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Old 07-10-2017, 09:46 PM
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UD spokesperson tells me "no word" on Kostas Antetokounmpo injury but adds "that is not unusual" since he's currently overseas.
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Originally Posted by sheg View Post
Horrible double dribble when passing the 3-point line. Hope his knee is ok obviously.
Double Dribble? I know the gif is grainy but I didn't see one. Maybe a carry if you want to be really picky.
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Double Dribble? I know the gif is grainy but I didn't see one. Maybe a carry if you want to be really picky.
I concur. I watched it four times. Someone said some about a knee to knee. I am thinking more along the lines of knee to thigh or hip bone

I do like his moves and aggression for his size.
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Kostas has a fractured tibia, according to Greek basketball website.
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Kostas has a fractured tibia, according to Greek basketball website.
Article Jablonski linked to in his tweet:
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Old 07-11-2017, 09:35 AM
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That really sucks. Get better soon Kostas!
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how long we looking to heal from that? whats the time frame? i know we have a ton of doctors on the board.
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08 View Post
how long we looking to heal from that? whats the time frame? i know we have a ton of doctors on the board.
Quick answer from Dr. Google, only 6 to 8 weeks. Lets all just role with that answer and try to remain happy! Here is to a quick recovery
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Old 07-11-2017, 10:09 AM
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He has a broken tibia, going to be out for a while. hopefully back in the early fall.
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Of course no one wishes for this kind of thing, but I look at it as a two month red shirt.
Kostas needs weight and strength to play the way he wants to play in D1. He is guaranteed to get the minutes needed to complement his development. Unless of course there is a chronic thing like Walton or Oden that develops. Does not seem to be in the family so here's hoping it all works out smoothly.
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with this news. Thumbs are not up for the start of this season.
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Old 07-11-2017, 10:50 AM
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I'd give it 3 months to insure the break actually heals properly and he can work out joint stiffness. That still puts him back by season's beginning.
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Unless of course there is a chronic thing like Walton or Oden that develops. Does not seem to be in the family so here's hoping it all works out smoothly.
Ah yes, Luke and old man Bill's chronic back injuries... now the man they called Grateful Red took things to another level by treating the chronic with chronic! But it has definitely worked out smoothly for him. I mean dude has a teepee in his backyard with a full bongo/drum/percussion set! Anyone here got that setup? I didn't think so!

Anyway, here's hoping that Kostas' injury proves the opposite of a long, strange trip. We're going to need that guy!
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Quick answer from Dr. Google, only 6 to 8 weeks. Lets all just role with that answer and try to remain happy! Here is to a quick recovery
Sports medicine says 10-12 weeks before putting full weight on it
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I'd give it 3 months to insure the break actually heals properly and he can work out joint stiffness. That still puts him back by season's beginning.
Sounds about right. Can't imagine he'll suit up for the red and blue scrimmage. Way too ragged. If all goes well, they'll probably ease him through the exhibition schedule and have him "ready" for the start of the season. I wasn't expecting big minutes from Kostas early in the season prior to this news but this for sure seals that fate. He'll be a bit behind on practice time and conditioning so I'd expect very light minutes that will hopefully ramp up as the season goes along. There's a real opportunity for Trey Landers and Matej Svoboda to earn minutes to start the season with these injuries to Mikesell and Kostas.
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Jablonski just now on Twitter:

UD confirms Kostas Antetokounmpo has non-displaced fracture of tibia. They don't know severity. He is flying to Athens to be rexamined.

Quick google search:

"A non displaced fracture of the tibial plateau is when the tibia sustains a break or crack without a fragment of the bone becoming separated. These fractures normally have a better future outcome than displaced fractures and usually heal without surgical intervention within 3-4 months"
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Jablonski just now on Twitter:

UD confirms Kostas Antetokounmpo has non-displaced fracture of tibia. They don't know severity. He is flying to Athens to be rexamined.

Quick google search:

"A non displaced fracture of the tibial plateau is when the tibia sustains a break or crack without a fragment of the bone becoming separated. These fractures normally have a better future outcome than displaced fractures and usually heal without surgical intervention within 3-4 months"
A tibial plateau fracture is different than a tibia fracture. The tibial plateau is in the upper part of the bone in the knee area. A tibia fracture would be further down in the main part of the bone.

It will take a while for either to heal but hopefully it is not a tibial plateau fracture since that is in the knee area.

To me I think it will be best to be patient and UD will release a more exacting diagnosis once they have it. CAG has already given more injury updates in a few months than Archie gave in years. Archie would have told us about Kostas injury about 3 weeks from now and said that it was a deep bone bruise and that Kostas is day to day.

Edit: Also it looks like that Zero Gravity treadmill that UD bought for Cunningham will be getting some more use.

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saw Kostas game yesterday on youtube. He really needs to gain strength. Has nice skills but does not have the strength. He is a work in progress. Hopefully he won't be out too long.

Kostas reminds me of Sean Finn as a freshman/sophomore. Needs to get stronger.

I see the stuff about him on the A10 website. I would be looking at Svoboda as freshman of the year candidate.
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saw Kostas game yesterday on youtube. He really needs to gain strength. Has nice skills but does not have the strength. He is a work in progress. Hopefully he won't be out too long.

Kostas reminds me of Sean Finn as a freshman/sophomore. Needs to get stronger.

I see the stuff about him on the A10 website. I would be looking at Svoboda as freshman of the year candidate.
Does he need more strength? Sure, but doesn't everybody. He looks a ton stronger than he did in his HS videos and pictures from the beginning of last year. You should also remember it's very hard for people built like him to bulk up and appear to be some muscular specimen. Plus just because he's tall doesn't mean he needs to bulk up and to play in the post. Everybody said Kevin Durant was too skinny and I think he has turned out okay. I'll take Kostas skills and worry about him adding more muscle as time goes on.

And before anyone rips me for comparing him to KD I'm simply comparing their body type and build. I realize KD had more skills in college.
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IMHO NO!

Since it is a non displaced fracture I would hope that they immobilize it and he flies back to the US immediately where he can get it taken care of in Milwaukee or Dayton. To me that makes a lot more sense in case he needs some surgery to insert any pins or screws. Also it means after surgery he will be much more comfortable recovering with his family in Milwaukee.
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His brother has added muscle and plays very strong so Kostas body can definitely bulk up. I wasn't expecting a lot of production early on but this just delays his progress. The one thing this team has is length so hopefully he will not be missed and allowed to heal.

I agree with the comment above about Svoboda. No one really knows what he can do and I think he will surprise many with his ability to score from game 1.
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Kostas reminds me of Sean Finn as a freshman/sophomore. Needs to get stronger.
Sean Finn was possibly the worst-looking freshman I have ever seen. On defense he could foul. On offense, when he got the ball he would commit a traveling violation. When he didn't have the ball, he would commit a three second lane violation. Later, he developed into a great shot blocker and very nice center albeit one whose range extended all of 18 inches from the rim. Now I totally get you are only comparing them in terms of strength, but it is kind of a funny comparison because Kostas can already do things Sean Finn wouldn't dream of even attempting. Like dribbling. Or taking a jump shot.
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Here is a pic from his instagram of how his body changed from Sept. 2016 to Feb. 2017. I think that is an improvement and I'm sure it's gotten better since Feb.

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Update from John Bedell from WHIO on twitter:

https://twitter.com/JBedellWHIO/stat...25349863333888

It basically says UD will not give any further updates until a final diagnosis is made, which won't occur until Kostas has seen doctors in both Athens and Dayton.
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rumor....kostas has broken leg
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A fracture is quite literally a break. Furthermore, a fractured tibia will make one's leg not work. But one way or another, it is broke. No rumor there. Now, I haven't been to medical school, but I presume they teach the skeleton dance there. If you can't dance your way past "the legbone is connected to the kneebone" then you can't do the skeleton dance and if you can't do the skeleton dance, you can't play basketball.
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A tibial plateau fracture is different than a tibia fracture. The tibial plateau is in the upper part of the bone in the knee area. A tibia fracture would be further down in the main part of the bone.

It will take a while for either to heal but hopefully it is not a tibial plateau fracture since that is in the knee area.

To me I think it will be best to be patient and UD will release a more exacting diagnosis once they have it. CAG has already given more injury updates in a few months than Archie gave in years. Archie would have told us about Kostas injury about 3 weeks from now and said that it was a deep bone bruise and that Kostas is day to day.

Edit: Also it looks like that Zero Gravity treadmill that UD bought for Cunningham will be getting some more use.
So a few things....

First a fracture and break are the same thing. Saying he broke his leg, cracked his leg, fractured his tibia, etc....same thing.

Second, A tibia plateau fracture is not different than a tibia fracture. It's simply a type of tibia fracture. There are many different 'types' of tibia fractures....a plateau (Google shatzker classification system), medial mal (ankle), posterior mal (ankle), pilon (bad ankle), metaphyseal fx (distal or proximal shaft fx), diaphyseal fx (mid shaft), etc. Depending on the severity and location of your tibia fracture, your age, mobility, etc., you could be treated either non-op in a cast, or surgically with plates, screws, a nail or even an external fixation device.

Your tibia plateau is simply the most proximal (highest) part of your tibia. Your proximal tibia and distal femur articulate to create your 'knee', with your patella protecting the joint (patella is your knee cap).

If he fractured his proximal medial tibial condyle as reported, but it's non-displaced, then it's a tibia plateau fracture as the fracture extends into the plateau (top of the tibia). Now, if it's simply non-displaced and there is no depression, then this is significantly better than if there is a depression. A depression means the proximal (top) of the tibia that articulates with the distal femur to create your knee joint has suffered damage (essentially fractured) and needs repaired.

If it's simply a medial condyle fx then that's much better news than a displaced fx with any sort of depression, as that would require surgery with plates and screws, and have a higher risk of long term knee problems.
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This program is definitely "snake-bitten". I follow two programs to a fault, the Detroit Lions and the mighty Flyers. The Lions have had a player die on the field, another paralyzed on the field. Another come within a mere minute from dying on the field in the 90's...ridiculous fluke injuries and off season deaths (one being an all-pro lineman hit by semi while he was mowing his front yard (really?), so I know the deal. Our Flyers come awfully close to mirroring the Lions curse. Some say it stems from the teams dealings with a former player or two. Who knows? But to have two potential NBA players die in the last thirty years (something we just don't produce), and countless players go down with injuries seems a bit too much. Right when we seem to have all the pieces together tragedy seems to strike. I think of C Wright his freshman year, Cunningham last year (he may never be the same), the idiot twins, and now Kostas. There's many others I haven't mentioned for sure. What is it with this program? I swear I saw it in Archie's eyes last December after dealing with Big Steve and then Josh went down. He seemed to have that look in his eyes of...what the h is going on here? Something ain't right with this program, and don't tell me every program deals with this because they don't. It's always one step forward and two steps back.
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I watched the video a couple of times. It seems odd to me that you could break your leg on that play. I've seen guys go down a lot harder than that at not have any problems at all. I'm curious if anyone has watched and thinks the same thing.

As for the curse of the Flyers man Arch couldn't escape it that's for sure. Now AG has two medicals situations. And a third guy coming off one.
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AM just checked in. It's a deep bone bruise. He's day-to-day.
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Oh crap, I thought it was a fracture.
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It was a joke! I didn't think it was much of a rumor when we already had a full page of posts regarding the injury.
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This program is definitely "snake-bitten". I follow two programs to a fault, the Detroit Lions and the mighty Flyers. The Lions have had a player die on the field, another paralyzed on the field. Another come within a mere minute from dying on the field in the 90's...ridiculous fluke injuries and off season deaths (one being an all-pro lineman hit by semi while he was mowing his front yard (really?), so I know the deal. Our Flyers come awfully close to mirroring the Lions curse. Some say it stems from the teams dealings with a former player or two. Who knows? But to have two potential NBA players die in the last thirty years (something we just don't produce), and countless players go down with injuries seems a bit too much. Right when we seem to have all the pieces together tragedy seems to strike. I think of C Wright his freshman year, Cunningham last year (he may never be the same), the idiot twins, and now Kostas. There's many others I haven't mentioned for sure. What is it with this program? I swear I saw it in Archie's eyes last December after dealing with Big Steve and then Josh went down. He seemed to have that look in his eyes of...what the h is going on here? Something ain't right with this program, and don't tell me every program deals with this because they don't. It's always one step forward and two steps back.
Don't get the one step forward two steps back at all.We have a string of Dance appearences, have won the league and are in the top grouping in the league, something we were not until AM showed up. I too am a Lions fan since 65, and while they have had some bad things happen over the years, the fact that they just weren,t very good was the biggest factor in then having only one playoff win since the super Bowl era began. They have had terrible management over the years. However they currently seem to be correcting the management thing.
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Don't get the one step forward two steps back at all.We have a string of Dance appearances, have won the league and are in the top grouping in the league, something we were not until AM showed up.
I think he is talking about over the years. For example, the Roger Brown situation and Chmielewski quitting cost us a National Championship-type front line of Brown, Chmielewski, and Finkel. Losing players like Henry Burlong and Chip Jones, key injuries to players. We have had a LOT of bad luck over the years.
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All teams go through it. We tend to only realize it for the ones we follow. I follow the Reds and Bengals. The Bengals a couple of years ago had 6-8 starters on the IR for most of the year. Another year they had a great team and Palmer gets injured in the first playoff game. They have another great team and Dalton gets hurt, and then freak playoff game against the Steelers. The Reds start the year with 6 pitchers on the IR, and today have 3 starting pitchers on it. Bailey gets a huge contract and has barely pitched in the last three years. Mesoraco gets a contract and is now hurt for the third time in two years.

I am sure Browns fans can give a litany of injuries and personal problems. It happens to all teams.
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Of course it happens to the Reds and Bengals, as well as the Flyers. Those are the teams I root for!
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I don't really buy into the "we are snake bitten" idea. All teams go through adversity. IMO, Mikesell being out for the year is infinitely more detrimental than this Kostas setback, yet I didn't hear the same type of groaning when that was announced.
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I don't really buy into the "we are snake bitten" idea. All teams go through adversity. IMO, Mikesell being out for the year is infinitely more detrimental than this Kostas setback, yet I didn't hear the same type of groaning when that was announced.
I don't think losing Mikesell is more detrimental than losing Kostas. Mikesell was 5pts 4rebounds with more TO than assists and struggled badly on defense. While Kostas is an unknown, most agree his upside is much higher, and being 6'10" and on the wing brings an element that we haven't had at UD. We have plenty of 6'7 tweeners.
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I don't really buy into the "we are snake bitten" idea. All teams go through adversity. IMO, Mikesell being out for the year is infinitely more detrimental than this Kostas setback, yet I didn't hear the same type of groaning when that was announced.
I disagree. Don't get me wrong I like Mikesell, he is smart, he works hard and by all accounts is a great teammate, but God given ability matters too. Kostas has a huge upside and I think the setback to his development is a big deal. Mikesell is a role player, (at least I hope he is because if he is more than that it speaks to the overall talent on the team). I know I will get attacked by folks who like Ryan no matter what but just in case: I am not denigrating Ryan or his abilities rather I am speaking to the potential everyone seems to see in Kostas. Anyone who looks at those two kids and thinks their ceilings are similar is blind.
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So a few things....

First a fracture and break are the same thing. Saying he broke his leg, cracked his leg, fractured his tibia, etc....same thing.

Second, A tibia plateau fracture is not different than a tibia fracture. It's simply a type of tibia fracture. There are many different 'types' of tibia fractures....a plateau (Google shatzker classification system), medial mal (ankle), posterior mal (ankle), pilon (bad ankle), metaphyseal fx (distal or proximal shaft fx), diaphyseal fx (mid shaft), etc. Depending on the severity and location of your tibia fracture, your age, mobility, etc., you could be treated either non-op in a cast, or surgically with plates, screws, a nail or even an external fixation device.

Your tibia plateau is simply the most proximal (highest) part of your tibia. Your proximal tibia and distal femur articulate to create your 'knee', with your patella protecting the joint (patella is your knee cap).

If he fractured his proximal medial tibial condyle as reported, but it's non-displaced, then it's a tibia plateau fracture as the fracture extends into the plateau (top of the tibia). Now, if it's simply non-displaced and there is no depression, then this is significantly better than if there is a depression. A depression means the proximal (top) of the tibia that articulates with the distal femur to create your knee joint has suffered damage (essentially fractured) and needs repaired.

If it's simply a medial condyle fx then that's much better news than a displaced fx with any sort of depression, as that would require surgery with plates and screws, and have a higher risk of long term knee problems.

The only report I saw was "non displaced fracture of the tibia." Did I miss an updated report?
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C'mon guys, this speculation is like taking counting the Sunday church collection to the third decimal.

Be patient.
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The only report I saw was "non displaced fracture of the tibia." Did I miss an updated report?
The google translation of the original article from Greece says tibial plateau fracture as 224 mentioned in his medical journal entry, but all UD has said officially is "non displaced fracture of the tibia"
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I disagree. Don't get me wrong I like Mikesell, he is smart, he works hard and by all accounts is a great teammate, but God given ability matters too. Kostas has a huge upside and I think the setback to his development is a big deal. Mikesell is a role player, (at least I hope he is because if he is more than that it speaks to the overall talent on the team). I know I will get attacked by folks who like Ryan no matter what but just in case: I am not denigrating Ryan or his abilities rather I am speaking to the potential everyone seems to see in Kostas. Anyone who looks at those two kids and thinks their ceilings are similar is blind.
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Mikesell is a role player, (at least I hope he is because if he is more than that it speaks to the overall talent on the team). I know I will get attacked by folks who like Ryan no matter what but just in case: I am not denigrating Ryan or his abilities rather I am speaking to the potential everyone seems to see in Kostas. Anyone who looks at those two kids and thinks their ceilings are similar is blind.
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You too both said it better than me. I too think Ryan will be a solid role player, but that is it. Nothing against him personally. I have heard nothing but great things about him. But from a basketball standpoint I think the lost of Kostas is much bigger than RM.
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Well I guess there is nothing to be said about Ryan being out for the entire year and Kostas possibly only missing practice and returning before the games start. That was the comparison I was making. I should have made that clear I suppose.

Player out all year guaranteed to me is worse than player maybe out for the first few games (or maybe no games at all).
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C'mon guys, this speculation is like taking counting the Sunday church collection to the third decimal.

Be patient.
Could you explain for me how that would happen? Is someone contributing in a foreign currency?

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure it will always be 2 decimals. No more, no less.
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I think that if you asked a fan of the... Kansas City Chiefs... or the San Jose Sharks.... or the Portland Trailblazers.... you would hear the stories of how they are "snakebit"

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When I hear snakebite, the only thing that comes to mind is this:

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Could you explain for me how that would happen? Is someone contributing in a foreign currency?

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure it will always be 2 decimals. No more, no less.
Exactly. We have the same chance of figuring out Kosta's issues, fully unencombered with knowledge.
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Well, this is certainly an interesting tweet from 3 minutes ago:

@DraftExpress: Contrary to news, Dayton's Kostas Antetokoumpo did not suffer a fractured tibia. Hyper-extended his knee, is out 3-4 weeks. 2nd MRI coming.
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Well, this is certainly an interesting tweet from 3 minutes ago:

@DraftExpress: Contrary to news, Dayton's Kostas Antetokoumpo did not suffer a fractured tibia. Hyper-extended his knee, is out 3-4 weeks. 2nd MRI coming.
I like this DraftExpress guy!!!!!!! and hope he is right!!!!!!!!!!
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Wow... Some one is wrong, will be interesting to see who

God I hope he is right! lol
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Lots of people staying at the Holiday Inn Express. They must have been overbooked last night.
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I never get great feelings about knee MRI's, but we're due for some good news right?
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This gets better from the DraftExpress twitter. A Milwaukee Bucks fan asked him what changed since Dayton officials confirmed it was a nondisplaced fracture. DraftExpress replied that the Dayton official's diagnosis came from twitter!

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/sta...00056080449536

I really hope UD didn't confirm it that way but if they did that's pretty irresponsible. It can't be that hard to get a hold of Kostas or his parents to figure out what is happening. Maybe they should have stuck to the Archie Miller deep bone bruise diagnosis. Also Givony(DraftExpress) could be wrong about all this too.

I'm headed to Holiday Express to figure all this out.
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Some good news possibly but why does he need multiple MRIs in Greece? He needs to get on a plane. Whatever it is, UD is paying for and overseeing the rehab.
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Some good news possibly but why does he need multiple MRIs in Greece? He needs to get on a plane. Whatever it is, UD is paying for and overseeing the rehab.
I would guess they wanted to make sure it wasn't something that needed to be immediately fixed before flying back to Milwaukee/Dayton. Depending on the type of damage they probably wanted to make sure they immobilized it properly so there was no risk of any further damage while he travels.

Also if I'm Kostas and his family I probably have a doctor in Milwaukee look at it too. 2nd opinions can't hurt and his brother can give him access to possibly more experienced physicians.
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I really hope UD didn't confirm it that way but if they did that's pretty irresponsible. It can't be that hard to get a hold of Kostas or his parents to figure out what is happening. Maybe they should have stuck to the Archie Miller deep bone bruise diagnosis. Also Givony(DraftExpress) could be wrong about all this too.
Dayton officials confirmed they had spoken with Kostas, and they confirmed what they had been told by him. See: https://twitter.com/ErikFOX45Now/sta...00115059380224

Other media folks probably could have articulated this better, but when you only have 140 characters, things get shortened.
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This gets better from the DraftExpress twitter. A Milwaukee Bucks fan asked him what changed since Dayton officials confirmed it was a nondisplaced fracture. DraftExpress replied that the Dayton official's diagnosis came from twitter!

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/sta...00056080449536

I really hope UD didn't confirm it that way but if they did that's pretty irresponsible. It can't be that hard to get a hold of Kostas or his parents to figure out what is happening...
From DDN yesterday: "A UD spokesperson said Antetokounmpo has been told he suffered a non-displaced tibia (lower leg bone) fracture while playing in Europe. The severity of the injury is not yet known, but the spokesman said Antetokounmpo has spoken to first-year Flyers head coach Anthony Grant and team trainer Mike Mulcahey,..."

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From DDN yesterday: "A UD spokesperson said Antetokounmpo has been told he suffered a non-displaced tibia (lower leg bone) fracture while playing in Europe. The severity of the injury is not yet known, but the spokesman said Antetokounmpo has spoken to first-year Flyers head coach Anthony Grant and team trainer Mike Mulcahey,
That's why I said the DraftExpress guy could be wrong in my post that you quoted. I had somehow missed that quote while at the Holiday Inn Express.
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Oh man, now we are looking at a broken fracture hyperextended knee. This keeps getting worse.

Speedy recovery Kostas!
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Watching the video of the injury - a hyper-extended knee makes more sense. But it seems odd that whatever medical professional he talked to would confuse a hyper-extended knee for a fractured tibia.

I guess we will have to wait and see.
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That's why I said the DraftExpress guy could be wrong in my post that you quoted. I had somehow missed that quote while at the Holiday Inn Express.
It's easy to miss things when you're throwing down a few cinnamon rolls at the Holiday Inn Express breakfast.
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It's easy to miss things when you're throwing down a few cinnamon rolls at the Holiday Inn Express breakfast.
Cinnamon Rolls? No Way!

Me and Ray Harper only get the pancakes the machine makes while you wait!

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Me and Ray Harper only get the pancakes the machine makes while you wait!
Oh, I love that machine! All you do is push a button, watch the progress indicator, and then catch the pancake with your plate, when it magically appears at the end of the covered conveyor belt.

No having to mess around with pouring pancake batter.

That machine's inventor was a genius!
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Oh, I love that machine! All you do is push a button, watch the progress indicator, and then catch the pancake with your plate, when it magically appears at the end of the covered conveyor belt.

No having to mess around with pouring pancake batter.

That machine's inventor was a genius!
Of 'course that inventor was ............. you guessed it!

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I think he is talking about over the years. For example, the Roger Brown situation and Chmielewski quitting cost us a National Championship-type front line of Brown, Chmielewski, and Finkel. Losing players like Henry Burlong and Chip Jones, key injuries to players. We have had a LOT of bad luck over the years.
I think UD62 may be saying why would he say the program is snakebitten in the present tense if there's been no recent evidence, only positive results. Was/were snakebitten, maybe.. I think the same as you but when I read it my first interpretation was what rock has this guy been living under..
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Kostas reminds me of Sean Finn as a freshman/sophomore. Needs to get stronger.QUOTE]

Regarding his game the fact that he dribbled the ball up court and split a double team before he got hurt reminds me nothing of Sean Finn.

But you are right physically he has the frame of a young Sean Finn.

He's got a center body and plays like a 2 or 3. If Grant can develop him he's got NBA potential.
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And that device where the King sleeps after pancakes are made, is called, the Royal Dog House Father-In-Law suite.
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Kostas reminds me of Sean Finn as a freshman/sophomore. Needs to get stronger.QUOTE]

Regarding his game the fact that he dribbled the ball up court and split a double team before he got hurt reminds me nothing of Sean Finn.

But you are right physically he has the frame of a young Sean Finn.

He's got a center body and plays like a 2 or 3. If Grant can develop him he's got NBA potential.
My observation while watching the video was that after he split the double team two more players were there and #5 slid over late and, while I don't think it was intentional, their knees banged together! He hobbled off the floor with the assistance of one person under each arm. I hope Kostas is able to come back before the start of the season.

In retrospect, I wonder why AG gave Kostas permission to go over there and play for the U20 Greek team. After all, by signing a scholarship isn't he property of the University of Dayton! Shouldn't he have been here learning AG's system like all the other newcomers?

Injuries can happen anywhere at any time and can't be predicted but there is something to be said for being on campus practicing with teammates vs. several thousand miles away!
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In retrospect, I wonder why AG gave Kostas permission to go over there and play for the U20 Greek team. After all, by signing a scholarship isn't he property of the University of Dayton! Shouldn't he have been here learning AG's system like all the other newcomers?
I hear ya as I believe Dyshawn Pierre turned down the opportunity to tryout for Canada's national team as he stayed at UD over the summer. In Kostas case, I think it was probably agreed upon by the previous staff that he could play for his homeland as it appears to be a family tradition and I bet Kostas was itching to play some real competitive ball. Any rate my feeling is you don't want to set precedent by barring the young fellas an opportunity to represent their home country as it may become a deterrent for the next international target UD goes after.
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In retrospect, I wonder why AG gave Kostas permission to go over there and play for the U20 Greek team. After all, by signing a scholarship isn't he property of the University of Dayton! Shouldn't he have been here learning AG's system like all the other newcomers?
Don't know if there is actually a right or wrong answer here, but I was thrilled he was getting this opportunity.

Mostly because he hasn't played a real game in a long time. He needs to get on court experience that can't be replicated in the limited time AG gets with them during the summer. AG has also said that they are doing very little "system" type stuff this summer - focusing instead on individual skill. Kostas getting real playing time in an international tournament was going to be better for his development than the limited hours AG can get with him.
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In retrospect, I wonder why AG gave Kostas permission to go over there and play for the U20 Greek team. After all, by signing a scholarship isn't he property of the University of Dayton! Shouldn't he have been here learning AG's system like all the other newcomers?

Injuries can happen anywhere at any time and can't be predicted but there is something to be said for being on campus practicing with teammates vs. several thousand miles away!
I'm assuming this comment is sarcastic or at least I hope it is because otherwise the underlined part sounds really bad.

Kostas could have really benefited from playing in the U20 tournament since he hasn't played a real game for a really long time. Also it is very important to many people to represent their countries and I think the Antetokounmpos feels this way. I believe all the brothers went over a few weeks ago to Greece and did an exhibition game/camp. Also Giannis and Thanasis are both on the Eurobasket roster for Greece which starts at the end of August. If the Bucks are going to allow their best player to play for Greece I think UD can too. I imagine someday that all the brothers would like to play for the Greek senior national team at the same time which would be pretty cool.

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I'm assuming this comment is sarcastic or at least I hope it is because otherwise the underlined part sounds really bad.

Kostas could have really benefited from playing in the U20 tournament since he hasn't played a real game for a really long time. Also it is very important to many people to represent their countries and I think the Antetokounmpos feels this way. I believe all the brothers went over a few weeks ago to Greece and did an exhibition game/camp. Also Giannis and Thanasis are both on the Eurobasket roster for Greece which starts at the end of August. If the Bucks are going to allow their best player to play for Greece I think UD can too. I imagine someday that all the brothers would like to play for the Greek senior national team at the same time which would be pretty cool.
The country of Greece and their international fan's pride is far more important than UD.

My hats off to management for supporting his trip to Euro. Sh.. happens in life.
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Kostas couldn't play organized basketball last year. He's raw. He just needs to play. He can learn Grant's system later. Playing at a high level against good competition for the Greek U-20 team was a good basketball development decision, let alone all that comes with the experience of representing your country. You can't predict injuries... could have happened on campus. Absolutely the right call for him.

Also, worth noting that Greece has really stringent military service and other requirements. Probably in his best interests to stay in good graces there.
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They probably should have just wrapped up the whole team in bubble wrap, placed them in the corner of the attic and brought them back out at Halloween.
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He's got a center body and plays like a 2 or 3. If Grant can develop him he's got NBA potential.
NBA potential? Can't imagine that. There is nothing in the genes that would give us a clue.
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He reportedly has a lot of potential. A center's body - hardly.
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They probably should have just wrapped up the whole team in bubble wrap, placed them in the corner of the attic and brought them back out at Halloween.
Should have tried it with Big Des. He'd have lost like 40 lbs easy over the summer sweating in bubble wrap up in coach's attic.
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He's doing what's best for his development by competing with players of Olympic caliber. I'd expect his offensive game to get some polish if he hadn't gotten injured. Hopefully it's relatively minor and has no chronic or lasting effects.
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Should have tried it with Big Des. He'd have lost like 40 lbs easy over the summer sweating in bubble wrap up in coach's attic.
Don't kid yourself, Des would have eaten his way thru the bubble wrap, insulation, plywood and shingles just to get back to Chipotle.
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Don't kid yourself, Des would have eaten his way thru the bubble wrap, insulation, plywood and shingles just to get back to Chipotle.
Good call. Either that or he would have just fallen through the ceiling. But one way or another he was getting to Chipotle.

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Good call. Either that or he would have just fallen through the ceiling. But one way or another he was getting to Chipotle.

P.S. The Brown Street Chipotle location has one of those "secret" menus, and if you order the "Big Des" you get a burrito that's roughly equal to the size of three Joey Grudens. Or so I'm told.
I ordered the "Josh Benson." I was told it was an NBA ready burrito. But it was undersized and missed jump shots.
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I ordered the "Josh Benson." I was told it was an NBA ready burrito. But it was undersized and missed jump shots.
This thought process absolutely deserves its own thread.
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Had the Scott/Robinson salad. I had to sneak in the back door after they closed to pick it up.
I hear they toss that salad on the sidewalk.
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