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Old 09-14-2018, 12:55 PM
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Would you schedule this series?

Ohio State's AD offers Dayton:

2 games at Value City Arena in Columbus
1 game at UD Arena
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Yes. That's better than our Louisville deal was awhile back that didn't have any games at UD Arena.
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Ohio State's AD offers Dayton:

2 games at Value City Arena in Columbus
1 game at UD Arena
1 game at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland (Home of the Cavs)

Yes

or change one of the Value City Arena games or the Quicken Loans game to Nationwide Arena so the Buckeyes can say it is a neutral court game.
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No, I do not like the 4th game being played in Cleveland. I do not think either school would want the 4th game makes no sense for either school especially in Cleveland.

2 for 1 makes the most sense
1 At Value City, 1 at UD and 1 at Nationwide would work too.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
No, I do not like the 4th game being played in Cleveland. I do not think either school would want the 4th game makes no sense for either school especially in Cleveland.

2 for 1 makes the most sense
1 At Value City, 1 at UD and 1 at Nationwide would work too.
Supposedly Ohio State is looking for a neutral site game in Cleveland for a recruit they have coming in from Cleveland and some of the guys they're targeting in the upcoming classes
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Supposedly Ohio State is looking for a neutral site game in Cleveland for a recruit they have coming in from Cleveland and some of the guys they're targeting in the upcoming classes
I am surprised they would feel the need to do that considering it is only an 1.5-2 hour drive down to Columbus. Normally when teams look for games like that for recruits it is out of state.
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YES, YES, YES, YEAH ABSOLUTELY!!!

It's such an obvious yes, I'm not sure it counts as a question...Cleveland or no Cleveland! However, it would be down right foolish to pass on a fourth game with one of the schools you are always wanting to schedule. Although, it would good of one of the Schott games were moved to Nationwide.

I asked in another thread if UD would accept a two year round Robin at Mutual site with OSU if the Flyers had to play Wright State the first year, but got Ohio state the second year. And folks are afraid to answer, or bring themselves to go there. But if Ohio state offers that, UD better darn well take it.
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I asked in another thread if UD would accept a two year round Robin at Mutual site with OSU if the Flyers had to play Wright State the first year, but got Ohio state the second year. And folks are afraid to answer, or bring themselves to go there. But if Ohio state offers that, UD better darn well take it.
What would UD, OSU, and whoever is putting on said event gain from inviting WSU and their traveling group of 38 fans?
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I'd do that type of deal with Indiana as well.
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Just general comments.

1. For the anniversary of flight, we played North Carolina at there facility. I thought there was an agreement that they were to give us a return game at U.D. Arena, Never happened.

2. We had Kentucky down in Cincinnati. I thought I remembered that we were the home team, got maybe 20% of the tickets. The Flyer Fans out cheered their team and got a nice victory. The look on the Kentucky fans faces...priceless.

3. Dayton has done fairly well against the so called power 5 conferences.

4. Top schools just won't come to the arena. Be afraid. Be very afraid

5. Would love to see an inner state holiday tournament.
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I'd do that type of deal with Indiana as well.
Archie is smart. I donít see him bringing his team to UD Arena.
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Archie coached at Western Kentucky, North Carolina State, Ohio State, Arizona State and Arizona and he never got Dayton fans any games with those schools. So, why think that he would get the Dayton fans an Indiana game?

But, of course, you know he loves us Dayton fans. That is why he betrayed us at his first opportunity and was looking to leave to jump up to a bigger school for several years prior to his eventual escape.

Do I have hard feelings? Dayton loved him and did everything we could for him and he still left.
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Archie coached at Western Kentucky, North Carolina State, Ohio State, Arizona State and Arizona and he never got Dayton fans any games with those schools. So, why think that he would get the Dayton fans an Indiana game?

But, of course, you know he loves us Dayton fans. That is why he betrayed us at his first opportunity and was looking to leave to jump up to a bigger school for several years prior to his eventual escape.

Do I have hard feelings? Dayton loved him and did everything we could for him and he still left.
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I sure hope you've never changed jobs...otherwise you'd be a hypocrite.
While I understand your sentiment, the comparison is not exactly the same.

It should be more like, changing jobs, where they attempted to match the salary, the job environment was friendly, inviting, and you had everyone eating from the palm of your hands. You wanted for nothing, and everything you needed was given. The grass was always green and was maintained perfectly.

So, when Buckleyma left McDonald's to work at UD during his college years, then went to his first job out of college who didn't appreciate them, underpaid them, and they found a job that would appreciate them and pay them more, that's not the same as Archie.

In my career, I've lost my job because of contract loss twice, and left the other 2 on my own accord, 1 where I wasn't being paid my worth, and the other where the environment was becoming toxic. So, my career path cannot be compared the belief of what Archie did to Dayton fans.

As for Archie, except for Ohio State the same year, if he hadn't taken the Indiana job, I presume he would have been at Dayton for at least 4-6 years until another blue-blood type program opened. I'm not sure any jobs this year he would have taken. I certainly don't blame him for taking the job, but he could have been King (sorry rollo) in Dayton if he stayed and kept the trajectory going for the basketball team.
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Figgie123: My reference was that we want the Dayton head coaching job to be a destination job not where a coach steps on our head on the way out after a couple years. The biggest disappointment was that Archie did not groom adequately one of his assistant coaches for the job so the transition was not so severe. We lost last year to transition and maybe this year to a re-build.

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1. For the anniversary of flight, we played North Carolina at there facility. I thought there was an agreement that they were to give us a return game at U.D. Arena, Never happened.

2. We had Kentucky down in Cincinnati. I thought I remembered that we were the home team, got maybe 20% of the tickets. The Flyer Fans out cheered their team and got a nice victory. The look on the Kentucky fans faces...priceless.

3. Dayton has done fairly well against the so called power 5 conferences.

4. Top schools just won't come to the arena. Be afraid. Be very afraid

5. Would love to see an inner state holiday tournament.
Also UCLA hosed us on a return date to UD Arena after we visited Pauley Pavilion in 1971 during the Bruins heydays.
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Yep. While weíre at it,make it a three way with Cincy.
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Cool That's not the question

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What would UD, OSU, and whoever is putting on said event gain from inviting WSU and their traveling group of 38 fans?
My question was: Would UD agree to it?

Furthermore, who in the world hopes the opponent brings more fans, to an event that will virtually sellout anyway?

As for your question, why in the hell would THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY waste it's time scheduling a game against upstart dayton??!!!
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Furthermore, who in the world hopes the opponent brings more fans, to an event that will virtually sellout anyway?

Ohio State. Ohio State hopes the opponent brings fans. That way the stands won't be empty. That includes a game played in Columbus, Cleveland, anywhere tOSU is playing a non-top-5 school.
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If you are gonna fantasize about something that will never happen, why not do a home and home with Kansas followed with North Carolina? That has just as good a chance of coming through......
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Given the perceived difficulties that UD and other non P5 schools will have in scheduling non conference games in the future, does it make sense for UD to offer 2 for 1 games? Since we travel well, these games might be a bit more like neutral games than full away games. Could be an additional recruiting tool as well. Thoughts?
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Ohio State's AD offers Dayton:

2 games at Value City Arena in Columbus
1 game at UD Arena
1 game at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland (Home of the Cavs)
As long as it doesn't conflict with our North Florida or Presbyterian games.
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What station will these games be on? Virtual Reality Channel?
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If you are gonna fantasize about something that will never happen, why not do a home and home with Kansas followed with North Carolina? That has just as good a chance of coming through......
This series is pretty slanted towards Ohio State. 2 games at home for them and a neutral court that'll favor them

Davidson plays series like this without the home game but 2 and neutral, home and neutral with schools like North Carolina and Wake Forest
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Given the new realities of post RPI measurement, I think UD is going to have to break the scheduling mold. I wouldn't be in favor of 2 away, 1 home, and 1 neutral but I would consider a straight 2 for 1 deal. Pair it up with a team like Murray St. for a 2 home 1 away we did with them a few years ago.

This gives us two quality games every year (1 home, 1 away) and bite the bullet by dropping two buy games. Couple this with the traditional two h/h's we get from teams from the SEC or strong mid majors and a solid in season tourney and there is enough meat there to get an at large bid if the W's are there.

I know I'm sounding like UD2 and opening up a can of worms that is digested about this time every year but the landscape is changing (20 game conf schedule and new "metrics") and there ain't nothing a program like UD can do about it--adapt or die.

Yes, UD will get one less gate. Make it up by NCAA tourney $, TV $, raise per game prices a few $'s and or tighten the belt on other program's spending.

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