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View Poll Results: Which direction should the possession arrow point after the jumpball violation?
Red gets the ball and arrow, as King Ref originally said 10 47.62%
White gets the arrow since Red gets the ball, King Ref is wrong again! 11 52.38%
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Old 02-06-2017, 07:19 AM
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You Make the Call - Jump Ball and Possession Arrow

This happened twice this weekend...UGH!

My partner has lined up the teams for the opening jump ball...I'm in front of the table ready to chop the clock. Red going left...White going right.

Ball is tossed...jumpers simultaneously slap at the ball so it goes nowhere but straight down. The white team's jumper then grabs the ball and passes it to the wing...but stops because the King ref had blown his whistle to stop play.

By rule, the jumper cannot gain possession of the ball unless it has been touched twice, so I call the violation on White. No controversy there.

So I go to the table and tell them that we have a white violation and it's Red ball at midcourt...and the possession arrow also should point to Red. They look at me like I'm nuts, but do what I say. Then my partner gets involved and says 'no, arrow goes to white'. UGH! So I go huddle with him and he says the rule change 5-6 years ago and since Red gets the ball at midcourt, white gets the next possession. Not in the mood to argue, we tell the table to change the arrow.

One of us was right...one of us was wrong. What's the right call? White? or Red?

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Old 02-06-2017, 07:41 AM
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I voted pro Rollo. 2 reasons:

1) it's Rollo
2) arrow goes to team opposite the team that committed violation
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Old 02-06-2017, 08:24 AM
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I voted pro Rollo. 2 reasons:

1) it's Rollo
Smart man...or NOT!?!

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2) arrow goes to team opposite the team that committed violation
Arrow moves based on dual possession, not violations. Think about it. Had red legally tipped the ball to a teammate who immediately traveled, would white get ball and the arrow?
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So your saying that either Rollo gave in to one of his underlings, or Rollo was wrong to start with?

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Arrow moves based on dual possession, not violations. Think about it. Had red legally tipped the ball to a teammate who immediately traveled, would white get ball and the arrow?
Nope!
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So I go to the table and tell them .
Wait, you mean a referee went to the scorers table, instead of trying to half assed yell across the gym and expect those at the table to know what he was saying. Old school man, maybe I need to take back my previous comment.

I did notice you actually going toward the table when I witnessed your officiating first hand a couple weeks ago, good job. Can you tell that is a big pet peeve of mine when I am keeping the book in a loud gym.

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I really have no idea, but two notes.

* The "rule change 5-6 years ago" part indicates that this rule is obscure enough that different levels likely have different rules. So I have to ask... what ruleset is this being played under? I'm assuming Boys' High School basketball in Ohio?

* Rollo is probably right. Hard to imagine him posting a scenario where he was wrong.
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I really have no idea, but two notes.

* The "rule change 5-6 years ago" part indicates that this rule is obscure enough that different levels likely have different rules. So I have to ask... what ruleset is this being played under? I'm assuming Boys' High School basketball in Ohio?

* Rollo is probably right. Hard to imagine him posting a scenario where he was wrong.
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I voted with the option that said, "King Rollo wrong again."
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I voted with the option that said, "King Rollo wrong again."
Did you even read the question?
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Did you even read the question?
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Originally Posted by FlyingArrow View Post
* Rollo is probably right. Hard to imagine him posting a scenario where he was wrong.
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I voted with the option that said, "King Rollo wrong again."

One of these two Flyers of the Royal Roundtable is correct...and, of course, it's Figgie.

Yes, the King Ref was wrong. Per the Rules, if the person jumping center catches the ball, it's an immediate violation and no possession/player control was established. That's where my thinking was wrong....in my Royal mind catching the ball established both possession and a violation...whereas the Rules states 'there is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball...'.

So yes, the King Ref ruled incorrectly. But because the King is open minded, flexible and respectful, he allowed the ref with 26 years experience to correct the call. No harm. No foul...errr, I mean no violation.

King Roll the Ref.....OUT!
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