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Oregon did not get the rebound on 2 consecutive ft misses by NC on the front end of 1 and 1's.
If you are talking about the free throws in the last few seconds they weren't one-and-one's. North Carolina missed two free throws both times. Amazing that Oregon couldn't get either rebound.
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Did anyone see the phantom block call with about 2:30 left in the half called against Benson from Oregon vs Jackson? Ennis blocked the shot and there was no contact by Benson but they gave him a foul. The announcers didn't mention it once.
I saw the replay, it was minimal contact, but Benson was turning his body and there was most definitely contact.
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Didn't see the play but acording to posters here there was no contact, or there was contact, depends who you talk to. Refs have a split second to make the call. We can look at the play over and over and still can't agree. And then the refs get bashed, something we do a lot of here.
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Originally Posted by UD62 View Post
Didn't see the play but acording to posters here there was no contact, or there was contact, depends who you talk to. Refs have a split second to make the call. We can look at the play over and over and still can't agree. And then the refs get bashed, something we do a lot of here.
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BUT, we don't issue death threats and we don't ruin refs personal business web pages.
That's very true.
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Originally Posted by UD62 View Post
Didn't see the play but according to posters here there was no contact, or there was contact, depends who you talk to. Refs have a split second to make the call. We can look at the play over and over and still can't agree. And then the refs get bashed, something we do a lot of here.
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Originally Posted by IAFlyer View Post
I saw the replay, it was minimal contact, but Benson was turning his body and there was most definitely contact.
I'll admit there was contact but it was as minimal as possible. Their shirts may have brushed against each other. And if that amount of contact is a foul then there should be 40 more plays per game that should be called as fouls. It was totally an anticipated call by the ref, no ifs, and, or buts about it.
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The refs in the championship game IMO were in favor of NC.

You could hear the crowd, in the background on the tv, booing the bogus calls against Gonzaga.

It seemed pretty apparent that the refs were trying to call fouls on Gonzaga's big men.

I had the total at about -5 against Gonzaga.

It seemed like a rigged game.
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Will One Shining Moment this year feature every referee who called a game, instead of every team? They seem to like to be the center of attention, as if we were tuned in to watch them
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Will One Shining Moment this year feature every referee who called a game, instead of every team? They seem to like to be the center of attention, as if we were tuned in to watch them
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I'm sure Mark Few will borrow a line from Archie when discussing his team's play:

"our free throw defense was terrible"
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Surprised no one has mentioned the jump ball with about 1:00 to play. Meeks clearly has his hand out of bounds while holding the ball. Ref in the replay is shown looking directly down at the play, standing on the end line. Stares right at the hand out of bounds and then waits until there's a jump ball then blows the whistle. UNC retains possession, scores, and that's all folks.

Ah, but the jump ball came first you'll say, right rollo? Check the pictures and replay video. Never had possession until after the hand came back in bounds.

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Another image from a fraction of a second later when his hand was further out of bounds, still no possession.

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And what was with the flagrant foul they called on Gonzaga's big man towards the end of the game... I guess by rule it may be flagrant, but was total incidental contact - nothing "flagrant" about it.
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The 4th foul on Collins was an absolute joke and major game changer. Too bad the refs decided to step into the light. Bad for everyone (except UNC)
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I'm not going to go as far as saying it was rigged, but the officiating totally sapped the joy out of watching that game, which is becoming a much too often theme in college basketball these days.
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The refs in the championship game IMO were in favor of NC.

You could hear the crowd, in the background on the tv, booing the bogus calls against Gonzaga.

It seemed pretty apparent that the refs were trying to call fouls on Gonzaga's big men.

I had the total at about -5 against Gonzaga.

It seemed like a rigged game.
BS. What about the lack of a call on Collins when he clearly fouled Meeks on the shot that crawled over the rim.

Or the overturn on the airball to give the ball to Gonzaga. The contact after the shot was about the same as the contact Collins had on a late UNC basket inside.

I don't think it was a superbly officiated game, but it wasn't biased or rigged.
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The game may or may not have been poorly officiated but I think it was poorly played on both sides. Lots of bricks thrown. It was a close game but really not that interesting to watch.
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And what was with the flagrant foul they called on Gonzaga's big man towards the end of the game... I guess by rule it may be flagrant, but was total incidental contact - nothing "flagrant" about it.
Even Jim Nash and the announcers said it was incidental and should have been play on. When the ref came over to explain Jim Nash took off his headset and said are you serious. Terrible call that late in the game but nothing will beat the jump ball with the players hand clearly out of bounds.

Those refs should never ref an NCAA tournament game again. Took the whole flow out of the game for both teams. The announcers chuckled about it game long.
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I'm not going to go as far as saying it was rigged, but the officiating totally sapped the joy out of watching that game, which is becoming a much too often theme in college basketball these days.
Rick Pitino was interviewed this morning and had an interesting take. He said that back in the day officials were expected to use judgement and help create a flow of the game. For example if it was getting physical they started calling anything and everything to calm the game down, and if the game was free flowing both sides were committing the little ticky-tack fouls here and there the ref's just let it go.

He said that today the officials are much more by-the-book. If players commit 200 fouls the refs will call 200 fouls, regardless of whether or not each one of those fouls impacted the situation or the game.

I don't know if that's actually true or not, but it's an interesting thought. The replay generation has exactly what it's asked for basically.
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BTW NBA players were tweeting their dislike for the way it was reffed, Let them play, Let the players decide the game. LeBron and company.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
Surprised no one has mentioned the jump ball with about 1:00 to play.
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Meeks's right hand was out of bounds while he was trying to win that jump ball.
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BS. What about the lack of a call on Collins when he clearly fouled Meeks on the shot that crawled over the rim.

Or the overturn on the airball to give the ball to Gonzaga. The contact after the shot was about the same as the contact Collins had on a late UNC basket inside.

I don't think it was a superbly officiated game, but it wasn't biased or rigged.
That is what I mean when I say that the total was about -5 against Gonzaga overall. There were bad calls/fouls that went in favor of Gonzaga, but overall, IMO, NC had about a 5 bad calls or 5 foul advantage.

I think the refs did a poor job, but not an absolutely terrible job.

I do not know if it was rigged, but the refs favored NC.

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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
Rick Pitino was interviewed this morning and had an interesting take. He said that back in the day officials were expected to use judgement and help create a flow of the game. For example if it was getting physical they started calling anything and everything to calm the game down, and if the game was free flowing both sides were committing the little ticky-tack fouls here and there the ref's just let it go.

He said that today the officials are much more by-the-book. If players commit 200 fouls the refs will call 200 fouls, regardless of whether or not each one of those fouls impacted the situation or the game.

I don't know if that's actually true or not, but it's an interesting thought. The replay generation has exactly what it's asked for basically.
Tend to agree with this. And bigger stakes games, the refs get more anal about calling things.

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The game may or may not have been poorly officiated but I think it was poorly played on both sides. Lots of bricks thrown. It was a close game but really not that interesting to watch.
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Absolutely agree. Both teams playing at less than they're capable -- not what you want for a NC game.
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If you let them play and not call all the fouls, which do each official let go and which do they call?

BTW the flagrant call on the big kid was a flagrant call by definition. They can change the rule, but to what standard? Can they say a flagrant must be on purpose. How could a ref judge that to anyone's satisfaction.

The bad call on the flagrant play was the foul on the UNC kid. He never touched the Zag.
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If you let them play and not call all the fouls, which do each official let go and which do they call?

BTW the flagrant call on the big kid was a flagrant call by definition. They can change the rule, but to what standard? Can they say a flagrant must be on purpose. How could a ref judge that to anyone's satisfaction.

The bad call on the flagrant play was the foul on the UNC kid. He never touched the Zag.
I may have this wrong but I think the bs part of the flagrant foul (I believe on Tarnowski) was that there was originally no foul called on him. He was the one fouled. Before he shot free throws they went to the monitor. They couldn't call an ordinary foul on him so they called it a flagrant.
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I may have this wrong but I think the bs part of the flagrant foul (I believe on Tarnowski) was that there was originally no foul called on him. He was the one fouled. Before he shot free throws they went to the monitor. They couldn't call an ordinary foul on him so they called it a flagrant.
Right the foul was on the UNC kid. The reason they went to the monitor was to check if there was a flagrant on Karnowski after the play ended. That is the rule, like it or not.
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Right the foul was on the UNC kid. The reason they went to the monitor was to check if there was a flagrant on Karnowski after the play ended. That is the rule, like it or not.
Yeah, I understand the rule but how do the refs miss the foul but know enough to go to the monitor to check to see if there was a flagrant?
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That happens all the time when someone hits the deck. Who know Berry may have said he hit me in the head. Sometimes minutes later at the next stoppage of play. Happened in the women's NC game after a couple possession changes.
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I am not sure on this, but I think the coach can ask them to check the monitor for a flagrant?
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Rick Pitino was interviewed this morning and had an interesting take. He said that back in the day officials were expected to use judgement and help create a flow of the game. For example if it was getting physical they started calling anything and everything to calm the game down, and if the game was free flowing both sides were committing the little ticky-tack fouls here and there the ref's just let it go.

He said that today the officials are much more by-the-book. If players commit 200 fouls the refs will call 200 fouls, regardless of whether or not each one of those fouls impacted the situation or the game.

I don't know if that's actually true or not, but it's an interesting thought. The replay generation has exactly what it's asked for basically.
Actually, I would be willing to challenge Pitino on that assessment, at least a little.

"Back in the day", players seemed to try harder to avoid contact, so that "fouls called" were really "fouls committed", more often than not. I remember, a few years ago, watching a replay on TV of the 1984 Dayton/DePaul game at the Arena (The Shot). There was a play where Dallas Comegys of DePaul contested one of our guys' shots (Goodwin, maybe?). The stripes got him for a foul in the act of shooting, and when NBC went to the replay, Don Criqui said there was no question that it was a foul. My reaction while watching the replay: "Really? A foul? Not today, it isn't!"

No, today, instead of trying to avoid contact, players seem to be coached to make contact regularly in certain situations, because "they can't call everything". IMHO, it all started about the time that Georgetown's program rose to prominence in the early '80s. He!!, the old Big East (in the pre-football days) even experimented with a "6 Fouls/Player" rule, to help ensure that players could play with more reckless abandon and less risk of fouling out.

"Back in the day", guys who were built like Goodwin, Young, Colbert, Chapman, and (now-Coach) Grant could play the 3, 4, or even the 5, and succeed, because skill was a highly-valued commodity. Last night, we saw glorified hippo wrestling on display. Because "they can't call everything".

Frankly, if I wanted to watch hippo wrestling, I'd tune into ESPN87 to watch real hippos wrestle.
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Announcers often make the comment that the player initiated contact to get the foul. How many times do we see a player drive in the lane with no hope of ever making the shot but they do get the foul called which they initiated.

In UD's upset of tOSU the buckeye player drove the lane in the closing seconds knowing he would more than likely not make the shot but drove in head first with Pollad grabing the ball and fortunately no foul was called.

Same is for the womens game too. They all do it. UConn women are one of the few teams taught to avoid contact when one is driving in the lane. Keep hands straight up and do not make contact. Makes sense too, if you stand upright with hands straight up and keep from making contact you are making it hard for the scorer and if they make it so be it.

But if you stand straight up and make contact with the hip you at worse give them a and one if they make it but worse is you now have a foul. Keeping fouls down is paramount to surviving in todays game. In this situation you not only give up the basket anyway but a freebie and a foul against your defending player. Truly believe Geno teaches his players to defend without contact and giving up the extra possible point and a costly foul.
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Announcers often make the comment that the player initiated contact to get the foul. How many times do we see a player drive in the lane with no hope of ever making the shot but they do get the foul called which they initiated.
In the home win over St. Bonaventure, Jalen Adams made a living doing that very thing down the stretch. He finished 15-17 on free throws, with a significant number coming down the stretch as he continued driving into the lane and into defenders, essentially daring the officials to not call what they'd consistently been calling all game.
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They're making college just like the pros. I don't really watch pro basketball.
Ditto, haven't watched a pro game in years, except for the last 5 or so minutes of the Cavs/Warriors game 7. Actually, outside of the Flyers, don't watch a whole lot of college either. Do love the Flyers though.
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If you let them play and not call all the fouls, which do each official let go and which do they call?

BTW the flagrant call on the big kid was a flagrant call by definition. They can change the rule, but to what standard? Can they say a flagrant must be on purpose. How could a ref judge that to anyone's satisfaction.

The bad call on the flagrant play was the foul on the UNC kid. He never touched the Zag.
So why no flagrant foul when Karnowski got hit in face and poked in the eye the game before? Wasn't even considered, yet was very clear. If you are going to go "by definition", then it needs to be consistent. Players get hit in the head/face every game by accident. Rarely called.

In this case - UNC missed both free throws, so it didn't impact the outcome. I think a few phantom foul calls on Collins were more important to the outcome.
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They're making college just like the pros. I don't really watch pro basketball.
As a Cleveland fan, I watch some but not a ton of Cavs games. I really don't watch any other games not involving Cavs. I don't see it as college officiating being moved toward NBA standards. Maybe its my untrained eye but it never ceases to amaze me that moving picks rarely get called in the NBA and in college even the slightest hint gets called.
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As a Cleveland fan, I watch some but not a ton of Cavs games. I really don't watch any other games not involving Cavs. I don't see it as college officiating being moved toward NBA standards. Maybe its my untrained eye but it never ceases to amaze me that moving picks rarely get called in the NBA and in college even the slightest hint gets called.
Not so much the officiating as the playing style. It's either jack up a three or back it down in the post. There's very little mid-range game.

I also can't stand when the offensive player initiates contact and they call a blocking foul. It's nearly automatic. If the offensive player initiates contact, then barring an absolute mugging by the defender, it should be a no call or a charge.
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Not so much the officiating as the playing style. It's either jack up a three or back it down in the post. There's very little mid-range game.

I also can't stand when the offensive player initiates contact and they call a blocking foul. It's nearly automatic. If the offensive player initiates contact, then barring an absolute mugging by the defender, it should be a no call or a charge.
I would be in favor of a lot more no calls.
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I would be in favor of a lot more no calls.
Someone mentioned earlier, think it was Rollo, about advantage. To me, and I'm sure it's not easy, but if the offensive player initiates contact a foul should only be called if advantage is gained, either by offensive or defensive player. Otherwise, no call.
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.... if the offensive player initiates contact a foul should only be called if advantage is gained, either by offensive or defensive player. Otherwise, no call.
Just another introduction of a subjective decision left in the ref's hands ... which leads to every call looking like it could go your way if you make the right subjective look, or against you if the call goes the other way. A fine example of precisely what is wrong with today's officiating.
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I am not sure the answer to getting more officials, as sadly I see many of the new ones in the game for the money, and not the love of sports or the kids. Still plenty of good guys and gals around though, just need more.

I have said for years that when my kids were out of school, sign me up for basketball. However, I might renege on my promise next year as what I witness every weekend at AAU tournaments gets worse all the time. Until parents who do not know or understand the rules learn to STFU, not sure I want the hassle. About the third time someone screams at me because little Susie got bumped, I am afraid I would open up a big old can of whoop ass on them and tell them what I think. By the end of the game may not be anyone but me left in the gym!

From what you have witnessed Rollo, do parents get exponentially worse every year, or do I just have less patience and growing grumpy in my old age?
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From what you have witnessed Rollo, do parents get exponentially worse every year, or do I just have less patience and growing grumpy in my old age?
Parental behavior is 99% a function of the coach. If the coach behaves and makes it clear to his kids that they behave, it trickles down to the parents. If the coach is a pompous know-it-all royal A-Hole, then so are the parents. It's why, when parents are making fools of themselves*, my first glare and pithy comment is directed at the coach. Many an assistant has been sent into the stands to calm down the idiots based on this type of officiating.



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In game 4 of 6, I had some idiot dad yelling at me about how and when to call 'double dribble' (opposing kid bobbled a dribble...perfectly legal if you know the rules). Of course I ignored him...which only made him yell louder and louder. It was funny. Finally, during a time-out, this moron actually walked onto the court to continue the double-dribble conversation with me...and this was a D2 5th grade boys game! He and the conversation didn't last long. LaVar Ball....you have a long lost twin!

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Parental behavior is 99% a function of the coach. If the coach behaves and makes it clear to his kids that they behave, it trickles down to the parents. If the coach is a pompous know-it-all royal A-Hole, then so are the parents. It's why, when parents are making fools of themselves*, my first glare and pithy comment is directed at the coach. Many an assistant has been sent into the stands to calm down the idiots based on this type of officiating.


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You are correct on probably half the cases, but I have seen many cool and calm coaches, who still have out of control parents. You still did not answer my question though, is it getting worse all the time? How many years have you done this?

Then there is that one fan who can clear his throat pregame loud enough for the entire gym to hear him....................
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You are correct on probably half the cases, but I have seen many cool and calm coaches, who still have out of control parents. You still did not answer my question though, is it getting worse all the time? How many years have you done this?
I took 'Officiating Men's Basketball' at UD in '85 and started my career slowly. I got OHSAA certified in '93 and took some time off when the million-heirs were young. Now that they want to be multi-million-heirs, I had to dive back into it head first and worked about 150 games this season! I plan on officiating basketball until I'm in my mid-70s and see no reason why I can't or won't. As long as the royal ticker is ticking and the royal hang-me-down-thangs are hanging, I see no reason to stop. It's in my blood.

I think High School ball is getting better but that might be a function of experience and the learned ability to focus on the game and ignore everything else.

I believe AAU is getting worse because (a) it's expensive and (b) way too many parents think that because their kid plays AAU that they are somehow on every colleges' radar.

With rare exception, 'National' AAU games are much better behaved than 'American' or 'Regional' games. The lower you go on the AAU totem pole, the lower the behavior expectations of the fans.
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Due to a lack of officials, I had to ref 6 basketball games last Sunday. I'm a 54 year old King with a fake knee and recovering slowly from cancer BS last spring/summer/fall. If you think for 1 second I'm in the mood to put up with any cr*p from a loudmouthed parent, coach or player, you don't have much of a brain.

In game 4 of 6, I had some idiot dad yelling at me about how and when to call 'double dribble' (opposing kid bobbled a dribble...perfectly legal if you know the rules). Of course I ignored him...which only made him yell louder and louder. It was funny. Finally, during a time-out, this moron actually walked onto the court to continue the double-dribble conversation with me...and this was a D2 5th grade boys game! He and the conversation didn't last long. LaVar Ball....you have a long lost twin!

God help us all...
Please tell me you tossed him.

My daughter plays on a soccer team with an amazing group of parents, girls, and coaches. As parents we have an unwritten rule that you shut up and watch the game. The only time we speak up is when it's a safety issue, such as when someone on the other team is pushing / elbowing in a way that could hurt someone.

Most games (3 out of 4) there is nary a word spoken loud enough for the refs to hear, and even when something is said it's along the lines of "come on now, let's keep it clean ref" or something like that.

Compared to the horror stories I hear this group is incredible.
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When my 7 year old was playing soccer a mother on the other team was constantly ringing a cow bell. So the next time we played I brought a small air tank and a pair of extra large semi AIR HORNS.......problem solved and great laugh from some. It did bring the head ref over to talk as it could be heard over all 7 fields.
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When my 7 year old was playing soccer a mother on the other team was constantly ringing a cow bell. So the next time we played I brought a small air tank and a pair of extra large semi AIR HORNS.......problem solved and great laugh from some. It did bring the head ref over to talk as it could be heard over all 7 fields.
Trotwood vs ????? 3rd grade game in February....2 TW mom's brought cow bells to the game that I assumed they'd ring when their son or TW scored. WRONG! They only rang the d*mn things when the opponent was at the FT line! 3rd grade! UGH! So I had to stop the game and tell them that noise makers are illegal and if they continue to use them I'll have to ask them to leave. You'd have thought I stole their diamond rings by the way they acted. But it worked...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, given the chance 90% of parents will ruin their kids activities. And it's true.

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