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Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan View Post
Wonder how long it will take to fill out the staff.
Sounds like at least a partial staff will be in place in the next few days. He could have an NBA guy in mind though for one of the positions in which case he might keep a spot unfilled until the season wraps.
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Sounds like at least a partial staff will be in place in the next few days. He could have an NBA guy in mind though for one of the positions in which case he might keep a spot unfilled until the season wraps.
I think that sounds feasible too that an NBA coach comes on board.
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Archie Miller quote in Gregg Doyel indystar.com article: the new IU staff “will have a flavor of Dayton.”

This, plus Groce to Akron may solidify Ostrom and/or Kuwik to IU.
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...This, plus Groce to Akron may solidify Ostrom and/or Kuwik to IU.
If Akron passed up on Ostrom or Kuwik for Groce, they made a HUGE mistake!
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Originally Posted by 1903 Flyer View Post
Archie Miller quote in Gregg Doyel indystar.com article: the new IU staff “will have a flavor of Dayton.”

This, plus Groce to Akron may solidify Ostrom and/or Kuwik to IU.
You also would consider your Dir of Ops part of the staff. I'd be happy if 1 assistant (Kuwik) and one of the Dir of Ops guys left if that left Ostrom on AGs staff. Probably won't happen, but that's a home run for me.

Whatever plays out, the fact we still appear to have every recruit still locked in at this point in the transition (abeit subject to change) is very, very impressive. It says a lot for this University, the current team who are in contact with the recruits, Sullivan, and even AM and his staff that locked them down to begin with. This very rarely happens. There have been no reports of anyone requesting a release and that is very rare. It has to be frustrating for all those coaches that have been circling, hoping to pounce and can't. And with AG getting face time with our recruits, I'm more and more confident we will keep most if not all. TrueTeam is alive and well.
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Maybe this is a little crass, but I am reminded of the Wolf in Pulp Fiction at this particular moment...

"Well, let's not start sucking each other's ***** just yet."

I apologize to the sensitive in the audience, but it fits for me right now. It ain't over until it's over.
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My gut tells me that K&O are joining RMK Jr in the Land of Bird. I think he leaves the recruits be.
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Donnie Jones is being looked at as a possible assistant. Thoughts??
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Just because we haven't been told a recruit was granted release doesn't mean they haven't been granted a release. We are still a long way out from knowing how this class shakes out.
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You also would consider your Dir of Ops part of the staff. I'd be happy if 1 assistant (Kuwik) and one of the Dir of Ops guys left if that left Ostrom on AGs staff. Probably won't happen, but that's a home run for me.

Whatever plays out, the fact we still appear to have every recruit still locked in at this point in the transition (abeit subject to change) is very, very impressive. It says a lot for this University, the current team who are in contact with the recruits, Sullivan, and even AM and his staff that locked them down to begin with. This very rarely happens. There have been no reports of anyone requesting a release and that is very rare. It has to be frustrating for all those coaches that have been circling, hoping to pounce and can't. And with AG getting face time with our recruits, I'm more and more confident we will keep most if not all. TrueTeam is alive and well.
I thought I remembered reading that Bill Comar was joining Archie at IU as Director of Basketball Operations but I searched and could not find anything. Comar is still listed as holding that position at UD.
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Donnie Jones is being looked at as a possible assistant. Thoughts??
Not an awful hire. Worked with AG at Marshall and Florida. 10 years of HC experience albeit not real successful. Could do worse.
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I don't know much about Donnie Jones but past recruiting violation and "could do worse" don't give me a warm and fuzzy about the guy.
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Donnie Jones was under a 3 year "show cause" penalty from violations stemming from his time as head coach at UCF... he kept his job during the penalty, then was fired at end of 2015-16 season.

I am not thrilled about bringing in a guy with a known history of recruiting violations, whether AG is buds with him or not.
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I thought I remembered reading that Bill Comar was joining Archie at IU as Director of Basketball Operations but I searched and could not find anything. Comar is still listed as holding that position at UD.
You are correct that early on this was posted somewhere, but are also correct nothing official yet.
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Orlando Antigua hired as assistant coach for Illinois's new coach Brad Underwood.
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Donnie Jones was under a 3 year "show cause" penalty from violations stemming from his time as head coach at UCF... he kept his job during the penalty, then was fired at end of 2015-16 season.

I am not thrilled about bringing in a guy with a known history of recruiting violations, whether AG is buds with him or not.
The violations were for both Football and MBB at UCF that ended with the AD leaving and a football coach resigning. Even with the violations, the new AD at UCF gave Jones a 5 year extension the following year. I believe that is more telling than the actually violation. If he was involved more, he definitely would not have got the extension and probably would have been fired since the school would be able to void the contract and not have to pay a buyout for NCAA violations.
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Still the 'show cause' is a burden for next employer. Pass.
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Still the 'show cause' is a burden for next employer. Pass.
Show clause already ended.
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It's a burden still. I would rather avoid a cover-up or even a self-report from someone with a history of not reporting a violation. Pass
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Ask Jim Tressel about ALL his suitors after his Show Cause..
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Ask Jim Tressel about ALL his suitors after his Show Cause..
I know for a fact that Tressel had plenty of schools that wanted him as a coach after his penalty was up. He announced before his show-cause was up that he was done coaching. He is very happy with his role in the academic side of things now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/s...tate.html?_r=0

Bruce Pearl is another coach that was in high demand after his sanctions with the NCAA as well. If a coach wins, many feel it's worth the risk. Now I am not saying that Donnie Jones is. I am just stating that the show-cause is not as big as detriment as you are making it out to be.
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Tressel's best offer was a MAC job. I'd have retired too.
When you have a clean program why would you give the NCAA snoop dogs any reason to keep an eye on you?
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While Archie said that he is waiting to announce his entire staff at once, it is public knowledge in Bloomington that Ostrom and Comar (as DoBO) are definitely going to IU. Only question is what does Kuwik do.

As for recruits, UD will certainly grant any there release that ask. It's not worth it to risk the bad PR (plus do you really want a kid that doesn't want to be at UD?).

It will certainly hurt in the short run to lose some of those incoming Fr, but remember that just like UD, many other programs are releasing kids from the LOI b/c of coaching changes. So in addition to graduate transfers and regular transfer, there is this 3rd pool of players for AG to look at when UD loses 1 or more of those incoming freshmen that had signed LOI.
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While Archie said that he is waiting to announce his entire staff at once, it is public knowledge in Bloomington that Ostrom and Comar (as DoBO) are definitely going to IU. Only question is what does Kuwik do.

As for recruits, UD will certainly grant any there release that ask. It's not worth it to risk the bad PR (plus do you really want a kid that doesn't want to be at UD?).

It will certainly hurt in the short run to lose some of those incoming Fr, but remember that just like UD, many other programs are releasing kids from the LOI b/c of coaching changes. So in addition to graduate transfers and regular transfer, there is this 3rd pool of players for AG to look at when UD loses 1 or more of those incoming freshmen that had signed LOI.

If its "public knowledge" Ostrom is gone to IU, id love a source or a link please. Thanks
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If its "public knowledge" Ostrom is gone to IU, id love a source or a link please. Thanks
The only "public knowledge" is Joblonski's tweet that XW made a comment about Ostrom leaving. That has been debunked by one poster as a kid goofing around.
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I love it. Because one poster "debunked" it, it isn't true. Jablonski said XW and two other players said the same thing to him that day regarding Ostrom. We have real media reporting this vs. an anonymous UDPrider who "debunked" it and you're going to believe the jaboroni on the message board.
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Alright so I did some reading up on Donnie Jones because I was curious what violations he was alleged to have committed since their football program was also cited for infractions.

I found two articles that I think give good background.

The first is a shorter piece in which the writer opines that UCF was just doing what all the big boys do. You can ignore that take but read the article for two reasons:

1) For a quick summation of the incident that got Jones in trouble. Key players: Kevin Ware (the kid from Louisville who suffered that gruesome injury in the tourney) and a shady runner named Kenneth Caldwell.

2) For the comparison to violations that Roy Williams alleged to have occurred with the recruitment of Mike Miller to Florida, when both Ostrom and AG were on Billy D's staff. Unlike what happened with Donnie Jones, Billy D and the rest of his staff were ultimately investigated and cleared by the NCAA of all wrongdoing. But as you read, do keep in mind that pre-Florida, Tom Ostrom was himself one of these runners, albeit one who made it out of that seedy AAU underworld.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-ncaa-big-boys

Then, if you want more details here is the longer New York Times piece that details the incident. Oddly, our old buddy Oliver Purnell is quoted therein:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/30/sp...30recruit.html
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Comments from IU's 247 site mention Ostrom a lot and there's a pretty good article about him but as of yesterday it appeared to be speculation and wishful thinking.
If I knew at one time that Archie recruited Darrell Revis to play basketball I've forgotten. But there's an article on their site telling about it.
Couple pretty good articles on Archie. Didn't see any mention of Archie saying anything about assistants other than Bruiser Flint. Saw where Bobby Knight and Calipari both gave ringing endorsements for hiring Archie..
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Well it sure sounds like there may've been some animosity from the big boys over Kevin Ware. If that's all the story surrounding the violations then i tend to believe it. NY Times article seems to be pretty vanilla as far as pointing fingers. But it does back up the other story where the writer is definitely on Jones' side. Like I said if that's all the violation to show cause by a future employer, it does appear to be petty. Maybe even channeled down by the big boys themselves. Snitch.
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If its "public knowledge" Ostrom is gone to IU, id love a source or a link please. Thanks
Ostrom is still on campus. Did hear AG got two of his men....then later said is not cleared all the hurdles, whatever they are.

If he did get two that means one will be gone, unless one is the DoBO. Too much uncertainty, as for going to IU think Ostrom would already be there by now to help AM with recruiting as the quiet period ends today.

Doubt we know anything certain till first of week after all dust settles.

DDN is reporting Grant has stated that no one has asked for their release. Assume that is recruits and not assistants as we already know Griffin is to Cruse.

Also DDN reporting Grant will meet face to face with all the recruits by this weekend. Only question mark would be svoboda as he was only a verbal.

Oh and yes Grant is attempting to keep all the recruits, per DDN.

Pretty much what my sources have said except two are differing on Grants two assistants, was says it almost done the other not so fast.
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I love it. Because one poster "debunked" it, it isn't true. Jablonski said XW and two other players said the same thing to him that day regarding Ostrom. We have real media reporting this vs. an anonymous UDPrider who "debunked" it and you're going to believe the jaboroni on the message board.
First of all it's jabroni, and second I stated ONE poster mentioned it, I have no idea if it's true, but the Jablonski tweet is apparantly the only "fact" being used.
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Ostrom is still on campus. Did hear AG got two of his men....then later said is not cleared all the hurdles, whatever they are.

If he did get two that means one will be gone, unless one is the DoBO. Too much uncertainty, as for going to IU think Ostrom would already be there by now to help AM with recruiting as the quiet period ends today.

Doubt we know anything certain till first of week after all dust settles.

DDN is reporting Grant has stated that no one has asked for their release. Assume that is recruits and not assistants as we already know Griffin is to Cruse.

Also DDN reporting Grant will meet face to face with all the recruits by this weekend. Only question mark would be svoboda as he was only a verbal.

Oh and yes Grant is attempting to keep all the recruits, per DDN.

Pretty much what my sources have said except two are differing on Grants two assistants, was says it almost done the other not so fast.
What is DoBO?
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Don't think anything is certain in either AM or AG camp right now, too many ifs ands and buts.

All I do know is that the quiet or dead period ends today. Let the chips fall where they may and may we have the best staff and recruits on board by next week.
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The only "public knowledge" is Joblonski's tweet that XW made a comment about Ostrom leaving. That has been debunked by one poster as a kid goofing around.
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I love it. Because one poster "debunked" it, it isn't true. .
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First of all it's jabroni, and second I stated ONE poster mentioned it, I have no idea if it's true, but the Jablonski tweet is apparantly the only "fact" being used.
Hello, I assume I am the one poster I believe your talking about.

Jablonski did indeed tweet what X told him.

I, the one anonymous poster, posted what I was told by a close family member of a current player, that the comment was nothing more than a few of the kids goofing around, on April Fools Day by the way. Talk is cheap (as I said in the original post) but I have no reason to believe it to not be true. X is known to be a bit of a joker.
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Director of Basketball Operations
What is a Director of Basketball Operations?

Seriously, didn't it used to (and maybe still is) the lowest of the paid positions. Maybe grad assistants got some small stipend but I believe it was a pretty low paying job. It now must pay some significant amount of money that a 45ish year old man can make a living doing it.

This is where all the biggest chunk of money in college sports is going - paying coaches and athletic administrators.
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What is a Director of Basketball Operations?

Seriously, didn't it used to (and maybe still is) the lowest of the paid positions. Maybe grad assistants got some small stipend but I believe it was a pretty low paying job. It now must pay some significant amount of money that a 45ish year old man can make a living doing it.

This is where all the biggest chunk of money in college sports is going - paying coaches and athletic administrators.
DoBO's are essentially aspiring coaches. They handle a lot of the day to day things in the basketball office. They work with the school's business office and equipment room for trips to road games and ordering and managing their equipment. They also typically run all the summer camps that the school hosts. Depending on the school, they may also be the liaison to the academic side of things for the athletes. That is why some schools will even have assistant DoBO's now. Typically the DoBO also oversee's the student managers and the GA's. They are a very important part of the coaching staff. While they don't get paid what the assistant's do, the average DoBO makes 50-60K.
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By that description and pay grade, it sounds like an administrative assistant position, and not an assistant coach.
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By that description and pay grade, it sounds like an administrative assistant position, and not an assistant coach.
That is what I was thinking. I thought maybe the pay had been increased for that position over the years. Comar is 45 or so and has been doing that job for a long time. Not what I would call an aspiring coach.
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By that description and pay grade, it sounds like an administrative assistant position, and not an assistant coach.
Technically they can't coach. During practice they are not supposed to be on the actual playing floor. Many times, they will be sitting at the scores table running the clock or charting during practice. But unlike the coaches, the DoBO's can sit in on open gyms, and work with the athletes year round when the coaches cannot. To help prepare them become a coach, they are very involved in watching film with the assistants coaches and helping with the scouting reports for their opponents.

With that being said, there are some DoBO's that are career DoBO's. This is more common in football when they make more money and typically are less involved in the coaching duties.
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Ostrom is still on campus. Did hear AG got two of his men....then later said is not cleared all the hurdles, whatever they are.
If it was Donnie Jones, I can see their being hurdles as in extra due diligence required by UD Administration due to him having been previously flagged by the NCAA.

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Pretty much what my sources have said except two are differing on Grants two assistants, was says it almost done the other not so fast.
Maybe "not so fast" was a clue? But why would Anthony Grant hire Lee Corso?
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Alright so I did some reading up on Donnie Jones because I was curious what violations he was alleged to have committed since their football program was also cited for infractions.

I found two articles that I think give good background.

The first is a shorter piece in which the writer opines that UCF was just doing what all the big boys do. You can ignore that take but read the article for two reasons:

1) For a quick summation of the incident that got Jones in trouble. Key players: Kevin Ware (the kid from Louisville who suffered that gruesome injury in the tourney) and a shady runner named Kenneth Caldwell.

2) For the comparison to violations that Roy Williams alleged to have occurred with the recruitment of Mike Miller to Florida, when both Ostrom and AG were on Billy D's staff. Unlike what happened with Donnie Jones, Billy D and the rest of his staff were ultimately investigated and cleared by the NCAA of all wrongdoing. But as you read, do keep in mind that pre-Florida, Tom Ostrom was himself one of these runners, albeit one who made it out of that seedy AAU underworld.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-ncaa-big-boys

Then, if you want more details here is the longer New York Times piece that details the incident. Oddly, our old buddy Oliver Purnell is quoted therein:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/30/sp...30recruit.html
Is this a guy you'd be worried about associating with Dayton?

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Is this a guy you'd be worried about associating with Dayton?

/didn't read the articles
If UD hires him, read them. I think Jones got screwed. He's probably a good guy. And a good recruiter. But I'd rather UD hire a guy who never had NCAA issues of course. It just seems not great for image. But that's really my only beef with it.
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If UD hires him, read them. I think Jones got screwed. He's probably a good guy. And a good recruiter. But I'd rather UD hire a guy who never had NCAA issues of course. It just seems not great for image. But that's really my only beef with it.
I remember him from that scandal and the Michael Chandler fiasco. Chandler was a top 30-40 Center from Indianapolis who committed to UCF, Xavier & Louisville before ending up in Junior College & washing out at Oregon never doing anything.

I went back on Scout & looked at his recruiting classes & he pulled some real talent under his watch. His last recruiting class at Marshall he landed Hasan Whiteside & DeAndre Kane who had a nice run at Iowa St after transferring. He landed Shaq Johnson from Jacksonville who Gregory was after the class before along Damier Pitts who was a top 100 kid out of Hargrave.

At UCF he Adonys Henriquez who sat out for St. Louis as a transfer & had some BCS offers. He also got BJ Taylor for them who was an under the radar guy who was a 2nd team All AAC PG

At Marshall & UCF it seemed like he punched above his weight recruiting wise.

I know Grant recruited some Florida guys at VCU & if Jones came on board UD might be able to open some new recruiting territory down there
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If UD hires him, read them. I think Jones got screwed. He's probably a good guy. And a good recruiter. But I'd rather UD hire a guy who never had NCAA issues of course. It just seems not great for image. But that's really my only beef with it.
I don't think it has any impact on UD's image. He would be an assistant coach, I don't think the media/common fans really care who UD hires as an assistant. Most people on here have never even heard of Donnie Jones either. I wouldn't have an issue with the hire.
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No, but the NCAA watchdogs know him. An additional cover-up here in the smallest degree could result in the program being hit with the dreaded Lack of Institutional Control, given his previous Show Cause penalty. I'm not saying it's likely but it is viable.
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No, but the NCAA watchdogs know him. An additional cover-up here in the smallest degree could result in the program being hit with the dreaded Lack of Institutional Control, given his previous Show Cause penalty. I'm not saying it's likely but it is viable.
This article's a few years old, but sheds some light into the impacts of the show cause penalty: amp.usatoday.com/story/9632273
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No, but the NCAA watchdogs know him. An additional cover-up here in the smallest degree could result in the program being hit with the dreaded Lack of Institutional Control, given his previous Show Cause penalty. I'm not saying it's likely but it is viable.
As long as UNC still has a non-penalized athletics program other schools have nothing to worry about when it comes to "Lack of Institutional Control."
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As long as UNC still has a non-penalized athletics program other schools have nothing to worry about when it comes to "Lack of Institutional Control."
There's a double standard it seems. Other schools will be hit with "lack of institutional control" but NCAA is content to look the other way with UNC. But to bring things full circle, all the way back to the topic of potential assistants (Donnie Jones in this case), the article I linked previously compared the NCAA investigation of UCF under Donnie Jones to an NCAA investigation of Florida when Tom Ostrom, Anthony Grant and Donnie Jones were all on Billy Donovan's staff. The ironic thing about it is that Florida was investigated simply because Roy Williams told the NCAA to investigate them - not because he had anything on Florida, but because they beat him out for a recruit! Florida was cleared as the NCAA came back with no findings of any wrongdoing whatsoever, but that right there shows you something. Not only is the NCAA just willing to look the other way with Roy Williams, they'll also investigate whomever Roy tells them to!

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There's a double standard it seems. Other schools will be hit with "lack of institutional control" but NCAA is content to look the other way with UNC. But to bring things full circle, all the way back to the topic of potential assistants (Donnie Jones in this case), the article I linked previously compared the NCAA investigation of UCF under Donnie Jones to an NCAA investigation of Florida when Tom Ostrom, Anthony Grant and Donnie Jones were all on Billy Donovan's staff. The ironic thing about it is that Florida was investigated simply because Roy Williams told the NCAA to investigate them - not because he had anything on Florida, but because they beat him out for a recruit! Florida was cleared as the NCAA came back with no findings of any wrongdoing whatsoever, but that right there shows you something. Not only is the NCAA just willing to look the other way with Roy Williams, they'll also investigate whomever Roy tells them to!

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Must be something in the water down there because their football team had major infractions, too, and nothing seemed to come of it..
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There's a double standard it seems. Other schools will be hit with "lack of institutional control" but NCAA is content to look the other way with UNC. But to bring things full circle, all the way back to the topic of potential assistants (Donnie Jones in this case), the article I linked previously compared the NCAA investigation of UCF under Donnie Jones to an NCAA investigation of Florida when Tom Ostrom, Anthony Grant and Donnie Jones were all on Billy Donovan's staff. The ironic thing about it is that Florida was investigated simply because Roy Williams told the NCAA to investigate them - not because he had anything on Florida, but because they beat him out for a recruit! Florida was cleared as the NCAA came back with no findings of any wrongdoing whatsoever, but that right there shows you something. Not only is the NCAA just willing to look the other way with Roy Williams, they'll also investigate whomever Roy tells them to!

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-ncaa-big-boys
Typically I would agree with you about the NCAA and UNC, but I do know for a fact, UNC ****ed off the NCAA with their current case of academic fraud. The NCAA was going to just slap a bunch of secondary violations on them, until UNC wanted to even fight those. I would not be surprised if the NCAA actually gives UNC a close to fair punishment this time around.

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Typically I would agree with you about the NCAA and UNC, but I do know for a fact, UNC ****ed off the NCAA with their current case of academic fraud. The NCAA was going to just slap a bunch of secondary violations on them, until UNC wanted to even fight those. I would not be surprised if the NCAA actually gives UNC a close to fair punishment this time around.

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Close to fair? Not unless the NCAA can erase not only from the record books but also from our memories the fact that UNC played in back to back championship games, winning one, when they probably shouldn't have even been eligible for postseason play!
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Close to fair? Not unless the NCAA can erase not only from the record books but also from our memories the fact that UNC played in back to back championship games, winning one, when they probably shouldn't have even been eligible for postseason play!
Well, this would have already been a done deal had the NCAA not reopened the investigation with the purpose of bring down the hammer this time.
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IU boards saying Ed Schillig from UCLA will be Archie's 3rd assistant at IU (joining Flint and Ostrom), so that leaves in place the chance that Kuwik will stay at UD w Grant.
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IU boards saying Ed Schillig from UCLA will be Archie's 3rd assistant at IU (joining Flint and Ostrom), so that leaves in place the chance that Kuwik will stay at UD w Grant.
You mean Ed Schilling who went to Miami and coached at Wright State? Didn't realize he was at UCLA.
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You mean Ed Schilling who went to Miami and coached at Wright State? Didn't realize he was at UCLA.
Yes. Guessing that Calipari is the connection with Archie. Schilling worked w Cal at Memphis

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You mean Ed Schilling who went to Miami and coached at Wright State? Didn't realize he was at UCLA.
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Should we be concerned that a week in there hasn't been an assistant hired?
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If information in another thread regarding an assistant is accurate, it's a bit concerning that the admin nixed someone Grant had lined up. That doesn't bode well. If there was anyone in Grant's background the admin was concerned about, those concerns should have been made known well in advance.
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If information in another thread regarding an assistant is accurate, it's a bit concerning that the admin nixed someone Grant had lined up. That doesn't bode well. If there was anyone in Grant's background the admin was concerned about, those concerns should have been made known well in advance.
as quick as things went with the interview and the hire with Grant I'm sure that they did not discuss everything nor could they have. I am sure Anthony Grant wasn't even sure exactly who he would want to bring on as an assistant at that point. I'm sure he had a bunch of names in his database but again this was a pretty quick process.
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as quick as things went with the interview and the hire with Grant I'm sure that they did not discuss everything nor could they have. I am sure Anthony Grant wasn't even sure exactly who he would want to bring on as an assistant at that point. I'm sure he had a bunch of names in his database but again this was a pretty quick process.
Just like AD's who have a list of coaches in case of a coaching change, coaches have a list of potential assistants if they switch jobs or get promoted to HC. Also, from being on enough search committees for new coach hires (Never MBB or football, but pretty much every other sport) asking a coach who he has in mind for assistants is normally in the first 4-5 questions by somebody on the committee.
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Just like AD's who have a list of coaches in case of a coaching change, coaches have a list of potential assistants if they switch jobs or get promoted to HC. Also, from being on enough search committees for new coach hires (Never MBB or football, but pretty much every other sport) asking a coach who he has in mind for assistants is normally in the first 4-5 questions by somebody on the committee.
But that is the job of the AD to have that list especially with the carousel of college coaches. I do not disagree with that but you can certainly imagine the whirlwind that Grant was going through in the couple days prior to the interview. Obviously the assistant coach that got rejected was probably not mentioned at the time of the interview as AG's list of potential coaches changes quite frequently as coaches get jobs/ change jobs all the time. I am quite certain that a week ago Saturday Morning Anthony Grant was not expecting to be a head coach in college anytime soon and especially within the next year.
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But that is the job of the AD to have that list especially with the carousel of college coaches. I do not disagree with that but you can certainly imagine the whirlwind that Grant was going through in the couple days prior to the interview. Obviously the assistant coach that got rejected was probably not mentioned at the time of the interview as AG's list of potential coaches changes quite frequently as coaches get jobs/ change jobs all the time. I am quite certain that a week ago Saturday Morning Anthony Grant was not expecting to be a head coach in college anytime soon and especially within the next year.
I don't disagree with you that Grant may not have been planning on being a college coach again, especially this soon. But from what I know about AG he is all business and very detail oriented. I don't think he takes the job without at least having an idea of who could be on his staff. Any coach that has been in the game as long as AG has a list of potential coaches.
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Yes but AG's list also gets revised just as Neil's does and probable weekly/monthly.AG probably called multiple coaches to gage their interest both prior to his interview and, obviously, immediately after and had to both add and cancel names due to recent hires, coaches staying put in existing jobs, new names of interest,etc. Just saying not everything is quite as transparent and as black and white as it may seem. This coaching profession, if anything, requires adjustments on the fly.
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Now that Ostrom and Comar are going with Archie to Indiana, what is the word on Kuwik? Just heard it on WHIO.

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There's a double standard it seems...
The more things change, the more they stay the same. I remember a joke that was told in the late 1980s: "The NCAA is so upset about the violations at UNLV that they've slapped another year's probation on Cleveland State!"

I'll take their efforts toward "institutional purity" seriously when they force UNC to vacate this year's NCAA Title.
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I'll take their efforts for "institutional purity" serious, as soon as Baylor gets the death penalty. Lifetime achiecement for covering up dozens of rape cases, making cash payments, harboring a murderer, igoring or even worse making up terrible lies about rape victim's and a kid who was murdered, all to try to win. As annoying as it is what UNC is doing, Baylor (and Penn State) are the worst. Absolutely disgusting what these schools allowed to transpire.
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Now that Ostrom and Comar are going with Archie to Indiana, what is the word on Kuwik? Just heard it on WHIO.

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Wouldn't it be interesting if Johnny Davis signed on as an assistant, and round it out with Damon Goodwin. An all UD staff. Lots of experience, knowledge, and talent.
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I know there's a few people on here plugged into the program. Anyone know if Pelphrey is in play for one of the AC spots? My hunch is he wouldn't leave Bama, but I know he's tight with AG.
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I know there's a few people on here plugged into the program. Anyone know if Pelphrey is in play for one of the AC spots? My hunch is he wouldn't leave Bama, but I know he's tight with AG.
Nothing on my end but two names have popped up as possible hires. Hopefully no hurdles in the way.
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Nothing on my end but two names have popped up as possible hires. Hopefully no hurdles in the way.
Who are you hearing? Tried to DM but looks like your inbox is full.
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DM not sure what that is.
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I'm thinking Andy Farrell could be coming back in some capacity. In the last couple weeks, he has followed: Trey Landers, Xeyrius Williams, John Crosby, Nahziah Carter, Jordan Pierce, Jordan Davis, Frankie Hughes and Mark Alstork...

Farrell was at Dayton from 2003-07, where he was head student assistant under BG. Then 2007-08 he worked as a grad assistant for Grant at VCU before going to work as the video coordinator on Purnell's staff at Depaul for a few years.

He's an assistant at a community college in Mississippi now.
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DM not sure what that is.
Direct message. Should have said PM as in private message though as that's the lingo here.
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Nothing on my end but two names have popped up as possible hires. Hopefully no hurdles in the way.
Any feel for time frame?

If more of the recruits request release, AG may need a little help.
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Originally Posted by Bucketnight View Post
Any feel for time frame?

If more of the recruits request release, AG may need a little help.
This is getting really interesting as the tweets are saying Ostrom and
Comar to IU, yet neither IU or UD has updated their staff to indicate it being true.

Duquesne reporting Walsh from Dayton joining their staff. Sounds like Duq may have gotten the message to upgrade their bball program or go.. Just mu .02

Carter tweeted he got his release and is going prep for year. Might be good for him. That leaves two and a half left. The half being svoboda as his camp is and has been silent.

Indian is still over on their ships so MW will have to wait it out if he want to go to IU. But my questions whom from IU has reached out to Wright. Could be a potential NCAA investigation.

Rumor is we have two assistants ready if they pass the AD and Admin hurdles, not sure why these guys aren't vetted before it gets to this stage.

Hopefully Ag will announce at least one if not both tomorrow, but after the Donnie episode no one wants to say too much.

Heading out to Pa and Short Hills, NJ tomorrow so will be traveling through Dayton. Hope to spend a couple days and talk to ppl eye to eye. Too many texts, pm,s emails, and phone calls. hard to keep up with all the unsubstantiated rumors.

One of our recruits is from Short Hills I believe, if he wants to talk with me i'll be the one in the motor home on I78

Good news has to be coming soon. Ag is working his tail off with recruits, returning players possible assistants. Yes he could use some help.
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I'm pretty sure Ostrom to Indiana is a done deal despite them not updating their website

Gotta say I'm a little concerned about the pace of adding assistants here. What, we're going on two weeks without a single hire. Spring recruiting is fast & furious

I realize he wants to get these hires right but Jack Owen at Miami got hired after AG & has two assistants & a DOBO on board. Groce had his first assistant at Akron several days after he was hired.

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I'm pretty sure Ostrom to Indiana is a done deal despite them not updating their website

Gotta say I'm a little concerned about the pace of adding assistants here. What, we're going on two weeks without a single hire. Spring recruiting is fast & furious

I realize he wants to get these hires right but Jack Owen at Miami got hired after AG & has two assistants & a DOBO on board. Groce had his first assistant at Akron several days after he was hired.

One of the reasons to hire a 9 year HC is to hit the ground running
It's a lot harder to hit the ground running when the head coach has been sitting on an NBA bench for 2 years, and has his first assistant coaching choice nixed by the AD/President. This was one of my fears with hiring AG.
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I agree. The staff should be complete by now but AG's yet to hire the first real coach.
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I want to hear the benefits of waiting versus being expedient during the process. Anyone want to give that a stab?
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Seems very apparent to me that if the Administration nixed AG's first choice as assistant coach then that is a bad reflection on how well they thought they knew him when they hired him. Furthermore are we seeing gridlock between AG and the Administration..now because of it?
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I want to hear the benefits of waiting versus being expedient during the process. Anyone want to give that a stab?
If hiring from the NBA ranks, those guys are tied up... But otherwise, you'd think it would be done quickly.
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I guess UD is at the mercy of NBA teams that would grant a release to one of their assistants.
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What a Cluster F..K, athletic director and who else in the administration.
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Seems very apparent to me that if the Administration nixed AG's first choice as assistant coach then that is a bad reflection on how well they thought they knew him when they hired him. Furthermore are we seeing gridlock between AG and the Administration..now because of it?
Hard to tell, but I'm guessing that Alabama and the NBA are a lot looser on their character requirements and more concerned about production. Also, AG was a player here, not a hiring manager. Different situations.
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I'm not too concerned about the timeline here...yet. We don't know what is going on with the two assistants still on staff. We don't know what's going on with the DoOps or the assistant DoOps. We know one assistant position is open. We know an assistant to the head coach has been hired. It appears (TBConfirmed) Kuwit might be staying. I'd say everything else is TBD.
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If I remember correctly, didn't it take Archie over a month to fill his staff? Wasn't Griffin hired in mid May? Sometimes it takes time.
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With it being Holy Thursday, I am going to go all Ponctius Pilate and wash my hands of any responsibility for this article because I have never heard of the paper or the writer but it does indicate that Ostrom is already on the IU campus.

http://www.heraldbulletin.com/sports...4e478ea33.html

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If I remember correctly, didn't it take Archie over a month to fill his staff? Wasn't Griffin hired in mid May? Sometimes it takes time.
Man, why dont you twist this even further by offering up some more excuses for AG. The last piece isnt comparable to the first in the hiring of assistants. But i thought you knew that.
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Man, why dont you twist this even further by offering up some more excuses for AG. The last piece isnt comparable to the first in the hiring of assistants. But i thought you knew that.
Not making excuses, just trying to settle the nerves of a lot of people on edge. Still plenty of time for AG to fill his staff before AM finished his.
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I'm not too concerned about the timeline here...yet. We don't know what is going on with the two assistants still on staff. We don't know what's going on with the DoOps or the assistant DoOps. We know one assistant position is open. We know an assistant to the head coach has been hired. It appears (TBConfirmed) Kuwit might be staying. I'd say everything else is TBD.
Pretty much says it all. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING. ALL WE ARE DOING IS SPECULATING!
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Not making excuses, just trying to settle the nerves of a lot of people on edge. Still plenty of time for AG to fill his staff before AM finished his.
What are you the basketball whisperer or something.
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