What's going on? ( to paraphrase Marvin Gaye)

[UDan71]

i'm becoming concerned about Archie's ability to close the deal with recruits. A. Griffin seems to do a pretty good job of scouring the bushes for potential talent but we can't seem to get people on the dotted line. And where do Ostrom and Kulick fit into the recruiting? I really don't see their names being mentioned in all the recruiting commentary. In my estimation, this is a critical year for UD recruiting to keep pace with the rest of the A10. It appears like we're going to end up with vacancies or dregs.

I sure hope Archie has some surprises up his sleeve, because I'm starting to get very nervous about who we're going to be able to eventually bring in for next year. The competition keeps getting better and we seem to be stuck in the mud (Thomas gone, questions about Scott's elegibility). Fire up the beads, Rita.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Archie has been on the job for barely a year. Many recruits are courted for longer than a year by a particular coach or program, in some case as many as 3 years. Some may be a bit gun shy to be the first one or two to commit, etc.

Plus, I think AM & assistants might be shooting for a tad higher level recruit in a few cases than what we tried for in the past.

My opinion, this thread and your worry is at least 2, if not 3 or 4 years premature.

[San Diego Flyer]

You may very well be right, but if you are, I wouldn't want to be Arch for those years around here. He still has time and scholarships to fill some holes and offer immediate hope.

[Sea Bass]

or to quote Taggart - what in the wide wide world of sports is going on here?

[LI Flyer]

I just don't know? Ever since Nick Stafford it seems as if we hear so much hype about an incoming transfer and then reality sets in. Since Nick the only individual who has demonstrated any degree of excellence has been K. Dillard. Josh Parker filled a role. Mickey Perry did less than Josh and London Warren's alter ego definitely filled some voids. Others such as Codiero just seemed misplaced. But outside of Kevin we haven't really witnessed any true dividends with transfer players.

Some might argue that we are now picking up a high caliber of transfer Sanford (Georgetown) Derenbacker (LSU) and now maybe Siebert (OSU). Only time will tell. I tend to be an old fashion in that my preference is to get a LaDontae Henton and keep him for three or four years. That philosophy might be passe but it is what I believe.

At present like many Flyer Fans I'm scared and unsure of the future. A look at our recruit list doesn't differ much from Charlotte's, Richmond's or any other team (exclude X and perhaps Temple) in the A-10. For once I'd love to see one, just one PTP. In the interim I'll keep dreaming.

	London Warren LONDON WARREN 6-0 185lb Junior Raines, HS | Jacksonville FL Nicknamed the "Jacksonville Jet", London Warren is perhaps UD's quickest player baseline to baseline. Leader in steals defensively, he likes to push tempo on offense. Working on his shot and confidence at the charity stripe. 2007-08 | 4.3ppg 2.9rpg 2006-07 | 2.4ppg 1.7rpg

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[FlyingArrow]

LI Flyer: I don't know your threshold for a PTP, but I think we already have two. Dillard is an odds-on favorite for A-10 1st team next year. Derenbecker was a top-100 recruit out of high school - who transferred (allegedly) due to his social/academic life balance, not due to anything on the basketball court. If Jordan Sibert comes here, he'd be another top-100 recruit out of high school.

Still, it would be nice to land them right out of high school instead of after transferring.

[Fudd]

Seems like there are not many leaks on any of the info about what is happening lately. The few "in the know" are keeping their mouths shut and the fans have their heads spinning with the volatility of the reports/rumors lately. I hope it all turns out for the better.

[Flyer69ers]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow LI Flyer: I don't know your threshold for a PTP, but I think we already have two. Dillard is an odds-on favorite for A-10 1st team next year. Derenbecker was a top-100 recruit out of high school - who transferred (allegedly) due to his social/academic life balance, not due to anything on the basketball court. If Jordan Sibert comes here, he'd be another top-100 recruit out of high school. Still, it would be nice to land them right out of high school instead of after transferring.

Also getting Vee Sanford from Georgetown was called "a feather in Miller's cap" by CBS Sports.
I understand he can also be a backup point guard, if need be.

[Bat'71]

IMO, AM has done a fine job thus far in attracting some quality kids to the program. ClaytonFlyer has the right perspective, it takes some time to develop rapport with players and Archie had a late start and has a thin resume as a Head Coach. While AM and his staff appear to have built solid relationships with many High School and AAU coaches around the country over the years as assistants, selling kids on his coaching philosophy and methods as a Head Coach can take a little time. We will need to be a little patient, but AM appears to be on the right track and we still have some time yet before next season; look what he accomplished last year.

[Tony T 71]

No matter how good you think a recruit is it's still a crap shoot. I have to believe we will sign a point guard before the season

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by LI Flyer I just don't know? Ever since Nick Stafford it seems as if we hear so much hype about an incoming transfer and then reality sets in. Since Nick the only individual who has demonstrated any degree of excellence has been K. Dillard.

Nick Stafford was not a transfer.

[Gazoo]

Can we keep some perspective??

If 12 months ago when AM was hired most people here had been asked about recruiting, most would have said "a drop off for the first year or 2 as he builds his own pipeline, kicks out the ones he didn't want, and builds his system."

Now we're in the middle of exactly that and it's a crisis of confidence? This doesn't shake my confidence, this is just part of the plan. Had he signed all these guys it would have been overachievement vs. plan which is great but there's no panic yet.

[UDBrian]

I"m not concerned at this point. We appear to have picked up three quality transfers in the past year with two athletic bigs coming in. I would prefer to build with high school recruits but this is how xavier built their program.

Who knows, we might have someone fall into our lap for point guard. I would rather have a short roster than to be signing guys that won't take us higher than we are right now. Archie said that he would never do that.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Alberto Strasse]

Some major negative news is coming from the program affecting next year's edition of the UD Flyers. The roster is undergoing revision as we speak. When things are not set at this time of year it can create serious disruption on the court during the season. It took the program some time to recover from the Trent Meachum debacle.

[BallgameJohnny]

The talent on the court next year will be %100 better then this past year.

[DallasFlyer]

Does anyone else find it odd that no former UD player is discussed and debated more than a kid who played one year before transferring to Illinois? Someone awhile back who was disappointed with our lack of NCAA tourney success over the years compared UD to the Cubs. Meacham is our Bartman except Meacham is to blame for multiple years of futility. He's like the goat. I feel like some people think there is a curse. I'm not taking issue with Alberto or anything, but I just wonder how it is he finds his way into so many conversations.

[LI Flyer]

Originally Posted by Flyer69ers Also getting Vee Sanford from Georgetown was called "a feather in Miller's cap" by CBS Sports. I understand he can also be a backup point guard, if need be.

After Vee Sanford's sophomore year at Georgetown: "Sanford, a 6'3'' guard originally from Lexington, KY, saw action in 27 games this past season and averaged 2.4 points, and 0.9 rebounds in 6.6 minutes of play a game."

Again I don't know how good this young man might be or could be but stats do tell a tale (maybe not a complete one). However, Vee is not the type of PTP that I alluded to in an earlier post.

[UD Sam]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Does anyone else find it odd that no former UD player is discussed and debated more than a kid who played one year before transferring to Illinois? Someone awhile back who was disappointed with our lack of NCAA tourney success over the years compared UD to the Cubs. Meacham is our Bartman except Meacham is to blame for multiple years of futility. He's like the goat. I feel like some people think there is a curse. I'm not taking issue with Alberto or anything, but I just wonder how it is he finds his way into so many conversations.

The reason that Meacham is brought up is because he announced that he was leaving in late June. At that late date there weren't many options to replace him. And, as we know, the PG is the most important position on a team.

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by BallgameJohnny The talent on the court next year will be %100 better then this past year.

I don't know about 100%, but I think we are going to see a talent upgrade.

Nothing against PW or JP - they were solid contributors to the team. But they shouldn't be hard to replace at the two-guard, even at this late date. Neither of them were all-stars, and replacing their productivity should happen. Sanford should be able to fill the shoes of one of them. Replacing the other with a freshman will be a big loss in experience so we may see a drop there, but not too huge of a drop. It would be good to have a couple of options there if possible.

Fabrizius played a good role, but wasn't an impact player for us. Adding Benson and the two freshmen in the post will more than make up for the loss of Fabrizius.

Will Derenbecker or Oliver replace CJ? That's where I'm doubtful. Derenbecker will bring a different skill set from CJ and do good things, but I think we'll miss CJ quite a bit at least this year.

And the loss of JP's point-guard minutes? Right now, that's a glaring hole. I have to believe that we'll get somebody to fill those minutes. JP wasn't exactly a stellar PG backup. He was our best option there, but replacing those minutes shouldn't be hard either.

Overall... we aren't going to see any drop off at PG, we'll only a slight drop at SG, perhaps a bigger drop at SF, but we get a huge boost in the post compared to last year. Net positive, even if we just get two more guard recruits that don't do much more than provide stop-gap backup minutes behind Dillard and Vee. But hopefully we get two more guard recruits that we're excited about and can push Dillard and Vee pretty hard and be solid starters in future years.

[hoch21]

Our starting 5 is fine, if V or KD get into foul trouble or worse hurt we are in serious poo. Good thing is I relly think UD will get a good pg very soon.
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by LI Flyer However, Vee is not the type of PTP that I alluded to in an earlier post.

IMO, it is premature to judge the transfers, and incoming freshmen also, before fans have seen them play. Gavrilovic is the only Miller recruit that fans have seen play, so I don't think fans can say with certainty what quality of players Miller is bringing in, or how the players will do under Miller's coaching.

I mean, who was expecting Dillard to be as good as he has been?

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow I don't know about 100%, but I think we are going to see a talent upgrade. Nothing against PW or JP - they were solid contributors to the team. But they shouldn't be hard to replace at the two-guard, even at this late date. Neither of them were all-stars, and replacing their productivity should happen. Sanford should be able to fill the shoes of one of them. Replacing the other with a freshman will be a big loss in experience so we may see a drop there, but not too huge of a drop. It would be good to have a couple of options there if possible. Fabrizius played a good role, but wasn't an impact player for us. Adding Benson and the two freshmen in the post will more than make up for the loss of Fabrizius. Will Derenbecker or Oliver replace CJ? That's where I'm doubtful. Derenbecker will bring a different skill set from CJ and do good things, but I think we'll miss CJ quite a bit at least this year. And the loss of JP's point-guard minutes? Right now, that's a glaring hole. I have to believe that we'll get somebody to fill those minutes. JP wasn't exactly a stellar PG backup. He was our best option there, but replacing those minutes shouldn't be hard either. Overall... we aren't going to see any drop off at PG, we'll only a slight drop at SG, perhaps a bigger drop at SF, but we get a huge boost in the post compared to last year. Net positive, even if we just get two more guard recruits that don't do much more than provide stop-gap backup minutes behind Dillard and Vee. But hopefully we get two more guard recruits that we're excited about and can push Dillard and Vee pretty hard and be solid starters in future years.

Same thing, I think it's too early to stay whether the transfers and freshmen are going to be better or worse than the guys that they are replacing.

These guys may be great or not so great. I think the mystery of it is interesting.

[vfly]

Originally Posted by LI Flyer After Vee Sanford's sophomore year at Georgetown: "Sanford, a 6'3'' guard originally from Lexington, KY, saw action in 27 games this past season and averaged 2.4 points, and 0.9 rebounds in 6.6 minutes of play a game." Again I don't know how good this young man might be or could be but stats do tell a tale (maybe not a complete one). However, Vee is not the type of PTP that I alluded to in an earlier post.

I'm not sure stats from a different team/system mean a whole lot. But if you want to look for a positive, extrapolate those out. If he plays 33 minutes a game for us then he should average 12 and 4.5. A bit under CJ, but he may have more freedom to create in our system.

IMHO, we get another PG/CG and Vee plays mostly SG.

[San Diego Flyer]

It would be interesting to know CJ and Paul's take on Derenbecker and Sanford. We knew in 2010/11 that in practice Dillard was carving up Staten, giving him a dose of insecurity. JD's future impact was looked upon with great anticipation.

Does anyone have direct knowledge as to the practice impact of our new transfers?

[Flyer 86]

Originally Posted by LI Flyer After Vee Sanford's sophomore year at Georgetown: "Sanford, a 6'3'' guard originally from Lexington, KY, saw action in 27 games this past season and averaged 2.4 points, and 0.9 rebounds in 6.6 minutes of play a game." Again I don't know how good this young man might be or could be but stats do tell a tale (maybe not a complete one). However, Vee is not the type of PTP that I alluded to in an earlier post.

There many good players LI who get stuck on the depth chart. It's just reality. He really didn't get minutes there, adn from what we can read not a matter of effort or talent. But isn't getting a player from a BCS level team saying something as compared to a Junior College (Thiago Cordeiro or Lowery) like 3 steps up?

So as in all these recruits and transfers... time will tell.

The risk def outweighs the benefits in all these cases. Derenbeck, Dillard, Sanford. All transfers from top level teams.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow Will Derenbecker or Oliver replace CJ? That's where I'm doubtful. Derenbecker will bring a different skill set from CJ and do good things, but I think we'll miss CJ quite a bit at least this year.

I am actually pretty confident that Derenbecker and Oliver can replace CJ. I watched some footage of Derenbecker at LSU and was very impressed with what he did against good competition. And I read somewhere that Josh Parker said he would be surprised if Derenbecker didn't lead the team in scoring next year. Josh knows the team far better than I and for him to say that is significant. With the way Oliver came on late in the year, and his rebounding ability, I think those two can absolutely make up for CJ's loss. For me, the questions are all in the backcourt where besides Dillard, there is little depth and a still unproven Vee.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer It would be interesting to know CJ and Paul's take on Derenbecker and Sanford. We knew in 2010/11 that in practice Dillard was carving up Staten, giving him a dose of insecurity. JD's future impact was looked upon with great anticipation. Does anyone have direct knowledge as to the practice impact of our new transfers?

In addition to what Parker said about Derenbecker (paraphrased above), I believe he also said something about Vee. Something to the effect of Vee being the guard best suited to playing alongside Dillard out of everyone on the roster. What he meant exactly, I am unsure. But it sounded like he was impressed with Vee AND Derenbecker.

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by UDBrian I would prefer to build with high school recruits but this is how xavier built their program.

This is not really true at all.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by XFactor This is not really true at all.

I am still puzzled why X fans feel the need to monitor our board.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan I am still puzzled why X fans feel the need to monitor our board.

Two more buckets at the right time this season and we would never have heard from them again.

[UD90]

Originally Posted by BallgameJohnny The talent on the court next year will be %100 better then this past year.

And we base this on ...?

We lost 4 seniors (Williams, Fabrizius, Parker, and Chris Johnson), 3 of which won 94 games in their careers.

Now, I agree that 3 of these players were more of role players, but as far as "known entities" - the only upgrade we have SEEN that will be back is Benson.

Our rebounding went down with the graduation of Chris Wright and Marcus Johnson and I expect it will suffer again with the loss of Chris Johnson. Benson back at full strength should help and I expect that the players will improve in the off season within this system.

I expect we will look more talented in several areas, but I question if we will have as much success on the perimeter as we did this year.

I hope Sanford and Derenbecker live up to the hype. I do believe we will look better with another year in Archie's system, but I can only hope that the new additions are better than what we lost. I can't say until we see them play.

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan I am still puzzled why X fans feel the need to monitor our board.

Looking over their shoulder, hearing footsteps.

Mack took a top 15 program predicted to be a final four team and barely made it into the NCAA tournament. Dayton choked in the final minutes of play as did ND allowing X to get to the sweet 16. In my personal opinion Mack is not made from the same pedigree as his predecessors and will falter. His success was in having a couple top transfers land in his lap.

Archie inherited a team with two players transferring out, two recruits reneging on their commitments and the loss of Benson and yet came within a couple points in dethroning X, won 20 games and despite the loss of JT has a very good nucleus coming in next year.

Bottom line Archie achieved more with far less and Mack achieved far less with a lot more. Future, advantage Archie and Dayton.

[Glen Clark]

UD90 - one intangible: next years team will have one more year of Archie Miller at the helm and be one year further removed from Brian Gregory's offensive sets.

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	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[Alberto Strasse]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Does anyone else find it odd that no former UD player is discussed and debated more than a kid who played one year before transferring to Illinois? Someone awhile back who was disappointed with our lack of NCAA tourney success over the years compared UD to the Cubs. Meacham is our Bartman except Meacham is to blame for multiple years of futility. He's like the goat. I feel like some people think there is a curse. I'm not taking issue with Alberto or anything, but I just wonder how it is he finds his way into so many conversations.

It was when Trent Meachum left the program that took UD 18-24 months to recover from.

[bcross]

Originally Posted by LI Flyer I just don't know? Ever since Nick Stafford it seems as if we hear so much hype about an incoming transfer and then reality sets in. Since Nick the only individual who has demonstrated any degree of excellence has been K. Dillard. Josh Parker filled a role. Mickey Perry did less than Josh and London Warren's alter ego definitely filled some voids. Others such as Codiero just seemed misplaced. But outside of Kevin we haven't really witnessed any true dividends with transfer players. Some might argue that we are now picking up a high caliber of transfer Sanford (Georgetown) Derenbacker (LSU) and now maybe Siebert (OSU). Only time will tell. I tend to be an old fashion in that my preference is to get a LaDontae Henton and keep him for three or four years. That philosophy might be passe but it is what I believe. .

Dillard, Parker, and Perry were the only D1 transfers in that group, the rest were JUCO's. So an all-A10 caliber PG, solid role player, and a bust. Not a big sample size, but it's really not a whole lot different from our success with true freshman.

Right now though, it's really not about which is the better option. We have open scholarships, and we need guys that can play.

	London Warren LONDON WARREN 6-0 185lb Junior Raines, HS | Jacksonville FL Nicknamed the "Jacksonville Jet", London Warren is perhaps UD's quickest player baseline to baseline. Leader in steals defensively, he likes to push tempo on offense. Working on his shot and confidence at the charity stripe. 2007-08 | 4.3ppg 2.9rpg 2006-07 | 2.4ppg 1.7rpg

[Hobopotamus1]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer It would be interesting to know CJ and Paul's take on Derenbecker and Sanford. We knew in 2010/11 that in practice Dillard was carving up Staten, giving him a dose of insecurity. JD's future impact was looked upon with great anticipation. Does anyone have direct knowledge as to the practice impact of our new transfers?

Archie said on his TV show that Vee was the best offensive player in practice this year.

[Hobopotamus1]

I'm just surprised that people aren't more nervous about next year. It looks like we have a grand total of two guards available for next year (KD and Vee). Am I missing someone?

Also, under these circumstances, shouldn'[t it be easy to attract a great guard or two?

[San Diego Flyer]

I'm nervous. Perspiring. Anxiously awaiting some announcements that I feel are sure to come. We need depth at guard, and both Northland twins to be eligible and give us minutes.
Or it's another year where one or two injuries has us looking at 2013/14.

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by Hobopotamus1 I'm just surprised that people aren't more nervous about next year. It looks like we have a grand total of two guards available for next year (KD and Vee). Am I missing someone? Also, under these circumstances, shouldn'[t it be easy to attract a great guard or two?

I'm very nervous about next year, if we don't get a pg. If we go into next year with only Dillard, we are in serious serious trouble.

[SideshowBob]

Originally Posted by Hobopotamus1 Archie said on his TV show that Vee was the best offensive player in practice this year.

I hadn't heard him say that. It's somewhat comforting. But we absolutely need more guards on the team. We need a back-up for both Dillard and Vee. If we have an injury at one of the guard positions we are instantly hurting big-time for the season.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Hobopotamus1 I'm just surprised that people aren't more nervous about next year. It looks like we have a grand total of two guards available for next year (KD and Vee). Am I missing someone? Also, under these circumstances, shouldn'[t it be easy to attract a great guard or two?

There is still time to bring in a JUCO or player(s) from the class of 2012. The late signing period only began today.

Originally Posted by SideshowBob I hadn't heard him say that. It's somewhat comforting. But we absolutely need more guards on the team. We need a back-up for both Dillard and Vee. If we have an injury at one of the guard positions we are instantly hurting big-time for the season.

I do think it is strange that last year Archie did not recruit a shooting guard from the class of 2012 in the early signing period.

I do believe the 2012-2013 team has tournament potential, even if Benson is not 100%, Gavrilovich and the freshmen should be able to provide some support.

[UD Sam]

Based on comments Archie has made, I feel more confident that Derenbecker and Sanford will contribute next year. It looks like Sanford will be an improvement over JP based on his ability to score, and Derenbecker will play with great effort and enthusiasm and prides himself on his lock down defense. Below are some quotes from AM, Derenbecker, and Sanford from a Doug Harris article in December.

Derenbecker: “Even when I was on the bench at LSU, when I was in foul trouble or getting a break, I was always cheering my team on, always up. I don’t know how you can come into an arena like UD Arena and have 13,000 screaming fans and sit on the bench and not feed off that.”

"The former two-time Gatorade player of the year in Louisiana and Vee Sanford, a Georgetown transfer, give the UD starters fits during individual drills and while playing on the scout team."

Archie: "Derenbecker’s awesome in practice. He’s the ultimate competitor. The thing I love about him is he’s a basketball player, he’s not a specialist. He’s 6-7. He passes it. He’s got savvy. ... I think he’ll have a three-year run with us where he’ll be an integral part of the team.”

"I play hard defense. That’s something I really like to do — guard the best player said Derenbecker. Whenever Flyer fans see me play, they’re going to see me locking down the best players.”

Miller is excited over what Sanford will bring at the offensive end, too.
“Having him next year hit the floor running, not to say he’ll be a great player early because he’ll have to work through his bumps, but he’s as talented a guard as we have scoring the ball. He can really shoot. He can really play off the dribble. And as a scorer, he’s a guy who’s going to be able to give us double figures — easy.”

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/sp...n-1298668.html

We could start the season a bit slower next year as players get used to playing together in a game atmosphere, but I expect they will continue to improve as the season goes on.

[San Diego Flyer]

Great post Sam. That gives off a warm fuzzy feeling about our transfers. Coach didn't mince words.

[Flyer69ers]

Originally Posted by LI Flyer After Vee Sanford's sophomore year at Georgetown: "Sanford, a 6'3'' guard originally from Lexington, KY, saw action in 27 games this past season and averaged 2.4 points, and 0.9 rebounds in 6.6 minutes of play a game." Again I don't know how good this young man might be or could be but stats do tell a tale (maybe not a complete one). However, Vee is not the type of PTP that I alluded to in an earlier post.

I was just saying that as a High School player he was ranked 30th nationally for point guards by Scout.com. Don't think he got to use it at Georgetown, but those skills may come in handy for us next year.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by LI Flyer After Vee Sanford's sophomore year at Georgetown: "Sanford, a 6'3'' guard originally from Lexington, KY, saw action in 27 games this past season and averaged 2.4 points, and 0.9 rebounds in 6.6 minutes of play a game." Again I don't know how good this young man might be or could be but stats do tell a tale (maybe not a complete one).

I'm hoping Vee's numbers will be similar to Moser's when he transferred to UNLV from UCLA

UCLA: 15 games, 0.6 points and 0.4 rebounds per game in 4.7 minutes per game

UNLV: 31 games, 14 points and 10.5 rebounds per game in 31.4 minutes per game (+ Mountain West player of the Year, Wooden Award mid-season top 25 watch, projected 2nd round NBA pick if he would have entered)

[UD Sam]

One of my goals is to save Priders $$ on anti-anxiety pills and spirits, so I looked up Sanford's shooting stats during his last season at Georgetown (2010-2011) to see if he is as good as Archie stated. And it looks like he is. Sanford averaged 6.4 minutes/game that year.

FG: 52% (24/46)
3 Pt: 60% (12/20)
FT: 100% (6/6)

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by UD Sam One of my goals is to save Priders $$ on anti-anxiety pills and spirits, so I looked up Sanford's shooting stats during his last season at Georgetown (2010-2011) to see if he is as good as Archie stated. And it looks like he is. Sanford averaged 6.4 minutes/game that year. FG: 52% (24/46) 3 Pt: 60% (12/20) FT: 100% (6/6)

Multiply those numbers by 5 (33 min/game) and they look pretty nice:

FG: 52% (120/230)
3 Pt: 60% (60/100)
FT: 100% (30/30) - roughly 12 point a game.

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