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Clutcher saved his profesional basketball career. He played like an NBA quality guard tonight. A few more of these and he might get drafted.
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I disagree, I don't think there's really any chance barring something absolutely historic. His size is a big reason why.
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Remember TJ McConnell, who played point for Duquesne and then transferred to Arizona? He is 6’2” and no better in college than Jalen. He has like a six year NBA career going.
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PG Scooch>Jalen>BRob

SG BRob>Jalen>Scooch

Combo Jalen>BRob>Scooch

Creating own 3 point shot BRob>Jalen>Scooch

Creating own shot inside the arc Jalen>Scooch>BRob

So based on the fact I can't put Jalen last in any of these categories, I give him a better chance than I had before this season started.

However, I will give all three the nod over Sedric Toney who carved out a nice NBA career as a PG, albeit 35 years ago..

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Remember TJ McConnell, who played point for Duquesne and then transferred to Arizona? He is 6’2” and no better in college than Jalen. He has like a six year NBA career going.
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This was a thread about getting drafted not playing in the nba at some point. McConnell wasn't drafted. Crutcher isn't even on the boards i've seen for potentially getting drafted.
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PG Scooch>Jalen>BRob

SG BRob>Jalen>Scooch

Combo Jalen>BRob>Scooch

Creating own 3 point shot BRob>Jalen>Scooch

Creating own shot inside the arc Jalen>Scooch>BRob

So based on the fact I can't put Jalen last in any of these categories, I give him a better chance than I had before this season started.

However, I will give all three the nod over Sedric Toney who carved out a nice NBA career as a PG, albeit 35 years ago..
This is an interesting opinion. Unfortunately, BRob played in the days of limited TV (for me) so I don't have as much eye test data for him as Jalen and Scoochie. I would have put BRob ahead of the other 2 in all 3 categories.
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This is an interesting opinion. Unfortunately, BRob played in the days of limited TV (for me) so I don't have as much eye test data for him as Jalen and Scoochie. I would have put BRob ahead of the other 2 in all 3 categories.
Interesting takes. BRob was a different Player/PG in the NBA than at UD. Not saying it changes the rankings but it did help him have a decent NBA gig.

The only ranking provided I would even think of debating is SS as a better PG than JC. I’d be interested in rationale as JC has great court vision and is one of the best passers I’ve ever seen. Both are great ball handlers. I also think JC has a quicker shot release than SS and may be slightly quicker off the dribble than SS.
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Remember TJ McConnell, who played point for Duquesne and then transferred to Arizona? He is 6’2” and no better in college than Jalen. He has like a six year NBA career going.
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TJ was a better pure point guard than Jalen in college.He was a better passer and got guys more involved from when I watched him at both colleges. Last year we had the best player in the country so that helped Jalen out quite a bit as he was able to find him almost at all times with ease. We're seeing a totally different story this year and yet we still have two senior guards with the ball in their hands most of the time.

I believe that Jalen is a lot more offensive minded than TJ was in college and that's okay. Jalen is not going to get drafted and that's probably the best thing for him. All it takes is for a team to like him and he gets in camp and plays well and/ or there are possible injuries to players in that camp and he'll get his chance. There are many types of players in the NBA. TJ gets in the game and does create havoc and makes all the right plays. I've seen him get steals and go the distance and pass off of for the dunk, keep balls alive and hit the right guy for open shots. I'm sure TJ was also in the right place at the right time to get that opportunity because just going off watching him in college no one would think that he would be an NBA player and an instrumental one at that and log the type of minutes that he gets per game.
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Should we point out muggsy bogues as well? Sure there's shorter guys that get drafted, but crutcher most likely won't be one of them. I'd put money on it.
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Should we point out muggsy bogues as well? Sure there's shorter guys that get drafted, but crutcher most likely won't be one of them. I'd put money on it.
Yeah the size really doesn't matter. If Jalen had incredible athletic ability and was built like a brick ****house and could get to the rack anytime he wanted along with his ability hit the three would be talking about a totally different player.
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I love Crutcher as a college player. I'm not so sure about his NBA prospects because those running shots that he gets in the lane are going to be contested by aircraft carriers with 7'6" wingspans rather than marginally athletic average college players. And when you get bumped on the shot in the NBA, it's not a foul unless there is blood. You have to have the physicality to match that. It's just a different landscape in the NBA.

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Interesting takes. BRob was a different Player/PG in the NBA than at UD. Not saying it changes the rankings but it did help him have a decent NBA gig.

The only ranking provided I would even think of debating is SS as a better PG than JC. I’d be interested in rationale as JC has great court vision and is one of the best passers I’ve ever seen. Both are great ball handlers. I also think JC has a quicker shot release than SS and may be slightly quicker off the dribble than SS.
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This was not a knock on JC, but SS was a pure PG to me and JC is more hybrid. Seems when JC doesn't score, he has a bad game, because what makes him so great and crucial for the Flyers is his all around offense more so than his ball handling skills. SS could have a day of scoring minimal points, and still have a great game. Not so with JC. And SS rarely ever faced full court pressure because it was pointless as he could not be trapped. And what's crazy is he could do so at such a slower pace. Methodical pace if you will.

As far as you last sentence, fully agree, and I think my ratings reflect that in both Jalen being better at creating his own 3 point shot and creating his own 2 point shot.

If you asked me who was the best player rating all three, I'd still go BRob>JC>SS. But as for who's game will play out better in the pros, then I'm not so sure. I think JC probably does because he's got it it all. As we saw against Davidson, JC is hard to stop because when he has the ball, 3 things can take place at any time and that's a 3 point pop, taking it on the dribble with a floater or taking it to the rim. When he had an Obi(which he would bound to have someone along those lines in the NBA), that adds a 4th thing and that slipping the ball to him.

I guess my main reason for putting SS over JC as a pure PG is he was better at not turning the ball over and got the ball past half court in less time because it was pointless(and maybe more dangerous) to full court pressure him. One other thing, SS was also great at using the full 10 seconds to get the ball past half court when we needed to run clock for the same reason.

I think what makes BRob so difficult to pin point is he was THE MAN for most of his time here while both Scooch and Jalen had other players with enough basketball talent to take some of the pressure off and let them play a more well-rounded game. But I do remember always feeling that BRob would've been an all-american if we had someone like Scooch, Jalen or yes, Meacham being the quarterback of the offense. But we never really had that for him(other than when he and Meacham were both Freshman) and he had to play PG by necessity. And here's what we'll never know but if he had more help and became that AA I thought he could, he might have been drafted and because a team had more invested in him, given a quicker and more patient start in the NBA.

Oh and one more rating that I left off originally: FT shooting BRob>JC>SS

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This was not a knock on JC, but SS was a pure PG to me and JC is more hybrid. Seems when JC doesn't score, he has a bad game, because what makes him so great and crucial for the Flyers is his all around offense more so than his ball handling skills. SS could have a day of scoring minimal points, and still have a great game. Not so with JC. And SS rarely ever faced full court pressure because it was pointless as he could not be trapped. And what's crazy is he could do so at such a slower pace. Methodical pace if you will.

I guess my main reason for putting SS over JC as a pure PG is he was better at not turning the ball over and got the ball past half court in less time because it was pointless(and maybe more dangerous) to full court pressure him. One other thing, SS was also great at using the full 10 seconds to get the ball past half court when we needed to run clock for the same reason.
I didn’t take it as a slam at all. We named our puppy Scoochie a few years ago so we loved him a lot. When Jalen first got here he immediately reminded me of SS so I have been comparing the 2 ever since.

What I’ve hard a time with is separating the aspects you pointed out to not see JC as hands down better because of his more offensive prowess and consistency. What made Scoochie so great (facilitator first) was what made me give Jalen a solid nod. I always felt Scoochie was at times too unselfish - especially when the team needed his scoring.

We didn’t see enough of the Davidson OT type games over the years even though I believe the capability was there more regularly.

Your analysis was great as it allowed me to look at things differently especially in the NBA context of this post. Either way, we have had a great 8 year run with both these guys.

I hope that JC can find a way down the line to live his dream and to do it playing with Obi. He’s been one of the all time great players and representatives of the university.
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I didn’t take it as a slam at all. We named our puppy Scoochie a few years ago so we loved him a lot. When Jalen first got here he immediately reminded me of SS so I have been comparing the 2 ever since.

What I’ve hard a time with is separating the aspects you pointed out to not see JC as hands down better because of his more offensive prowess and consistency. What made Scoochie so great (facilitator first) was what made me give Jalen a solid nod. I always felt Scoochie was at times too unselfish - especially when the team needed his scoring.

We didn’t see enough of the Davidson OT type games over the years even though I believe the capability was there more regularly.

Your analysis was great as it allowed me to look at things differently especially in the NBA context of this post. Either way, we have had a great 8 year run with both these guys.

I hope that JC can find a way down the line to live his dream and to do it playing with Obi. He’s been one of the all time great players and representatives of the university.
It's difficult to quantify, because there are so many factors. I mean, we are still kind of high because of last year, but the two previous years, JC wasn't really talked about as one of the great PGs in basketball. Who knows what happens if you gave Scoochie an Obi Toppin to play with. And Scoochie did lead us(quarterback us to be clearer) as a starter to 3 straight NCAA tournaments while being a key backup in his first season to Price.

When going into a game during Scooch's 3 years as a starter, we usually felt to be successful, we needed scoring from Pierre, Kendall, Jordan/Charles and plenty of fast break transition baskets(many coming from Kyle). Scooch was there to fill in the blanks sort of as points go. Sometimes we needed 20 from him, sometimes we only needed 6. With JC, we need him to put up double digits regardless. He's always been a top 2 scoring option.

But as you said, last 8 seasons, we've been covered at PG pretty well, actually 10 if you add in 2 seasons of Dillard(who I believe was a fantastic PG until he tried to become what JC and BRob actually are/were and that's the goto offensive option).
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It's difficult to quantify, because there are so many factors. I mean, we are still kind of high because of last year, but the two previous years, JC wasn't really talked about as one of the great PGs in basketball. Who knows what happens if you gave Scoochie an Obi Toppin to play with. And Scoochie did lead us(quarterback us to be clearer) as a starter to 3 straight NCAA tournaments while being a key backup in his first season to Price.

When going into a game during Scooch's 3 years as a starter, we usually felt to be successful, we needed scoring from Pierre, Kendall, Jordan/Charles and plenty of fast break transition baskets(many coming from Kyle). Scooch was there to fill in the blanks sort of as points go. Sometimes we needed 20 from him, sometimes we only needed 6. With JC, we need him to put up double digits regardless. He's always been a top 2 scoring option.

But as you said, last 8 seasons, we've been covered at PG pretty well, actually 10 if you add in 2 seasons of Dillard(who I believe was a fantastic PG until he tried to become what JC and BRob actually are/were and that's the goto offensive option).
I am hoping Malachi Smith continues the trend next season and we can extend that good streak of PG's from 10 to 14!
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I am hoping Malachi Smith continues the trend next season and we can extend that good streak of PG's from 10 to 14!
I know I shouldn't post this, but I guess it could be 11 to 15 if we consider that Staten was a real good PG with too much baggage.
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Crutcher plays suprisingly good defense. . . when he wants to. Frankly, Crutcher looks bored to me.
I haven't watched many games of other teams but I'd imagine with hardly any fans in the stands that plenty of players are feeling that way. Especially with 13K plus per game in normal times.

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GAMES: 103/138

PTS: 1344/1289
PPG: 13.0/9.3
RPG: 3.5/2.7
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APG: 5.0/3.6
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JALEN/SCOOCHIE career stats:

GAMES: 103/138

PTS: 1344/1289
PPG: 13.0/9.3
RPG: 3.5/2.7
AST: 514/498
APG: 5.0/3.6
STLS: 90/172
FG%: .443/.429
3PTFG: .378/.368
FT%: .774/.715
These numbers prove that Clutcher is a NBA prospect. His work on the DEEP outside shot fits perfectly into many NBA offenses. He may not get drafted, but he will get a good look at in someone's NBA camp. Right place, right time, and he will be in the NBA.
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Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
JALEN/SCOOCHIE career stats:

GAMES: 103/138

PTS: 1344/1289
PPG: 13.0/9.3
RPG: 3.5/2.7
AST: 514/498
APG: 5.0/3.6
STLS: 90/172
FG%: .443/.429
3PTFG: .378/.368
FT%: .774/.715
While the numbers favor JC and I agree he's a better player, I still believe that SS was the better PG/Quarterback. And the stat you left off that tilts it mostly for me is that SS averaged 1.8 TOVs a game while Jalen averages 2.4.

So let's take the two most commonly looked at stats by a PG. Assists vs TOVs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a single TOV is more a negative than a single assist is positive because a turnover means you lost a possession while an assist does not mean you saved a possession. If you miss out on an assist, you still might get the points on that possession via some other route. But if you turn it over, you lost any chance of points for that possession and doubly bad is lots of them turn into easy layups for the opposition.

Also, the assist per game stat is misleading. Yes, Jalen has the edge over Scooch, but realistically not by that much. It's skewed by the fact Jalen played 31 minutes and Scooch played 17.3 minutes a game as freshmen. and yes, that does effect the turnover stat also, but in seasons 2 through 4 when they both were starters, Scooch edges him out as the better ball protector.

But I've got to admit, I never ever would've thought that SS had that many more steals than JC. While I don't think of JC as some defensive phenom, I didn't think SS was that much better. But this stat helps close the gap as far as all around player(not enough to over take JC as all around player) because as negative as a turnover is, causing a turnover is equally positive.

One other thing I throw out there. What was the level of competition in A10 from 2013-2017 compared to 2017-2021? My opinion is that it was stronger, but I'm sure others might feel differently.

So again, I stand by my ranking that as far the main PG responsibilities go, SS>JC but as far as all around skills go, JC>SS.

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Added one glaring omission:

JALEN/SCOOCHIE career stats:

GAMES: 103/138

PTS: 1344/1289
PPG: 13.0/9.3
RPG: 3.5/2.7
AST: 514/498
APG: 5.0/3.6
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Scooch didn't flop, he was shot:

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B-Rob over all, but that's a weird comparison because he isn't a true PG. Gun to my head Scoochie vs Jalen I'd probably go Jalen but man is that a tough call. This is a "dream team" hypothetical though so it doesn't matter who I pick, the other will just come off the bench
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It has been great to have outstanding point guards for 8 consecutive years. Granted Scoochie was not the main point guard early in his freshman season.

The stats of the two guards does reflect the quality of the teams. Scoochie had an outstanding team for four consecutive years and was asked to do a bit less than Jalen. Offense was distributed which made Scoochie's job a bit easier.

Jalen played on a very weak and thin team his freshman year and was asked to do a lot. The team was more balance his sophomore year His junior year was some of the best if not best team in UD history, so his load was very balanced. This year the depth and experience and probably talent is a bit thin.

Scoochie had to start the offense. Jalen has often had to start and finish much more.
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B-Rob over all, but that's a weird comparison because he isn't a true PG. Gun to my head Scoochie vs Jalen I'd probably go Jalen but man is that a tough call. This is a "dream team" hypothetical though so it doesn't matter who I pick, the other will just come off the bench
none of them will just come off the bench!
we play Scoochie, Jalen and BRob
at the same time...

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The thread has gone in a different direction. My original point was that, in my opinion, Jalen salvaged his professional prospects with his national TV performance against Davidson. His market value was declining, and I'm sure that he has been crossed off many of the preseason award lists that he is on. I think he has a good shot at making a team in the NBA.
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This thread makes me think of those "Decade Dream Team" or "Best Players of the Last 20 Years at Each Position" threads that we used to have.

It makes me think about the success of the program for the last 10 years. One of my kids was born in the year of the Elite Eight. That period has seen a lot of success for UDMBB. There have been some very good players and teams in recent history.
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It was the 2nd gunman...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F33k-lTb4Q
In our recent win over Davidson, the announcer was shocked by the depth of Jalen's
one 3 pt make. He pointed out it was attempted and made from the second D in DAVIDSON. (on their home floor).

In that UTube clip above Scoochie made one on the same DAVIDSON floor, and sure enough it was from the second D on that same floor!
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Clutcher saved his profesional basketball career. He played like an NBA quality guard tonight. A few more of these and he might get drafted.
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The thread has gone in a different direction. My original point was that, in my opinion, Jalen salvaged his professional prospects with his national TV performance against Davidson. His market value was declining, and I'm sure that he has been crossed off many of the preseason award lists that he is on. I think he has a good shot at making a team in the NBA.
I think even prior to the Davidson game, there was enough tape and eyes on Jalen that one game and even this “different “ COVID season wouldn’t change opinions much. I think the T. J. McConnell comparison is a good one. I don’t think Jalen has enough freakish athletic ability/talent to get drafted. Only 60 players get drafted. I do think that he has enough talent and high enough basketball IQ to get a legitimate shot at the NBA.
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I think even prior to the Davidson game, there was enough tape and eyes on Jalen that one game and even this “different “ COVID season wouldn’t change opinions much. I think the T. J. McConnell comparison is a good one. I don’t think Jalen has enough freakish athletic ability/talent to get drafted. Only 60 players get drafted. I do think that he has enough talent and high enough basketball IQ to get a legitimate shot at the NBA.
This is most likely true. As you say, only 60 get drafted. But to take that further, very, very few are seniors. And a decent portion are from other countries that we just don't know who they are yet. I don't see it.

Here's a few questions. What's the odds of : Crutcher getting drafted. McKinley Wright getting drafted. Crutcher and Wright getting drafted. They really are similar in stats and Wright's gotten the best of the matchup two out of two times.

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As someone else mentioned once, I think in a another thread, if Marcus Howard and Myles Powell didn't get drafted last year, that probably doesn't bode well for Jalen's chances of being drafted. Picking up with a team as a fee agent signee might be a different story.
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I think even prior to the Davidson game, there was enough tape and eyes on Jalen that one game and even this “different “ COVID season wouldn’t change opinions much. I think the T. J. McConnell comparison is a good one. I don’t think Jalen has enough freakish athletic ability/talent to get drafted. Only 60 players get drafted. I do think that he has enough talent and high enough basketball IQ to get a legitimate shot at the NBA.
Kostas says hello at #60. Miracles do happen and I called that one. Jalen has a chance with enough games left to possibly move the needle. But he has to help the Flyers excel and steal some headlines the remainder of this season.
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Kostas is 6'10" with athletic skills and length. Far different from JC in a game played largely by big men.
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Kostas is 6'10" with athletic skills and length. Far different from JC in a game played largely by big men.
Also, he was only a Sophomore. And most importantly there's nobody out there named Giannis Crutcher that I know of.
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Scooch didnt start til late in Season 1 I believe.

Also SS brought the ball up and set up the offense . Broke presses. So his hands were pretty full. Whereas Crutch had lots of help the past 2 years and it's a MUCH different offense each run/ran.

Scooch coulda scored a few more per game.



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Scooch didnt start til late in Season 1 I believe.

Also SS brought the ball up and set up the offense . Broke presses. So his hands were pretty full. Whereas Crutch had lots of help the past 2 years and it's a MUCH different offense each run/ran.

Scooch coulda scored a few more per game.



BROB best shooter BY far.
Ss best true pg.
Crutch best all around.

I'd take Crutch if only 1 allowed.
Finally,someone who agrees with my ratings lol

Scoochie started only one game during his freshman season against Illinois St. in one of those all too often shocking early season losses after we were either in the top 25 or knocking on the door.

But not starting was a result of having a great ball handler in Khari Price to bring him up slower. Jalen had to start because, well, okay I'll say it, we only had John Crosby.

I do believe that Scoochie was a better player in his first two seasons than Jalen was in his. Especially his sophomore season when he was the only real PG on the team and we only had 7 scholarship players. Scoochie's rise was a nice smooth gradual improvement while Jalen's was one of big leaps each season.
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this thread has gone in a different
direction, but I am enjoying it.. back
to Jalen, he has to turn it on to
another level like I know he can and
sustain it... rest of the season will
tell.. but, there isn't too much I
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to Jalen, he has to turn it on to
another level like I know he can and
sustain it... rest of the season will
tell.. but, there isn't too much I
think Jalen Crutcher CANNOT do...


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Then I want to see a between the legs slam.
Then, I want to see a high level
performance for the rest of the season

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Originally Posted by Smitty10 View Post
Finally,someone who agrees with my ratings lol

I do believe that Scoochie was a better player in his first two seasons than Jalen was in his. Especially his sophomore season when he was the only real PG on the team and we only had 7 scholarship players. Scoochie's rise was a nice smooth gradual improvement while Jalen's was one of big leaps each season.
I also agree with your ratings...however I'm not sure Scoochie was a better player than Jalen in his first two years.
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