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Old 03-19-2017, 11:47 AM
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Tournament officiating

It just isn't good enough. I've seen some game deciding horrible calls in multiple games. NW obviously got hosed. Saw a kid on St Mary's get shoved in the back on a rebound, get thrown to the floor on the baseline and he was called for a foul at a key point in the game.

As far as our game, we had tons of opportunities to win but we were victims of this as well. The old shot clock violation foul. 4 hammers on one play under the hoop late in the game. Kyle with 2 huge defensive plays at the end, both called fouls.

Human referees are just not good enough. In watching these games I'm just waiting to see how they will screw the lower profile team at crunch time.
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Not saying it is intentional, but you can kinda tell pretty quick in a game who is the ref's pick.... seems one team is allowed to play defense and the other is not.... more by what is not called on one end - and is called on the other.... guess who is gonna win that game?
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Both you guys are stoned.
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Right, and the Russians are controlling the tourney, and the Dems gave the Big6 teams the game plans of all the other teams.

Humans make mistakes, that is the way it always has been, and will be. What is the answer, computerized refs?

Refs make a hundred calls in a game, and miss one or two, and the fix is in.
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I think how the refs call the game, what they emphasize, even if consistent impacts the game more than the individual calls.

Some styles of officiating benefit some teams and other styles benefit other teams.

Refs Dayton had were ranked out of 200 referees like 40, 75, and 85. So crew average was like 65 which was below average crew for NCAA (think average crew rating like 50). Ratings from kenpom and his methodology not perfect, but better than no methodology.

So below-average crew, but thought grey and black haired guys were pretty consistent. Thought inconsistent in defensive/offensive rebounding by bald ref. Thought other two refs called too many fouls when they had no view and were obstructed by players and just guessed.

But lost game because of 2-18 from 2 point field goals for players not named Pollard/Scoochie.
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Right, and the Russians are controlling the tourney, and the Dems gave the Big6 teams the game plans of all the other teams.

Humans make mistakes, that is the way it always has been, and will be. What is the answer, computerized refs?

Refs make a hundred calls in a game, and miss one or two, and the fix is in.
I hate to say it but I agree with those 2 comments above. Calling a technical on Northwestern coach Collins after they clearly missed an obvious goaltend yesterday is beyond ridiculous. All of the officials in charge should fined at a minimum and probably suspended indefinitely for that Ef'n BS yesterday...and thats just one of couple dozen really pathetic calls i've seen.......no excuse for that at on this stage of the season.
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Are you saying that every time a coach thinks a ref missed a big call they should be allowed to walk on the court to confront them without penalty?

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Are you saying that every time a coach thinks a ref missed a big call they should be allowed to walk on the court to confront them without penalty?

If yes, then you're stoned too.
When the entire arena, announcers see the same thing and they dont even try to do the right thing- yeah i guess me and 200 million viewers are stoned and wrong. But you as a HS ref and a couple thousand in your officiating circle are right; obviously you're a tad sensitive to criticism against any possible officiating blunder. And when they blow a call of that magnitude, there should be reprecussion. Obviously the coach got the "T", well they didn't seem to have a problem making that call did they? Talk about an official deciding a game... i wonder what AM would have done? My guess, charged out on the court like Collins did. Fortunately after the game the NCAA got it right AFTER the game huh???
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Are you saying that every time a coach thinks a ref missed a big call they should be allowed to walk on the court to confront them without penalty?

If yes, then you're stoned too.
What should coach Collins have done? Called them over and make them look at the monitor. Was that a situation where they could go to the Monitor and changed the call?
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What should coach Collins have done? Called them over and make them look at the monitor. Was that a situation where they could go to the Monday tor and changed the call?
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It's unreviewable.

They missed the call...you b*tch like you've done all game and keep coaching. Simple as that.

Unless you think a coach is exempt from rules...in which case he should throw a temper tantrum and refuse to leave the court until he gets his way...which is darn near what he did.
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Arkansas just got hosed by the guys wearing stripes.
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Arkansas just got hosed by the guys wearing stripes.
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You can believe what you want, but 1 questionable call didn't cause Arkansas not to score for the last 4 min.

Maybe, just maybe, Arkansas' coaching, play calling and shot selection had something to do with it.
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Arkansas just got hosed by the guys wearing stripes.
Yep, and isn't it unbelievably coincidental that the team that benefits from those late game deciding calls is always the marquee team? Nope, no bias there. Just random.

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You can believe what you want, but 1 questionable call didn't cause Arkansas not to score for the last 4 min.

Maybe, just maybe, Arkansas' coaching, play calling and shot selection had something to do with it.
You're right that they were horrible offensively the last 4 minutes, but you have to admit the lack of a charge call and the review of the tipped shot not going their way didn't help.
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lack of a charge call
Or the travel if they aren't going to call the charge.
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You're right that they were horrible offensively the last 4 minutes, but you have to admit the lack of a charge call and the review of the tipped shot not going their way didn't help.
Of course it didn't 'help' but what was worse...1 call or an offensive lacking any purpose the last 5 min. 'Run the clock and chuck up a deep 3' is not an offense. Arkansas lost because of coaching and a 'prevent offense' strategy. Plain and simple.
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Watching Rhode Island vs. Oregon. 2:11 to go. Rhody up 4. Foul count is Rhody 10, Oregon 4. Seem to be letting Oregon get by with more contact. Oregon is a 3 Seed, Rhody an 11. Just saying.
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Obvious over back on Ducks, no call. Mathews takes it to the hole and an obvious block, called a charge. Nope, no bias. Just refs making the right call.....for the marquee team. SMH.
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Watching Rhode Island vs. Oregon. 2:11 to go. Rhody up 4. Foul count is Rhody 10, Oregon 4. Seem to be letting Oregon get by with more contact. Oregon is a 3 Seed, Rhody an 11. Just saying.
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And a blown call when RI made the steal- ref was right there and missd the obvious push by Oregon player, then immediately called RI guy out of bounds when he clearly wasnt
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No way any unbiased person could watch the last 10 minutes of that game and not see that all of the calls down the stretch went for the Ducks and against the Rams. Just a shame.
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Not sure why anyone is arguing with this a** anyway. Of course he is gonna defend the dumb refs he thinks he is an actually important part to the game. You know when you have good refs? When you don't even know they are present (just doing a refs job). God I can only take so much of his crap, never used the block feature in my entire time here until now.

Ref should have swallowed his whistle and let Collins vent. That call decided the game end of story.

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And a blown call when RI made the steal- ref was right there and missd the obvious push by Oregon player, then immediately called RI guy out of bounds when he clearly wasnt
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The RI player was out of bounds. His foot touched OOB as he was on the ground and then he touched the ball. I believe that was the correct call. Was hoping for an RI win.
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The RI player was out of bounds. His foot touched OOB as he was on the ground and then he touched the ball. I believe that was the correct call. Was hoping for an RI win.
Would have liked a closer look at another call late in the 2nd half. Rhody ballhandler was coming up the right sideline; Oregon player in pursuit. Ball gets swatted away from behind; refs rule Rhody ball OB. But it looked like one of those plays where I yell at the defender "Get a saddle! It'll make the ride more comfortable!"

Again, would have liked a closer look, but it sure seemed like the Oregon defender made contact with the Rhody ballhandler. No foul, though.
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I was rooting big time for my team Arkansas and for RI, and I saw a few bad calls on both sides, but nothing that caused an imbalance. As all the good coaches say, if you let one or two calls or shots effect the outcome, you did not do your job.
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I think there are many very good officials, but 99% of officials want to work the Power 5 plus Big East games. More prestige, more pay, and better chance to work the NCAA tournament. It's hard to imagine there isn't some inherent bias at times.
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It's unreviewable.

They missed the call...you b*tch like you've done all game and keep coaching. Simple as that.

Unless you think a coach is exempt from rules...in which case he should throw a temper tantrum and refuse to leave the court until he gets his way...which is darn near what he did.
What is reviewable and what isn't reviewable?

Also if you think you may have royally screwed the pooch on a call do you the give the coach a little more latitude for complaining?
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The thing that gets me the most is that these refs seem to be at their worst in the last four minutes of these close games. I know it ia a hard job but they are getting paid A LOT of money to do these games. It's not like they are high school refs who do games for $90. They simply need to be better for the money they make.
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I think there are many very good officials, but 99% of officials want to work the Power 5 plus Big East games. More prestige, more pay, and better chance to work the NCAA tournament. It's hard to imagine there isn't some inherent bias at times.
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What is reviewable and what isn't reviewable?

Also if you think you may have royally screwed the pooch on a call do you the give the coach a little more latitude for complaining?
The Rules stipulate what is/isn't reviewable and I don't know them....I do know the last 2 minutes most things become reviewable but not everything.


As for latitude and complaining...you may give a coach some with his mouth, but not when he's 20' onto the court! At that point is he going to grab someone? Run into a player? There a legitimate and serious reason why nobody is allowed on the court except players and refs!

I will say this...the NCAA and officials everywhere do themselves no favors by allowing coaches to stand 2-3 steps on the court all game when it's clearly not allowed. If I'm the King of NCAA Refs, I make my A#1 Point-of-Emphasis for 2017-18 to be all coaches must stay in the coaching box at all times, no exception. One foot on the court = 'T'. It's out of control everywhere...from 3rd grade up.
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A friend of mine does D1 and D2 basketball...he says all D1 games pay $2200/game and he does MAC, B10, MEAC, Horizon. D2 pays $800. He made over $100k this season just doing basketball. His day job at a bank is very flexible...he's living the royal dream!
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Not sure why anyone is arguing with this a** anyway. Of course he is gonna defend the dumb refs he thinks he is an actually important part to the game. You know when you have good refs? When you don't even know they are present (just doing a refs job). God I can only take so much of his crap, never used the block feature in my entire time here until now.

Ref should have swallowed his whistle and let Collins vent. That call decided the game end of story.

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but not when he's 20' onto the court!
Your royal tape measure needs to be re-calibrated.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/huge-te...235338995.html

Looks like we aren't the only ones questioning these same calls.
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5 worst calls of the NCAA tournament:

1) Gonzaga goaltend
2) UNC travel/charge
3) Phantom St. Mary's call
4) Seton Hall flagrant
5) Dillon Brooks' charge

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The thing that gets me the most is that these refs seem to be at their worst in the last four minutes of these close games. I know it ia a hard job but they are getting paid A LOT of money to do these games. It's not like they are high school refs who do games for $90. They simply need to be better for the money they make.
You simply have to give the coaches one replay each half to counter the issues..If you don't use one in the first half then you lose it and only have one remaining..Screw this human element argument. I'll give these refs more credit and the benefit of the "human element" the second the ref that is not only 30 feet from the play but also staring at the backs of two 6'9" guys' quits calling a foul on something he clearly has very little view of.....

I think we call all live with a college basketball game that gets officiated more correctly and one that might extend the overall length of the game from 2 hours to just 2 hours and 8 minutes...
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Productive solutions:
1. Add an extra official on the floor
2. Add an extra official on the monitor to review plays real time
3. Eliminate help defender charges. If you did get to the spot - then contest the shot. It's not humanly possible to calculate all of the variables involved in this call. Still allow the on-ball defender to get an offensive foul by playing good defense.
4. Enforce the principal of verticality
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I forget exactly who was involved but in the UD-WSU game, one of our guys set a pick when I think Scooch was bringing the ball up the court. WSU player runs into him pretty hard. Why is that not a foul on the WSU player? How is that different than what happened at the end of VCU-GW game when VCU was taking the ball out of bounds after the made basket and GW player runs into Lewis when another VCU player was running the baseline to inbound the ball?
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*Why? Because weakness insists that losing is always someone else's fault

Duke fans hate the refs. South Carolina love the refs.

Wichita State fans (and coach's wife) hate the refs, UK fans love the refs.

UCLA fans love the refs, UC fans hate the refs.

Michigan fans love the refs, Louisville fans hate the refs*.

Anyone see a pattern?
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Blatant charge and travelling by a NC player in the same play in the final minute vs. Arkansas. No call is made by the ref.

That was a critical no call that maybe decided the outcome of the game.

These games aren't rigged?

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Oregon: 6 2nd half fouls.

Rhode Island: 10 or 11 second half fouls. URI does not even get into the bonus in the 2nd half.

URI loses a very close game.

These games aren't rigged?
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I forget exactly who was involved but in the UD-WSU game, one of our guys set a pick when I think Scooch was bringing the ball up the court. WSU player runs into him pretty hard. Why is that not a foul on the WSU player? How is that different than what happened at the end of VCU-GW game when VCU was taking the ball out of bounds after the made basket and GW player runs into Lewis when another VCU player was running the baseline to inbound the ball?
Because Pollard didn't fall down! This is one of my biggest gripes with the rules of the game and how it's officiated. If KP falls down it's a clear foul and the ref blows the whistle. If KP decides to stay upright it's not a foul.

Extend that to the plays around the basket. If you're Bill Lambier from the Pistons and you get slammed into by the offensive player, but stay straight up and on your feet, it's generally no whistle (if done properly). But if Lambier falls down now the whistle must blow and they pick either charge / block.

That's irrational.
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I swear, it seems like every time I turn on one of these games, either 1 of 2 things is happening:

1. The non-p5 teams have been called for more fouls.

Or.

2. The blue blood college basketball royalty team, like NC or Duke, or the better seeded p5 team, has been called for fewer fouls.



These things happen with too much consistency, where it seems like it is a pattern.

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Duke fans hate the refs. South Carolina love the refs.

Wichita State fans (and coach's wife) hate the refs, UK fans love the refs.

UCLA fans love the refs, UC fans hate the refs.

Michigan fans love the refs, Louisville fans hate the refs*.

Anyone see a pattern?
Nobody here is even talking about the Duke game. The refs called that game like the fans paid admission to watch them. I hate Duke as much as the next guy but SC was getting every call--and a majority of those calls were ones where there was no need for a whistle. I'd have to look at the play by play buy it seemed like fouls were called on about 8 of 10 possessions at the end, and most of those were really ticky-tack.

I'm not wearing my tin foil hat, that was just a game where the refs wanted to be the show it appeared to me.
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Blatant charge and travelling by a NC player in the same play in the final minute vs. Arkansas. No call is made by the ref.

That was a critical no call that maybe decided the outcome of the game.

These games aren't rigged?
ONE, 1, O-N-E foul called on UNC first 17 mins of 2nd half. That is impossible. Once they had the lead and just a few ticks left, UNC had the advantage of fouling in backcourt every 2-3 seconds and force Ark to inbound the ball. Horrible officiating but hey, everyone has a bad game once in awhile, right Rollo?

The travel/charge no call was just wrong. But the NCAA will admit it and that makes it all ok.
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Because Pollard didn't fall down!
Contact fouls involve 1 or 2 things...'advantage' or 'displacement'....these are 2 words constantly going thru my mind as I run up and down the court watching 10 players bounce off each other.

If Pollard doesn't move in a collision, neither of the above apply, so it's a no-call.

I hate flopping but the reason Luke Kennard and Scoochie and LeBron are constantly throwing their head back when a defender gets into their time zone is because they know the refs call 'displacement'. A seasoned ref won't call it despite the home crowd going nuts but it won't stop them from faking their way to the FT line.

And it needs to be addressed because it's making a joke of the game. I say we make 'fake' fouls a 'T' and, like hockey, institute a 2-min ban on the player.
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ONE, 1, O-N-E foul called on UNC first 17 mins of 2nd half. That is impossible. Once they had the lead and just a few ticks left, UNC had the advantage of fouling in backcourt every 2-3 seconds and force Ark to inbound the ball. Horrible officiating but hey, everyone has a bad game once in awhile, right Rollo?

The travel/charge no call was just wrong. But the NCAA will admit it and that makes it all ok.

Impossible?...since it happened obviously not. But since I only watched the end of the game I'll say this: If Arkansas played the first 17 min on offense as poorly as they did the last 5, it's possible. They avoided any and all contact at the end of the game and took stupid shots late in the shot clock for the short time I watched.

As for foul discrepancies...here's a cute reffing phrase to tell a complaining coach; "I call fouls coach, I don't count them." And just keep moving.

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Oregon: 6 2nd half fouls.

Rhode Island: 10 or 11 second half fouls. URI does not even get into the bonus in the 2nd half.

URI loses a very close game.

These games aren't rigged?
And I think the last 2 fouls by Oregon were done on purpose to disrupt URI/waste time on the clock.

So, 4 fouls called on Oregon for almost the entire 2nd half.
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But since I only watched the end of the game I'll say this: If Arkansas played the first 17 min on offense as poorly as they did the last 5, it's possible. They avoided any and all contact at the end of the game and took stupid shots late in the shot clock for the short time I watched.

As for foul discrepancies...here's a cute reffing phrase to tell a complaining coach; "I call fouls coach, I don't count them." And just keep moving.

Works every time.
I did (watch), and they didn't (play the first 17 min as poorly as the last 5). Which is why they erased the deficit and took a 5 pt lead.

I've heard all the cute phrases...every profession has them as a defense mechanism, and that's okay, whatever gets you by. It's a thankless job and I wouldn't want it.

Let's just hope Roy has this group of players attending their African Studies classes.
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I love this thread mainly because I consider most UD fans to be pretty 'knowledgeable' about basketball...and they are proving it. But at the same time they are demonstrating how little they 'understand' about the game.

Yuge difference.

And I'm not saying I'm a basketball genius, but I'd like to think I know the game and understand how it works (I'm proactive and reactive as opposed to most who are just reactive). I mean, just because you can start a car, put it in 'D', get from Dayton to Cinci and back and parallel park doesn't make you a mechanic...although I bet a lot of you disagree with me on that, too.
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5 worst calls of the NCAA tournament:

3) Phantom St. Mary's call
Agree...SMC player gets shoved in the back going for a rebound, he ends up on his stomach on the floor as a result of the push, and HE gets called for the foul. Unbelievable.
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I'm not going to go as far as to say the games are rigged for certain teams. I watched the end of the Duke game and several questionable calls definitely didn't go their way, as you could tell by the beet red face of Coach K. I just think the game has become so fast and athletic that it's a thankless job. Human beings simply aren't going to get every call correct. I couldn't imagine running back and forth on the court at their ages and trying not to miss anything at the rate of speed these games are now being played.

My beef is I just wish the officiating would be more consistent throughout the entire NCAA. Why is one game called with every ticky tack contact as a foul, then you turn the channel and the next one they are allowing the kids play playground ball? Officiating is different from conference to conference, then when it comes to tournament time we wonder why there is such conflict as to how they are being called. And, a foul at the beginning of the game should be a foul at the end of the game.

Also, I do not want more reviews. Games in every sport are being ruined by the review processes. They are sapping the joy out of watching. Mistakes are going to be made, move on and play the game.

As far as the Northwestern game, you simply cannot allow coaches to come out onto the court the way he did, regardless if he is, or thinks he is, correct. A coach has to maintain his composure or he risks hurting his team even more. The technical Collins received was warranted according to the rules, just because he was correct about the non-call doesn't make it right. Set an example for your kids. How often do we see players act out on the court in similar manners that their coach does?
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And I think the last 2 fouls by Oregon were done on purpose to disrupt URI/waste time on the clock.

So, 4 fouls called on Oregon for almost the entire 2nd half.
Yes, I was watching the last 8 minutes, and at the time Rhode Island got whistled for their 10th foul of the 2nd half, Oregon had only been called for 4. Yes, I know Rhode Island plays an aggressive style, but tell me, with a straight face, that Oregon (with some of the 'yappers' they have on that team) doesn't play aggressively. And tell me, with a straight face, that their players are just that much more coordinated than Rhody's players that they can play that aggressively without fouling.

Call it what you want. I'm simply calling it an interesting discrepancy in the foul count at that point in the game.
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Another thing I've been disappointed in the last few years is the review process and how some things are clear when the fans watch it yet the officials claim they cannot see it that way (a few happened this weekend). I'm not sure if it is still the case but the refs didn't always have access to the TV replays which is ridiculous. Two year ago, I believe in the final between Wisconsin and Duke there was an out of bounds play that was reviewed that clearly went off of the Duke player, but the reviews that the refs had didn't show it even though the TV views did, and I know this for a fact as one of the refs that did the game told me this personally. If this is still happening something needs to change.
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Contact fouls involve 1 or 2 things...'advantage' or 'displacement'....these are 2 words constantly going thru my mind as I run up and down the court watching 10 players bounce off each other.

If Pollard doesn't move in a collision, neither of the above apply, so it's a no-call.
Ahh, but, what is displacement? You know as well as I do that players don't have to fall down when there's a collision, they choose to fall down. If Duke basketball players played football it would look like Payne Webber out there followed by a crotch chop--they would all fall like pins on the PBA tour. That is NOT displacement, it's dancing. Virtually zero contact can cause a player to fall down while significant contact (like football) can be absorbed if the player chooses to absorb it. A player who is off balance is rewarded for falling down while a player who is properly on balance is penalized by not getting the foul called on the other person.

Pollard is being guarded in the post by some pansy and he turns over the shoulder then he sends the guy into the 3rd row. Advantage, displacement, foul. That means Pollard could practice the same patented move in the gym for 10 years and execute it exactly the same way on 10 consecutive trips and get 2 different calls just based solely on the balance of the person defending him. That's completely unfair and not the spirit of the rules if you ask me.

I don't know how the rule is written or what guidance is given, but the way it's called is just wrong. The quantity of the contact initiated and the ability of the defense to absorb contact is what should determine the foul, not the reaction of the defense to the same amount of contact.

Just because a guy falls down does not mean he was displaced, or that the offense did anything to gain an advantage. The NCAA is always talking about increasing scoring. You want to increase scoring? Stop calling charges on every play. Teach guys that it's your job to stay upright and absorb the contact. And, tell offensive players that if you leave your feet and jump into a guy you better finish because the whistle isn't just going to blow and bail you out.
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Another thing I've been disappointed in the last few years is the review process and how some things are clear when the fans watch it yet the officials claim they cannot see it that way (a few happened this weekend). I'm not sure if it is still the case but the refs didn't always have access to the TV replays which is ridiculous. Two year ago, I believe in the final between Wisconsin and Duke there was an out of bounds play that was reviewed that clearly went off of the Duke player, but the reviews that the refs had didn't show it even though the TV views did, and I know this for a fact as one of the refs that did the game told me this personally. If this is still happening something needs to change.
And on the flip side in MLB they claim to have even more views from their central office in NY than what the stations even show....Definitely something wrong either way..
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Ahh, but, what is displacement? You know as well as I do that players don't have to fall down when there's a collision, they choose to fall down. If Duke basketball players played football it would look like Payne Webber out there followed by a crotch chop--they would all fall like pins on the PBA tour. That is NOT displacement, it's dancing. Virtually zero contact can cause a player to fall down while significant contact (like football) can be absorbed if the player chooses to absorb it. A player who is off balance is rewarded for falling down while a player who is properly on balance is penalized by not getting the foul called on the other person.
You are absolutely 100% right. No royal argument from me.

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Pollard is being guarded in the post by some pansy and he turns over the shoulder then he sends the guy into the 3rd row. Advantage, displacement, foul. That means Pollard could practice the same patented move in the gym for 10 years and execute it exactly the same way on 10 consecutive trips and get 2 different calls just based solely on the balance of the person defending him. That's completely unfair and not the spirit of the rules if you ask me.
You are absolutely 100% right. Wimps benefit and shouldn't. No royal argument from me.

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I don't know how the rule is written or what guidance is given, but the way it's called is just wrong. The quantity of the contact initiated and the ability of the defense to absorb contact is what should determine the foul, not the reaction of the defense to the same amount of contact.
You are absolutely 100% right. Standing your ground should be promoted! No royal argument from me.

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Just because a guy falls down does not mean he was displaced, or that the offense did anything to gain an advantage. The NCAA is always talking about increasing scoring. You want to increase scoring? Stop calling charges on every play. Teach guys that it's your job to stay upright and absorb the contact. And, tell offensive players that if you leave your feet and jump into a guy you better finish because the whistle isn't just going to blow and bail you out.
You are absolutely 100% right. Too often offensive players initiate contact and get the foul...that's Royal BS. No royal argument from me.
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'Displacement' is an insanely difficult call to make in the age of the 'flop' and even moreso in HS girls basketball where they fall at the thought of a collision (except in Northmont...right Clayton?).

That's why flopping should be penalized. I love Kennard but I can't believe he hasn't been hospitalized weekly for whiplash. You can't get within 10 feet of him without his head instinctively snapping backwards. I see this behavior trickling down to lower and lower levels of basketball and it's annoying. If/when I get out of officiating, it'll be because the game has become to much like the WWF. With flops, head jerking, kids screaming 'and 1' every time they drive the hoop and coaches stomping all over the place, the trend that direction has already started.
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Would have liked a closer look at another call late in the 2nd half. Rhody ballhandler was coming up the right sideline; Oregon player in pursuit. Ball gets swatted away from behind; refs rule Rhody ball OB. But it looked like one of those plays where I yell at the defender "Get a saddle! It'll make the ride more comfortable!"

Again, would have liked a closer look, but it sure seemed like the Oregon defender made contact with the Rhody ballhandler. No foul, though.
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Since I had a DVR of this game, I re-watched that sequence at least 10 times; if the Rhody player did touch out of bounds, I didn't see it (and I replayed it several times in slow motion). However, what was plainly obvious to me was the fact that he got pushed to the ground and the REF was RIGHT THERE. How the h3ll the striped idiot misses that is beyond me. Overall, I have to say, and it's not my imagination, the better you are seeded, the more the calls go your way. After-all, God forbid we have another mid-major or lower school in the final 4 or finals...
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One solution: Hockey has a penalty for "embellishment" which is essentially taking a dive when you are hit. Not called often, but some times you'll see a defender penalized (tripping, slashing,etc.) and the offense get called for embellishment. Both guys go to the penalty box for 2 minutes.

Highly subjective, but perhaps an obvious flopper (Kennard) gets a foul for embellishment.
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I was multi tasking while watching games last night and did a little analysis. For all of the games played thus far, schools from a power 5 conference shot on average 21.3 free throws a game when playing non-power 5 teams. The non-power 5 teams shot 14.5 free throws in those games. So nearly a 7 attempt differential in favor of P5s. That probably amounts to a 5 point a game advantage at the line for the P5s. Now, one can argue that this was driven by the smaller schools shooting more jump shots or end of game situations being down, but I did find it interesting. The one exception was Gonzaga vs Northwestern where the Zags 24 more free throws than NW. Take that one out and the differential is even greater. If I had time would be interesting to see how higher seeds do regardless of conference affiliation. My hunch is that higher seeds when you get beyond the 8/9 and 10/7 matchups get the benefit of the doubt.
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'Displacement' is an insanely difficult call to make in the age of the 'flop' and even moreso in HS girls basketball where they fall at the thought of a collision (except in Northmont...right Clayton?).

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Girls basketball is becoming a joke with the flop and acting job some do.

Imagine if Luke Kennard had 2' long hair in a pony tail like 90% of all high school girls on the court wear. The way these girls make the pony tail bounce as part of their fake whiplash move is a complete joke, some even throw in a high pitched squeel. Then the victims mom in the stands with her 5" tall high heels on sipping on her Starbucks starts screaming at the ref over the no call (that was really not a call to start with). Eventually the ref starts making said calls, at which part Rollo and all involved here me! But I will give Rollo credit, I have not seen him buy into the acting jobs yet.

Even more pathetic, is a few so called coaches who teach Americas youth to "fake it" or "flop"
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'Displacement' is an insanely difficult call to make in the age of the 'flop' and even moreso in HS girls basketball where they fall at the thought of a collision (except in Northmont...right Clayton?).

That's why flopping should be penalized. I love Kennard but I can't believe he hasn't been hospitalized weekly for whiplash. You can't get within 10 feet of him without his head instinctively snapping backwards. I see this behavior trickling down to lower and lower levels of basketball and it's annoying. If/when I get out of officiating, it'll be because the game has become to much like the WWF. With flops, head jerking, kids screaming 'and 1' every time they drive the hoop and coaches stomping all over the place, the trend that direction has already started.
I think the NCAA has attempted to remove this with the objective circle under the basket. Duke would draw 10 charges a game with this phony BS before the circle. So it's a little better than it used to be.

But I'd like to see them take it further. Basically make it a "player control foul" where it's a charge because the guy (girl) was wildly out of control. Not because contact was made and somebody fell down. You want to fall down? Go for it. Unless the player driving had his head down out of control it's either a block (if you're moving under him) or a no-call (the same as if you had stayed on your feet). And it's a charge whether or not you fall down, because that depends on whether or not the player was under control.

Hard? Yes. But it's probably also 90% of the charges called removed. And the players would probably appreciate the ability to just stand there and take a hit without fear of being called for a block on every play.
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In my opinion, it is obvious that NCAA tournament games are called differently than regular season games. This has led to much more physical games and often confuses the players. It has made several games difficult to watch. I even began to root for *ichigan against Louisville in the second half after they were the victim of several horrible calls in the first half!!!
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One solution: Hockey has a penalty for "embellishment" which is essentially taking a dive when you are hit. Not called often, but some times you'll see a defender penalized (tripping, slashing,etc.) and the offense get called for embellishment. Both guys go to the penalty box for 2 minutes.

Highly subjective, but perhaps an obvious flopper (Kennard) gets a foul for embellishment.
I've never liked the fact the player who embellished gets two minutes, too. I think the tripping, slashing, etc. should get two minutes and the embellishment should get one minute. The team who suffered the "worst" penalty still gets a power play, but its length is reduced (so they get punished, too).
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Another "Flop" I see all the time in college basketball is when the guy shoots a 3 pointer, and there is a defender trying to alter/block his shot. There's absolutely no contact, but the shooter falls to the floor every time, hoping for a call! Should T up the shooter for falling down every time.
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Us fans are being played for fools….. it is all about creating controversy so that “they“ can generate more eyeballs. Two quick poimts:
Replays: we are led to believe that they are about “getting the call right”… when in fact they are all about creating more controversy. How many times have we seen obvious things on replay ruled contrary to what we just saw……. If I were king, I would eliminate replays... all they do is create more controversy.
Fouls: All the exceptions and clarifications within the so called rules make it so that anyone could call just about anything (or nothing) on every stinking play. So when something does get called (or better yet, not called) there is plenty of room for you to believe whatever your biases want to believe….. If I were king we would go back to concrete, consistently inforceable rules.
In the end, it is all about the money and getting ratings…. fairness or determining the best team is not even on the radar…. I am rapidly losing interest in college basketball…… sad…..
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I spoke with a highly regarded high school official recently. While he doesn't work the floor anymore, he evaluates officials. Rollo may be able to comment on this, but if you look at the officiating fraternity, it isn't getting any younger. There is a lack of officials and a lack of good officials that are up and coming. Not to say that older guys can't keep up with college athletes on the court, but the reality of the situation is that you have officials in their 40's and 50's that are traveling all over their portion of the country doing a couple games a week...and also maintaining their jobs/careers at home. The bottom line is that the quality of officiating isn't going to get any better unless those that are in a position to, start getting involved as officials out of college and work their way up through the ranks.

Rollo officiated my daughter's tournament game a few weeks ago. Granted, it was Dayton Metro ball, Rollo took the game seriously and called the game as it should be called. It is easy to see why he officiates across many ages. I get some officials with these younger ages, that wouldn't stand a chance in Hades to do anything other than grade school games...and it shows. There are huge variations of the quality of officials. This doesn't just go for the grade school games, but also some that have the ability to drive to BFE to do a girls JV game.

Until people step up as officials in their 20's and work their way up to the NCAA ranks by the time they are 40, there will be a shortage of officials. It is a thankless job, but I remember the really good ones along the way and definitely remember the ones that were just out there collecting a paycheck.
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Amen to that Shocka!

I'm 54 and am required to attend a minimum of 4 Rule Interpretation meetings per year. At these meetings I am EASILY one of the youngest officials in the room of close to 100 total.

If you love money, exercise and sports I highly recommend that you get into officiating and promise that doing so will open your eyes and minds to a whole 'nother level of the game that very few people experience.

I don't care if it's football, volleyball, baseball, etc...if you don't mind getting yelled at by incoherent know-it-alls, take an OHSAA class and you, too, can be a King ref! There is a shortage in every sport and you will be as busy as you wish...even the bad officials get work, just at a different level. But even the bad officials know more than the armchair point guards I put up with on this f'in site!

Shocka...I'm waiting for your application.

Clayton...you, too.

Figgie...stick with stats.

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I am surprised that there are fewer college basketball officials. The pay can be very good. I was amazed at what Edwin Young receives for each game.
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I am surprised that there are fewer college basketball officials. The pay can be very good. I was amazed at what Edwin Young receives for each game.

Without a very, very flexible job - or a spouse whose job can cover your medical insurance - it would be very difficult to do college hoops.
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Also college refs have to pay all their own expenses. Between flying, meals and hotel that can be $500-1,000.
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To make good money, college refs have to work a lot of games. This usually require a lot of travel. A lot of people just don't want a job that require that much travel.
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You can believe what you want, but 1 questionable call didn't cause Arkansas not to score for the last 4 min.

Maybe, just maybe, Arkansas' coaching, play calling and shot selection had something to do with it.
Isn't it amazing how well we all see the game now with the latest technology.
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Isn't it amazing how well we all see the game now with the latest technology.
all but the refs.... even with the replays they still screw it up!
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I don't care if it's football, volleyball, baseball, etc...if you don't mind getting yelled at by incoherent know-it-alls, take an OHSAA class and you, too, can be a King ref! There is a shortage in every sport and you will be as busy as you wish...even the bad officials get work, just at a different level. But even the bad officials know more than the armchair point guards I put up with on this f'in site!
In my much younger days of 14 or 15, I volunteered to umpire a baseball scrimmage for my brother's team of 9/10 year olds. The kids were great -- the parents were a nightmare. Never again.

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As a former baseball coach and umpire - the only two qualities needed to be successful are a quick wit and comprehensive knowledge of the rule book. The best officials know more than you do and can defuse most potential situations with a quick-hitting one-liner.

The worst officials don't put in the time to learn their craft and hide behind the uniform when they screw it up.
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all but the refs.... even with the replays they still screw it up!
http://ohsaa.org/Officiating/permits

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UK fans at their best...

"In the case of Kentucky fans, the officiating from referee John Higgins had Big Blue Nation up in arms. Higgins made a series of questionable foul calls that certainly came back to bite the Wildcats. But after the loss, Kentucky fans took their anger too far. They went after Higgins’ livelihood."

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Why am I not surprised?

I know UD fans would never, ever do something like this.

As I small business owner, absolutley pathetic what Kentucky fans are doing to this guy.

However, Even if you call the perfect game, or no game at all, I still love to trash your employer Rollo.
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As I small business owner, absolutley pathetic what Kentucky fans are doing to this guy.

However, Even if you call the perfect game, or no game at all, I still love to trash your employer Rollo.
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I love how all of these articles about refs always say because reffing college basketball is not a full time job, many of these officials need to hold full time jobs. John Higgins for instance is almost always in the top three for most games worked per year and definitely takes home six figures from that job. I only wish I had a second job that paid me $200,000...oh wait I wish I had a first job that paid me that.
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UK fans at their best...

"In the case of Kentucky fans, the officiating from referee John Higgins had Big Blue Nation up in arms. Higgins made a series of questionable foul calls that certainly came back to bite the Wildcats. But after the loss, Kentucky fans took their anger too far. They went after Higgins’ livelihood."

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I know UD fans would never, ever do something like this.
I recall Higgins doing our game w/ Boise St 2 yrs ago. Seemed like every stinking call was going against us, and all made by him. Then I looked at the replay and realized he was more Rollo-like than I thought! Of course, his no-call on KD's defense of the Boise's last shot caused Gottlieb to cry "foul!" Even more validation that he got the call right!
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Any certified softball umpires out there???

After 13 years of baseball I walked away never wanting to squat behind another plate ever again. But enough basketball refs and multi sport officials convinced me to get OHSAA certified in softball that last year I took the dive and here, in my 2nd year, am loving it...but not as much as basketball.

In softball there are few if any complaints, few pitching changes etc...and games fly. I can finish a game and at the adjacent baseball diamond they are typically in the 4th inning. If a coach argues and gets tossed, they are fined $200, have to sit 2 games and must accompany their principal to Columbus to take an anger management course...I'm not kidding! The kids are nice, parents cheer FOR THEIR KIDS, and umpires (at least I am) are thanked by parents when walking to their car after the games. Baseball is completely the opposite, which is why I intentionally walked (pun royally intended) away from it.

And the pay is better than basketball...I did a junior high game last week and got $66 for 2-hours of 'work'.

Easy money out there for all you who want more. And the King always wants more...and more...and more!

I also do soccer...and am being pressured to get certified in Lacrosse, too. And football...but I'm hesitant as I don't want to come across as being greedy to anyone...

In all seriousness, there are a lot of competitive and athletic people on this site...and with a shortage of officials in every sport, you really should consider taking a class.
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I love how all of these articles about refs always say because reffing college basketball is not a full time job, many of these officials need to hold full time jobs. John Higgins for instance is almost always in the top three for most games worked per year and definitely takes home six figures from that job. I only wish I had a second job that paid me $200,000...oh wait I wish I had a first job that paid me that.
You can have a second job like that. Be a D1 level ref. We see a snippet of the abuse these guys take, not to mention the physical exertion and the pressure of the fans and coaches and players questioning all the calls.

Don't forget that is gross. They pay 100% of their expenses.

I remember one coach who yelled at me and my partner for every call we made. I finally said, "Did I not get at least a few right?" He responded, "Sure, but I just like to yell."
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UK fans at their best...

"In the case of Kentucky fans, the officiating from referee John Higgins had Big Blue Nation up in arms. Higgins made a series of questionable foul calls that certainly came back to bite the Wildcats. But after the loss, Kentucky fans took their anger too far. They went after Higgins’ livelihood."

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I know UD fans would never, ever do something like this.
Death threats, too. Is it any wonder why I hate people so much? and stupid people even more.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...lina-tar-heels

"But the nastiness went well beyond those posts. Sources said the phones at Higgins' home and business, also known as Rooferees, have been "ringing off the hook" since the game, with angry Kentucky fans calling to complain and some even going so far as to make death threats. That prompted a meeting with law enforcement. On Wednesday, Kentucky released a statement promoting good sportsmanship by Wildcats fans."
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On Wednesday, Kentucky released a statement promoting good sportsmanship by Wildcats fans."
Definition of an oxymoron!
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You can have a second job like that. Be a D1 level ref. We see a snippet of the abuse these guys take, not to mention the physical exertion and the pressure of the fans and coaches and players questioning all the calls.

Don't forget that is gross. They pay 100% of their expenses.

I remember one coach who yelled at me and my partner for every call we made. I finally said, "Did I not get at least a few right?" He responded, "Sure, but I just like to yell."
I didn't say it was easy, I was just pointing out that these articles continually make them out to be guys that are in the poor house. I am friends with one of the top officials in the game and I know for a fact he has brought home more than 300,000 in certain years, minus expenses (which if even $100,000 still clears $2000,000) and has a first job that pays in excess of $125,000 of which he misses about 80-100 days of work each year. It's not an easy job but let's not make them out to be the little brothers of the poor because they are not full time officials. They get compensated very well for what they do.
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Any certified softball umpires out there???

After 13 years of baseball I walked away never wanting to squat behind another plate ever again. But enough basketball refs and multi sport officials convinced me to get OHSAA certified in softball that last year I took the dive and here, in my 2nd year, am loving it...but not as much as basketball.

In softball there are few if any complaints, few pitching changes etc...and games fly. I can finish a game and at the adjacent baseball diamond they are typically in the 4th inning. If a coach argues and gets tossed, they are fined $200, have to sit 2 games and must accompany their principal to Columbus to take an anger management course...I'm not kidding! The kids are nice, parents cheer FOR THEIR KIDS, and umpires (at least I am) are thanked by parents when walking to their car after the games. Baseball is completely the opposite, which is why I intentionally walked (pun royally intended) away from it.

And the pay is better than basketball...I did a junior high game last week and got $66 for 2-hours of 'work'.

Easy money out there for all you who want more. And the King always wants more...and more...and more!

I also do soccer...and am being pressured to get certified in Lacrosse, too. And football...but I'm hesitant as I don't want to come across as being greedy to anyone...

In all seriousness, there are a lot of competitive and athletic people on this site...and with a shortage of officials in every sport, you really should consider taking a class.
Agreed, Rollo persuaded me to get my softball certification and he is right. There are no arguments or they get shipped off to Columbus. It is good money if you look at it as an hourly rate. I may even get certified so I can ump this summer after the High School season ends.

You would be amazed at all of the different scenarios that are reviewed in the rule book and the case book.
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Agreed, Rollo persuaded me to get my softball certification and he is right. There are no arguments or they get shipped off to Columbus. It is good money if you look at it as an hourly rate. I may even get certified so I can ump this summer after the High School season ends.

You would be amazed at all of the different scenarios that are reviewed in the rule book and the case book.
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"Foul" called on Zaga with 3.5 seconds left to keep SC from tying was clearly fixed. Watched the replay 10 times, there was zero contact. Ref clearly had an agenda/orders. They strike again.
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OH NO!!!!

Teddy TV Valentine is calling the UNC Oregon game.

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Did anyone see the phantom block call with about 2:30 left in the half called against Benson from Oregon vs Jackson? Ennis blocked the shot and there was no contact by Benson but they gave him a foul. The announcers didn't mention it once.
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Did anyone see the phantom block call with about 2:30 left in the half called against Benson from Oregon vs Jackson? Ennis blocked the shot and there was no contact by Benson but they gave him a foul. The announcers didn't mention it once.
I just ran it back and im not sure that Benson even touched him.
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I'm starting to think NCAA Men's Basketball is this generation's version of the 1980's WWF. Winners predetermined. Designated heroes & villains. Starting to wonder. 🤔
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One certainly wonders in the NC - OR game. NC getting the benefit of many calls.
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Oregon could have executed better down the stretch IMO...taking maybe some questionable shots on offense...sloppy turnovers...failing to box out and thereby giving up defensive rebounds...defensive mistakes.

Oregon did not get the rebound on 2 consecutive ft misses by NC on the front end of 1 and 1's.

Oregon had a chance, but they did not execute well enough down the stretch IMO.

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