Worst Losses in Last 15 Years for UD

[ruechalgrin]

Today's loss was the worst loss in the last 15 years (since kenpom started in 2002). Dayton has only lost 7 games to teams rated 200+ in 15 years and only lost 17 games to teams rated 150+ in 15 years.

#1 = Dayton at LaSalle 2016, losing to #266 (Archie)
#2 = Duquense at Dayton 2005, losing to #256 (BG)
#3 = Dayton at Richmond 2006, losing to #245 (BG)
#4 = Dayton at Duquense 2007, losing to #213 (BG)
#5 = RI at Dayton 2012, losing to #209 (Archie)
#6 = Dayton at Duquesne 2015, losing to #207 (Archie)
#7 = Dayton at Miami (OH) 2012, losing to #201 (Archie)
#8 = Dayton at RI 2013, losing to #193 (Archie)
#9 = Dayton at Umass 2011, losing to #192 (BG)
#10 = Dayton at SMU 2007, losing to #180 (BG)
#11 = Dayton at GW 2008, losing to #169 (BG)
#12 = Dayton at GW 2011, losing to #165 (BG)
#13 = Dayton at Richmond 2005, losing to #164 (BG)
#14 = USC at Dayton 2014, losing to #163 (Archie)
#15 = Dayton at St. Joe's 2010, losing to #160 (BG)
#16 = Dayton at Charlotte 2007, losing to #156 (BG)
#17 = RI at Dayton 2006, losing to #151 (BG)

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[San Diego Flyer]

It will all be forgiven when we sweep the next two.

[Buster Goode]

Not for me. This was inexcusable in my book. LaSalle is terrible.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[anthonycharles]

And it felt like the worst loss too. This was your typical ranked Dayton Flyer basketball team. They go out and lay a huge egg. This was a bad LaSalle team we lost to.

It is these types of games that concern me in terms of losing Archie, not what the Title IX office does or doesn't do. We have to go play some low budget University, in some high school gym, who has a terrible RPI and we lose. This is when being in the A-10 really hurts us. I'm hoping for a day we can be in a conference that at least we don't have to watch some low budget telecast online, announced by low budget homer announcers in a HS gym.

This was a terrible loss.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[kiefaber455]

Originally Posted by anthonycharles And it felt like the worst loss too. This was your typical ranked Dayton Flyer basketball team. They go out and lay a huge egg. This was a bad LaSalle team we lost to. It is these types of games that concern me in terms of losing Archie, not what the Title IX office does or doesn't do. We have to go play some low budget University, in some high school gym, who has a terrible RPI and we lose. This is when being in the A-10 really hurts us. I'm hoping for a day we can be in a conference that at least we don't have to watch some low budget telecast online, announced by low budget homer announcers in a HS gym. This was a terrible loss.

Not sure that day is coming any time soon

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by anthonycharles And it felt like the worst loss too. This was your typical ranked Dayton Flyer basketball team. They go out and lay a huge egg. This was a bad LaSalle team we lost to. It is these types of games that concern me in terms of losing Archie, not what the Title IX office does or doesn't do. We have to go play some low budget University, in some high school gym, who has a terrible RPI and we lose. This is when being in the A-10 really hurts us. I'm hoping for a day we can be in a conference that at least we don't have to watch some low budget telecast online, announced by low budget homer announcers in a HS gym. This was a terrible loss.

And I suspect, this is why we can't get top teams to do a home and away with us. Why would anyone want to lose to a team like Dayton and then get a double whammy when the Flyers turn around and lose to the bottom feeders of the A10.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[ruechalgrin]

Archie drops to 39-5 versus teams 150+ during his tenure & 25 -3 versus 200+.

[ruechalgrin]

BTW, only 2nd time in the las 15 years Dayton has lost to a team 250+ in kenpom ...

[Alberto Strasse]

proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Kendal Pollard is Dayton's leading candidate for MVP this year. The 25th ranked team in the nation lost to LaSalle without him.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[UD62]

We are what we are, a top 35-50 program. this season we have played exactly 2 good complete games, Alabama and UMASS, most of the rest have been a Chinese fire drill. AM is having the same problem that BG had, getting his players to play a consistent game. Overall AM is having more success, but this program for some reason can't handle being ranked, it has been that way for many years.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[TommyGola]

Both coaches refuse to change up their schemes on either offense or defense, even when a scheme is failing. Sadly, every team will be challenging the defense with dribble drives as the Flyers have proven in more than one game this year that they have no answer.

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Kendal Pollard is Dayton's leading candidate for MVP this year. The 25th ranked team in the nation lost to LaSalle without him.

...but three days ago the 25th ranked team beat UMass by 30 without him, and UMass won at LaSalle one week ago.

See, it all makes perfect sense!

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[UD90]

Every team in the Atlantic 10 should be required to have a facility that seats at least 7500 people. They should have two years to comply.

[T-Bone 84]

Heard some of it. Saw very little of it. Sounds like the strategy was indefensible. When you know what the other team wants to do on offense and you let them do it, that's inexcusable. Sounds like we really had no gameplan on offense, either. Was saying to a friend after Mass tonight that this bad loss was the equivalent of 2-3 "good" losses. Now, instead of a conference record of 12-6 pre-tourney being good enough to make The Dance as an at-large, we might need to go 14-4, or to win in Brooklyn. Not the end of the world, but our worst loss by far in a long, long time.
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[Donniex3Era]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer It will all be forgiven when we sweep the next two.

It better be three...at St Bona

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Heard some of it. Saw very little of it. Sounds like the strategy was indefensible. When you know what the other team wants to do on offense and you let them do it, that's inexcusable. Sounds like we really had no gameplan on offense, either. Was saying to a friend after Mass tonight that this bad loss was the equivalent of 2-3 "good" losses. Now, instead of a conference record of 12-6 pre-tourney being good enough to make The Dance as an at-large, we might need to go 14-4, or to win in Brooklyn. Not the end of the world, but our worst loss by far in a long, long time. Posted via Mobile Device

The big problem is we have very little opportunity to have "great" wins to offset this loss. And this kind of loss probably makes the committee start looking the wins a little closer. That Miami game might look like a loss to them.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 The big problem is we have very little opportunity to have "great" wins to offset this loss. And this kind of loss probably makes the committee start looking the wins a little closer. That Miami game might look like a loss to them.

It felt like a loss to me, and I saw it "up close and personal".
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[SeasonTicketFan]

The data above shows that UD averages at least one bad loss for the last 15 years. These annual bad losses have prevented UD from winning the A10 regular season and makes UD often a close bubble team instead of a lock on Selection Sunday.

Archie talks about winning A10 championships and going to the NCAA every year.

It is apparent that eliminating these bad losses is just important as those signature big wins.

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan The data above shows that UD averages at least one bad loss for the last 15 years. These annual bad losses have prevented UD from winning the A10 regular season and makes UD often a close bubble team instead of a lock on Selection Sunday. Archie talks about winning A10 championships and going to the NCAA every year. It is apparent that eliminating these bad losses is just important as those signature big wins.

SeasonTicketFan, just hate to have the really bad loss with 15 games to go in A-10 play. Leaves very little margin for error the rest of the year.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Sounds like the strategy was indefensible. Posted via Mobile Device

I'm not an expert, but wouldn't have dropping into a zone when they started their offense with 10-12 seconds been a good counter? I'm sure there's at least one knowledgible person that can offer something....

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Jeff I'm not an expert, but wouldn't have dropping into a zone when they started their offense with 10-12 seconds been a good counter? I'm sure there's at least one knowledgible person that can offer something....

Even if it was for a every 5 possessions or so. throw the other team off

[longtimefan]

Throw in some press, some half court trap, some zone, SOMETHING to disrupt that crap they were doing. I was shocked that he didn't make any adjustments at halftime. And reinstate the 5 second call. It is ridiculous to let a guy just dribble around all day when he is being closely guarded. That certainly doesn't fit in with the NCAA's goal to speed up play and increase scoring.

[maddog07]

We don't play zone. So we don't practice it, may not recruit players for it, do not have a strategy to deploy it. Therefore the fix has to be elsewhere. We need to stop our poorer shooters from taking low % shots. See KD. And we have to find a way to get the ball closer to the rim. Perhaps a more up tempo offense.

[marco red eagle]

I heard AM say preseason UD MBB practices zone every practice ... it gives UD options ... one being .... to help Big Steve out so he stays in the game longer.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer It will all be forgiven when we sweep the next two.

No more LaSalle hangover. Two BIG ones at home and no mention of the LaSalle turd by Joe Lundardi after our win last night.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Catman94]

From a committee perspective, it is better to lose to bad teams and beat good teams than vice versa. I don't think we'll be playing a stalling team in a high school gym in the NCAA Tourney any time soon. Now if we lose more on the road against crappy teams, a trend could hurt us but if this is the only hiccup, we are fine.

[longtimefan]

Let's have the entire arena booing when LaSalle does that stalling crap in the return game - and loudly!

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by longtimefan Let's have the entire arena booing when LaSalle does that stalling crap in the return game - and loudly!

How about we get a lead and keep it. Then they won't be able to stall.

[bigred]

A great list, and no doubt the LaSalle loss is one of the worst in the last 15 years.

One thing that is not adjusted for is whether we were playing on the road or at home. We don't need Ken Pomeroy to tell us (as he did in a recent blog post), that beating the no. 25 team at home can be equivalent to beating a no. 75 team on the road. So by that measure (adding 50 points to the opponent's rank for a home loss and subtracting 50 points for a road loss), the 2005 loss to Duquesne would rank as our worst loss.

Also, this list doesn't consider how good the Dayton team was. There were some years in there that we were ranked 100+ in Ken Pom's rankings. So losing to no. 164 Richmond on the road in 2005 (when we finished at 113) wasn't really as bad loss in hindsight.

So, if someone could crunch the numbers (add 50 to appoints for a road loss, subtract 50 for a home loss) and then compute the difference between our opponents adjusted rank and our own, then I think we would have a more accurate list.

Lets not forget that LaSalle did receive a bump in the ranking for beating us, so they could be under 250 by the time the season is done.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Today's loss was the worst loss in the last 15 years (since kenpom started in 2002). Dayton has only lost 7 games to teams rated 200+ in 15 years and only lost 17 games to teams rated 150+ in 15 years . . .

While the La Salle loss may be statistically the worse loss over that time span, it is nowhere close to our worst loss. That would need a banked-in miracle three in St Louis Feb 13, 2010 - a game the Flyers lost in double overtime. That loss led to a 2-5 skid that destroyed any hope for the NCAA bid. That team won an NIT title in fine fashion, but we can only speculate what they could have done in the NCAA.

Other candidates:
Jan 7, 2007 - Jimmy Baron makes a layup with 2 seconds left to beat the Flyers 75-74 at Rhode Island. That Dayton team was 11-3 coming in, but only went 8-8 in conference - no postseason.

March 9, 2012 - the Xavier thugs punked us on the boardwalk 70-69 to send the Fylers to the NIT (but the only guy from that game that's in the NBA now was wearing a Flyer uniform).

The La Salle loss was only a blip on the radar.

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	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.