Facts

[CoffeeCan]

1. Clock is ticking. This hire better be good.
2. AM did a lot for UD, but that ship has sailed. He is not up for sainthood, is he?
3. UMass has now hired TWO quality head coaches. TWO! UD, not so much.
4. I thought we were a "destination"
5. MW is a kid, free to make his own decisions.
6. I am fine with any road he takes, unless it is to Bloomington
7. There is no perfect HC candidate out there, all have flaws
8. Well, except for this Ray Harper guy evidently
9. We are probably not in this mess if we are the Big East.
10. I have been drinking.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[DallasFlyer]

Just keep drinking and don't let any facts stand in your way.

[N2663R]

I hope you are drinking Schlitz right now and saving the Pappy Van Winkle's 20 year old Family Reserve for when the announcement is made!

Let me add that I hope the announcement is worth some Pappy's!

Neil has an ace up his sleeve, right???

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by N2663R I hope you are drinking Schlitz right now and saving the Pappy Van Winkle's 20 year old Family Reserve for when the announcement is made! Let me add that I hope the announcement is worth some Pappy's! Neil has an ace up his sleeve, right???

I have some Laws Whiskey House - Four Grain Cask Strength going now. Cannot find Pappy lately.

But yeah, here is to Neil! Hopefully.

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Just keep drinking and don't let any facts stand in your way.

I just drink and lay down the facts, my man.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan 1. Clock is ticking. This hire better be good. 2. AM did a lot for UD, but that ship has sailed. He is not up for sainthood, is he? 3. UMass has now hired TWO quality head coaches. TWO! UD, not so much. 4. I thought we were a "destination" 5. MW is a kid, free to make his own decisions. 6. I am fine with any road he takes, unless it is to Bloomington 7. There is no perfect HC candidate out there, all have flaws 8. Well, except for this Ray Harper guy evidently 9. We are probably not in this mess if we are the Big East. 10. I have been drinking.

I'm thinking this post is worthy of earning you Knighthood and a permanent seat at the Royal Roundtable...but I'm going to sleep on it. Stay tuned.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[moville]

Is Lonergan totally damaged goods? Was he any worse than Knight as far as abusing players? Would we consider Knight for one year for the helluva it, while the search committee finds a right fit. I'm just spitballing. What about the coach at Saint Mary's . . . who I think was under consideration when Archie was hired six years ago?

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by moville Is Lonergan totally damaged goods? Was he any worse than Knight as far as abusing players? Would we consider Knight for one year for the helluva it, while the search committee finds a right fit. I'm just spitballing. What about the coach at Saint Mary's . . . who I think was under consideration when Archie was hired six years ago?

I think one of the first questions in the interview process is actually "are you a worse human being than Bobby Knight?"

But you know we really should have put out a fake tweet or something suggesting that Bobby Knight was going to be introduced as the next UD coach with an introductory press conference at the exact time Archie was introduced as IU coach. Just to mess with those Hoosier baztards. That would have been fun.

[shocka43]

Valid points, but Kelsey is not a quality coach that can be inserted into any discussion comparing UD and UMass...that dude is damaged goods.

Three fingers of Johnny Walker on the rocks for that one.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by shocka43 Valid points, but Kelsey is not a quality coach that can be inserted into any discussion comparing UD and UMass...that dude is damaged goods. Three fingers of Johnny Walker on the rocks for that one.

He's damaged goods only because he left UMass after committing for some reason. My point was they have acted TWICE already and we are in a holding pattern of some sort.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by shocka43 Valid points, but Kelsey is not a quality coach that can be inserted into any discussion comparing UD and UMass...that dude is damaged goods. Three fingers of Johnny Walker on the rocks for that one.

Kelsey was a great hire when Umass hired him, right up until 15 minutes before his introductory press conference. You can't blame them for that one. I honestly think Pat Kelsey would be the coach at Dayton right now if he had never flirted with Umass.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[SeasonTicketFan]

UMass was NOT the first incident in which something went wrong with Kelsey during the hiring process. The other incident is not public knowledge. Got the info from another basketball school that tried to interview him.

There is a problem there.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[C-time]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Kelsey was a great hire when Umass hired him, right up until 15 minutes before his introductory press conference. You can't blame them for that one. I honestly think Pat Kelsey would be the coach at Dayton right now if he had never flirted with Umass.

This x1000

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan UMass was NOT the first incident in which something went wrong with Kelsey during the hiring process. The other incident is not public knowledge. Got the info from another basketball school that tried to interview him. There is a problem there.

This is news to me, no idea what you are referring to here. I am intrigued.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Columbia Blue]

checked back in the archives ...

GT hired Gregory on Monday 3/28, and UD's job remained vacant until Sunday April 3 of Final 4 weekend -- a full week. Reported we talked to Steve Wojciechowski among others, who ultimately withdrew his name.

A week isn't too long if we get it right. This is a BIG SPOT for a young Athletic Director. I hope UD is getting input from Tim Wabler, Ted Kissell, and anyone else with a qualified opinion.

Anthony Grant with Tom Ostrom as Associate Head Coach is the best I've heard, short of a dark horse emerging.

Just imagine if we hired Bob Huggins instead of Jim O'Brien in 1989, Mike Deane vs Oliver Purnell in 1994, Ron Jirsa vs Brian Gregory in 2002 ...
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Below from a 2011 link of UD candidates ... funny to look back. Billy Schmidt would have been the in-house "stability candidate". Percy Gibson and LaDontae Henton were ultimately released from their LOI's without restriction, I believe.

http://collegesportsinfo.com/2011/02...al-candidates/

Archie Miller (Arizona assistant), Matthew Graves (Butler assistant), Billy Schmidt (Dayton assistant), John Groce (Ohio coach), Gary Waters (Cleveland St. coach), Rob Jeter (Wisconsin-Milwaukee coach), Keith Dambrot (Akron coach), Billy Kennedy (Murray St. coach), Chris Collins (Duke assistant), Greg Kampe (Oakland coach), Jim Christian (TCU coach), Porter Moser (St. Louis assistant)

Longshots: Donnie Tyndall (Morehead St. coach), Gregg Marshall (Wichita St. coach), Tommy Amaker (Harvard coach), Blaine Taylor (ODU coach)

No longer a candidate: Steve Wojciechowski (Duke assistant)

	Ted Kissell TED KISSELL Athletic Director at the University of Dayton from 1993-2008. Helped spearhead a renewed commitment to athletic excellence by hiring Oliver Purnell to resurrect the men's basketball program, and emphasized major non-revenue sports to raise UD's profile. Helped UD receive an invitation to the A10 Conference, developed new baseball, softball, soccer, football, and basketball facility upgrades, and achieved NCAA appearances in men's basketball, men's and women's soccer, and volleyball -- the latter three being program's firsts. Also served as UD's Vice President and improved overall academic performance among student athletes.

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[Windy City Flyer]

Where are they now?

Archie Miller (Arizona assistant) / Dayton now IU 139-63
Matthew Graves (Butler assistant) / South Alabama 51-78
Billy Schmidt (Dayton assistant) / OKC Thunder
John Groce (Ohio coach) / Fired Illinois 180 - 131
Gary Waters (Cleveland St. coach) / Cleve St 194-172
Rob Jeter (Wisconsin-Milwaukee coach) 184-170
Keith Dambrot (Akron coach) 305-139 Akron now Duquense
Billy Kennedy (Murray St. coach) now Texas tech 115-45
Chris Collins (Duke assistant) now Northwestern 73-60
Greg Kampe (Oakland coach) still at Oakland 583-424
Jim Christian (TCU coach) now Boston College 29.67
Porter Moser (St. Louis assistant) 89-105

Longshots:
Donnie Tyndall Morehead St. coach) major recruiting violations at Southern Miss
Gregg Marshall (Wichita St. coach) 261 - 90
Tommy Amaker (Harvard coach) 179-96
Blaine Taylor (ODU coach) Fired in 2013 after 2-30 season went 239-144 at ODU

[Furio]

Matt McCall finished the season on a 5 game losing streak.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by Furio Matt McCall finished the season on a 5 game losing streak.

He had a lot of talent coming back and his team fell apart this year. Most of the upperclassmen are Wade's guys too

He seems overrated to me

[rollo]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan 1. Clock is ticking. This hire better be good. 2. AM did a lot for UD, but that ship has sailed. He is not up for sainthood, is he? 3. UMass has now hired TWO quality head coaches. TWO! UD, not so much. 4. I thought we were a "destination" 5. MW is a kid, free to make his own decisions. 6. I am fine with any road he takes, unless it is to Bloomington 7. There is no perfect HC candidate out there, all have flaws 8. Well, except for this Ray Harper guy evidently 9. We are probably not in this mess if we are the Big East. 10. I have been drinking.

Originally Posted by rollo I'm thinking this post is worthy of earning you Knighthood and a permanent seat at the Royal Roundtable...but I'm going to sleep on it. Stay tuned.

Votes are in.

And your application to the Royal Roundtable has been REJECTED! We've just got too many Royal drunks already...



Better luck next season!

King Rollo the Messenger...OUT!

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan 1. Clock is ticking. This hire better be good. 2. AM did a lot for UD, but that ship has sailed. He is not up for sainthood, is he? 3. UMass has now hired TWO quality head coaches. TWO! UD, not so much. 4. I thought we were a "destination" 5. MW is a kid, free to make his own decisions. 6. I am fine with any road he takes, unless it is to Bloomington 7. There is no perfect HC candidate out there, all have flaws 8. Well, except for this Ray Harper guy evidently 9. We are probably not in this mess if we are the Big East. 10. I have been drinking.

1) Opinion, but I agree
2) Opinion, but I agree
3) Opinion, too early to tell
4) Opinion of some on this board
5) Fact
6) Opinion
7) Technically opinion, but I can see fact as well
8) FACT!!!!
9) Opinion
10) Fact

I think somebody needs to learn the difference between fact and opinion.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[steve]

FACT: Cook all chicken thoroughly before eating or else the other FACT will happen..

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Columbia Blue Below from a 2011 link of UD candidates ... funny to look back. Billy Schmidt would have been the in-house "stability candidate". Percy Gibson and LaDontae Henton were ultimately released from their LOI's without restriction, I believe. http://collegesportsinfo.com/2011/02...al-candidates/ Archie Miller (Arizona assistant), Matthew Graves (Butler assistant), Billy Schmidt (Dayton assistant), John Groce (Ohio coach), Gary Waters (Cleveland St. coach), Rob Jeter (Wisconsin-Milwaukee coach), Keith Dambrot (Akron coach), Billy Kennedy (Murray St. coach), Chris Collins (Duke assistant), Greg Kampe (Oakland coach), Jim Christian (TCU coach), Porter Moser (St. Louis assistant) Longshots: Donnie Tyndall (Morehead St. coach), Gregg Marshall (Wichita St. coach), Tommy Amaker (Harvard coach), Blaine Taylor (ODU coach) No longer a candidate: Steve Wojciechowski (Duke assistant)

Mark Adams tweeted that Muller was a finalist for the Dayton job last go around FWIW though he's not listed above.