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Old 02-04-2017, 04:07 PM
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Duquesne game thoughts

Nice to win big and get some guys a bit of rest. Unfortunately, Scoochie didn't get as much as he should have. Even with the huge lead, I cringed every time Crosby was in the game. He just doesn't execute the offense. What was generally crisp and smooth when Scoochie was in turned into a bunch of guys standing around and eventually Crosby trying to drive the hole. Hard to say but can't believe he's not getting it yet.

Great start by Mikesell getting those easy buckets around the rim. Duquesne is not good but you still gotta put the rock in the hole and he did that with 8 easy first half points.

Great all-around team effort today. Lots of contributors, good rebounding.

Final thought...I know many people think Cooke is our best player and most likely to make a NBA roster, but the more I watch Scoochie, I think he could have a shot. Maybe not to be drafted, but via the Brian Roberts route. Play a couple years in Europe, maybe D league? He can drive, finish, has a decent outside shot.

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Old 02-04-2017, 04:17 PM
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NBC announcers were gushing all over the Flyers about 1 minute into the game. When the Dukes went on a 11 point run, my Flyer life flashed before my eyes.
I was headed for the garage when my wife said " Quit acting like a wimp, the Flyers are going to win by 25 points!" Ha...how wrong she was!!!!
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Old 02-04-2017, 04:21 PM
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I thought Crosby played his best game of the last couple of months. He was not great, but he did some very good things out there today. He is no Scooch but he is no slouch either. I am still hopeful that he is going to develop into a decent PG.
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Originally Posted by frisco flyer View Post
I thought Crosby played his best game of the last couple of months. He was not great, but he did some very good things out there today. He is no Scooch but he is no slouch either. I am still hopeful that he is going to develop into a decent PG.
I always have hope, and believe that if guys buy into Archie's message, they WILL improve. Hard to believe though, 2/3 through Sophomore year and he hasn't seemed to get it yet, at least not on a consistent basis.
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London Warren took a while to settle down and become a great asset on the court. I remember cringing a lot whenever he handled the ball in his first two seasons. I think Crosby can become a decent point guard, although I often wish he were developing faster.

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There is a light !!! Showed genuine improvement. Looked relaxed.

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Old 02-04-2017, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Go-UD-Go View Post
London Warren took a while to settle down and become a great asset on the court. I remember cringing a lot whenever he handled the ball in his first two seasons. I think Crosby can become a decent point guard, although I often wish he were developing faster.

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I really really wish people would stop comparing London and Crosby like this. There is zero comparison. While London played way too fast at times, he had
Lots of times of very functional offense and brought it big time on D.

Crosby has no defense and continues to: 1. dribble at shoulder level 2. get up in the air with nowhere to go 3.carry the ball 4. Play way too fast 5. Play with too much pizazz always making the simple difficult.

The worst thing about his game is he has zero PG instincts. I will be totally suprised if he is on the team next year. Gotta believe Archie is looking all over for a serviceable Juco PG for next year. Really sad too as Crosby seems like a super nice kid. I sure hope I'm wrong about his chances.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:30 PM
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It takes a really Debbie downer to complain about anybody after a game like that! RELAX! Worry about whether JC is the right point guard in July. In the interim, enjoy three seniors who have played their asses off for us for four years!
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Old 02-04-2017, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DGO67 View Post
NBC announcers were gushing all over the Flyers about 1 minute into the game. When the Dukes went on a 11 point run, my Flyer life flashed before my eyes.
I was headed for the garage when my wife said " Quit acting like a wimp, the Flyers are going to win by 25 points!" Ha...how wrong she was!!!!
Thought it interesting that whoever the color commentator was, Tim Welsh perhaps, said that with McElvene and Cunningham UD was a top 10 team. But even without them, they are the best team in the A10.
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Old 02-04-2017, 07:13 PM
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Thought it interesting that whoever the color commentator was, Tim Welsh perhaps, said that with McElvene and Cunningham UD was a top 10 team. But even without them, they are the best team in the A10.
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Old 02-04-2017, 07:25 PM
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I remember back when Binnie was playing. No matter what he did it was not quite right with some people. Now I see the same stuff going on with Crosby. It is one thing to criticize the guy, but to make comments like he cannot dribble, or he has no shot, of he plays no defense, or he is not a D1 player or needs to transfer is just plain silly. At least he has taken the focus off of DD and Sam for the time being.

Like they said, never want to be the coach following Wooden. Never want to be the point guard following Scoochie.
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Old 02-04-2017, 07:37 PM
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Thought it interesting that whoever the color commentator was, Tim Welsh perhaps, said that with McElvene and Cunningham UD was a top 10 team. But even without them, they are the best team in the A10.
Throw in the Kostas as long as we are dreaming. Yes, that is a dangerous team. Still, we are an 8 seed with all the injuries and unfortunate circumstances? Wow.
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Old 02-04-2017, 07:41 PM
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I live in Chicago, Kaplan hosts a nightly sports show. They were discussing Illinois and John Groce, who he says is almost certainly fired. He said that they (and he) would love to get AM but not sure it would happen. Kaplan has complimented our program on numerous occasions and knows how great the UD Arena is having broadcast there a number of times.

We get a lot of Chicago talent and it really frustrates that local media who want to see them go to Illinois and DePaul to help build up those once great programs. It really is sad how bad college hoops are here and Northwestern in the NCAA is a dream for so many of the media who are dying to have something positive to write about as far as college hoops go.
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Originally Posted by Go-UD-Go View Post
London Warren took a while to settle down and become a great asset on the court. I remember cringing a lot whenever he handled the ball in his first two seasons. I think Crosby can become a decent point guard, although I often wish he were developing faster.

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In all fairness, London Warren didn't really have a great prototype PG or a great coach to learn from. JC has both and you would think he would slow down his game and give top priority into getting others into the offense than trying to always do it by himself.
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I really really wish people would stop comparing London and Crosby like this. There is zero comparison. While London played way too fast at times, he had
Lots of times of very functional offense and brought it big time on D.

Crosby has no defense and continues to: 1. dribble at shoulder level 2. get up in the air with nowhere to go 3.carry the ball 4. Play way too fast 5. Play with too much pizazz always making the simple difficult.

The worst thing about his game is he has zero PG instincts. I will be totally suprised if he is on the team next year. Gotta believe Archie is looking all over for a serviceable Juco PG for next year. Really sad too as Crosby seems like a super nice kid. I sure hope I'm wrong about his chances.
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Did you watch the first 2 years London played? Very similar to Crosby and his A/T ratio was worse. I think you would be shocked to see how comparable their numbers are through 2 seasons.
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London did struggle his first two years. Remember thinking he was a turnover waiting to happen. But even though erratic, he was fun to watch his last two years. He became the master of the three-quarter-court alley-oop to Chris Wright. He never failed to bring out this familiar reaction : NoooooooooooooooooooooYesssssssssssssssssssssssss! !!!
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I can't figure out Tray Landers....He does not seem to have little jumping ability. At least he is a freshman.
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I can't figure out Tray Landers....He does not seem to have little jumping ability. At least he is a freshman.
Trey will be a fine player. He is obviously VERY athletic and that is what he is bringing now. The game needs to come to him. He simply is trying to do a bit too much. His turnovers were a result of going too hard versus too lazy. I can deal with that.

He is much better moving on defense than at the beginning of the year. I will go with my gut and say that he will be an impact player next season. The thing I like about him is that he is where he is supposed to be on offense and defense and is attempting to do what he should be doing versus some that at this point in their career were simply lost on each end of the court. I noticed him with a high post flash against the zone, ala Charles Little, he didn't get the ball but it was the exact spot that a player needed to be. I don't see the other players directing him on the floor when some of the time our veteran players are being told by upperclassmen where they need to be on the floor.

Trey is a guy that is the difference between expectations and reality. In reality, he is where he is supposed to be...along with where a typical freshman is. The expectation is that freshman are going to walk in and be productive. Unless there is a need for you on the court or a depth issue on the roster, it isn't going to happen. We are not thin at his position, and due to his leaping and strength, he will see a lot of time at the undersized 4 position.
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For very long stretches - OK, maybe for a 40-minute stretch - Duquesne looked like the first five guys to make free throws at the rec center to get the next game. They looked so selfish: lots of standing on offense and defense, the guy with the ball doing everything, etc. Yikes.
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I just can't make up my mind about Crosby but, unless someone else comes on the scene, he is out point guard for next year and beyond. He has a lot of energy if nothing else.

Crosby is truly a work in progress and I am not sure that he gets it or understands the point guard position. I assume that the coaching staff and Crosby review game films, and see how Scoochie controls the ball and runs the office. Yesterday with a huge lead toward the end, Crosby is racing up the court instead of using up the clock. But for that matter, Kyle and DD, were doing that also. Crosby did get a little practice in at the end when Duquesne was practicing it's full court press.

If I remember, Warren played great defense but no offense and teams would actually leave him unguarded because he would not shoot. Crosby will shoot from anywhere.
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I just can't make up my mind about Crosby but, unless someone else comes on the scene, he is out point guard for next year and beyond. He has a lot of energy if nothing else.

Crosby is truly a work in progress and I am not sure that he gets it or understands the point guard position. I assume that the coaching staff and Crosby review game films, and see how Scoochie controls the ball and runs the office. Yesterday with a huge lead toward the end, Crosby is racing up the court instead of using up the clock. But for that matter, Kyle and DD, were doing that also. Crosby did get a little practice in at the end when Duquesne was practicing it's full court press.

If I remember, Warren played great defense but no offense and teams would actually leave him unguarded because he would not shoot. Crosby will shoot from anywhere.
Re not running clock out. Are you sure that wasn't when they were purposely trying to set up a sentimental shot for Gruden?
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Landers looked like some of the lights were going on yesterday, even if a couple of times he was a deer in headlights. He moved well, ran the offense and mostly played good defense. One good characteristic he has is that he goes to the basket strong and fast like Kyle.
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Count me in the corner of Starting DD over Kyle the rest of the year. DD has had a better stroke since starting and Kyle brings EXACTLY what you need off the bench, spark and immediate intensity. Time to switch their roles. Kyle should still get the most minutes and be in at the end of games, but its time for Darrell to start the rest of the way, and with Kyle being 100% yesterday and being the 6th man, i think he will.
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Nice to win big and get some guys a bit of rest. Unfortunately, Scoochie didn't get as much as he should have. Even with the huge lead, I cringed every time Crosby was in the game. He just doesn't execute the offense. What was generally crisp and smooth when Scoochie was in turned into a bunch of guys standing around and eventually Crosby trying to drive the hole. Hard to say but can't believe he's not getting it yet.

Great start by Mikesell getting those easy buckets around the rim. Duquesne is not good but you still gotta put the rock in the hole and he did that with 8 easy first half points.

Great all-around team effort today. Lots of contributors, good rebounding.

Final thought...I know many people think Cooke is our best player and most likely to make a NBA roster, but the more I watch Scoochie, I think he could have a shot. Maybe not to be drafted, but via the Brian Roberts route. Play a couple years in Europe, maybe D league? He can drive, finish, has a decent outside shot.
i learned a VERY long time ago not to doubt Scoochie,Kendall and Kyle. On the court or in another walk of life these guys will be successful.

Could you imagine Kendall dominating a Powerpoint presentation and at the end flexing and letting out a primal scream? Or Kyle walking up to a competitor in his place of employment, stealing his stapler and staring at him with disdain and condescension as he walks back to his office?
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Count me in the corner of Starting DD over Kyle the rest of the year. DD has had a better stroke since starting and Kyle brings EXACTLY what you need off the bench, spark and immediate intensity. Time to switch their roles. Kyle should still get the most minutes and be in at the end of games, but its time for Darrell to start the rest of the way, and with Kyle being 100% yesterday and being the 6th man, i think he will.
I like having a 6th man who creates change. Vee did this for us. KD does too. As you state, he'll be there at end of game. The 4 seniors (+X) were in the game when Archie wanted to regain control towards the end of the first half.
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Count me in the corner of Starting DD over Kyle the rest of the year. DD has had a better stroke since starting and Kyle brings EXACTLY what you need off the bench, spark and immediate intensity. Time to switch their roles. Kyle should still get the most minutes and be in at the end of games, but its time for Darrell to start the rest of the way, and with Kyle being 100% yesterday and being the 6th man, i think he will.
I think the starting role has increased Darrell's confidence level, which he so desperately needed. I would agree with you on this. Not to mention, Darrell's defense has improved markedly. If he can hit some threes early in a game and then have Kyle come in and bring energy on the defensive side, I think that would be a real plus for the team.
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We've been spoiled by having Scoochie as a point guard. I think Crosby will develop into a very acceptable PG. Scoochie is the best PG that we've had since Negele Knight.
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I like having a 6th man who creates change. Vee did this for us. KD does too. As you state, he'll be there at end of game. The 4 seniors (+X) were in the game when Archie wanted to regain control towards the end of the first half.
I like the fact that DD has come full circle -IMO - which gives opposing teams one more element to prepare for, and a host of options Archie can use to his advantage - kinda like getting another King in checkers!

I won't get too giddy until I see the road show in Rhoddy and a slaughtered ram on the alter of the Arena.....but, I really love how the team...total team...is rounding into shape right now...
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If I remember, Warren played great defense but no offense and teams would actually leave him unguarded because he would not shoot. Crosby will shoot from anywhere.
The A10 coaches left him unguarded. In the NIT finals, Roy Williams decided to guard him to about 16 foot. This opened up the inside and to UD winning the NIT Championship over NC.
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Thought it interesting that whoever the color commentator was, Tim Welsh perhaps, said that with McElvene and Cunningham UD was a top 10 team. But even without them, they are the best team in the A10.
The inside physical presence and size is the missing ingredient for this team when we talk about cracking the top 20 this year. I really loved McElvene. He was on track to be a dominating center for us. On top of the human tragedy, a whole dimension to the team was taken away with his passing and the injury to Cunningham.
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Landers looked like some of the lights were going on yesterday, even if a couple of times he was a deer in headlights. He moved well, ran the offense and mostly played good defense. One good characteristic he has is that he goes to the basket strong and fast like Kyle.
Good game for Trey. You can tell the stage is not too big for him. He is dying to make a contribution. He just needs minutes on the court for the game to slow down for him a bit.
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That is beyond "standing around". The DU fans were beyond dismayed and disgusted by the Dukes ineptitude and disappointed at the poor turnout. HELLO! Start winning and they will come. The amazing thing is that even in Dayton's lean years, our fans still came in droves.
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In a blowout, perhaps the biggest thing I saw on Saturday, if it is a sign of things to come down the stretch, is Darryl Davis taking the ball to the rim twice, despite a clogged lane and going up strong (and I believe finishing thru some limited contact both times). Darryl has shied away from contact so many times in the past that its impacted his game. He's always been a skinny, lanky kid; in HS it probably didn't matter as he was likely taller than most and more athletic than most, but in college, at least so far, you can see him rush shots anytime he's around the rim and there is the threat of contact.

If that is a development that holds down the stretch, its going to improve his offensive game a ton.
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I may be wrong but I think the Dukes will be better not long after the next coaching change. The announcers were dredging the pond for something good to say about the effort and scheme. They appeared to be in a pick up game at the Y.
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I may be wrong but I think the Dukes will be better not long after the next coaching change. The announcers were dredging the pond for something good to say about the effort and scheme. They appeared to be in a pick up game at the Y.
I agree Duq looks to be in line for a coaching change. Remember that formed UD associate AD Dave Harper is now the AD at Duquesne. I doubt he will consider any UD assistant, but it will be interesting to see what direction Harper goes.
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I may be wrong but I think the Dukes will be better not long after the next coaching change. The announcers were dredging the pond for something good to say about the effort and scheme. They appeared to be in a pick up game at the Y.
based on hat i thought i heard, the Dukes' coach will get a little more time. it sounds like they lost about 3/4 of their minutes, scoring, rebounding, etc. not sure of the circumstances but either due to transfers or to youth i would think the school understood the issues this season.
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based on hat i thought i heard, the Dukes' coach will get a little more time. it sounds like they lost about 3/4 of their minutes, scoring, rebounding, etc. not sure of the circumstances but either due to transfers or to youth i would think the school understood the issues this season.
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