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Old 08-23-2017, 01:21 PM
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Roster Updates

http://daytonflyers.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

The 5 Newbies now listed:

Jalen Crutcher
6'1" 162

Jordan Davis
6'3" 186

Matej Svoboda
6'7" 212

Obi Toppin
6'8" 195

Jordan Pierce
6'11" 262

Doesn't look like anything else has been updated besides adding the "New Core" to the roster
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MNFats: You just gave me a segway, speaking of pictures; i noticed that the incoming freshman text bio and pictures are still not posted under "roster" on the Dayton Flyer web site. School has started and these guys are here. Please someone ask the web team to update the web page! I noticed that the web team was quick to take Sam Miller's information off the web page.
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Whew - Buckleyma is going to be very relieved to hear this news...
I really hope those few days sooner that Ohio State had their newcomers on their websites roster doesn't cost us any recruits, but it is possible the lack of any pictures being posted yet could really hurt UD in the long run!
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I am worried that we currently have two #12's listed on the roster. Does that mean one can only play defense, and the other offense, like they do in college football?
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Those appear to be last year's weights for the returnees. I was hoping Kostas had cracked 200 pounds by now. Toppin needs to bulk up, too. And I thought Williams was quoted as being 215 and hoping to get to 220 before the start of the season. Still listed at 210. Pierce has Big Steve-type dimensions. Hope he develops likewise ...
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I am worried that we currently have two #12's listed on the roster. Does that mean one can only play defense, and the other offense, like they do in college football?
Remains to be seen whether either number 12 can play defense or offense.

But I think Trey is taking the number 3 jersey that Kyle Davis wore.

Sure would be nice if the new number 3 could play defense like the old number 3 could!
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan View Post
I am worried that we currently have two #12's listed on the roster. Does that mean one can only play defense, and the other offense, like they do in college football?
I recall reading somewhere that Trey would wear #3 this year. They will change
it with the other updated info on the returnees I presume.
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Those appear to be last year's weights for the returnees. I was hoping Kostas had cracked 200 pounds by now. Toppin needs to bulk up, too. And I thought Williams was quoted as being 215 and hoping to get to 220 before the start of the season. Still listed at 210. Pierce has Big Steve-type dimensions. Hope he develops likewise ...
Yeah none of the returnees info has been changed yet
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Those appear to be last year's weights for the returnees. I was hoping Kostas had cracked 200 pounds by now. Toppin needs to bulk up, too. And I thought Williams was quoted as being 215 and hoping to get to 220 before the start of the season. Still listed at 210. Pierce has Big Steve-type dimensions. Hope he develops likewise ...
Toppin was 6'2" as a junior in high school before shooting up six inches. Went to bed a guard and woke up a forward. Just has to fill out that newly expanded frame!
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Imagine this "super athletic" lineup:

D. Davis
Landers
Kostas
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Imagine this "super athletic" lineup:

D. Davis
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Kostas
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Please define 'super athletic'. In my 20+ years as a royal season ticket holder, I'm not sure we've had 5 'super athletic' Flyers. And I predict that at least 1 of your 5 will prove early in the season to be anything but 'super'.
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I predict that at least 1 of your 5 will prove early in the season to be anything but 'super'.
I think you're super wrong on that one. Because you don't have to be super good to be super something.

D. Davis: super perimeter-based game. Takes super long shots.
Landers: super underused last year. Could be super needed this year.
Kostas: super hype. Super long name.
Toppin: super late bloomer who can jump super high.
Williams: turning into a super player. If he's not super good, we are super F'd.
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I think you're super wrong on that one. Because you don't have to be super good to be super something.

D. Davis: super perimeter-based game. Takes super long shots.
Landers: super underused last year. Could be super needed this year.
Kostas: super hype. Super long name.
Toppin: super late bloomer who can jump super high.
Williams: turning into a super player. If he's not super good, we are super F'd.
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I think you're super wrong on that one. Because you don't have to be super good to be super something.

D. Davis: super perimeter-based game. Takes super long shots.
Landers: super underused last year. Could be super needed this year.
Kostas: super hype. Super long name.
Toppin: super late bloomer who can jump super high.
Williams: turning into a super player. If he's not super good, we are super F'd.
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Jordan Pierce
6'11" 262
Big 'un.

With no snark at all, I hope they thoroughly check his heart once he's on campus. Can't that be a SOP for anyone over 6'8" from now on? The cost must be trivial and we can tout it to recruits.
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Big 'un.

With no snark at all, I hope they thoroughly check his heart once he's on campus. Can't that be a SOP for anyone over 6'8" from now on? The cost must be trivial and we can tout it to recruits.
Also like to see him not get thrown off/suspended from the team. Track record is not great for players over 6'6 in recent years.
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C-time: Ohio State's basketball website is completely updated with the new roster including the walk-on's plus the non-conference schedule and the conference schedule. Why am I comparing Dayton's internet presence with Ohio State? Answer: Because Dwayne Cohill or his parents might be noticing it; just like I just noticed it!

If you want to compete, you got to get in the game and little things like the internet page can be important.

Now, I see that the web-page has, at least, put some of the bio info on the web page. My point was the internet presence and social media marketing is REALLY IMPORTANT. In life there are so many things that you CAN NOT CHANGE but working extra hard and keeping a web page "top notch" is something that CAN BE CHANGED. Having spent much time, preaching to my C-Team, at work, about the importance of marketing through every channel and the importance of web and media presence; I just hated the perception that the University of Dayton is not trying to be technologically savvy.

Do I really think that the University of Dayton having a "top notch" presence on Internet web pages, Twitter, Facebook and others will swing a "top" basketball recruit or his parents to sending their kid the Dayton? Maybe, its just one factor. But, like the consumer, you never know what swung the buyer to buy your product. Was it the price, quality, referral from another consumer, or just a great web presence that got the word out?
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Did you folks notice that all these guys shrunk from their 247 Sports, ESPN and other high school source (AAU) measurements? Crutcher was 6'3", Toppin was 6/9", Pierce was 7'0", Davis was 6'4". Even Williams in an interview on WHIO said he was 6"9" on the radio but he is listed an inch shorter.
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Did you folks notice that all these guys shrunk from their 247 Sports, ESPN and other high school source (AAU) measurements? Crutcher was 6'3", Toppin was 6/9", Pierce was 7'0", Davis was 6'4". Even Williams in an interview on WHIO said he was 6"9" on the radio but he is listed an inch shorter.
Monday's eclipse probably had something to do with it.
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C-time: Ohio State's basketball website is completely updated with the new roster including the walk-on's plus the non-conference schedule and the conference schedule.
That's because the B1G has released their conference schedule already. The A10 has not. UD has the non-conference schedule on the website which is all they have available until the A10 announces the schedule. I don't know what more you want them to do. UD can't exactly put a schedule that they don't have yet on the website.

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Why am I comparing Dayton's internet presence with Ohio State? Answer: Because Dwayne Cohill or his parents might be noticing it; just like I just noticed it!
Why are you even looking at those pages in August anyway? I only looked at them after you mentioned it. I can't think of any reason I would have otherwise.

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Now, I see that the web-page has, at least, put some of the bio info on the web page.
Actually UD has more info on the newcomers than Ohio State does. UD has all of their background info, HS stats, awards, parents names, siblings, etc. UD has no pictures yet.

And on a second look through Ohio State's roster and their amazing web presence they only have the height, weight, hometown, and high school for the newcomers. You also mentioned that they have the photos updated. Well they actually don't. Young and Wesson are the only 2 that have photos. Jallow, Dakich, Lehmann, and Fulton don't have a photo. They must be waiting for a picture/media day just like UD is.

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Do I really think that the University of Dayton having a "top notch" presence on Internet web pages, Twitter, Facebook and others will swing a "top" basketball recruit or his parents to sending their kid the Dayton? Maybe, its just one factor. But, like the consumer, you never know what swung the buyer to buy your product. Was it the price, quality, referral from another consumer, or just a great web presence that got the word out?
I also think it's important to have a great web presence, but sometimes you just need to realize it's August there is a lot of stuff going on at the beginning of the school year and fall sports season for both the players and the SID's office.

Just relax and you'll get your pictures and what their favorite food is once UD and OSU have their photo/media days.

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Big 'un.

With no snark at all, I hope they thoroughly check his heart once he's on campus. Can't that be a SOP for anyone over 6'8" from now on? The cost must be trivial and we can tout it to recruits.
Troof ... RIP #5. I've been a fanatic since 1992. Don't recall "Most Massive Flyers" making the media guide. Pierce has a shot ... top of my head:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/dayton/

desmond adedeji listed at 298
steve mcelvene 268
sean finn 240
matt kavanaugh 250
charles little 247
nate green?
jason osborn?
old school -- bill uhl etc?

doug hauschild owe anyone a favor?
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Troof ... RIP #5. I've been a fanatic since 1992. Don't recall "Most Massive Flyers" making the media guide. Pierce has a shot ... top of my head:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/dayton/

desmond adedeji listed at 298
steve mcelvene 268
sean finn 240
matt kavanaugh 250
charles little 247
nate green?
jason osborn?
old school -- bill uhl etc?

doug hauschild owe anyone a favor?
Speaking of Big Des... Look what he is up to

https://www.linkedin.com/in/desmond-adedeji-26ba2428

Good for him
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Also like to see him not get thrown off/suspended from the team. Track record is not great for players over 6'6 in recent years.
Man, we are going to be in serious trouble if this trend continues seeing as we only have five sub 6'6 guys on scholarship.

How's this look for a lineup?

PG: Crosby
SG: Crutcher
SF: Jordan Davis
PF: Darrell Davis
C: Trey Landers

SUSPENDED: Cunningham, Svoboda, Toppin, Antetokounmpo, Pierce, Williams, Mikesell, Miller

PREDICTION: Zero wins. And Darrell Davis quits when Grant tells him he's our PF.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer View Post
Man, we are going to be in serious trouble if this trend continues seeing as we only have five sub 6'6 guys on scholarship.

How's this look for a lineup?

PG: Crosby
SG: Crutcher
SF: Jordan Davis
PF: Darrell Davis
C: Trey Landers

SUSPENDED: Cunningham, Svoboda, Toppin, Antetokounmpo, Pierce, Williams, Mikesell, Miller

PREDICTION: Zero wins. And Darrell Davis quits when Grant tells him he's our PF.
I would put Crutcher at point.
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Old 08-24-2017, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia Blue View Post
Troof ... RIP #5. I've been a fanatic since 1992. Don't recall "Most Massive Flyers" making the media guide. Pierce has a shot ... top of my head:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/dayton/

desmond adedeji listed at 298
steve mcelvene 268
sean finn 240
matt kavanaugh 250
charles little 247
nate green?
jason osborn?
old school -- bill uhl etc?

doug hauschild owe anyone a favor?
Green was listed at 245. Osborne at 260. Green was a beast. Osborne was just thick.

Also, Chip Hare was listed at 245 and Marco Pikaar was listed at 247.

Old school, I know Hank Finkel was a big dude.
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Old 08-24-2017, 02:01 PM
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I would put Crutcher at point.
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He slides over to point when Gruden subs in.
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Big 'un.

With no snark at all, I hope they thoroughly check his heart once he's on campus. Can't that be a SOP for anyone over 6'8" from now on? The cost must be trivial and we can tout it to recruits.
From one who's learned a lot about heart issues recently...there's a limit to what an EKG, ultrasound, sonogram, nuclear stress test, etc., can tell you from a preventative perspective. And height has nothing to do with it. It some cases, skeletal structure...yes. I'm sure the medical staff has done, and will continue to do, thorough physicals. The investment is too much.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer View Post
Man, we are going to be in serious trouble if this trend continues seeing as we only have five sub 6'6 guys on scholarship.

How's this look for a lineup?

PG: Crosby
SG: Crutcher
SF: Jordan Davis
PF: Darrell Davis
C: Trey Landers

SUSPENDED: Cunningham, Svoboda, Toppin, Antetokounmpo, Pierce, Williams, Mikesell, Miller

PREDICTION: Zero wins. And Darrell Davis quits when Grant tells him he's our PF.
Bad prediction. Ben Kanieski is put in the power forward spot and performs far beyond expectation. (Ie fans will be clamoring that he deserves a full scholarship the next year) DD will be the sub off the bench and will never miss any three pointer he attempts.
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Old 08-24-2017, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Radar View Post
From one who's learned a lot about heart issues recently...there's a limit to what an EKG, ultrasound, sonogram, nuclear stress test, etc., can tell you from a preventative perspective. And height has nothing to do with it. It some cases, skeletal structure...yes. I'm sure the medical staff has done, and will continue to do, thorough physicals. The investment is too much.
This is also what I have heard as well. I have been told in some instances, a person has to be having symptoms for their issue to actually appear on these tests. Now I could be totally wrong, but that is what I have been told by some people who work in the medical field.
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