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Old 04-03-2017, 11:39 AM
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Who is staying - Who is leaving - Confirmed Reports Only

There are a few threads tracking this, but they are full of speculation, hearsay, off topic conversation, Archie-Hating, and Ray Harper. Lots and lots of Ray Harper.

I thought it would be nice to have a thread free from speculation, guesses, and off topic banter. I love that stuff, but it's hard to sift through that and find confirmed reports.

I am starting this thread to be the home of CONFIRMED reports of arrivals, departures, and retention. If possible, please link to sources.

CONFIRMED DEPARTURES:
Archie Miller
Allen Griffen
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasket...assistant.html

CONFIRMED ARRIVALS:
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CONFIRMED RETENTION:
Xeyrius
Crosby
Mikesell
D Davis

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/spo...nUlKVezOVCngI/

I only included players on record talking about next season. I have not seen anything from Cunningham or other players. Please feel free to add them if I missed them.
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I thought it would be nice to have a thread free from speculation, guesses, and off topic banter. I love that stuff, but it's hard to sift through that and find confirmed reports.

I am starting this thread to be the home of CONFIRMED reports of arrivals, departures, and retention. If possible, please link to sources.

I feel sorry for you. The goal you set is un-achievable in today's world. But have at it if you must!

Oh! BTW this was a confirmed view point!
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Confirmed reports only? Explains why there is only 1 post/reply so far.

What about predictive analysis? And if so, do you have to show your work?

If so, I would be interested in the predictive analysis of our Board's RamodWaleskowski, after successfully solving the mystery surrounding exactly when Josh Cunningham would return to the court. Add to that his/her prediction of Dayton missing the tournament entirely after the loss to Davidson and I feel like we can take his/her predictions as confirmed reports.
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Can we get him back? He annoyed me at first, but he may have been the best thing to ever happen at UDpride upon further reflection.

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Somebody has to be the backup point guard. Right?
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Cunningham has burned his transfer year so he can't really go anywhere until he graduates. Kostas would similarly lose a year of eligibility by transferring now. Those guys are pretty well locked in.
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I can confirm that AG is meeting personally with all the recruits possibly by weeks end.

Can confirm M Wright has not asked for nor received his release.
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I can confirm that AG is meeting personally with all the recruits possibly by weeks end.

Can confirm M Wright has not asked for nor received his release.
Some good input. Do you have a source? Also, can you confirm that he will meet with svoboda?
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Some good input. Do you have a source? Also, can you confirm that he will meet with svoboda?
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Actually don't think he is aloud as it is a dead period and can only meet with recruits already committed, which svobod is not. Sure he will be first one he visits when the dead period ends.
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AG has a full plate and could use some help (as in assistants) but knows he must meet with each of the committed recruits before the dead period ends. Should any ask for their release then all the coaches will have a hand in getting their best shot in for decommitted recruits and transfers.

No moss growing under AG feet. Best case scenario is having assistants lined up and ready to go by weeks end and know where we stand with the committed recruits.

Feel he has his assistants lined up and ready to sign on but first things first during the dead period.

Feel good about his interest in UD and taking it to the next level building on what we have already accomplished.

As for the recruits don't think they have all that many options, its not like they are 4 star players.

Seems most recruit tweets have died down, keep an eye out one might reveal something in a day or so.

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I can confirm that Rollo is staying!
Can you re confirm this please. Some of us were hoping he would follow AM to Indiana. Thanks.
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IIRC, Michael Jordan was cut as a high school freshmen. The point being, sometimes it doesn't take too much to turn it around. JC has the talent - plenty of it, maybe he just needs different leadership; maybe he needs a coach he feels vested in.
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IIRC, Michael Jordan was cut as a high school freshmen. The point being, sometimes it doesn't take too much to turn it around. JC has the talent - plenty of it, maybe he just needs different leadership; maybe he needs a coach he feels vested in.
This BS story has taken out a life of its own!

For the 1 millionth time...

As a sophomore Michael Jordan was either going to be the last varsity player or put on JV to play and develop. The coach decided it was in his best interest to play JV...so he was 'cut' from varsity so he could go down and play a ton as opposed to little/none. Michael never forgave his coach for 'cutting' him and the press has run wild with this story since.
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I am here to help!

Count your blessing people...and feel free to kiss my ... my... my Ring, of course!

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This BS story has taken out a life of its own!

For the 1 millionth time...

As a sophomore Michael Jordan was either going to be the last varsity player or put on JV to play and develop. The coach decided it was in his best interest to play JV...so he was 'cut' from varsity so he could go down and play a ton as opposed to little/none. Michael never forgave his coach for 'cutting' him and the press has run wild with this story since.
Either way, true or not (I don't have the time to research or dispute the story, nor do I really care...), I can tell you this from personal experience---If you don't believe in your managers style, don't click with him or her, you are not going to give your best effort - and vice versa. Period. Seems all to often this season, JC looked like he was pushing to impress. And whenever he made a mistake, he was yanked. You would have thought that knowing AM was losing SS after this season, he would have spent more time developing JC....unless he suspected it didn't matter...
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I bet you he turns around and looks like a completely different player next year under different leadership; I can almost guarantee it - thank you for the chuckle
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I bet you he turns around and looks like a completely different player next year under different leadership; I can almost guarantee it - thank you for the chuckle
Different leadership or not, I believe he'll also be a much different/better player....
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I bet you he turns around and looks like a completely different player next year under different leadership; I can almost guarantee it - thank you for the chuckle
I hope you're right. He needs the most work of anyone for the team's success. I would bet, myself, that he's getting more work than anyone too. I tend to disagree based on his trending through last season that he will be a completely different player this year. There will be a lot more pressure without a net (Scoochie) to catch him. That high dribble has to go or he will get picked a lot.
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Actually don't think he is aloud as it is a dead period and can only meet with recruits already committed, which svobod is not. Sure he will be first one he visits when the dead period ends.
I can confirm that the dead period for all zombie's is .... well all the time!
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I can confirm that the dead period for all zombie's is .... well all the time!
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I hope you're right. He needs the most work of anyone for the team's success. I would bet, myself, that he's getting more work than anyone too. I tend to disagree based on his trending through last season that he will be a completely different player this year. There will be a lot more pressure without a net (Scoochie) to catch him. That high dribble has to go or he will get picked a lot.
Give him a chance under a different coach.
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The same guy that 75-90% of the board wished would be displaced by a freshman?
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The same guy that 75-90% of the board wished would be displaced by a freshman?
I don't wish him to be replaced by anybody for the record. He's shown the talent. I just hope the freshman that committed follows through. But if not, there are over 6 billion on planet earth. I'm confident we'll find another quality PG to share or backup the duties at PG.
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The same guy that 75-90% of the board wished would be displaced by a freshman?
LMAO. WTH does the board's feelings actually have to with how a player actually develops/progresses? You playing Miss Cloe again in your make-believe world where you think you actually have a clue? It was posters like you that wanted Devin Oliver kicked to the curbside and probably countless other players who turned out okay..
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The same guy that 75-90% of the board wished would be displaced by a freshman?
5 give it a rest! You and a couple of others are constantly ripping John Crosby ... for what? He is a talented guy. Coaches have just not yet found how to get it out of him.
I remember when London Warren was so labeled... and it turned out the rest of the team just needed to catch up to his speed.... when posters of your ilk wanted him to slow down to the speed of the rest of the team.....
There is a reason guys like Archie and Anthony get paid what they do....
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LMAO. WTH does the board's feelings actually have to with how a player actually develops/progresses? You playing Miss Cloe again in your make-believe world where you think you actually have a clue? It was posters like you that wanted Devin Oliver kicked to the curbside and probably countless other players who turned out okay..
I just rebutted an over-the-top statement that JC would be a completely different player under new coaching. Solid bump material if you ask me
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5 give it a rest! You and a couple of others are constantly ripping John Crosby ... for what? He is a talented guy. Coaches have just not yet found how to get it out of him.
I remember when London Warren was so labeled... and it turned out the rest of the team just needed to catch up to his speed.... when posters of your ilk wanted him to slow down to the speed of the rest of the team.....
There is a reason guys like Archie and Anthony get paid what they do....
I never ripped LW. I don't rip a player unless their play warrants it. Again a statement was made that he was going to turn it around under new coaching. As if this yet-to-be-assembled staff is more adept in player development than the last.
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I just rebutted an over-the-top statement that JC would be a completely different player under new coaching. Solid bump material if you ask me
Your comments are solid bump material - from this site, if you want to be honest. You understand these players aren't professionals, right? Did you play college BB at this level? Did you ever coach at the college level? Provide those stats please...
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I wish you would delete this post. The players and recruits read these threads. This is probably the absolute worst time to be ripping one of our players. It's just wrong.
Not only is that post inappropriate, it is downright stupid. Right now we are worried that our only other true point guard might not be coming here and this idiot wants to get rid of the one PG we already have? Who does he want to run the point, Darrell for 40 minutes?
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This BS story has taken out a life of its own!

For the 1 millionth time...

As a sophomore Michael Jordan was either going to be the last varsity player or put on JV to play and develop. The coach decided it was in his best interest to play JV...so he was 'cut' from varsity so he could go down and play a ton as opposed to little/none. Michael never forgave his coach for 'cutting' him and the press has run wild with this story since.
So what you are saying is that he was cut from varsity
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Please stand by there could be white smoke coming out of the chapel on campus.

All I can say is AG is working his tail end off on both recruits and assistants.

Recruits will stay quiet for now, probably till weekend when they know who the assistants are.

Not confirmed but could be one AC staying and two coming on board as early as Wednesday....Oh my gosh did I say Wednesday again, guess that means Thursday. AG wants AC on staff ready to run by weekend as dead period ends.

$hit for get off the pot time for the recruits. Need a recommit or AG and staff will be off and running to have our positions filled.
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Please stand by there could be white smoke coming out of the chapel on campus.

All I can say is AG is working his tail end off on both recruits and assistants.

Recruits will stay quiet for now, probably till weekend when they know who the assistants are.

Not confirmed but could be one AC staying and two coming on board as early as Wednesday....Oh my gosh did I say Wednesday again, guess that means Thursday. AG wants AC on staff ready to run by weekend as dead period ends.

$hit for get off the pot time for the recruits. Need a recommit or AG and staff will be off and running to have our positions filled.
To paraphrase a quote from 'Wall Street'...

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By my process of elimination that incumbent would be Kuwick since Griffin is gone and Ostrom has been strongly rumored to be sought after?
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Please stand by there could be white smoke coming out of the chapel on campus.

All I can say is AG is working his tail end off on both recruits and assistants.

Recruits will stay quiet for now, probably till weekend when they know who the assistants are.

Not confirmed but could be one AC staying and two coming on board as early as Wednesday....Oh my gosh did I say Wednesday again, guess that means Thursday. AG wants AC on staff ready to run by weekend as dead period ends.

$hit for get off the pot time for the recruits. Need a recommit or AG and staff will be off and running to have our positions filled.
Thanks for the information. Too bad I had to sift through all of this other B.S. to get to it. This could've been a great thread if people would stick to the subject. I normally don't care about that stuff, but with the title of this particular thread it would've been nice to stick to the topic.
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I thought it would be nice to have a thread free from speculation, guesses, and off topic banter. I love that stuff, but it's hard to sift through that and find confirmed reports.
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By my process of elimination that incumbent would be Kuwick since Griffin is gone and Ostrom has been strongly rumored to be sought after?
Ostrom is interesting as Archie has or is filling his AHC with Bruiser a position Ostrom would want, so not so sure he goes with Archie. As for other programs, yes he seems hot but would be great to keep him if at all possible.
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Ostrom is interesting as Archie has or is filling his AHC with Bruiser a position Ostrom would want, so not so sure he goes with Archie. As for other programs, yes he seems hot but would be great to keep him if at all possible.
Agreed. Bruiser is lead assistant and Miller stated he would like to get an Indiana guy as another assistant. Don't see Tom going to Indiana. His long term relationship with AG leads me to believe he may end up staying.
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As I read AG I thought initially you were referring to joining Griffin at SU, TA111. Would be great to retain both, albeit unconventional how staffs are normally filled by new head coaches

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This is really getting interesting, then.

Jablonski reported that XW was told by Ostrom that he'd be following Archie to IU.

Did Ostrom think he was following Archie and get the rug pulled out from under him?

Or are we just dreaming that Ostrom would stay here. Me thinks the latter...
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I am starting this thread to be the home of CONFIRMED reports of arrivals, departures, and retention. If possible, please link to sources.
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Not confirmed but could be one AC staying and two coming on board as early as Wednesday.
Welp.
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Ostrom is interesting as Archie has or is filling his AHC with Bruiser a position Ostrom would want, so not so sure he goes with Archie. As for other programs, yes he seems hot but would be great to keep him if at all possible.
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Archie has played it close to the chest all through his coaching days and may have even fooled Ostrom into thinking he would ge the HAC at IU.

So Ostrom is waiting to see if Archie does in fact want him (you'd think AM would have made that decision by now) or if AG would want to keep him on staff.

For the what its worth department there has been no updates on the daytonflyers.com coaching situation like there is for the womens team.

Kuwick has been really quiet on his intentions, Griffin is gone as is Walsh.
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Thanks for the information. Too bad I had to sift through all of this other B.S. to get to it. This could've been a great thread if people would stick to the subject. I normally don't care about that stuff, but with the title of this particular thread it would've been nice to stick to the topic.
Dead period. Sorry your scroll finger isn't working properly. Glad your soapbox is operational though.
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Can you re confirm this please. Some of us were hoping he would follow AM to Indiana. Thanks.
There was three undisputed facts after i read this post:

1) Rollo would thank it
2) TerryK would thank it

And in the lock of all locks.....
3) Glen Clark would thank it.

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Rollo leaves I'm outta here
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Dead period. Sorry your scroll finger isn't working properly. Glad your soapbox is operational though.
It's OK that we are in a dead period. It's not illegal to have a thread open and not post in it. The hope was to save a space for confirmed updates. Not everyone has time to read all of the new posts every day. I was hoping for a spot that people can go to keep up to date on what is actually happening without having to read 100 Chuck Norris Jokes with "Ray Harper" put in place of Chuck Norris. Not saying they aren't funny...just makes it hard to find actual information buried between the jokes.

We already had several threads for discussing and debating recruiting, new coaches, etc. I love that stuff. I really do. And there are open threads for it.

Was hoping we could keep just one thread dedicated to things that are actually happening.

Wishful thinking...
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The more these threads get thrown off topic the better. Im thoroughly enjoying coming here these days.

More Ray Harper= Good
Less Ray Harper= Bad

No, this site wouldn't be better without Rollo.
It would certainly be worse.

So much butthurt around here, it is possible to like the Rollo types and the TerryK types...I do

My Lord this board needs some news to chew on....

Off to the Ray Harper comedy thread i go..
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Ok. You're right, op. I was just interjecting and trying to add some levity during the down period. But you are right. Some don't know and look at new posts as new information. I promise to stay on track.
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So Ostrom is waiting to see if Archie does in fact want him (you'd think AM would have made that decision by now) or if AG would want to keep him on staff.
But Ostrom told XW he was heading to IU. Do you think Ostrom would say that without having it confirmed by Archie first? I don't. I would be shocked if Ostrom doesn't end up IU. And if he doesn't, there's a heck of a story behind it.

Keep in mind also that Ostrom interviewed for the HC position here at UD. Just my opinion, but I don't think he would stick around and be an assistant for a job he did not land - no matter how good of friends he is with the person that did get the job.

With all of that said, I would be elated if Tom stays with UD. I just don't see it happening.

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Does anyone know if Svoboda speaks English? This is probably a pretty difficult situation to get your head around if it is all being translated.
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I don't know if Indiana is required to wait a certain time period before announcing a decision due to state laws about posting and keeping open positions for a set period, but if not, I'm surprised Archie hasn't named his staff by this point. If Bruiser is indeed his lead assistant, where does that leave Ostrom or Kuwik?
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Does anyone know if Svoboda speaks English? This is probably a pretty difficult situation to get your head around if it is all being translated.
He does. You can google him and see a few interviews.
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But Ostrom told XW he was heading to IU. You think Ostrom would say that without having it confirmed by Archie first? I don't. I would be shocked if Ostrom doesn't end up IU. And if he doesn't, there's a heck of a story behind it.

Keep in mind also that Ostrom interviewed for the HC position here at UD. Just my opinion, but I don't think he would stick around and be an assistant for a job they did not land - no matter how good of friends he is with the person that did get the job.

With all of that said, I would be elated if Tom stays with UD. I just don't see it happening.
I thought I read somewhere, I think on here, that what XW said was an April Fool's comment.
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Does anyone know if Svoboda speaks English? This is probably a pretty difficult situation to get your head around if it is all being translated.
No idea, but I would guess he speaks it at least somewhat well. Many European schools require students to take English classes (some even take a 3rd language) as English is the universal language of business and spoken all around the world. All that said, I can't imagine its all that difficult a situation for him to get his head around, he committed to a school and a coach, that coach left for another school. The only question is where does UD stand on accepting a LOI from him once he is eligible to sign and what are his other options.

I hope, for no other reason than its the right thing to do, that at some point, Neil or Ostrom reached out the dude and let him know where things stand and that at some point Grant has reached out to him to know where things stand more specifically.
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Agreed. Bruiser is lead assistant and Miller stated he would like to get an Indiana guy as another assistant. Don't see Tom going to Indiana. His long term relationship with AG leads me to believe he may end up staying.
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I don't know if Indiana is required to wait a certain time period before announcing a decision due to state laws about posting and keeping open positions for a set period, but if not, I'm surprised Archie hasn't named his staff by this point. If Bruiser is indeed his lead assistant, where does that leave Ostrom or Kuwik?
Having read the Indiana boards, no one seems to think Bruiser will be the lead assistant! Remember Archie never designated a lead assistant at Dayton. Seemed to keep everyone on pretty equal footing. What Bruiser probably will be is Archie's new Allen Griffin. Heavily leaned on for game planning, strategy and a strong east coast recruiter (like Allen Griffin).

The prevailing theory over there seems to be that Groce (who is an Indiana guy) is holding things up as he is in play for Akron job. IU has told Indiana beat reporters a formal staff announcement will not be made until next week, and this could well be the reason for the delay. Much like Kevin Kuwik was leaned on for game planning and strategy as well as midwest recruiting, that would be Groce's role too.

Then Ostrom slides in as the national/international recruiting guy. The one who organizes the master recruiting matrix and who personally handles many of the top recruiting priorities, the guy who interfaces with AAU coaches, scouts international guys or national prospects outside the traditional recruiting footprint.

The difference between the Dayton and Indiana staffs of course is head coaching experience. A Miller, Groce, Bruiser, Ostrom staff would have tons of experience.

So the question for Ostrom would be: does that staff afford him the opportunity to grow and take on additional responsibilities to prepare for success in a head coaching role? The answer could be no, but it also could be yes that in he would have three head coaches to absorb info from.

Being named "associate head coach" would be nice, but if Archie can manage to win national championships at Indiana, you can make the argument that Ostrom would be set up really well for future jobs. Because if you want to hire the hot assistant from Indiana, who are you going to give an interview to? A previously fired head coach or Ostrom? Depends on what you're looking for, but Ostrom could be positioned as a homerun hire there. If AG offered Ostrom "Associate Head Coach" is that really better?

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The only question is where does UD stand on accepting a LOI from him once he is eligible to sign and what are his other options.
Supposedly, Vandy and Georgia Tech were the other schools he was looking at. No idea what their situations are.

With him not having signed, he could go to Indiana if they wanted him.

International guys are a bit tougher to project so my guess is that Archie won't take that chance at Indiana right out of the gate.

But I think even if Ostrom is gone (and assuming they're not trying to take Svoboda) then this seems like a situation where Ostrom probably does his old friend Anthony a solid and shares his scouting report, and confidence level that Svoboda is a good fit for Dayton. Seems like Anthony might trust Tom's opinion given that they worked together for so many years at Florida.
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Wouldn't it also make sense to not announce any of the assistants going to IU until after the dead period if they have intentions of poaching the recruits so that they can still speak to those recruits now as a UD AC?
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Does anyone know if Svoboda speaks English? This is probably a pretty difficult situation to get your head around if it is all being translated.
I think you would find most people in Europe, especially those that have participated in pan European and international basketball tournaments like Svboda has, speak English.
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Wouldn't it also make sense to not announce any of the assistants going to IU until after the dead period if they have intentions of poaching the recruits so that they can still speak to those recruits now as a UD AC?
The thought occurred to me, yes. It's a perfectly reasonable conspiracy theory. If recruits and Archie's assistant coaches both end up in the same place, I think this will be a popular one. That won't mean it actually happened. But it could be hard to disprove too.
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Wouldn't it also make sense to not announce any of the assistants going to IU until after the dead period if they have intentions of poaching the recruits so that they can still speak to those recruits now as a UD AC?
Poignant post. Until the dead period ends at noon Thursday, the only coaches on the planet who can legally talk to our signees are those currently employed by UD. After noon Thursday, only UD coaches can talk to our signees, unless they are released from their NLI.
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wouldn't it make sense, that if you were not going to retain one (or all) of Archie's assistants, that you would have released them from their contract by now? I'm sure there are "escape clauses" in their contracts that allow for termination under the current scenario.
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Per Jeff Goodman on Twitter, Akron is closing on a deal with Groce
Interesting. Definitely impacts Archie's staffing if rumors are true Groce would have ended up at IU if not for Akron. And there could be a domino effect as it relates to coaches and even players who might try to move from Dayton to Indiana. But it's really hard to speculate as to what exactly the impact of this move will be, if any, as it relates to Dayton.
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Interesting. Definitely impacts Archie's staffing if rumors are true Groce would have ended up at IU if not for Akron. And there could be a domino effect as it relates to coaches and even players who might try to move from Dayton to Indiana. But it's really hard to speculate as to what exactly the impact of this move will be, if any, as it relates to Dayton.
Only two I see that could go to IU is Wright and Svoboda. My IU friend says UU can do better than mid major recruits. Expecting bigger things from Archie. Already on the seat...will he keep it from getting to warm. Impatient fans there
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I wish you would delete this post. The players and recruits read these threads. This is probably the absolute worst time to be ripping one of our players. It's just wrong.
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Sounds like Mr. Anonymous is the one with thin skin.

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Please stand by there could be white smoke coming out of the chapel on campus.

All I can say is AG is working his tail end off on both recruits and assistants.

Recruits will stay quiet for now, probably till weekend when they know who the assistants are.

Not confirmed but could be one AC staying and two coming on board as early as Wednesday....Oh my gosh did I say Wednesday again, guess that means Thursday. AG wants AC on staff ready to run by weekend as dead period ends.

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Only think I know is that so far, several recruits still have Dayton commit in their Twitter bio, Wright does not. Don't know that it means anything either way. Hoping for ACs shortly as said above, dead period ends shortly and if we need to be on a mad scramble, gotta hit the ground running with either uncommitted/decommitted or transfers. Hopefully info coming soon.

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