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Originally Posted by MNFats View Post
And I think Langevine is a stud. I see a lot of Cunningham in him. He's 6-8, 225. He shot 64% last year and averaged more rebounds per 40 minutes than Josh. Josh is the better scorer, but I like Langevine will be one of the better A10 bigs this year.

Add to that the #1 recruiting class in the A10 (according to 247) that includes a top 100 recruit.

There are still some things to like about RI on the court.
Not doubting a word you say. But a lot of people (including many on this board, myself included) thought XW was going to be a difference-maker for our Flyers last year. And I guess he was, but we were hoping the difference would be in a POSITIVE direction.

My point is, no one knows how well the returning Rams (Dowtin, Langevine, Russell, et al) will adjust to the post-Hurley regime. And, for that reason, and given the experience they lost (especially Matthews), I believe a preseason ranking in the top 5 is a bit rose-colored on the part of the prognosticators. But, we’ll see where the dust settles come March.
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Good point. That means there is something to like about RI off the court too!
With all the time Hurley spent outside the coaching box, I’m not sure you can say Hurley’s loss will be felt strictly “off the court”.
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Also, don't forget Hurley is gone.
So less whining for sure!
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 View Post
Not doubting a word you say. But a lot of people (including many on this board, myself included) thought XW was going to be a difference-maker for our Flyers last year. And I guess he was, but we were hoping the difference would be in a POSITIVE direction.

My point is, no one knows how well the returning Rams (Dowtin, Langevine, Russell, et al) will adjust to the post-Hurley regime. And, for that reason, and given the experience they lost (especially Matthews), I believe a preseason ranking in the top 5 is a bit rose-colored on the part of the prognosticators. But, we’ll see where the dust settles come March.
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They hired a Hurley assistant to take over. Should be close to the same going forward. Obviously there will be some changes, but I do not think we will see a totally different style from the new staff.
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They hired a Hurley assistant to take over. Should be close to the same going forward. Obviously there will be some changes, but I do not think we will see a totally different style from the new staff.
Since the we should play Wright State debate ran its course, it may be time to go over how one Archie's assistants should/should not have been hired instead of AG.
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Originally Posted by MNFats View Post
And I think Langevine is a stud. I see a lot of Cunningham in him. He's 6-8, 225. He shot 64% last year and averaged more rebounds per 40 minutes than Josh. Josh is the better scorer, but I like Langevine will be one of the better A10 bigs this year.

Add to that the #1 recruiting class in the A10 (according to 247) that includes a top 100 recruit.

There are still some things to like about RI on the court.
i think they are a year or 2 away. Not a total rebuild this year. Somewhere middle of the pack or above in my estimation
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McKinley Wright sighting as Colorado comes in at 71 and 7th in the PAC 12. They are picked for the NIT. The bet is still out on whether he did better at Colorado than Dayton?
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Rhode island is being picked fifth in the conference with their first year coach. Rhode island loses a lot of players off last years team.
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On hindsight, we can see now that Rhode Island is being ranked below the seventh place finisher in the Big East. That is not especially a vote of confidence in Rhode Island.

Upon extrapolation this is not a vote of confidence in the Atlantic 10 conference either.

Further extrapolation, if Dayton is not on this 144 list, means that Dayton is receiving zero love from the experts or this 144 list.

Many on this board have pontificated that Dayton should be in the Big East conference?
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Originally Posted by Buckleyma View Post
On hindsight, we can see now that Rhode Island is being ranked below the seventh place finisher in the Big East. That is not especially a vote of confidence in Rhode Island.

Upon extrapolation this is not a vote of confidence in the Atlantic 10 conference either.

Further extrapolation, if Dayton is not on this 144 list, means that Dayton is receiving zero love from the experts or this 144 list.

Many on this board have pontificated that Dayton should be in the Big East conference?
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You do realize that this guy’s opinion is worth about the same as yours or mine, right?
I beg to differ. I value your opinion much more than that guy. Those a little closer to the program have a much better feel for how the Flyers will perform. I think last year many of us thought the preseason ranking of the team was too high. I think we ended up even worse than predicted. This year I think the media experts are showing no love at all. I think many of us feel they will be proven wrong.
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Originally Posted by Buckleyma View Post
On hindsight, we can see now that Rhode Island is being ranked below the seventh place finisher in the Big East. That is not especially a vote of confidence in Rhode Island.

Upon extrapolation this is not a vote of confidence in the Atlantic 10 conference either.

Further extrapolation, if Dayton is not on this 144 list, means that Dayton is receiving zero love from the experts or this 144 list.

Many on this board have pontificated that Dayton should be in the Big East conference?
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Team's can't have a down year? Last time I checked, we had made 4 straight NCAA tournaments before last year.
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Team's can't have a down year? Last time I checked, we had made 4 straight NCAA tournaments before last year.
Yeah, but that was a 4-year aberration, as a result of hiring a wunderkind of a coach, who then left to assume his rightful place at the helm of a P5 program, so last season was the norm, not the 4 seasons that preceded it.

At least, that’s how “the experts” see it.
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Sure glad "the experts" won't be playing for or coaching us.
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Yeah, but that was a 4-year aberration, as a result of hiring a wunderkind of a coach, who then left to assume his rightful place at the helm of a P5 program, so last season was the norm, not the 4 seasons that preceded it.

At least, that’s how “the experts” see it.
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Well if experts only look at the coach of a team to decide who will be good, they really are not experts.
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See Illinois State is in at 66. Really hard to see us in the top 65.
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See Illinois State is in at 66. Really hard to see us in the top 65.
I figured, at best, we’d be ranked somewhere between 75 & 100. We won’t be in the Top 64, for sure. All the better. We’re better off as the underdog who has something to prove.
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I'm actually glad the Flyers are being dismissed by the 'experts' this year. Wish I could buy stock in them right now.

Nobody outside of Dayton realizes what a stud Obi Toppin is (6'8? Hope opponents believe that!) - Crutcher at point guard has a year under his belt as a starter and solid performer - same goes for Jordan Davis at the two - Landers is a stud who won't back down from anybody - Mikesell is a year older and wiser and hopefully fully mobile and pain free - Cohill comes in as a potential star - and the bench is potentially strong with Matos and Policelli - and that's not mentioning a fifth year all-conference star in Cunningham.

And that's also without mentioning the three big-time potential all-star studs who are practicing with the team every day and who will step in next year.

I'm more excited about this year (and next) than I have been in many years.
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I'm actually glad the Flyers are being dismissed by the 'experts' this year. Wish I could buy stock in them right now.

Nobody outside of Dayton realizes what a stud Obi Toppin is (6'8? Hope opponents believe that!) - Crutcher at point guard has a year under his belt as a starter and solid performer - same goes for Jordan Davis at the two - Landers is a stud who won't back down from anybody - Mikesell is a year older and wiser and hopefully fully mobile and pain free - Cohill comes in as a potential star - and the bench is potentially strong with Matos and Policelli - and that's not mentioning a fifth year all-conference star in Cunningham.

And that's also without mentioning the three big-time potential all-star studs who are practicing with the team every day and who will step in next year.

I'm more excited about this year (and next) than I have been in many years.
Well stated, TireBiter! Compare this group of players to what we had last year - two freshmen guards, a talented player who quit on us, an injured Ryan Mikesell, and the inability to go more than seven deep. We will be immensely better, and like you, I am sky-high on Toppin.
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Agreed. This player roster appears to be aligned with better prospects. There are still some questions although I think they are minor ? rather than major ?.

I believe we have some returning known talent (even though Mikesell wasn't seen at all last year). Last year we had some returning talent like the point guard position we suspected was not what we needed.

I'm looking forward to a less controversial start to the season!
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I'm actually glad the Flyers are being dismissed by the 'experts' this year. Wish I could buy stock in them right now.

Nobody outside of Dayton realizes what a stud Obi Toppin is (6'8? Hope opponents believe that!) - Crutcher at point guard has a year under his belt as a starter and solid performer - same goes for Jordan Davis at the two - Landers is a stud who won't back down from anybody - Mikesell is a year older and wiser and hopefully fully mobile and pain free - Cohill comes in as a potential star - and the bench is potentially strong with Matos and Policelli - and that's not mentioning a fifth year all-conference star in Cunningham.

And that's also without mentioning the three big-time potential all-star studs who are practicing with the team every day and who will step in next year.

I'm more excited about this year (and next) than I have been in many years.
Gosh, that's not the bleak picture sheg posted in #93. I have been out on the ledge since
that one. His post was not a glass half empty, but rather a totally dry empty moldy glass of nothing. At least we now have the 2018 Flyer edition bracketed.
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Gosh, that's not the bleak picture sheg posted in #93. I have been out on the ledge since
that one. His post was not a glass half empty, but rather a totally dry empty moldy glass of nothing. At least we now have the 2018 Flyer edition bracketed.
Actually sheg posted the comments thru the eyes of an outsider and made a good case for an outsider not ranking the Flyers. For the unknowing we could be considered a dumpster fire. For those with knowledge of the program, opportunity is knocking.
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Thank you, 62. On the contrary, SDF, my glad is quite full. However, from an outsider perspective, everything I wrote there is true. I personally think the Flyers compete for a bye in the conference tournament this year.

I was just trying to proactively prevent hurt feelings around here when the Flyers aren't ranked.

Edit to add: if UD IS in this ranking, I will be impressed with the rankers' ability to see past the superficial negatives and see the real improvements in the program in the last 17 months.

Look, to an outsider, losing XWilliams (a starter at the beginning of the year and most of his sophomore season) might seem like a negative, while we rightfully believe it's addition by subtraction.

To an outsider, losing senior Darrell Davis, virtually tied for leading scorer, might be a negative. Yet we all watched him mentally check out of games he was racking up 35 minutes in. The team even often played better down the stretch when he was on the bench.

To an outsider, losing Kostas to the draft may seem like a negative. And while his raw talent is undeniable, I'm not sure what his place would have been on this upcoming team.

An outsider might see the transfers of three bench players as a negative, while we know they contributed virtually nothing to the team on game days.

It would be awfully hard to take last year's 14-17 9th place debacle, consider the above negatives, and predict a significantly better finish this year, unless you really know the team well.

We all do, and I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb to say I think most here would agree with "compete for a bye in the conference," which will mean a finish in the 3rd-6th range. If the newcomers (Toppin, Matos, Cohill, Pollicelli, and Mikesell*) contribute more than hoped, and Crutcher, Davis, Landers, and Cunningham continue to grow, this could be a very fun year indeed.

*Putting Mikesell here because he's basically new to the staff, and really hasn't played significant minutes with any of his teammates.

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Got my Athlon Sports 2018-19 Preview magazine in the mail today - Flyers are picked 8th in the conference - write-up on the Flyers mentions everybody except Obi Toppin. Zilch. He doesn't exist to them.

Good! He is truly our secret weapon this year. Early opponents will be shaking their heads and saying, "where did this guy come from?!" as he soars over and around the basket.
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To an outsider, losing senior Darrell Davis, virtually tied for leading scorer, might be a negative. Yet we all watched him mentally check out of games he was racking up 35 minutes in. The team even often played better down the stretch when he was on the bench.
While I agree with most of what you said I have to disagree with this statement. I don't think Darrell ever checked out of games, mentally or physically. He certainly did not have the best basketball IQ in the world and many times made mental errors because of this but I don't think it was ever because of effort. To say checked out makes me think of someone who gave up or willingly stopped putting in the effort. I think the best asset of Darrell Davis was his effort level which often times allowed him to overcome his physical and basketball IQ deficiencies.
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Thank you, 62. On the contrary, SDF, my glad is quite full. However, from an outsider perspective, everything I wrote there is true. I personally think the Flyers compete for a bye in the conference tournament this year.

I was just trying to proactively prevent hurt feelings around here when the Flyers aren't ranked.

Edit to add: if UD IS in this ranking, I will be impressed with the rankers' ability to see past the superficial negatives and see the real improvements in the program in the last 17 months.

Look, to an outsider, losing XWilliams (a starter at the beginning of the year and most of his sophomore season) might seem like a negative, while we rightfully believe it's addition by subtraction.

To an outsider, losing senior Darrell Davis, virtually tied for leading scorer, might be a negative. Yet we all watched him mentally check out of games he was racking up 35 minutes in. The team even often played better down the stretch when he was on the bench.

To an outsider, losing Kostas to the draft may seem like a negative. And while his raw talent is undeniable, I'm not sure what his place would have been on this upcoming team.

An outsider might see the transfers of three bench players as a negative, while we know they contributed virtually nothing to the team on game days.

It would be awfully hard to take last year's 14-17 9th place debacle, consider the above negatives, and predict a significantly better finish this year, unless you really know the team well.

We all do, and I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb to say I think most here would agree with "compete for a bye in the conference," which will mean a finish in the 3rd-6th range. If the newcomers (Toppin, Matos, Cohill, Pollicelli, and Mikesell*) contribute more than hoped, and Crutcher, Davis, Landers, and Cunningham continue to grow, this could be a very fun year indeed.

*Putting Mikesell here because he's basically new to the staff, and really hasn't played significant minutes with any of his teammates.
This is the modified assessment that I can totally relate to. And after reading the SMU review at #65, which has more holes than swiss cheese, I now understand how we are sitting ducks for third tier sports analysts who are disconnected from our patched up roster this year. SMU lost their iconic coach, recruiting has dropped off, suspensions and injuries have hit them, they were 6-12 in League play. To wit :

"Last season, SMU had their lowest win total since joining the American Athletic Conference in 2013. The Mustangs won just six conference games after winning double-digit AAC games in each of the past four seasons. Injuries to Shake Milton, Jarrey Foster and Everett Ray certainly played a role in SMU’s down year. This season, Milton is gone along with fellow starter Ben Emelogu, but the Mustangs have four players returning who started at least 14 games last season. Full seasons from Foster, Ray and Jahmal McMurray should get SMU right back in the thick of the AAC race."

Really?
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Has anyone ever looked at last year's top 144 preseason and seen how they finished the season?
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St Joes is picked 63 and 4 th in the A10 in this list.
Top 3 guesses: St Louis and Davidson and ????

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So they have Grambling as 144. I have no doubt that Vegas would have us as a favorite on a home/road/neutral court against them
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St Joes is picked 63 and 4 th in the A10 in this list.
Top 3 guesses: St Louis and Davidson and ????

Already picked 4 St Joes 5 Rhode Is 6 Mass 7 Duquesne 8 VCU
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St Joes is picked 63 and 4 th in the A10 in this list.
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Already picked 4 St Joes 5 Rhode Is 6 Mass 7 Duquesne 8 VCU
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The 3rd place team for the Atlantic 10 comes in at 61 and is picked to go to the NIT. The Atlantic 10 is not getting much love from this 144 list. That Atlantic 10 team is George Mason. This 144 list is picking the Atlantic 10 conference to receive only two bids to the NCAA. This so-called expert makes some politically correct comments to soften the blow about the conference but he still body slams the tag of only two bids to the BIG DANCE.
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According to this 144 list, the 12th place team in the ACC is better than the 3rd best team in the Atlantic 10? This list is referring to Boston College and George Mason. Both are predicted to end up in the NIT.
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Davidson is picked second in the conference at 57 and is marked to go to the NIT not the NCAA even though earlier it was stated that the Atlantic 10 would get two teams in the NCAA. Again, by being placed at 57, the Atlantic 10 conference of teams is not getting any love on this 144 list.
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Lindy's put us at finishing 9th this season.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...h4WpY2UpiALjN/

It is hard to argue with the "talking heads" as they would much rather have a team exceed the predicted expectations than fall flat on their face. I think that UD has a much better chance of finishing better than 9th, but it will take all of the unknowns to be mitigated. Those unknowns are precisely why we are where we are.

I always comment on the fact that freshman are pretty much "non-factors" when it comes to assessing a team going into that player's freshman season. It is much easier to pick where a team will finish when you have Scooch, DD, Pollard, and CC in the fold.

I say who cares. I honestly believe we will do better than what those on the outside are saying. It's almost time to prove the haters wrong.
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Eight or Nine?

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I say who cares. I honestly believe we will do better than what those on the outside are saying. It's almost time to prove the haters wrong.
Lindy's and Athlon have us finishing 8 and 9. I saw one of the comments saying it's because we have issues underneath the basket. I guess they do not think that much of Obi, Landers, and Mikesell? I think we will be better than 8 or 9. They seem to be predicting on how we did last year and are not giving much credit to the unseen production of Obi and Mikesell. They do give credit to Cunningham.
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Lindy's and Athlon have us finishing 8 and 9. I saw one of the comments saying it's because we have issues underneath the basket. I guess they do not think that much of Obi, Landers, and Mikesell? I think we will be better than 8 or 9. They seem to be predicting on how we did last year and are not giving much credit to the unseen production of Obi and Mikesell. They do give credit to Cunningham.
I don't think they care...they are only filling space in columns and not putting much thought into it.
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Lindy's and Athlon have us finishing 8 and 9. I saw one of the comments saying it's because we have issues underneath the basket. I guess they do not think that much of Obi, Landers, and Mikesell? I think we will be better than 8 or 9. They seem to be predicting on how we did last year and are not giving much credit to the unseen production of Obi and Mikesell. They do give credit to Cunningham.
I think that is too low but Mikesell hasn't played in well over a year, Landers is 6'4", and Obi hasn't proven anything..It's not as if these guys are 4-5 star recruits who you can just pencil in for production down in the post. Not saying UD can't at least be a top 4-5 team but these guys have to go by something and UD had very little production in the post last year and it wasn't because of a lack of effort from Cunningham as they just did NOT get the ball down to him enough. He only averaged a tad over 9 FG's per game and that includes tip ins/put backs...This guy should get 12-14 shots per game....

I still question both our low post game offensively and defensively..

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Lindy's and Athlon have us finishing 8 and 9. I saw one of the comments saying it's because we have issues underneath the basket. I guess they do not think that much of Obi, Landers, and Mikesell? I think we will be better than 8 or 9. They seem to be predicting on how we did last year and are not giving much credit to the unseen production of Obi and Mikesell. They do give credit to Cunningham.
If I'm being honest - the average sports writer doesn't know who Obi is. There are, what, almost 5,000 D1 basketball players? They haven't heard of the unheralded recruit who sat out a year at Dayton. Best case is they saw the social media stuff from a few weeks ago.

I'm not paying much attention to the preseason stuff this year. I'm ready for some basketball.
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Lindy's and Athlon have us finishing 8 and 9. I saw one of the comments saying it's because we have issues underneath the basket. I guess they do not think that much of Obi, Landers, and Mikesell? I think we will be better than 8 or 9. They seem to be predicting on how we did last year and are not giving much credit to the unseen production of Obi and Mikesell. They do give credit to Cunningham.
I leafed through both mags last night at Meijer.

Both Athlon and Lindy's had Archie and Indiana in 4th in the Big Ten. Michigan and Nebraska tied for 4th last year, UM got a 3 seed while UN did not qualify for the ncaat. So, based upon that, Archie might make a ncaat run as soon as this year.

Seemed like both mags had Davidson and SLU dancing from the A10 I think, not sure.

Other Ohio teams: UC, X, and WSU expected to make the ncaat. I forgot to check the MAC predictions. I think Ohio State might have been in the ncaat in one but out in the other, I can't remember.
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St. Louis comes in at 53 on this list. Again, even the top team in the A10 conference is not getting much respect at 53!
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Seriously? With 4 returning starters and a gaggle of bench strength coming in? Not even show up on the list? egad.
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Remember how far off you were on Kostas being drafted? You need to polish off your crystal ball.

How much wampum or Monopoly money do you want to bet we won't be in the top 144?
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None of the national people I've seen have given the A10 much respect. Seems like the consensus is a one bid league
Yea, they also said that last year as well. I take these “expert” opinions with a grain of salt.
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Actually I like "bone-out" with my teriyaki crow wings. When you are as opinionated as I can be, you acquire a taste for crow.

That said, this exercise highlights how little respect our Flyers and the A10 are getting. We are at ground zero on the scale. And the ridiculous p5/BE bias is alive and well. Witness the summaries of Georgetown, SMU, Providence, and Baylor.

How do you lose 70% of your scoring and return but two players who scored under 10 points from an 8-10 league team and end up in the top 70? The positional justification in this exercise mirrors the NCAA process we have endured over the last decade. You pick a school you like, and regardless of the metrics, declare that they pass the eye test.

And there we are with 62% of scoring and 4 starters returning with a legitimate All-A10 player as our leader and not even on the board? Sorry sheg, if your summary had Butler or Xavier or Florida named at the top, they would be in.
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Meh, it won't help anybody win or lose any games. And if you trust these rankings, it means the conference is winnable this year. So I'm picking UD first.

I just want the **** season to start.
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The trend seems to be to give respect to the teams with returning guys in the backcourt (Dowtin and Russell Rhode Island) (Grady and the Icelander at Davidson) (Goodwin and the grad transfers at St. Louis), etc.

If you're some guy just looking at the stats from last year on ESPN and see Baby D is gone and just look at the numbers from JC/JD I'd think most of these people would undersell Dayton's guard play this year
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If you're some guy just looking at the stats from last year on ESPN and see Baby D is gone and just look at the numbers from JC/JD I'd think most of these people would undersell Dayton's guard play this year
That, and because, well, we are Dayton University.
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That, and because, well, we are Dayton University.
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Easy to see why we were left out

This was definitely a mistake on my part to not look back at 2017 and see what this Countdown outfit projected for the Flyers at #53:

Projected Starting Five:
John Crosby, Junior, Guard, 2.8 points per game
Darrell Davis, Senior, Guard, 5.5 points per game
Xeyrius Williams, Junior, Forward, 8.2 points per game
Josh Cunningham, Junior, Forward, 6.3 points per game
Kostas Antetokounmpo, Freshman, Forward, DNP last season

Once burned, twice shy. No mystery as to why we are AWOL from their projection in 2018.
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That WAS the starting five last year (sub Landers in there).

Thank goodness it wasn't at the end of the year.
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I've known about this for many years (it's in some old programs I have) just too lazy to look it up for actual verbiage. Every time someone complains about us being called "Dayton University" I start laughing because our own Loyalty Song says it. So glad you posted it. Now I'm waiting to see if some start screaming "Ban the Loyalty Song, or rewrite it, it doesn't know who WE are, and WE ARE...UD!!!! Not DU!"
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I've known about this for many years (it's in some old programs I have) just too lazy to look it up for actual verbiage. Every time someone complains about us being called "Dayton University" I start laughing because our own Loyalty Song says it. So glad you posted it. Now I'm waiting to see if some start screaming "Ban the Loyalty Song, or rewrite it, it doesn't know who WE are, and WE ARE...UD!!!! Not DU!"

The Miami Redhawks say hi. So does Marquette (who changed their name and their mascot).
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The Miami Redhawks say hi. So does Marquette (who changed their name and their mascot).
St. John's too.
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If name changed aren't allowed, I guess we'll be changing "we are SMI" at games this year.
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I see Washington comes in at 33 and 3rd in the PAC 12. I see Nahziah Carter averaged 5 points as a freshman and is expected to provide depth on the team. He, as your remember, bolted from Dayton when Archie Miller left for Bloomington Indiana. We were looking forward to some Beyoncé sightings at UD arena.
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Texas Tech comes in at 31 and 5th in the Big 12. Texas Tech lost a lot of players and is getting a lot of carry-over credit from last year. Wow, Texas Tech’s reputation has zoomed over the last couple years. I see that that they get Tariq Owens as a grad transfer. I remember Tariq Owens as a painfully skinny 6’10” kid that I thought Dayton had a chance at recruiting. Instead, he became a much traveled kid to Tennessee and then to St. John and now to Texas Tech. He only averaged 5 points a game.

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Marquette comes in at 29 and 3rd in the big east. I see that Harry Frolling, 6’11”,248 is leaving the team. He is an Australian who played at SMU and then to Marquette. He left SMU during the coach Brown hiatus. I remember reading on udpride that there was a rumor that he had scheduled a Dayton visit when he decided to leave SMU. But later I read that he canceled the visit and instead was visiting someplace on the west coast. Then he quickly signed with Marquette. There was a lot of mixed reviews on this guy. He gained weight and then lost weight. He wanted to play pro in Australia. I am confused on his number of years of eligibility. I wonder if there is still any interest at Dayton?
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I see that this 144 list puts Cincinnati and Xavier right next to each other In a grouping. But they pick a Cincy just a little bit better. There seems to be a lot of familiar names on the “newcomer list” for Cincy. I thought I read a lot about Dayton recruiting for these names like: Mammadou Diarra, Logan Johnson and Prince Gilliam Toyambi. Whether Dayton had any real shot at these recruits or not I think it might show to whom we are losing recruits in the war of recruiting. I still think that we need to get Anthony Grant that helicopter so that he can compete with North Carolina State and impress high school recruits.
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I see that this 144 list puts Cincinnati and Xavier right next to each other In a grouping. But they pick a Cincy just a little bit better. There seems to be a lot of familiar names on the “newcomer list” for Cincy. I thought I read a lot about Dayton recruiting for these names like: Mammadou Diarra, Logan Johnson and Prince Gilliam Toyambi. Whether Dayton had any real shot at these recruits or not I think it might show to whom we are losing recruits in the war of recruiting. I still think that we need to get Anthony Grant that helicopter so that he can compete with North Carolina State and impress high school recruits.
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I'll take Xavier over UC this year. I see no slow down/hiccup with Travis Steele taking over.

Cronin IMO, really needs to work on his offense, they struggle offensively IMO. They have only been past the round of 32 once in his 12 years there.

I think his seat should be warm, maybe even hot.

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Archie and IU #25. #4 Big Ten

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Maryland comes in at 23 and 3rd in Big 10. Former Dayton recruit Darryl Morsell had a solid freshman year averaging about 9 points a game. Archie recruited Morsel hard and still lost him. I remember Archie beaming in a photo with Morsell at UD arena. But, Darryl changed his mind and went to a local school. And so did Archie, who also left.
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The dynamics of college basketball hiring are interesting.

Xavier's Travis Steele interviewed for the Wright State job, but he got passed over, losing out to Scott Nagy, who has worked out very well for WSU, but yet then 2 years later he lands the Xavier job, which is clearly a much bigger, higher prestige job than the WSU job. Being an in-house candidate definitely seems to have helped Steele.

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The dynamics of college basketball hiring are interesting.

Xavier's Travis Steele interviewed for the Wright State job, but he got passed over, losing out to Scott Nagy, who has worked out very well for WSU, but yet then a year later Steele lands the Xavier job, which is clearly a much bigger, higher prestige job than the WSU job. Being an in-house candidate definitely seems to have helped Steele.
Meh. Ignoring my UD bias, I'd have chosen Nagy over Steele if I was WSU's AD. A coach who's been around for a long time, helped his team transition to Div 1 (pretty sure) and then succeed in this division, versus a coach who hasn't had a head-coaching job yet. As well, Steele getting the X gig, follows the bloodline method that X has proven is successful for them going back about 5 coaches.
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Syracuse comes in at 22 and 6 th in the ACC. I see Pascal Chukwu only averaged about 5 points a game. I remember when he declared that he was leaving Providence and looking for a new school. I was a little hopeful that Dayton could pull off a coup and recruit him. But, I thought that he could average more than 5 points a game? At 7’2” and with his wingspan, you would think that it would be easy for him to score in the paint I remember that he made an official visit to St. Joseph’s and I thought, oh no, he’ll become a hawk?
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"Last season, SMU had their lowest win total since joining the American Athletic Conference in 2013. The Mustangs won just six conference games after winning double-digit AAC games in each of the past four seasons. Injuries to Shake Milton, Jarrey Foster and Everett Ray certainly played a role in SMU’s down year. This season, Milton is gone along with fellow starter Ben Emelogu, but the Mustangs have four players returning who started at least 14 games last season.

Full seasons from Foster, Ray and Jahmal McMurray should get SMU right back in the thick of the AAC race."
Coaches pick SMU 7th in their conference. The AAC race is going to have to be really thick.
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Michigan comes in at 21 and 2nd in the big 10. Ibi Watson’s departure is documented without any comment.
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Mississippi State comes in at 14 or 4th in the SEC. They had a record of 25-12 last season. I am surprised that they did not get into the NCAA last year? This is Dayton’s opponent on 11/30 at home. This article makes them appear stacked with skills and depth. They have two brothers who play guard. This opponent will be very tough for Dayton?
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Maryland comes in at 23 and 3rd in Big 10. Former Dayton recruit Darryl Morsell had a solid freshman year averaging about 9 points a game. Archie recruited Morsel hard and still lost him. I remember Archie beaming in a photo with Morsell at UD arena. But, Darryl changed his mind and went to a local school. And so did Archie, who also left.
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Wow. I didn’t realize that Morsell was that close to picking Dayton. Did Archie really think he had him in the door? I can’t recall what was said or printed at the time.
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Auburn comes in at 10 and 3rd in SEC. I see that Auburn has Samir Doughty on the team from VCU. I remember this Doughty. He was very good. Auburn is Dayton’s opponent on December 8th. Wow, we get to play the 10th best team in the country in the friendly confines of UD arena.
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Auburn comes in at 10 and 3rd in SEC. I see that Auburn has Samir Doughty on the team from VCU. I remember this Doughty. He was very good. Auburn is Dayton’s opponent on December 8th. Wow, we get to play the 10th best team in the country in the friendly confines of UD arena.
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On the road unfortunately
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On the road unfortunately
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Correct, but we get to play Mississippi State at home, and some have them in the Top 15.

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Old 10-29-2018, 12:19 PM
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Oops, sorry. You are correct. The Auburn game is on the road. I looked at the schedule wrong.
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Old 10-30-2018, 07:09 PM
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North Carolina comes in at number 8 and 3rd in the ACC. I remember when Sterling Manley was being recruited out of Pickerington High School in Ohio. I was hopeful that Dayton might have a chance to recruit him. The reports were that he was big but a raw player. Then, it seemed, North Carolina swooped in and all recruiting was over. I see that he only averaged 5 points a game in his freshman season but they are expected big things from him this year.

Looking at the five star recruits on this team reminds us of the monumental achievement of Dayton beating North Carolina and winning the NIT. My co-workers, who were North Carolina fans, were speechless. I didn’t rub it in too much. I just said, “Did you see the final score of that game?” Their reaction was, “well you caught North Carolina in a down year.” I scoffed but let it go.
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Old 11-02-2018, 11:17 AM
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Virginia comes in at number 5 and 2nd in the ACC. Virginia is a potential opponent for Dayton depending upon the outcome of the Butler game in the battle for Atlantis tournament. Virginia boasts perhaps the best backcourt (two Junior guards) in the nation and a NBA lottery pick player according to this 144 list.
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Virginia comes in at number 5 and 2nd in the ACC. Virginia is a potential opponent for Dayton depending upon the outcome of the Butler game in the battle for Atlantis tournament. Virginia boasts perhaps the best backcourt (two Junior guards) in the nation and a NBA lottery pick player according to this 144 list.
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The nice thing about playing Virginia is it is a legit chance to win a game against a highly ranked team because, although it is very hard to score against them, they rarely run away from their opponents which keeps you in striking distance until the end of the game.
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Poor SMU at #65 ?!

"Last season, SMU had their lowest win total since joining the American Athletic Conference in 2013. The Mustangs won just six conference games after winning double-digit AAC games in each of the past four seasons.

Injuries to Shake Milton, Jarrey Foster and Everett Ray certainly played a role in SMU’s down year.

This season, Milton is gone along with fellow starter Ben Emelogu, but the Mustangs have four players returning who started at least 14 games last season. Full seasons from Foster, Ray and Jahmal McMurray should get SMU right back in the thick of the AAC race."

UPDATE---Ray and Foster are now gone at least to mid-year with chronic injuries. Now they have 2 players left, who started at least 14 games, from last years team.
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