okay, I knew the Flyers play slow on offense. But my eyes didn't tell me how slow.

Watching these good teams in the tournament, I see a lot of ball movement, and juking and driving, inside out passing, and then realizing that the shot they want isn't there, they move the ball out and reset the offense. I think to my self "wow, they better hurry!" and then look at the shot clock and there's still 13 seconds on it. I swear when I see the same kind of thing with the Flyers, there's usually about 6 seconds or less on the shot clock.
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Are you serious? Let’s see Duke had the best coach in the best basketball school, great academics ( not that many players cared, but it is a bragging right), a beautiful campus, great support, nice weather and sends a bunch to the pros. Probably ditto for KY, but I am not a fan.
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Seriously Jack? You think maybe it has something to do with the conference that either Duke or Kentucky are in? Think that might be a leading factor? Dayton made future success in the middle to late 70’s very difficult as long as they continue to cling to those decisions and put the arena first and the revenue it generates vs the conference affiliation they should value but don’t.
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Okay, I knew the Flyers play slow on offense. But my eyes didn't tell me how slow.

Watching these good teams in the tournament, I see a lot of ball movement, and juking and driving, inside out passing, and then realizing that the shot they want isn't there, they move the ball out and reset the offense. I think to my self "wow, they better hurry!" and then look at the shot clock and there's still 13 seconds on it. I swear when I see the same kind of thing with the Flyers, there's usually about 6 seconds or less on the shot clock.
Ehh, I don't know. I still see some/maybe several teams whose offense I am just not real impressed with. IMO, good offense seems to be about passing/sharing the ball, off-the-ball movement/back door plays, screens, and ball movement. Work the ball around the court looking for the open shot. Make the defense work. Inside-out play. Keep the ball moving, limit the amount of pointless dribbling. Make the defense adjust.

I see some of these teams just do a lot of dribbling running down the shot clock, lazy settling for 3 pointers, individual one-on-one dribble driving. Their offenses don't look too complex.

Seems like good offense beats good defense. You don't see many teams going far if they only score in the 50's or 60's. Good offense takes good coaching, and the players buying into the team concept/sharing the ball. I don't see a lot of great offenses and great offensive coaches.

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Seriously Jack? You think maybe it has something to do with the conference that either Duke or Kentucky are in? Think that might be a leading factor? Dayton made future success in the middle to late 70’s very difficult as long as they continue to cling to those decisions and put the arena first and the revenue it generates vs the conference affiliation they should value but don’t.
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My bad, I forgot to list conference affiliation. Certainly true for the ACC, but up until the last few years the SEC was lacking in great teams, other than KY.

Of course now the NIL money will have a huge influence, but most five star kids are all about getting to the NBA.
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My observations vs some of the games I watched

UD is slow
UD lacks outside shooters


I like our height and length but we should play 3 guards and 2 forwards to compete against the teams I watched
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It's a guard's game in D-1 basketball today. You need a point guard who can penetrate and dish and three other guard/forwards who shoot the three-ball. It is not complicated. We were not strong in the guard-game. We had two big studs who played their roles quite well, but we lacked a penetrating point guard and the accompanying shooters. Maybe Coach Grant knew that and thought the only way he could win games is to slow down the offense and rely on Camara and Holmes. His strategy worked to some degree, until we played the quick guards who could shoot the three-ball.
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Found it very hard to watch the Flyers this year. The guys frequently looked listless and resigned to going through the motions. Compare that to watching Kennesaw State against X. Overmatched on talent, but they play with purpose and pop. Their program is like 5 years old. When UD seems to thrive they've got coaches and players that reflect the blue collar grit, never say die attitude of the city itself.

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It's a guard's game in D-1 basketball today. You need a point guard who can penetrate and dish and three other guard/forwards who shoot the three-ball. It is not complicated. We were not strong in the guard-game. We had two big studs who played their roles quite well, but we lacked a penetrating point guard and the accompanying shooters. Maybe Coach Grant knew that and thought the only way he could win games is to slow down the offense and rely on Camara and Holmes. His strategy worked to some degree, until we played the quick guards who could shoot the three-ball.
And we're never going to have it when out of 4 guards, 2 of them are 6'6 and 6'8. You can tell by his recruiting that AG has fallen in love with height over speed, quickness and ball handling.
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And y’all still blame the coach. It’s a player driven sport, always has been. Make plays or you lose.
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Who in the hell is responsible for the players?

Provost? Team bus driver with Buckeye Charter? Janitor? Guys directing traffic?

Is amazing how a guy making 1.8 million a year isn't responsible for the results.

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And we're never going to have it when out of 4 guards, 2 of them are 6'6 and 6'8. You can tell by his recruiting that AG has fallen in love with height over speed, quickness and ball handling.
I tend to agree. Look what those quick guards on Bonnie, GW, and VCU did to us. Quickness trumps height in today's D-1 basketball.
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Anybody watch Penn St almost beat TX. They had four quality guards on the floor, and a few times five. Farleigh Dickenson had six good guards, and a 6'6 and 6'4" forwards.
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Heard on the broadcast that one of Xavier’s best players got injured in January and is out for the season. Now they’re off to the sweet 16. That would be impossible according to some posters here
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Heard on the broadcast that one of Xavier’s best players got injured in January and is out for the season. Now they’re off to the sweet 16. That would be impossible according to some posters here
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Not one, but two players.

Good coaches overcome adversity.

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But but but but look at how LONG Dayton is! They have such and advantage in height!
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Heard on the broadcast that one of Xavier’s best players got injured in January and is out for the season. Now they’re off to the sweet 16. That would be impossible according to some posters here
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You mean Xavier didn't have to rebuild for 6 years following a coaching change?

Can't wait to hear the defenders rationalize this one. Coach makes a difference or he doesn’t?
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You mean Xavier didn't have to rebuild for 6 years following a coaching change?

Can't wait to hear the defenders rationalize this one. Coach makes a difference or he doesn’t?
Dude took over there and got them to the Sweet 16 in his first year after the previous coach went 1/4 or maybe 0/4.

But it is all about the players, the coach doesn't make any difference.
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