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Originally Posted by Tony T 71 View Post
Anthony Grant made the decision to bring him back. I'm sure much thought went into it.

Nobody on this board knows the true story of why he asked for his release
Nobody knows the true reasons for his wanting to leave, but we can certainly surmise that it was because of an emotional, knee-jerk reaction to something he was unhappy about. Otherwise, no other explanation for his changing of mind within a couple weeks.
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Maybe he found that there were no scholarships available elsewhere for a high turnover, low percentage shooting, point guard that can't make free throws???
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I can't wait for him to shut all of the haters up this year lol... just watch

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Originally Posted by ryleflyer View Post
I am undecided about whether he should be back, but I do agree kids make mistakes and should sometimes get a second chance. I do think Crosby will help, just not see him as a game changer. I can tell you though, that he is currently not listed on the roster for next season on UD website.
Back on the roster. That didn't take long.

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Sounds to me that maybe Anthony Grant disciplined his players as appropriate when they screwed up. Some kids don't like that.

Now, if you play football at Alabama, you can just go ahead and do whatever you want. Saban will talk the police out of getting involved. If you do something really terrible, maybe you'll have to sit out a series against a Division 2 cupcake. But no big deal really.
That's my take on this, too. If there's enough truth to the "connect the dots" stories I've seen so far, then CAG may just be trying to emphasize some concepts like "classwork" is important (to those players who blew-off the classes), "team" is important (even if you weren't guilty of blowing-off classes), and "discipline" is important (as in, "I'm the coach, and that means my butt is on the line, so you'll do things my way"). It also seems that he tried to enforce similar principles at 'Bama. If that's what this is about, then Coach, you have my full support.

On to Crosby: If he had to run laps because of something someone else did, that he didn't do, I can see why he'd be pi$$ed. But he also needs to realize that this could be part of the deal with CAG. And, frankly, I'd have thought this would have been part of the deal with TrueTeam: if 1 person screws-up, we all pay; if 1 person does something great, we all benefit. Regardless, I was a 20-year-old hothead once, too, and I thank God that no one gave me a "life sentence" for mistakes I made in the heat of the moment 35 years ago. If his teammates and coaches are good with him coming back, then I'm good with it, too. He seemed to be a good kid and a good teammate these past 2 years. I'm looking forward to seeing him finish the job in his next 2 years at UD.

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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 View Post
I can't wait for him to shut all of the haters up this year lol... just watch

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If you enjoy seeing haters shut up, look back through Maddog's posts on Darrell Davis. They seemed to stop half way through last season.
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I have a good feeling about Crosby this year. Not saying he is all-A10 or anything, but I think he establishes himself as the starter and is able to stabilize the offense. I think he could end up being the most improved player in the A10.
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I have a good feeling about Crosby this year. Not saying he is all-A10 or anything, but I think he establishes himself as the starter and is able to stabilize the offense. I think he could end up being the most improved player in the A10.
We end up in a good place if this comes to pass
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I have a good feeling about Crosby this year. Not saying he is all-A10 or anything, but I think he establishes himself as the starter and is able to stabilize the offense. I think he could end up being the most improved player in the A10.
As I kind of said in another thread, let's hope hes battling for that award with Darrell Davis and Sam Miller. If that's the case, we're in for a great season.

In all seriousness, Crosby's out of control and turning over the ball issues are correctable I believe. He certainly has the athletic ability to be a force. The only thing that concerns me is his shooting, both FGs and FTs. I just never liked his shooting style. I don't know if AG has the assistants to correct this because based on AG's own shooting issues while a player, I doubt he can. This is a big area of concern with me as far as losing AM is concerned. He certainly had the magic touch into improving a players shooting ability.

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I have a good feeling about Crosby this year. Not saying he is all-A10 or anything, but I think he establishes himself as the starter and is able to stabilize the offense. I think he could end up being the most improved player in the A10.
I love your enthusiasm, but you do realize that the prior staff lost almost all confidence in him toward the end of the season. He played a total of 4 minutes in the most important games of the season against Davidson and Wichita State.
I hope he's made a tremendous improvement in his decision making, but if he's anything like he was toward the end of the season he will be a back up.
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I love your enthusiasm, but you do realize that the prior staff lost almost all confidence in him toward the end of the season. He played a total of 4 minutes in the most important games of the season against Davidson and Wichita State.
I hope he's made a tremendous improvement in his decision making, but if he's anything like he was toward the end of the season he will be a back up.
The flip side of the coin could be that at in late season it's time to ride Scoochie for every minute possible
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I love your enthusiasm, but you do realize that the prior staff lost almost all confidence in him toward the end of the season. He played a total of 4 minutes in the most important games of the season against Davidson and Wichita State.
I hope he's made a tremendous improvement in his decision making, but if he's anything like he was toward the end of the season he will be a back up.
I wouldn't call it "losing confidence". You don't know that. It depends on a lot of things that determines a players' playing time. One is that if you are backing up the best player on the team at the most important position on the team, in the most important game of the season, and there's no big separation of the score, you leave your best, most important player in there as much as possible.

Mikesell also had his minutes go down drastically during those games. They probably didn't lose confidence, just decided they had a better chance to win giving Scoochie all the minutes he can handle because they know that Crosby does not improve your chances. They knew that in game one and they knew that in game 32. Game 32 however was a game of no tomorrows. It's not to be used to develop a player for next year and beyond.
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Certainly hope for improvement, but after two years, you sort of know what you have. It's unlikely there will be great strides made, more likely minor improvements. Will be happy to be wrong, but not going to hold my breath.
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I love your enthusiasm, but you do realize that the prior staff lost almost all confidence in him toward the end of the season. He played a total of 4 minutes in the most important games of the season against Davidson and Wichita State.
I hope he's made a tremendous improvement in his decision making, but if he's anything like he was toward the end of the season he will be a back up.
they didn't lose all confidence in him, incorrect.. they chose to give the most minutes to one of the greatest point guards in the schools history, is that okay? if not, tell me why not..

if he is anything like he was towards the end of the season, etc..... didn't he win a game for us towards the end of the season... actually his play was getting better...

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Certainly hope for improvement, but after two years, you sort of know what you have. It's unlikely there will be great strides made, more likely minor improvements. Will be happy to be wrong, but not going to hold my breath.
Yeah, no. It doesn't quite work that way with a PG(nor any other position for that matter) buried on the bench for his Freshman and Sophomore season by one of the greatest PGs in the history of your program. You don't know what someone has until he has a chance to own it. I'm going out on limb here and say that at no time in his first two years here did AM ever give him a chance to earn a starter's position.
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Yeah, no. It doesn't quite work that way with a PG(nor any other position for that matter) buried on the bench for his Freshman and Sophomore season by one of the greatest PGs in the history of your program. You don't know what someone has until he has a chance to own it. I'm going out on limb here and say that at no time in his first two years here did AM ever give him a chance to earn a starter's position.
I could be wrong, but I'm a firm believer that AM would have loved to have rested Scooch more if Crosby had played better. It's not about earning a starter's position over Scoochie. That wasn't going to happen. But when given the opportunity to play, outside of just a couple games, we saw the same thing in every single game. Plus, you develop way more in practice than in games. Being "the guy" now isn't going to suddenly change his high dribble, or his propensity to drive into traffic with no plan.
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Bottom line, he quit. Not interested. Next. Trust Anthony Grant.
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It's called being a team and holding others accountable.

Military, police academy, sports....it's amazing how other's get into compliance when they are pressured by the responsible ones. It's also amazing how peers take care of business when they get punished for the acts of others.

It's as simple as when the entire team has 27 seconds to run a suicide...and if one doesn't make it...everyone hits it again. That's what teams do. Start as a team end as a team, hold each other accountable, and reach the end goal as one.
I partially agree, but then you tweak it... you do NOT treat everyone the same, you treat everyone within different groups in this situation the same... here is what I would do: have them all run laps at the start, and at some point gradually pull the innocent ones as you see fit, until you only have the guilty ones running, and run them extra. that's how you do it IMO...
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bottom line, he is coming back with Anthony Grant's support and blessing... Trust Anthony Grant... next.

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Certainly hope for improvement, but after two years, you sort of know what you have. It's unlikely there will be great strides made, more likely minor improvements. Will be happy to be wrong, but not going to hold my breath.
If i were JC, I'd study film of the best foul shooters on the planet, then I'd pick a style I could most closely adapt to- contact CAG for a plan, then shoot 500 foul shots per day in groups of 10 AFTER running up and down the court twice to simulate game play. I would do this until i could hit 8/10 consistently. But thats just me...
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I'll admit I wasn't too​ sad about his transfer news. I am also not overjoyed at his return.

But I will say it does demonstrate some character if indeed at some point he had to eat some crow and go in and apologize to CAG and ask back on the team. A lot (and I mean a LOT) of people can never admit their mistakes. And good for CAG too if he also kept the door open. Too often something like this becomes a D*** measuring contest... And there are no winners.
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I partially agree, but then you tweak it... you do NOT treat everyone the same, you treat everyone within different groups in this situation the same... here is what I would do: have them all run laps at the start, and at some point gradually pull the innocent ones as you see fit, until you only have the guilty ones running, and run them extra. that's how you do it IMO...
You win as a team, lose as a team, and discipline as a team. There isn't a college basketball coach in the country who would discipline as you're suggesting. I can't imagine any coach at any level who would do such a thing.

My baseball coach had a rule back in my day about no facial hair. One of the seniors had gone several days without shaving and when asked by the coach why he hadn't shaved, he responded with a sarcastic, "We ran out of hot water," with a grin on his face. The entire team ran laps around the high school for what seemed like an hour. It ****ed us all of, but it makes you realize it isn't about you as an individual, and that your actions and words affects the team.
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You win as a team, lose as a team, and discipline as a team. There isn't a college basketball coach in the country who would discipline as you're suggesting. I can't imagine any coach at any level who would do such a thing.
I can imagine, and actually know for a fact that type of thing happens in the NBA. As for college, there is no waaaay you could know that, and I'd be willing to bet some players get special treatment and some are the whipping boy. Out of 347 possible instances you think they all coach the same way in this regard????? get out of here...

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My baseball coach had a rule back in my day about no facial hair. One of the seniors had gone several days without shaving and when asked by the coach why he hadn't shaved, he responded with a sarcastic, "We ran out of hot water," with a grin on his face. The entire team ran laps around the high school for what seemed like an hour. It ****ed us all of, but it makes you realize it isn't about you as an individual, and that your actions and words affects the team.
Wow, good story, when was this, 1960's???
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I can't wait for him to shut all of the haters up this year lol... just watch

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If this is going to happen, he has a lot of work to do. High level talent isn't just going to appear - a lot of room for improvement. I hope he does it, but let's not kid ourselves that he's going to magically stop hitting 3rd row fans in the earhole with errant passes.
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You win as a team, lose as a team, and discipline as a team. There isn't a college basketball coach in the country who would discipline as you're suggesting. I can't imagine any coach at any level who would do such a thing.

My baseball coach had a rule back in my day about no facial hair. One of the seniors had gone several days without shaving and when asked by the coach why he hadn't shaved, he responded with a sarcastic, "We ran out of hot water," with a grin on his face. The entire team ran laps around the high school for what seemed like an hour. It ****ed us all of, but it makes you realize it isn't about you as an individual, and that your actions and words affects the team.
no, not always that is the case... In basic training, 2 recruits tossed paper in a trash can absent mindedly just before a main inspection... did the drill sergeant have everyone do pushups or run? no, just the two guilty ones... NO!, I was not one of the two... just remembering an incident that did occur...)

you are bonding the team by running them.... then extra for the guilty, not a thing wrong with that IMO....

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If this is going to happen, he has a lot of work to do. High level talent isn't just going to appear - a lot of room for improvement. I hope he does it, but let's not kid ourselves that he's going to magically stop hitting 3rd row fans in the earhole with errant passes.
maybe he can start hitting 2nd and 1st row fans....) oh I hope he understands not every coach would take him back under the circumstances.. He has a golden opportunity in front of him, if he devotes the time, we could be in for a nice surprise... hope so
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I don't know why people of differing opinions are all lumped into the hater category. I think it's lazy.. I really really appreciate what you bring to the board personally but I've never hated the guy or the player. I'm just not reserved enough to not criticize when I see justification to do so. I hope he does improve but I won't be afraid to criticize if he doesn't​. He's got a long way to go with handling the ball imo. I hope you're right but I believe a slight improvement at best. The guy plateaued two years ago. I saw some improvement late last year but it's not like he turned it around. He still made bonehead plays with the ball.
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I don't know if he will perform or not. What I do know is that it seems like plenty here WANT him to fail. That's like those that WANT Trump to fail because they don't like him. No matter my stance on the issues, both those individuals are in positions to greatly affect things I love - UD hoops and the USA.

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I don't know if he will perform or not. What I do know is that it seems like plenty here WANT him to fail. That's like those that WANT Trump to fail because they don't like him. No matter my stance on the issues, both those individuals are in positions to greatly affect things I love - UD hoops and the USA.

Regardless of my opinion, I WANT them to succeed to better those things.

Welcome back, John, and know that I'm rooting for you and the team regardless!
Sorry, don't see that. Who on here wants him to fail? If he fails, the Flyers fail, and I'm pretty sure no one wants the Flyers to fail.
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Everyone here wants the team and thus each player to succeed, however, not all players are of equal caliber and reality needs to be addressed. Everyone hopes that JC makes a huge leap next year for the team's sake, but they say you make your biggest jump between freshman and sophomore years. We'll see.
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I wrote this way earlier in the thread and it still applies for me.

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As a noted critic of Crosby's in game performance I would be happy to see him come back. I have tried to be positive when I can with him (George Mason game), and I hope that he can improve with more consistent playing time. A fresh start with a new coaching staff and system could also be good for him. I think he may have read too many tweets and message board posts and gotten down on himself and just wanted out. I hope he understands that nobody who was critical of his play disliked him as a person. UD fans on here and twitter just want UD to win and sometimes our passion comes out in a negative way. At no point do I think anybody wishes anything bad upon any UD player.
While some people have been more critical than I have I don't think they truly want him to fail as some people have said. I actually think the most critical posters just want to be "right" on a message board so they can tell everybody how smart they are.

Do I think Crosby will be become a great point guard? No. I would be happy if he could be simply be Khari Price. Don't try to do too much. Just get the ball up the court, get the ball to the offensive weapons, and play good defense. I will continue to be critical when he plays poorly, but I will also give him credit when he does things well. I don't need to be "right" about everything(except the uniforms), but there are some people who do.

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I wrote this way earlier in the thread and it still applies for me.



While some people have been more critical than I have I don't think they truly want him to fail as some people have said. I actually think the most critical posters just want to be "right" on a message board so they can tell everybody how smart they are.

Do I think Crosby will be become a great point guard? No. I would be happy if he could be simply be Khari Price. Don't try to do too much. Just get the ball up the court, get the ball to the offensive weapons, and play good defense. I will continue to be critical when he plays poorly, but I will also give him credit when he does things well. I don't need to be "right" about everything(except the uniforms), but there are some people who do.
Honestly, I believe he can be much more dynamic than Khari Price. Khari was basically just a ball handler. He could shoot 3s and was great from the FT line but he didn't do either often. What he didn't do was turn the ball over. He wasn't great at finding the open man either.

Just by the things Crosby tries to do tells me that he's got the ability to be a playmaker. I personally think his issues are in his head, not in his skills. He's impatient and hasn't learned the tricks to using his speed. Basically I think he gets too pumped up when he gets into a game because he didn't have much time on the court to prove himself. I'm guessing we've all been in that situation at some time in our lives. Where we maybe sat on the bench and then when our number was called we were maybe a little nervous but also had the adrenaline kick in that we were going too fast. He just seems to have that more than normal.

I'm guessing that when/if his minutes rise to a significant amount, he'll settle down and play to the best of his abilities. What most concerns me is that he was able to sit and watch Scoochie Smith for 2 seasons and it seems he never learned or tried to emulate those things that made Scoochie such a great point guard. That makes it seem like he lives in his own world and is oblivious to learning from others.

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Honestly, I believe he can be much more dynamic than Khari Price. Khari was basically just a ball handler. He could shoot 3s and was great from the FT line but he didn't do either often. What he didn't do was turn the ball over. He wasn't great at finding the open man either.

Just by the things Crosby tries to do tells me that he's got the ability to be a playmaker. I personally think his issues are in his head, not in his skills. He's impatient and hasn't learned the tricks to using his speed. Basically I think he gets too pumped up when he gets into a game because he didn't have much time on the court to prove himself. I'm guessing we've all been in that situation at some time in our lives. Where we maybe sat on the bench and then when our number was called we were maybe a little nervous but also had the adrenaline kick in that we were going too fast. He just seems to have that more than normal.

I'm guessing that when/if his minutes rise to a significant amount, he'll settle down and play to the best of his abilities. What most concerns me is that he was able to sit and watch Scoochie Smith for 2 seasons and it seems he never learned or tried to emulate those things that made Scoochie such a great point guard. That makes it seem like he lives in his own world and is oblivious to learning from others.
I'm not greedy. I just want him to be a point guard who can play defense and not turn the ball over. I do think he has the talent to be more than that, but at this point I'd be happy with Khari Price with good knees.
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Sea Bass, I think he's been plain indecisive. Whether trying to score or pass. I agree with Smitty that most is in his head. Would explain what I see as indecisiveness. I expect a pg to be a facilitator first.
JC has a penchant for telegraghing his passes. He's had quite a few cross-court passes picked as a result. Inside in close quarters he's dished it well I think. I just don't think his longer passes are delivered on time because his 'windup' motion tells the defense it's coming.
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He was an embarrassment his 1st 2 years...he was a great competitor thereafter...he got his confidence up and frequently carried the team. Who didn't like Matt after working so hard to improve his game!
I didn't.

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Freshman year showed real promise by scoring 1 ppg and 1 rpg
Sophomore year showed an amazing 100% improvement 2 ppg and 2 rpg

He was an embarrassment his 1st 2 years...he was a great competitor thereafter...he got his confidence up and frequently carried the team. Who didn't like Matt after working so hard to improve his game!
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Center Matt Kavanaugh was UD’s Chris Daniels Memorial Award winner for the 2011-2012 season. After averaging 1.9 points and 2.3 rebounds a game, and shooting .451 (23-of-51) from the field and .571 (16-of 28) from the line in 30 games as a sophomore, Kavanaugh upped those numbers to 9.0, 5.9, .546 (113-of-207) and .807 (71-of-88) in 33 starts. He was second on the team in rebounding and led in offensive rebounds (2.9) and was second in FG% (.546, 113-for-207). The last UD player to shoot that well over a season was Sean Finn, who shot .688 in 2003-04.
Kavanaugh’s .546 field goal percentage ranked seventh in the Atlantic 10 and his 97 offensive rebounds were the fifth-most in a single season in school history.

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Against USC Upstate, Kavanaugh netted 11 points on 5-of 7 shooting. At Temple he scored 14 points on 6-of-9 shooting and hauled in six rebounds. In the victory over La Salle, Kavanaugh recorded a career-high of 23 points on 5-of-8 shooting and hauled in nine rebounds. In that game, he netted a career-high 13 free throws on 14 attempts.

On Jan. 23, Kavanaugh was named Co-Player of the week in the Atlantic 10 for his performance against Xavier. He scored 20 points on 8-of-9 shooting and had nine rebounds. He had 12 points on 5-of-10 shooting against Rhode Island and 17 points on 7-of-11 shooting against Duquesne. At Xavier, Kavanaugh had a double-double of 11 points and 11 rebounds. Kavanaugh then recorded back-to-back double-doubles as he had 12 points and 11 rebounds at Duquesne.

In the following game versus UMass, Kavanaugh hauled in 10 rebounds for the third consecutive game. The last Flyer to achieve this feat was Chris Wright during the 2008-09 season (Nov. 25-29, 2008). In the regular season finale versus George Washington, he tallied 15 points on 5-of-9 shooting from the field and grabbed eight rebounds."

Pretty good if you ask me...vs bouncing the ball more off his head then on the floor (1st and 2nd year)
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JC often leaves his feet and then has to make a decision when the shot doesn't materialize ... bad pass is on the way
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I think John's flaws are so fundamental that if our new staff addresses the issues with film and practice, the flaws are fixable. He, Jalen, DD, and/or Mr. TBD if he is a pg, will all need plenty of schooling for us to succeed. Time for the staff to step up to development and split the minutes however the cards fall.
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JC often leaves his feet and then has to make a decision when the shot doesn't materialize ... bad pass is on the way
Yep and that is his biggest weakness and one of his real few,albeit, a big one. There is NOTHING good with leaving your feet with no plan in sight unless your Kobe, Lebron, or Jordan and even those guys had their their share of TO's..

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JC often leaves his feet and then has to make a decision when the shot doesn't materialize ... bad pass is on the way
Often?? Really, how often?

I'll will give you a hint. Crosby averaged one turnover per game played.
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... and one assist.
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Yep and that is his biggest weakness and one of his real few,albeit, a big one.
False... His biggest weakness is 44% from FT... DEAD LAST on Team for players playing more than 10 games...

And he's a point guard...
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Often?? Really, how often?

I'll will give you a hint. Crosby averaged one turnover per game played.
Actually 34 in 32 games, and actually only played 424 minutes, which means he had more turnovers per minute than any other player on the team
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False... His biggest weakness is 44% from FT... DEAD LAST on Team for players playing more than 10 games...

And he's a point guard...
Maybe he should shoot them from behind the arc--48%. When I pointed that out earlier about his 3pt shooting, someone posted that it was too small of a sample to be meaningful (11/23).

Since he played in all 32 games, I guess his 27 attempted free throws is too small of a sample as well. And there is a pretty good thread of logic in that observation.
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Maybe he should shoot them from behind the arc--48%. When I pointed that out earlier about his 3pt shooting, someone posted that it was too small of a sample to be meaningful (11/23).

Since he played in all 32 games, I guess his 27 attempted free throws is too small of a sample as well. And there is a pretty good thread of logic in that observation.
Let's just say that his 424 minutes were too small of a sample size and we'll all pretend that he wasn't terrible last year.
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Or you could look at this way. The average time in minutes between an actual real game freethrow at the rate John shoots 2 is about 4,320 minutes. I'm just guessing that most bench players would be around 50% shooting free throws that far apart in those small attempts.
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False... His biggest weakness is 44% from FT... DEAD LAST on Team for players playing more than 10 games...

And he's a point guard...
False. Shooting an average of 0.84 FT's (that's well less than 1 per game) per game might cost them just less than <1 point per game based on his 44% . His 1.06 TO avg. per game might create a swing of 4-6 points in one possession. Far easier to get back and play D after a missed FT than a TO out by mid-court...I'd say that's a bit more of a weakness.

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His biggest weakness was...multiple, imo. But the biggest void was that of a team leader. The rest of the team had absolutely no fortitude to rally when JC came into the game. Mental let down for the rest of the team knowing you have an incapable point guard. As the QB he Ryan Leaf-ed it..
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John was what he was and most of that was his doing and his to improve on next season. I do think he wasn't done any favors with some of the combo of players he had on the floor with him.
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One thing when talking about turnovers, they were probably worse than his TO rate per minutes reflect. Remember, he spent a lot more time on the floor this season with Scoochie due to injuries to DD, KD and CC. That means there were minutes that were played as a SG rather than a PG.

Let's face it, unless one of our freshman PGs turn into a freshman Johnny Davis, we're going to see a lot more minutes out of John Crosby. No longer will the debate be about sample size. If his cumulative stats from last year are doubled or tripled, there probably won't even be a debate, we'll all be on the same page. His flaws will be magnified. So, any talk of how bad he's been is either beating a dead horse or a prediction toward the future. The answer awaits us if it's a prediction. My prediction is that he'll be much improved. He has to be or it will look like a clown show out there.
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Let's just say that his 424 minutes were too small of a sample size and we'll all pretend that he wasn't terrible last year.
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False. Shooting an average of 0.84 FT's (that's well less than 1 per game) per game might cost them just less than <1 point per game based on his 44% . His 1.06 TO avg. per game might create a swing of 4-6 points in one possession. Far easier to get back and play D after a missed FT than a TO out by mid-court...I'd say that's a bit more of a weakness.
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His biggest weakness was...multiple, imo. But the biggest void was that of a team leader. The rest of the team had absolutely no fortitude to rally when JC came into the game. Mental let down for the rest of the team knowing you have an incapable point guard. As the QB he Ryan Leaf-ed it..

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Actually 34 in 32 games, and actually only played 424 minutes, which means he had more turnovers per minute than any other player on the team
Thanks, I stand corrected. Crosby averaged 1.0625.
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I think we will see a different player next year. People change when they know they have a real opportunity to contribute. Not saying he will be all league but we all might be surprised. We saw glimpses when he was really good. Now he just needs to realize that with better preparation he could make us really competitive. It is easy to jump on his faults as we have several players but I choose to stay positive and expect with different coaching he will be an improved contributor.
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His biggest weakness was...multiple, imo. But the biggest void was that of a team leader. The rest of the team had absolutely no fortitude to rally when JC came into the game. Mental let down for the rest of the team knowing you have an incapable point guard. As the QB he Ryan Leaf-ed it..
In his favor, I will point you to the George Mason game last year. We were up 48-47, and Crosby nearly single handedly keyed a 20-0 run to put that game away.

Ok, he had no assists during the run. But he had rebounds and scored 12 points. If we can see more of that guy next year... There is hope.
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One thing when talking about turnovers, they were probably worse than his TO rate per minutes reflect. Remember, he spent a lot more time on the floor this season with Scoochie due to injuries to DD, KD and CC. That means there were minutes that were played as a SG rather than a PG.

Let's face it, unless one of our freshman PGs turn into a freshman Johnny Davis, we're going to see a lot more minutes out of John Crosby. No longer will the debate be about sample size. If his cumulative stats from last year are doubled or tripled, there probably won't even be a debate, we'll all be on the same page. His flaws will be magnified. So, any talk of how bad he's been is either beating a dead horse or a prediction toward the future. The answer awaits us if it's a prediction. My prediction is that he'll be much improved. He has to be or it will look like a clown show out there.
Hopefully, we see the flashes become more the norm.

It may be strictly perception, but it too seemed to me that Crosby was hurrying as opposed to playing fast. It looked to me like that caused an issue with the transition from his final dribble to the pass or shot. The final result being a turnover or unsteady shot.

Before the transfer, not transfer, I was hoping that not playing in someone's shadow would allow him to better play within himself and lead to a decrease in mistakes. He does flash at times. So likewise, I think he can make solid improvement. If not, we will probably know pretty quickly at which point we will need the new JC to be the new and improved JC.
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Thanks, I stand corrected. Crosby averaged 1.0625.
Scooch vs Crosby with Crosby's stats stretched out to equal Scooch's minutes
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TOs 70 80
Steals 51 28
points 442 209
assists 144 92
FGs 145 78
FGA 310 233
FTs 98 28
FTA 170 64

I realize that Scooch was great. But those numbers are astronomical in comparison to Crosby. Except, turnovers. So you're right that his turnovers aren't that horrendous. But honestly, there's really nothing good about Crosby if he provides those kind of numbers with Scoochie's minutes. Nothing. The only good thing would be with his poor ft shooting, he wouldn't get to the line much.

Funny thing is the only stat that he excels over scoochie was his 3 point percentage. However, is there any member of UD Pride with the game on the line, would rather Crosby take the 3 over Scoochie?

This tells me that Crosby had a terrible year as a sophomore. No amount of lipstick is going to make it prettier. But that doesn't tell me how he's going to play next season and while his play failed both the stats and eye test, his potential did pass the eye test with me. I expect better things. We will know soon enough.

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Lets face it, Crosby could average 20 points, 10 assists, and 3 turnovers a game next season, and many would still focus on just the 3 turnovers and talk about how they wish he had left.
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Lets face it, Crosby could average 20 points, 10 assists, and 3 turnovers a game next season, and many would still focus on just the 3 turnovers and talk about how they wish he had left.
Seriously? You act like Crosby was being attacked for no reason. If he'd even had one game with those stats, EVER, you might have a point, but it's not like he's done great things and not getting credit for them. And his TOs stand out because they got bunched together in not only a group of games, but sometimes a group of minutes during a game. Personally before looking at the stats, I thought his TOs were worse and it's not because I have anything against the guy.
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Seriously? You act like Crosby was being attacked for no reason. If he'd even had one game with those stats, EVER, you might have a point, but it's not like he's done great things and not getting credit for them. And his TOs stand out because they got bunched together in not only a group of games, but sometimes a group of minutes during a game. Personally before looking at the stats, I thought his TOs were worse and it's not because I have anything against the guy.
Did I say he had those stats? NO
Did I say he would have those stats? NO
Did I say he would be attacked for the 3 turnovers in my hypothetical example? YES. A good example is where you say "I thought his turnovers were worse". Why did you think that?

For the record, Crosby averaged one turnover every 12.4 minutes played, compared to one every 14.2 minutes played for Schoochie. So when you look at that over the course of a 40 minute game, not much difference.

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Did I say he had those stats? NO
Did I say he would have those stats? NO
Did I say he would be attacked for the 3 turnovers in my hypothetical example? YES. A good example is where you say "I thought his turnovers were worse". Why did you think that?

For the record, Crosby averaged one turnover every 12.4 minutes played, compared to one every 14.2 minutes played for Schoochie. So when you look at that over the course of a 40 minute game, not much difference.

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Okay, I am aware his season turnover rate isn't that bad, I admitted it in previous posts. However, I doubt if he'd have those stats that anyone would say they wish he hadn't come back. I think you're exaggerating and I've seen that same argument made in other cases on other message boards. Such as "The Browns could win 10 super bowls in a row and there'd still be fans complaining." Umm, how about they even get to one and have complaints before making a statement like that. So my point to you is how about Crosby have even a game with 20 points and 10 assists before making a statement like that.
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Lets face it, Crosby could average 20 points, 10 assists, and 3 turnovers a game next season, and many would still focus on just the 3 turnovers and talk about how they wish he had left.
When you face it it usually means you're facing facts. You present pure bs with that claim because only maddog would find something wrong with that stat line. Everyone wants him to succeed. Sorry if the truth is hard for you to bear and you feel you have to throw a life-saver in to help bail him out but such is life.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan View Post
Did I say he had those stats? NO
Did I say he would have those stats? NO
Did I say he would be attacked for the 3 turnovers in my hypothetical example? YES. A good example is where you say "I thought his turnovers were worse". Why did you think that?

For the record, Crosby averaged one turnover every 12.4 minutes played, compared to one every 14.2 minutes played for Schoochie. So when you look at that over the course of a 40 minute game, not much difference.

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It's a lot more complicated than that, and everyone knows it. The offense sputtered when Crosby was in, even if he wasn't committing turnovers. How many times, when Scooch got into foul trouble, Crosby was out there with the big boys and we lost leads, sometimes big leads. I can't be the only one who cringed when he came into the game. So, it's not just about turnovers, and people should not just throw around stats to justify one position or another. We all saw the games with our own eyes, and many times, it was pretty darn ugly when he was in the game.
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It's a lot more complicated than that, and everyone knows it. The offense sputtered when Crosby was in, even if he wasn't committing turnovers. How many times, when Scooch got into foul trouble, Crosby was out there with the big boys and we lost leads, sometimes big leads. I can't be the only one who cringed when he came into the game. So, it's not just about turnovers, and people should not just throw around stats to justify one position or another. We all saw the games with our own eyes, and many times, it was pretty darn ugly when he was in the game.
Yes, I too stated many times when John came flying down the court "slow down". John Wooden had a famous quote "Be quick, but don't hurry". He needs to learn that motto and take it to heart. It's really about decision making. Hopefully he can improve on this.
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Scooch vs Crosby with Crosby's stats stretched out to equal Scooch's minutes
Scooch Crosby
TOs 70 80
Steals 51 28
points 442 209
assists 144 92
FGs 145 78
FGA 310 233
FTs 98 28
FTA 170 64
Is this comparing Crosby's sophomore stats to Scoochie's senior stats or are they both soph stats?
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Is this comparing Crosby's sophomore stats to Scoochie's senior stats or are they both soph stats?
It's last season's stats.
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Is this comparing Crosby's sophomore stats to Scoochie's senior stats or are they both soph stats?
Here's what soph vs soph looks like: Still very lopsided. But again, I think if Crosby played as many minutes as Scoochie, his stats would look better. Not sure how much better.

Scooch vs Crosby with Crosby's stats stretched out to equal Scooch's minutes
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TOs 72 84
Steals 52 30
points 330 220
assists 138 97
FGs 106 82
FGA 256 245
FTs 77 30
FTA 102 67

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Did I say he would be attacked for the 3 turnovers in my hypothetical example? YES. A good example is where you say "I thought his turnovers were worse". Why did you think that?
This is really the answer to the "I never said I want him to fail" crowd and the "he's a walking turnover" crowd. Along with London Warren's sophomore stats.

If you're honest with yourself (most people are not) you'll admit your bias and embrace the balanced view. Yes, he was between poor and average as a sophomore, but with some good foundation to build on, and hope for a junior year of real growth.
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I don't know if he will perform or not. What I do know is that it seems like plenty here WANT him to fail. That's like those that WANT Trump to fail because they don't like him. No matter my stance on the issues, both those individuals are in positions to greatly affect things I love - UD hoops and the USA.

Regardless of my opinion, I WANT them to succeed to better those things.

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LOLZ. I don't know what fan on this site WANTS Crosby to fail. That's a terrible take brother.
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LOLZ. I don't know what fan on this site WANTS Crosby to fail. That's a terrible take brother.
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I know I'm one of the few, but I'm excited to see what he can do. Interesting that Maryland was interested in him still.
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