NOT in yet because of Perfomance!!! SIMPLE

[flybye]

The Jesuits dont hate us...its not an old boy network. ITS ABOUT UD and its lack of PERFORMANCE. I took three guys who had not been to the Arena to the NCAA yesterday and here it is in a nutshell...Wow the Arena is great!!! and then I showed them OUR banners tuked up behind the wall in the 300 section. which by the way are all NIT banners and they asked...do you have any NCAA banners. Look we waited on BG too long and then he screwed us and left nothing. There is no defending him...he is simply a mid level coach. The more you all accept any excuse besides Performance your missing the boat. The message board and our passion... the arena and our fans are great...our program is not. Just a Ho Hum mid level program that finds a way to underachieve every year and lets it administration and coach fill the papers with excuse after excuse. Too Young..cupboard bare..tough conference. The Aten is 6 and 0 what a conference...stop we lost to RI and GW.. Very simple..Kissel, Wabler and BG under performed at a crititcal time and it cost us at least a year in the New Conference. Performance has BIG EARS...just ask BUTLER.

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

[rollo]

IF we would just PRAY more our LUCK would change and NEXT SEASON will, we HOPE, be better.

Yes, we're that close!!!

[longtimefan]

The NCAA banners are on the other side of the arena. I assume you told your buddies that.

[flybye]

Lol....I did tell them about the NCAA banners..we just couldn't see them!!!!!! Lol...I also told them we have one NCAA win in 25 years...I told them as a huge supporter of the Program how dissapointing that is. I told them versus schools like ours X...Gonzaga....Butler... that we were underachievers. After seeing our first class facility they agreed.

[T-Bone 84]

Flybye, I agree with a lot of your post, but I must beg to differ on 1 of your points. The Jesuits are without a doubt an "old boy network". Just see the comment from Marquette President, Rev. Scott Pilarz, in the analysis on how Creighton got in: "I would always stick up for Creighton — it's another Jesuit school."

Now, my daughter went to a Jesuit university, and the religious there have always been cordial, so it's certainly not like they "hate us". But if it came down to a Jesuit institution and a non-Jesuit institution for the last slot in an expanded NBE, and there were no other factors at play, I'd lay my money on the "powers that be" giving the Jesuit school the invite.

The rest of what you said is pretty much correct. If it had been UD making it to 4 of the last 7 NCAA tourneys, or UD making it to 2 or 3 Sweet Sixteens, then the NBE would have been nuts to leave UD out of the picture. As it is, 1 NCAA appearance in 9 years just doesn't cut it for an applicant. And SLU, a "Jesuit school" with 2 NCAAs in 2 years but none for 10 years before that, is in the same boat as UD.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Rick Scaia]

I realize there are a wide range of opinions on this issue, which have polarized the fan base and pit Flyer brother vs. Flyer brother. But I -- a wise man and a great compromiser -- suggest that we can all unite and agree upon one simple issue:

There's no reason to start a new thread to repeat a notion that's already been stated a hundred times over, in a half-dozen pre-existing threads on the subject.

Let the healing begin....

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by flybye ...I told them versus schools like ours X...Gonzaga....Butler... that we were underachievers. After seeing our first class facility they agreed.

FWIW, I agree too.

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Flybye, I agree with a lot of your post, but I must beg to differ on 1 of your points. The Jesuits are without a doubt an "old boy network". Just see the comment from Marquette President, Rev. Scott Pilarz, in the analysis on how Creighton got in: "I would always stick up for Creighton — it's another Jesuit school." Now, my daughter went to a Jesuit university, and the religious there have always been cordial, so it's certainly not like they "hate us". But if it came down to a Jesuit institution and a non-Jesuit institution for the last slot in an expanded NBE, and there were no other factors at play, I'd lay my money on the "powers that be" giving the Jesuit school the invite. The rest of what you said is pretty much correct. If it had been UD making it to 4 of the last 7 NCAA tourneys, or UD making it to 2 or 3 Sweet Sixteens, then the NBE would have been nuts to leave UD out of the picture. As it is, 1 NCAA appearance in 9 years just doesn't cut it for an applicant. And SLU, a "Jesuit school" with 2 NCAAs in 2 years but none for 10 years before that, is in the same boat as UD.

One of my sons went to a Jesuit university. In a large public area of the student center there is a large wall, 20 ft ceiling, etc. On that wall are the pennants of all (22?) Jesuit colleges and universities in the U.S. They are a tight-knit club.

[flybye]

Butler is not a Jesuit School..They simply Performed. I agree we need to move forward but we need to Win and get into the NCAA next year and make some noise on a consistent basis. Keep in mind FGC University now has as many wins as we have in the NCAA the last 25 years...They have been Division 1 for 4 years and have beat GT and Miami... We have to get better players and play a style that attracks better players. Lets next year win the Conference.That would be a good start. Any body think we cant???

[Larymike]

This is on the money! Lack of PERFORMANCE! This is what has kept UD on the sidelines of the NBE expansion. When NBE expansion happens, however, I expect UD to make the cut. This will primarily be due to game time atmosphere, not game time performance.

[UDDoug]

Yes and No.

If Dayton had Butler's track record over the past 10 years they would be in. If the had Xavier's they would be in. So yes.

But if they exactly matched Creighton? Or in two years if it's Richmond and SLU. Then it's less about performance being the deciding factor. Performance just could have been the factor to overcome what drove the decision.
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	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by UDDoug Yes and No. If Dayton had Butler's track record over the past 10 years they would be in. If the jad Xavier's they would be in. So yes. But if they exactly matched Creighton? Or in two years if it's Richmond and SLU. Then it's less about performance being the deciding factor. Performance just could have been the factor to overcome what drove the decision. Posted via Mobile Device

I don't think many if any are saying that performance is the only criteria - BB performance is just the main criteria. At best the Jesuit affiliation is probably the tie-breaker between schools of like qualifications. If this wasn't true, there would be no way to explain Butler.

What I am not willing to do is demonize the existing schools for accepting who they want for the reasons they want. It is their club and they extend the invites. The old boy network is involved, so what and who cares. That is how things at this level and magnitud often are decided.

The way some of you talk about them, I'm surprised you'd want UD in the club of such an evil group. In actuality, it is no more than sour grapes and quite sophmoric at that.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UDDoug]

Performance was what they looked at second. First was fit. No FBS or scholarship football. Smallish private school. Good academics. Basketball main sport. If performance was first it would be VCU, and they were close but got cut on fit.

That put X and BU in.

Creighton has a performance edge. But to many geography and TV almost offset.

I agree it is important, but not the only reason. And the members can make the decision however they want. Have heard from some that 11 and 12 could surprise the media.
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[bobber]

So the media perception of SLU and UD is wrong. Wouldn't surprise me.

How about St. Joe's and Richmond? Villanova could be out voted once Creighton and X are voting members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.