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March 02, 2011 - 7:00 PM
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Kwamain Mitchell should be back in action and fully functional for this game.
Here he can be seen toasting Xavier legend, Andrew Taylor.

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This was written before the Mitchell and Reed suspensions. Things have changed dramatically.


Rick Majerus led Saint Louis to 23 wins last season with no seniors.


http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=549

Saint Louis Billikens
Last Season: 23-13 (11-5)
Key Losses: None
Head Coach: Rick Majerus

Projected Starting Lineup
PG: Kyle Cassity 6-3 Jr.
SG: Kwamain Mitchell 5-10 Jr.
SF: Christian Salecich 6-3 So.
PF: Willie Reed 6-9 Jr.
C: Cody Ellis 6-8 So.
Key Reserves: Brian Conklin 6-6 Jr. PF, Femi John 6-2 So. SG, Cory Remekun 6-7 So. SF

Normally, a team with no seniors on its roster that is one of the youngest teams in the country would struggle. But that wasn't the case for Saint Louis. On a roster with nine freshmen, four sophomores and one junior (that's right - only one player on the entire roster was older than a sophomore), the Billikens went 11-5 in a tough Atlantic 10 conference and nearly made the NCAA tournament. They won six games in a row in early February to get themselves into the at-large bid conversation. But close losses late in the season to both Xavier and Temple severely hurt the Billikens' chances. Then, their youth really showed when they lost by 16 to Rhode Island in the quarterfinals of the Atlantic 10 tournament.

But the good news is that the Billikens, led by Rick Majerus, gained a year of experience and earned 23 victories

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http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/sites..._logos/slu.jpgOverall Rank: #54


Conference Rank: #6 Atlantic 10 Conference


2009-10: 23-13, 11-5
2009-10 postseason: CBI
Coach: Rick Majerus (57-42 at Saint Louis, 478-187 overall)


Final Projection:
A year from now St. Louis will be eyeing an A-10 title. But for now a step up from the CBI is a step in the right direction. This is a team that has the talent to make it to the NCAA Tournament, but they have to get past some good teams in their conference. The A-10 may be looking at four tournament teams, but there are five teams that appear capable of making the big dance. St. Louis’ recent lack of big game success could leave them on the outside looking in.

Projected Post-season Tournament: NIT

Projected Starting Five:
Kyle Cassity, Junior, Guard, 6.0 ppg
Kwamain Mitchell, Junior, Guard, 15.9 ppg
Christian Salecich, Sophomore, Guard, 6.4 ppg
Cody Ellis, Sophomore, Forward, 10.5 ppg
Willie Reed, Junior, Forward, 12.4 ppg
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Per WH of the A10 board:

http://www.basketballforum.com/atlantic-10-conference/449023-st-louis.html



ST. LOUIS

The keys to the Billikens' success is to develop one of the young point guards quickly or get Kwamain Mitchell back in late December; find another go-to scorer and reliable outside shooter; identify another interior presence to replace Willie Reed; and do a better job on the boards (-2.1 margin, 10th in the A-10).

The Bills would have been title contenders if Mitchell and Reed were not suspended, but there's no way they can win the A-10 now. Those two players led SLU in scoring in 28 of the team's 36 games and would have been preseason All-League selections.

Still, SLU has plenty of talent and at least a few upperclassmen now in bruiser Brian Conklin and combo guard Kyle Cassity. The team has also gotten deeper and more athletic, though the roster is young once again.

The equalizer is Rick Majerus. He has never had a losing season and each year he has won more games at SLU than preaseason forecasters predicted. I suspect RM will pull it off again and surpass my forecast, but the A-10 will be very unforiving to young teams this year and St. Louis has a tougher league schedule.

It's important that freshman guard Jordair Jett grasp the offense quickly and sophomore Cory Remekun step up his game inside, at least on defense. Conklin can't guard the interior by himself and 6-11 frosh Rob Loe is said to be somewhat soft. Cody Ellis also has to step up and give SLU some outside-in scoring.

The big question is whether anyone can create his own offense, a la Mitchell, when defenses tighten up late in the game. Who's going to take and make the big shot?


NONCONFERENCE SCHEDULE

W - AUSTIN PEAY
W - ROCKHURST
L - GEORGIA
W - TENNESSEE STATE
L - IUPUI
W - At Portland
L - At Duke
W - JACKSONVILLE
L - At Missouri State
W - NORTHEASTERN (Cancun)
L - Southern Miss (Cancun)
L - Colorado State or Ole Miss (Cancun)
W - BOWLING GREEN
W - CHICAGO STATE

Rick Majerus loaded up with home games against beatable opponents, a fortunate strategy in light of the loss of Mitchell and Reed. The BIllikens start out with Austin Peay in what could be a tough game. Peay is coached by Dave Loos and the team returns four starters. Not a big scoring bunch, though, so SLU should eke out a win.

Rockhurst is not a Division 1 team and shouldn't pose too much threat. Georgia, on the other hand, is big and athletic, with a potential NBA draft pick in 6-10 Trey Thompkins. Little chance of the Bills pulling an upset here, even at home.

The five-game home stand to open the season concludes with Tennessee State and IUPUI. Tennessee State has eight new players after a season in which the team lost 23 games. It's a quick, small and athletic bunch but Tennessee State should be susceptible to SLU's patient offense. IUPUI has beaten several A-10 teams in the recent

years and returns most of its top players, including future pro Alex Young, from a program that won 25 games last year. A young SLU team is bound to lose one or two of these games at home this season.

SLU goes on the road finally to visit Portland and Duke. Portland lost four starters from a 21-win team, but the squad has good size - Jack Sikma's son is a starting forward - and some returning veterans in the backcourt. A very winnable game, but Portland did beat Oregon and UCLA last year. Duke, however, is not winnable.

Returning home SLU hosts Jacksonville, another 20-win team from a season ago. Jacksonville is athletic and deep but evidently the team has trouble scoring. They won't be able to beat SLU with athleticism and defense alone. Missouri State returns all five starters after a 25-win season. MSU beat St. Louis at Chaifetz last year and there's no reason to think it won't beat the Bills again now that the Bears have home-court advantage.

SLu flies to Cancun for three games, starting with Northeastern. Could be a tough game on a neutral court, but Northeastern has trouble with disciplined teams and SLU should squeeze out a win. If so, the team would almost certainly play Souther Miss next. Coach Larry Eustachy has his best team yet, with all five starters returning.

Southern's experience should carry the day. The final game would likely pair the Bills up with Mississippi or Colorado State, both of which are talented and experienced. I predict a loss, but if SLU wins two games in this tournament, other A-10 teams should be wary. It will mean the young Billikens players are getting up to speed quickly.

St. Louis takes on Bowling Green after returning stateside. BG is a bit like recent LaSalle teams but not as talented. Lots of midsized athletes without special uskills. SLU will win if the Bills handle the press and run the offense like RM wants. Late in the season, SLU feasts on Chicago State to give the players a breather amid a tough A-10 sked. Chicago State, an independent, lost 23 games last season.


NONCONFERENCE RECORD: 8-6


BONUS A-10 PREDICTION: 8-8 (16-14 overall)

The Billikens drop Richmond and pair up with Dayton, Duquesne and Xavier, one of the toughest unbalanced schedules in the A-10. That would have been fine with Mitchell and Reed, but it could be brutal without. SLU went 4-1 vs. these three teams last year. Hard to see the Bills doing any better than 3-3 this around, and maybe worse if Mitchell redshirts and the new guys struggle.

SLU also goes on the road at Temple, Fordham, George Washington, Richmond and St. Bonaventure. Two wins is probably the ceiling with this tough group. Forget about Temple and Richmond: SLU has had trouble beating GW and Bonaventure on the road since joining the league.
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Mindboggling.....tv timeout, players get to rest for 2+ minutes, SLU makes one sub, we make FOUR.
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What an effort on Senior Night.
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jack, does it surprise you....all of SLU star players, if they have any....have played the whole game...while BG continues to think his Flyers play hockey.

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20-9....

Benson can't be stopped while Searcy looks like a high school junior out there:

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An 11 point lead for SLU might as well be 20 at the pace this game is going.
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First game i've watched in over a month--guess the only thing I've missed is mediocrity
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jack, does it surprise you....all of SLU star players, if they have any....have played the whole game...while BG continues to think his Flyers play hockey.

out goes Benson...he must be exhausted after those 4-5 min....
Benson takes the Lowe kid twice in a row, so out he comes for DS who is doing his best KH imitation on offense.
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How many UD fans book their accommodations in AC in advance? Just curious.
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I prefer we play nobody on senior night next year.....what? Fordham maybe, that would be the only guarantee.
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For somebody who uses it as an excuse, I see a lot of moving screens by our guys.
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I have been following UD basketball for 55 years. For the life of me, including the Jim O'Brien years, I cannot remember a more dysfunctional offense. It is painful to watch this team run an offense.
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This is UNREAL. If we can't beat this team on senior night, something has to be done. Our two leaders are blind to the problems.
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I have been following UD basketball for 55 years. For the life of me, including the Jim O'Brien years, I cannot remember a more dysfunctional offense. It is painful to watch this team run an offense.
The defense is pretty dysfunctional also
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UD might be the worst shooting D-1 team in the country
Statistically not quite, but anyone watching this game would think so.
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We are not that bad a shooting team. We just take bad shots because we run no offense.
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There is a very good chance we play on the road in the first rd of the A10 tournament. We will not make AC. We suck and this is sooooooo embarrassing.
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Yup, we use the excuse for all our new players this year....glad Majerus doesn't use that excuse...they lose their two top players for the year and compete at the same level we do by the end of the season.

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serious issues between this staff and the players.
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I love watching BG lean on the video score table every game like he has no clue if he's coaching soccer, hockey, or badmiton...forget about basketball.
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I saw that as well Jcubs. Wow.
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Josh Benson has been yanked out of this game no less then 5 times.....Conklin hasn't sat down.....


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I noticed Coach Mann's disgust as well...and Paul ignored him. Folks, there is something drastically wrong with the chemistry on this team. I think they have given up on the coaching staff.
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Couldn't get a video feed -- may be the hotel Internet access -- and listening to WHIO radio. Cannot believe what I am hearing. Has the team just given up? This is senior's night, right?
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If there are chemistry problems on this team, which it's certainly so, BG had no sack whatsoever to handle it the right way. Have we seen anyone benched this year??? NOPE.
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Kids don't. Staff and administration do. It's obvious BG has lost these guys. You can tell by body language and the fact that UD is simply going through the motions on both ends of the floor. I mean you don't play this **** poor on senior night unless, as a player, you just don't care anymore.
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Does anyone feel like we are slipping into the abyss...very similar to the Jim O'Brien years. Seriously, that's what it feels like. I really do feel sorry for the players. I think they have given all they had and now their spirits are broken.
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Sure glad we held for the last shot. Is BG clueless or what?

sure looks that way....

I won't even watch the second half. I hope to god they get their sheet straight.

Folks, whether you want to deny or believe it....OUR PROGRAM IS IN SHAMBLES.

I guarantee we lose multiple players to transfer in the off-season. Guarantee it.
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Fire him at halftime
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Couldn't get a video feed -- may be the hotel Internet access -- and listening to WHIO radio. Cannot believe what I am hearing. Has the team just given up? This is senior's night, right?
It's a shame the coach and coaches can't graduate.
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Here's what I would do at halftime....I'd fire BG....

then I would play Kevin Dillard, Williams, CJ, Benson, and Kav.....with a little Parker and Spearman...

honest to God, I'd do it.
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sure looks that way....

I won't even watch the second half. I hope to god they get their sheet straight.

Folks, whether you want to deny or believe it....OUR PROGRAM IS IN SHAMBLES.

I guarantee we lose multiple players to transfer in the off-season. Guarantee it.
Maybe then Wabler and Curran will sit up and take notice of the sad state of affairs this program is in.
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I hope everyone here realizes the amount talent that this staff squandered the last 4 years........talk JOB all you want, he never had players like this, neither did OP.

Everyone says becareful what you wish for if BG leaves...we should have said the same thing when OP left.
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Here's what I would do at halftime....I'd fire BG....

then I would play Kevin Dillard, Williams, CJ, Benson, and Kav.....with a little Parker and Spearman...

honest to God, I'd do it.
Jcubspoe, I would do the same thing. Time to fire Gregory. Make a statement fire him at halftime.
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Here's what I would do at halftime....I'd fire BG....

then I would play Kevin Dillard, Williams, CJ, Benson, and Kav.....with a little Parker and Spearman...

honest to God, I'd do it.
Your close! but Dillard isnt eligible yet If BG had any balls he would play the walkons!! That's what a good coach would do!!
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I know Dillard isn't elgible, l'd still play him.
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I hope everyone here realizes the amount talent that this staff squandered the last 4 years........talk JOB all you want, he never had players like this, neither did OP.

Everyone says becareful what you wish for if BG leaves...we should have said the same thing when OP left.
SLU's 4 freshmen have improved more just in this game than some of the talent here has in 4 years/
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Any reason why Benson didn't start this half....guess he didn't earn it.
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Great idea...ignore the real issue...a bad coach...keep burying your head in the sand. The ones that didn't show, are the smart ones.
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Any reason why Benson didn't start this half....guess he didn't earn it.
Totally convinced he knows nothing about basketball...Fire Gregory
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St. Louis is putting on an offensive clinic with less talent--maybe--than UD
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Just got home and turned on the game. Had to do a doubetake to ensure it wasn't WHIO making a mistake.

All I can say is YGBSM. Senior night vs. an A-10 bottom feeder who we beat at their place by 10 two months ago. Pathetic.

The first play I saw said it all--confused offense at the top of the key, turnover, SLU basket in transition.

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Can't decide which is a bigger train wreck right now, Charlie Sheen or UD hoops.

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This looks like the UC game against a team with half the talent of UC.
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And I'm not a "True Fan" because I want better than this.
Only 7 more years of this garbage. 2018
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I feel bad for CW, I'm sure he thought he was going to get better in the four years he was here. Unfortunately it seems no one knew how to teach him the game's fundamentals.
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Flyerfanatic86: I am in the same boat with you. I am a "troll" because I saw this avalanche occurring many games ago. This is very difficult to watch. I turned on Bucky and Larry and they are just sick over this performance. It will take a lot of Bud Lites for Bucky to wash away this performance.
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