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Old 08-14-2017, 09:39 PM
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https://www.cougcenter.com/2017/8/14...athletics-ncaa

Always two sides to a story but it seems like Ryan has some deeply rooted disappointment about his post-playing career.
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Originally Posted by Flyer Al View Post
https://www.cougcenter.com/2017/8/14...athletics-ncaa

Always two sides to a story but it seems like Ryan has some deeply rooted disappointment about his post-playing career.
Wasn't there but it sounds like the writer was more disappointed than Ryan was.

It would be interesting to hear what Purnell has to say though. Maybe you have to give a head coach more than a couple of calls. I am not sure if he had his home/cell or was trying to contact him though the school. I could imagine him not getting the message if he was not called directly.
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Pretty disappointing read. I came away with a larger respect for Ryan and some disappointment towards Purnell. Purnell has Ryan Perryman to thank for his career path.

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This actually upsets me more than the Sam Miller saga.
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This actually upsets me more than the Sam Miller saga.
I am with you and I considered not posting it. The world doesn't owe anyone a living and it doesn't sound like Ryan was looking for a handout, just a chance to start a life by doing what anyone looking for a job does, network through their connections. I was not, and am not, in those types of circles so it is hard for me to cast blame on anyone. I thought the article was going to be a good read about his days at UD and was left not knowing for sure how I felt about it.
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Originally Posted by Flyer Al View Post
https://www.cougcenter.com/2017/8/14...athletics-ncaa

Always two sides to a story but it seems like Ryan has some deeply rooted disappointment about his post-playing career.

the article said he loves everything Dayton... loves the city, the people and comes to see games as often as he can.. he helped turn around a program in 3 years, and led the nation in rebounding his final year.

his disappointment, partly came from calling the coach he played for and making him look good, Oliver Purnell, trying to get a reference when he was trying to find employment after he graduated with a dual major.. according to the article, Purnell would not return his phone calls.. 2 sides, but who would NOT be disappointed when the very coach you played for while helping turn a program around, ignores you... not good, but we don't know the other side... good to see he has done well for himself, by himself
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All Hail Ryan Perryman!

This story is so full of vague comments I don't know how to feel. Exactly what was his double major? The article hints he couldn't find a job, but what kind of job was he looking for? Anything in Dayton wouldn't have necessitated a reference letter from Purnell! Then it says he made a good living playing oversees...so was this after he couldn't get a job or did he have problems finding a job after making a good living in which case he could be more selective? And what about his NFL caliber son...

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I'm mostly just bummed that Ryan Perryman Jr, an NFL caliber athlete apparently, won't be headed to Dayton to double major in rebounding and kicking a$$ like his pops.
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So what were his majors and GPA? Should a star basketball player be given a job just because of who he is? I agree with others who say we are not being given the whole story. The author tries to draw a conclusion without giving enough facts to lead us to that conclusion.
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Knowing both individuals pretty well, this doesn't or maybe I should say wouldn't surprise me. Purnell did a great job turning the program around, but his priority was always Oliver and not the Dayton Flyers. Interestingly, the author never directly quotes either party. It's a pretty lame and ambiguous article. I have the highest respect for Ryan as a player and person. I seriously doubt he wanted this article written.
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So what were his majors and GPA? Should a star basketball player be given a job just because of who he is? I agree with others who say we are not being given the whole story. The author tries to draw a conclusion without giving enough facts to lead us to that conclusion.
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This story is so full of vague comments I don't know how to feel. Exactly what was his double major? The article hints he couldn't find a job, but what kind of job was he looking for? Anything in Dayton wouldn't have necessitated a reference letter from Purnell! Then it says he made a good living playing oversees...so was this after he couldn't get a job or did he have problems finding a job after making a good living in which case he could be more selective? And what about his NFL caliber son...

Since I start my morning off with DDN I can easily say I've read worse articles, but not many.

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According to Ryan's LinkedIn page, he had a double major in English and Communications.
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And what about his NFL caliber son...
This article from Archdeacon in 2010 mentions two children "22-month-old Pennie and 6-month-old Roman" which puts them at roughly 9 and 7 years old today. Seems the whole article is based on a conclusion that the author wanted to reach, but not one that necessarily aligns with reality.

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This "article" was a slanted opinion piece. I once took a professional development course that included a heavy critical thinking component. One of the things we did was take a heavily slanted newspaper article on a slam dunk topic (think Charlottesville) and tear it apart looking for actual facts. Nearly everyone in the room went from one side to the other after stopping to think critically about the article.

What are the actual facts behind the story? No idea. They might line up with exactly what the guy is implying. But we know very little more after reading this than before.

Frankly, I'm not sure what additional advantages one would think is appropriate for someone in basketball and football beyond having everyone in the region know your name and face, along with a bit of hero worship. Not enough advantages to go along with free college?
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Should a star basketball player be given a job just because of who he is?
Depends what kind of job. If he was a good leader on the court, his resume academics aside looks plenty good for a coaching job. Secret service? Dude definitely knows how to box out. He'd make a heck of a bodyguard. You could definitely trust him to keep the crazies away.
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Knowing both individuals pretty well, this doesn't or maybe I should say wouldn't surprise me. Purnell did a great job turning the program around, but his priority was always Oliver and not the Dayton Flyers. Interestingly, the author never directly quotes either party. It's a pretty lame and ambiguous article. I have the highest respect for Ryan as a player and person. I seriously doubt he wanted this article written.
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This article from Archdeacon in 2010 mentions two children "22-month-old Pennie and 6-month-old Roman" which puts them at roughly 9 and 7 years old today. Seems the whole article is based on a conclusion that the author wanted to reach, but not one that necessarily aligns with reality.
That's hilarious. The way the author wrote it ("his son DEFINITELY has a future as an NFL defensive tackle"), you'd think his son was at the very least a high school stud with D1 football scholarship offers.
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This "article" was a slanted opinion piece. I once took a professional development course that included a heavy critical thinking component. One of the things we did was take a heavily slanted newspaper article on a slam dunk topic (think Charlottesville) and tear it apart looking for actual facts. Nearly everyone in the room went from one side to the other after stopping to think critically about the article.

What are the actual facts behind the story? No idea. They might line up with exactly what the guy is implying. But we know very little more after reading this than before.

Frankly, I'm not sure what additional advantages one would think is appropriate for someone in basketball and football beyond having everyone in the region know your name and face, along with a bit of hero worship. Not enough advantages to go along with free college?
Critical Thinking? That's sooooo 1980's. Today it's all about feelings and victimization so let's all smile and feel sorry for Ryan because he may or may not have hit a bump on the road of life.

NOT! Ryan's doing fine and will forever have an honorary seat at the Royal Roundtable! Who, besides the King, vividly recalls his steal, behind the back dribble and dunk vs GW as a senior!?! Definitely a UD Top 10 Play!
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This article aside, I do like to read about the lives of our past stars on and off the courts. It's better than nothing.
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I always thought OP was "just passing through" and wasn't connected with the business community. He might not have taken the call because there was nothing he could do for him. Sad.
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This article aside, I do like to read about the lives of our past stars on and off the courts. It's better than nothing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Perryman

tells me more than the article at the top did
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IYRC, Ryan was a JOB recruit and OP inherited him, so RP wasn't necessarily "his guy."

It's safe to say that had RP played under BG or AG, this would not have occured.

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It is the off season, and anything UD seems important. But now we are at the bottom of the barrel …..
My wife was in the hospital a while back and somehow in a conversation with her doctor the subject of UD, and UD basketball, came up….. This doctor offered that he was a big UD fan and that he played pickup basketball with ….. ….. Ryan Perryman. He offered that Ryan was the nicest guy you would ever want to meet…. and humorously added that you did not want to make Ryan mad on the Bball court….
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So PJ Kendall writes for WSU athletics and he has basically a chance meeting through his wife with RP on a vacation in Tennessee where lots of alcohol was consumed . He also claims that he never talks with D1 athletes, current or former. He has no quotes from either parties included in the article, and has no other references from other coaches or athletes. Yea, that sounds about right. True or not, I'm guessing RP isn't taking any calls form this guy or his wife, any time soon. WSU would do well to pull this article before Flyer Nation rises up and . . . Seriously, want a POS article, even if true.
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….. This doctor offered that he was a "big UD fan" ….
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My first thought was did Purcell even get the phone message? It's the 1990s. Voicemail existed but a lot of people didn't use it. A lot of people who had secretaries still got their phone messages on those 1/4 page pink phone message slips. Did that get lost? Was the return phone number written down wrong? Did Ryan make more than one call into the coach's office? Lots of things could have happened.

I can appreciate the writer wanted to pump up WSU's program that helps athletes after their playing days are over, but he did a terrible thing to use this conversation as he did...without verifying facts and circumstances from both Ryan and Purcell. Way too many unanswered questions and un-verified facts he is presenting as truth.

And does anyone think the writer asked Ryan to "go on the record" with any of this? You're on vacation, drinking adult beverages and make an innocent comment and this guy publicly connects dots that might not exist.

WSU should pull this article immediately. Let's hope the silver lining is Purcell sees the article and reaches out to Ryan and whatever happened is cleared up between them.

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So PJ Kendall writes for WSU athletics and he has basically a chance meeting through his wife with RP on a vacation in Tennessee where lots of alcohol was consumed . WSU would do well to pull this article before Flyer Nation rises up and . . . Seriously, want a POS article, even if true.
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I can appreciate the writer wanted to pump up WSU's program that helps athletes after their playing days are over, but he did a terrible thing to use this conversation as he did...without verifying facts and circumstances from both Ryan and Purcell. Way too many unanswered questions and un-verified facts he is presenting as truth.

WSU should pull this article immediately.
Just so everyone is clear this article isn't from the Washington St. University athletic department. It is from an SB Nation Washington St. fan website. It's most likely a WSU fan/fans who had a site that they moved onto SB Nation.

Just like Flyerhoops.net got moved/acquired by Rivals at some point. I'm sure Chris has had similar offers to move UDpride and Blackburn Review has had offers to move his site. They're all simply fan run sites where there is no official connection to the university.
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Not trying to pile on Purnell but- A) i'm fairly certain that Ryan was a JOB recruit and probably saved Purnell 2 years of additional rebuilding had Ryan opened up his commitment when JOB got fired but (Ryan) chose not to do that - and B) I once attended a UD game with a X fan i worked with and we both just happened to pass Purnell on the concourse at the arena and we made a comment like "Hey coach, great job this season (2003/04) and his response was a blank stare and walked right past us like we were nothing. My "X" buddy (who has since passed away) couldn't believe it...and neither did i...So the story linked above sadly doesn't surprise me...and yes we were the only ones within 50 feet of Purnell...he saw us. And so I will add the obvious comment: if anyone deserved help from Purnell after graduating from UD, it was Ryan (one of my all time favorites btw).
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This paints RP as a victim.

I don't think he sees himself as the victim.

As others have said...no quotes makes me think that they had conversations when both were feeling no pain...(Per the author). You vent and complain and say things to friends and family at these affairs that you assume and hope never get to print.

Without his endorsement of this... I file this as rubbish.

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This paints RP as a victim.

I don't think he sees himself as the victim.

As others have said...no quotes makes me think that they had conversations when both were feeling no pain...(Per the author). You vent and complain and say things to friends and family at these affairs that you assume and hope never get to print.

Without his endorsement of this... I file this as rubbish.
Rubbish that drove alot of hits to his web site -- which is exactly what he wanted. No one else is reading this article except those UD fans that clicked through here.

Its very easy to get a fan based riled up -- and then draw eyeballs that make money (e.g., Mark May).
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Rubbish that drove alot of hits to his web site -- which is exactly what he wanted. No one else is reading this article except those UD fans that clicked through here.

Its very easy to get a fan based riled up -- and then draw eyeballs that make money (e.g., Mark May).
I doubt you really believe this...oh, you kidder you..
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...B) I once attended a UD game with a X fan i worked with and we both just happened to pass Purnell on the concourse at the arena and we made a comment like "Hey coach, great job this season (2003/04) and his response was a blank stare and walked right past us like we were nothing. My "X" buddy (who has since passed away) couldn't believe it...and neither did i...So the story linked above sadly doesn't surprise me...and yes we were the only ones within 50 feet of Purnell...he saw us...
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What is sad is this has happened to me by former Head Football coach Mike Kelly twice at away games where he was no longer the head coach of the football team...I have never said another word to him when I see him. I don't have time to be ignored by someone who thinks he is better than me.
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What is sad is this has happened to me by former Head Football coach Mike Kelly twice at away games where he was no longer the head coach of the football team...I have never said another word to him when I see him. I don't have time to be ignored by someone who thinks he is better than me.
That sure doesn't sound like the Mike Kelly I know. He typically goes out of his way to be friendly and considerate to everyone.
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RYAN PERRYMAN WAS NEVER DISAPPOINTED ABOUT HIS COLLEGE CAREER. The blog that is being talked about on this thread is actually titled “The Plight of the College Athlete,” a fitting metaphor about circumstances that can befall any athlete nationwide and probably worldwide. The universities need their coats pulled (be made aware of) of what surprising and unexpected things happen to young athletes that once filled stadiums to the rafters and played their hearts out to the sounds of deafening cheers.

I’m happy I raised him to be a hard worker who puts his brains, muscles and might into everything does. He went to Dayton, adjusted to the system and played his heart out. He became a team leader and in some cases a national leader (rebounding). After graduation (yes, he graduated honorably) and all of the things that transpired, Ryan came back home and worked tirelessly teaching plus working other jobs during the same time. Soon he went overseas and played basketball for a number of years before he got married and started a family.

He sought out the Dayton community for leads to job interviews. Crickets. He eventually got a job with a St. Louis library book sale company. St. Louis. He worked very hard traveling, selling and honing his skills. His next position was a Central Ohio Account Executive for Houghton Miflin Harcourt, an international textbook and learning company. Within a very few years Ryan became a CEO Club recipient. That means he was one of the top salespeople in the company… an elite group. This past January Ryan was promoted Michigan Field Sales Manager.

By the way, for the person on this discussion board who inquired, there is a thing as a double major. In my degree have a double major. My son is proud of his university and is a staunch alumnus. He received a great education and has developed many lifelong relationships.

Ryan Perryman has never and I mean never said a disparaging word about UD. He loves the fans. He never, ever told me, his Mother, about the difficulties he was having. I just found out that part of it two days ago. He wanted to shoulder what he considered to be his responsibility for his life’s work and outcome. That is a true testament to his character. He was raised to work hard and do his best. I couldn’t have asked for a better son. All of us raise our sons in hopes that they will be great men. We succeeded.

However I ask the same question others might ask. Why was there was no feedback from Purnell or UD?

"You don't raise heroes, you raise sons. And if you treat them like sons, they'll turn out to be heroes, even if it's just in your own eyes." ~Walter M Schirra

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Perryman always seemed like a great guy and was one of my favorites. My only personal experience with him was a few years after he graduated at Flanagan's after a game. My (then) wife greeted him with "we miss you so much." His response (with a HUGE smile and a look of genuine affection on his face): "aw, I miss you guys too!" I heart RP3.
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I met him about 3 years ago at a function for the BB teams and he was very gracious and I got a pic with him. I am shocked and disappointed that he had this experience after his playing days. I was hoping that only part of what the author said was true or was greatly exaggerated. If Ryan had settled in the Dayton area to raise his family, the community would have benefited... our loss.
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RYAN PERRYMAN WAS NEVER DISAPPOINTED ABOUT HIS COLLEGE CAREER. The blog that is being talked about on this thread is actually titled “The Plight of the College Athlete,” a fitting metaphor about circumstances that can befall any athlete nationwide and probably worldwide. The universities need their coats pulled (be made aware of) of what surprising and unexpected things happen to young athletes that once filled stadiums to the rafters and played their hearts out to the sounds of deafening cheers.

I’m happy I raised him to be a hard worker who puts his brains, muscles and might into everything does. He went to Dayton, adjusted to the system and played his heart out. He became a team leader and in some cases a national leader (rebounding). After graduation (yes, he graduated honorably) and all of the things that transpired, Ryan came back home and worked tirelessly teaching plus working other jobs during the same time. Soon he went overseas and played basketball for a number of years before he got married and started a family.

He sought out the Dayton community for leads to job interviews. Crickets. He eventually got a job with a St. Louis library book sale company. St. Louis. He worked very hard traveling, selling and honing his skills. His next position was a Central Ohio Account Executive for Houghton Miflin Harcourt, an international textbook and learning company. Within a very few years Ryan became a CEO Club recipient. That means he was one of the top salespeople in the company… an elite group. This past January Ryan was promoted Michigan Field Sales Manager.

By the way, for the person on this discussion board who inquired, there is a thing as a double major. In my degree have a double major. My son is proud of his university and is a staunch alumnus. He received a great education and has developed many lifelong relationships.

Ryan Perryman has never and I mean never said a disparaging word about UD. He loves the fans. He never, ever told me, his Mother, about the difficulties he was having. I just found out that part of it two days ago. He wanted to shoulder what he considered to be his responsibility for his life’s work and outcome. That is a true testament to his character. He was raised to work hard and do his best. I couldn’t have asked for a better son. All of us raise our sons in hopes that they will be great men. We succeeded.

However I ask the same question others might ask. Why was there was no feedback from Purnell or UD?

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