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Mooney should be gone IMO. I do not understand why UR is keeping him around. He has been given plenty of time.
No NCAAT for the last 7 years.
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Mooney has a bunch of freshman and sophomores on the team this year. They played pretty well considering their experience in A10 play
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Saw where Evansville terminated the contract of Marty Simmons after 11 seasons, and that one of their targeted candidates is Travis Steele, Mack’s top assistant at X. That got me thinking:
1) That would kind of bring things full-circle, since Mack started his playing career at UE, then transferred to X, then became coach at X, only to have an assistant become coach at UE. And
2) Will catcher’s masks need to become part of the standard basketball uniform in the Missouri Valley Conference next year? You know. To protect against thrown basketballs?
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Steele is out now per reports. Wonder if he knows something about Mack
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Reported on TV in New Jersey that Hurley has taken the UConn job.
When Rutgers came to Hurley a few years ago with some pretty big money and massaging his NJ background, he said that he was staying at URI because of the team he had then (the seniors now) and how he thought they would take URI far.
When my daughter was looking at colleges, we looked at URI and, maybe I was wrong, but I was not overly impressed by the campus, the area and the town. Even for a small state, it seemed like it was in the middle of nowhere and a distance from Providence.
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UConn hard to turn down
A few things UConn has going for it:
1. Hurley's family wouldn't even have to move....at least not right away.
2. UConn can pay at least one million more than URI..at least.
3. UConn is a destination job
4. UConn's new on-campus $45 million basketball facility has to be seen to be believed.
5. May depend on the impression UConn's AD makes.
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A few things UConn has going against it:
1. AAC is not a P5 conference.
2. Football is bleeding $s.
3. May be some NCAA/FBI issues to be dealt with.
URI is not a bad job. He does have talent coming back and probably still sits at or close to the top of the A10 as recent powers of UD and VCU regroup. May not be a bad idea to let the dust settle with the NCAA/FBI thing and wait for a P5 destination job.
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Originally Posted by Flyer68
When my daughter was looking at colleges, we looked at URI and, maybe I was wrong, but I was not overly impressed by the campus, the area and the town. Even for a small state, it seemed like it was in the middle of nowhere and a distance from Providence.
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You are correct that it is in the middle of nowhere and the campus is so-so at best. There is a cool little downtown about 15 minutes away with some good bars and restaurants. For people in RI it is far from Providence but for anyone else in the world it is about a 35-40 drive from Providence (For Rhode Islanders anything over 30 minutes away is an overnight trip for them).
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A few things UConn has going against it:
1. AAC is not a P5 conference.
2. Football is bleeding $s.
3. May be some NCAA/FBI issues to be dealt with.
URI is not a bad job. He does have talent coming back and probably still sits at or close to the top of the A10 as recent powers of UD and VCU regroup. May not be a bad idea to let the dust settle with the NCAA/FBI thing and wait for a P5 destination job.
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UConn's NCAA issues are not FBI related, they are run of the mill recruiting violations.
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OK so my memory has not completely gone south. I prefer my bars and restaurant within 15 minute at most walking distance. Actually my other daughter went to JWU in Providence, which was a city I came to like.
Be interesting to see if one of Hurley's assistants gets the job or how many follow him to UConn. Despite being a whiner, I think it is a good spot for him. Only way is up for UConn and he can ride it. From what I have read in NYC papers, over the years UConn is either still angry at Pitt, BC and Syracuse for leaving - and not taking UConn with it - or with UConn having to struggle playing elsewhere.
Hurley can provide or exacerbate any "chip on the shoulder" mentality and bring UConn back. Should be interesting to watch. I don't know if Hurley had good Connecticut recruits at URI.
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Originally Posted by ud2
Mooney should be gone IMO. I do not understand why UR is keeping him around. He has been given plenty of time.
No NCAAT for the last 7 years.
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Different schools have different expectations, as do their fans and alumni. I have been to several games at Richmond and Davidson, and believe me they have a different attitude than UD about their program. Probably healthier, more polite and friendlier.
Last year my wife and I were having breakfast at the place we stayed in Davidson, after we came back and beat them in overtime. The place was loaded with Davidson alum, who were carrying on a conversation that involved the entire room. You would have thought they won the game, as they had nothing but pleasure on their faces, as they praised Scoochie's shooting. Nary a negative word for their team.
Mooney would have been gone about 2 years ago at UD.
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer
You are correct that it is in the middle of nowhere and the campus is so-so at best. There is a cool little downtown about 15 minutes away with some good bars and restaurants. For people in RI it is far from Providence but for anyone else in the world it is about a 35-40 drive from Providence (For Rhode Islanders anything over 30 minutes away is an overnight trip for them).
UConn's NCAA issues are not FBI related, they are run of the mill recruiting violations.
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URI is starved by the State,..gets only 6% of its operating budget from the State. Hurley is paid about one million...URI can't get that up to two million, in my opinon.
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OK so my memory has not completely gone south. I prefer my bars and restaurant within 15 minute at most walking distance. Actually my other daughter went to JWU in Providence, which was a city I came to like.
Be interesting to see if one of Hurley's assistants gets the job or how many follow him to UConn. Despite being a whiner, I think it is a good spot for him. Only way is up for UConn and he can ride it. From what I have read in NYC papers, over the years UConn is either still angry at Pitt, BC and Syracuse for leaving - and not taking UConn with it - or with UConn having to struggle playing elsewhere.
Hurley can provide or exacerbate any "chip on the shoulder" mentality and bring UConn back. Should be interesting to watch. I don't know if Hurley had good Connecticut recruits at URI.
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UConn paid Ollie three million and ordinarily would match that for Hurley. But UConn has itself in a deep financial hole over Ollie's buy-out. Not at all clear to anyone how that will be handled and how it may affect negotiations with Hurley. Would Hurley be willing to work for two million when Ollie was paid three?....perhaps with really juicy incentives.
UConn is not Power 5 but is still UConn....magnificent facilities second to none....still able to schedule Power 5 opponents with little difficulty.
The bad blood between UConn and other schools over abandonment of the Big East is ancient history. In fact, only BC was involved and now UConn and BC have resumed scheduling. No issue there.
The entire Power 5 things smacks of an illegal cartel. The majority of American Conference schools invest in facilities matching at least half of the Power 5 schools. And the top half of the AAC is much better than the bottom half of a typical Power 5 conference....three AAC schools in final top 25 FB poll, one in top ten. Yet the conference is locked out by the Power5/TV cartel. That is killing schools like UConn and UC...while bottom feeders like Illinois and other similar schools in the Power 5 thrive financially.
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer
The entire Power 5 things smacks of an illegal cartel. The majority of American Conference schools invest in facilities matching at least half of the Power 5 schools. And the top half of the AAC is much better than the bottom half of a typical Power 5 conference....three AAC schools in final top 25 FB poll, one in top ten. Yet the conference is locked out by the Power5/TV cartel. That is killing schools like UConn and UC...while bottom feeders like Illinois and other similar schools in the Power 5 thrive financially.
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I agree totally but are things going to change? Because of all this Hurley may wait for a good P5 job.
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Wow! Let me get this straight. A successful A10 coach is wooed by a higher profile program that has won national championships. Why would anyone do that? Shouldn't they stay at the A10 school the rest of their career.
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I agree totally but are things going to change? Because of all this Hurley may wait for a good P5 job.
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But, if he earns ~ $3 million at UConn and is successful nothing prevents him from viewing UConn as a stepping stone to that Power 5 job. He's got to win wherever he goes, UConn or elsewhere. By the way, one of Hurley's top assistants was one of Calhoun's top assistants. Hurley has solid inside info re what life is like at UConn.
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Hey, I don't know sh!t. I am not suggesting he would stay at URI for life. I just think he may drag it out a few more years ala Shaka. I think the biggest thing UConn has going for it is that his brother is making more at ASU than he is.
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Apparently he's had some dissatisfaction that URI won't invest in the program with chartered flights, a dedicated on campus practice facility, etc
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A few things UConn has going for it:
3. UConn is a destination job
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I am not sure about #3. When UConn was a p5 school, then it was a destination job, but being in the AAC changes things a lot.
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I think Dan Hurley has some coaching defiencies, but he seems like a good recruiter.
And he does have that volcanic personality, can he avoid blowing his top if he has some struggles at UConn?
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Never know, but,....
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I am not sure about #3. When UConn was a p5 school, then it was a destination job, but being in the AAC changes things a lot.
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The AAC considers itself the Power 6 conference...even have a logo. The AAC schools have resources and know what it takes to become a real power conference....beat Power 5 schools. They are doing that.
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I think Dan Hurley has some coaching defiencies, but he seems like a good recruiter.
And he does have that volcanic personality, can he avoid blowing his top if he has some struggles at UConn?
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"Blowing his top" is exactly why Calhoun was successful as a coach. The man would not, could not, tolerate losing. UConn doesn't have Hurley, or anyone, yet. Media expect decision this week. UConn needs to get this right.
Meanwhile, the UConn women cruise along. I don't see the talent in the freshmen and sophs though, that is typical of Auriemma's classes the last decade.
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Different schools have different expectations, as do their fans and alumni. I have been to several games at Richmond and Davidson, and believe me they have a different attitude than UD about their program. Probably healthier, more polite and friendlier.
Last year my wife and I were having breakfast at the place we stayed in Davidson, after we came back and beat them in overtime. The place was loaded with Davidson alum, who were carrying on a conversation that involved the entire room. You would have thought they won the game, as they had nothing but pleasure on their faces, as they praised Scoochie's shooting. Nary a negative word for their team.
Mooney would have been gone about 2 years ago at UD.
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This is what is wrong with the A10, too many schools that accept mediocrity/don't care about winning.
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The AAC considers itself the Power 6 conference...even have a logo. The AAC schools have resources and know what it takes to become a real power conference....beat Power 5 schools. They are doing that.
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Somebody tell Bernadette to get us a logo so we can be the P7 conference.
I must have missed the news that the Sun Belt became P5 conference. Who dropped out?
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This is what is wrong with the A10, too many schools that accept mediocrity/don't care about winning.
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Actually if the A10 could get a few schools up to the mediocre level, it would be an improvement.
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This is what is wrong with the A10, too many schools that accept mediocrity/don't care about winning.
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There is a difference between accepting mediocrity and letting a loss by kids playing a game ruin your day/week.
There are certain things you can control in basketball. You can defend well, you can be in position for rebounds, you can take good shots.
There are certain things you can not control. The opponent making shots no matter how well you defend. The ball not bouncing your way no matter how well your in position. The ball not going in no matter how good of shots you take.
Any time Dayton does the things they can control, win or lose, I'm happy. That's a good game. I'm frustrated with a loss, sure, but still happy with the play.
I remember the Rock and Roll Shootout against UC years ago. While I know some Dayton fans left with their heads hung low, I loved that game! Dayton played AWESOME, but just came up short. No shame in that. And that is not accepting mediocrity.
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56 page thread on the URI board with 2,775 replies with over 93,000 views.
I am sure that URI fans are going crazy right now.
Wow.
Edit: my bad, the thread was started a year ago.
http://keaneyblue.com/viewforum.php?...ad3c6c7632a023
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I think Dan Hurley has some coaching defiencies, but he seems like a good recruiter.
And he does have that volcanic personality, can he avoid blowing his top if he has some struggles at UConn?
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Hurley and that jackwad at _avier will get along quite nicely. Cage match at center court.
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On the URI board, take URI out and put Dayton in to the topics on the URI message board and you would think you are reading the actual Dayton board. Same comments, questions and concerns. Interesting reading. Felt like I was spying into someone else's program!
Interesting comment by one person who mentioned that after the game, when he was asked, Hurley said he had not been thinking about offers from any other schools. Then on Monday, he has negotiations with two schools (Pitt and UConn) and decides in one day to take the UConn job and uproot his family.
Sure he never thought about it before and it was not a distraction leading up to the tournament. Sounds like comments on our board when BG and AM left us.
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On the URI board, take URI out and put Dayton in to the topics on the URI message board and you would think you are reading the actual Dayton board. Same comments, questions and concerns. Interesting reading. Felt like I was spying into someone else's program!
Interesting comment by one person who mentioned that after the game, when he was asked, Hurley said he had not been thinking about offers from any other schools. Then on Monday, he has negotiations with two schools (Pitt and UConn) and decides in one day to take the UConn job and uproot his family.
Sure he never thought about it before and it was not a distraction leading up to the tournament. Sounds like comments on our board when BG and AM left us.
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What do you expect the guy to say?
There is no reporting that Hurley has "taken the UConn job". Just speculation. He has met with the UConn AD...that's it.
When a deal gets done...if it gets done...UConn will announce it immediately. UConn wants this done....fast.
By the way, if Hurley chooses UConn there is no need to "uproot" his family. The schools are nearby....his kids can finish school where they are, etc. That may be a consideration.
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What do you expect the guy to say?
There is no reporting that Hurley has "taken the UConn job". Just speculation. He has met with the UConn AD...that's it.
When a deal gets done...if it gets done...UConn will announce it immediately. UConn wants this done....fast.
By the way, if Hurley chooses UConn there is no need to "uproot" his family. The schools are nearby....his kids can finish school where they are, etc. That may be a consideration.
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Oh I am sure it would be great for Mrs. Hurley and the kids to be living in Kinston or wherever they actually live while Danny is spending most of his time in Storrs. It would be a real pleasant experience going to the grocery store and school. Nothing would change. Everyone in Kinston would be so understanding that it is just business. Doing what is best for Danny and his family.
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Jon Rothstein reporting Pitt has offered $3M. Uconn and URI better get busy.
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Oh I am sure it would be great for Mrs. Hurley and the kids to be living in Kinston or wherever they actually live while Danny is spending most of his time in Storrs. It would be a real pleasant experience going to the grocery store and school. Nothing would change. Everyone in Kinston would be so understanding that it is just business. Doing what is best for Danny and his family.
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Where do you think Kingston is?
For many years Calhoun and later Ollie had an Assoc Head coach who commuted from RI to CT every day choosing not to move to CT. It's an easy 90 minute drive...longer than I would like to make; but definitely doable and preferable to pulling kids out of school with just three months left in the school year. Also, looking for a house in CT could be carried out in a less-than-rushed manner if he retained his RI home for a few months.
By the way, how much time do you think the wife and kids of a head basketball coach spend with their husbands/fathers during the season?
I have no idea (and neither do you) how significant factors like this are to the Hurley family...or to any coaches family. My guess is that more than a few wives are willing to make some trade offs for the life style that comes with a million dollar plus family income.
It has been rumored that the Hurley family prefers New England to other locations that have been mentioned. Soon we'll know.
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I think it would be tough for your family to live in your old school's backyard while coaching a new school. The community may not be real accommodating.
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Google says that Storrs is only about 55 miles from Kingston, but Google says it is not a straight shot drive, it is about a 90 minute drive, I did not realize the two were so close.
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Google says that Storrs is only about 55 miles from Kingston, but Google says it is not a straight shot drive, it is about a 90 minute drive, I did not realize the two were so close.
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Close for everybody except For Rhode Islanders who would have to take a weeks vacation to make that trip.
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Good point, but,...
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I think it would be tough for your family to live in your old school's backyard while coaching a new school. The community may not be real accommodating.
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That is a point. But, I think most people would be more than understanding about a man taking a position that pays 3X his current salary. Also, URI and UConn are not rivals. That was the case about 40 years ago; but no longer. Most definitely, this is not a UD-X kinda thing. More likely the URI fan base is proud that they have a coach of such stature as to be coveted by top-tier schools.
URI takes BB (men's only) seriously and strives to have a good team. The school is a good A10 member. The Ryan Center is relatively new and one of the best in the A10...very nice I find the URI crowd to be courteous and mature...friendly and respectful toward opponents.
There's a lot to like about URI and RI in general. I hope everything works out for the best for URI...and for UConn.
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I think it would be tough for your family to live in your old school's backyard while coaching a new school. The community may not be real accommodating.
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I thought that is what I was saying but in my typical sarcastic, obnoxious way. Can you imagine if Archie took the OSU job? Dayton to Columbus would be an easier commute than Kinston to Cbus but I can't imagine many of the Flyer Faithful being that understanding and kind to Morgan.
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Understood...
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I thought that is what I was saying but in my typical sarcastic, obnoxious way. Can you imagine if Archie took the OSU job? Dayton to Columbus would be an easier commute than Kinston to Cbus but I can't imagine many of the Flyer Faithful being that understanding and kind to Morgan.
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Entirely understandable. The issue is the relationship difference. Men's basketball is a life-and-death matter for our U and the Faithful...it's our identity..we're spending $70+ million to renovate our building! For us to lose a top coach to an in-state rival like tOSU, X, UC would be all but unbearable.
Nothing could be more different at URI or even UConn. Neither school has a relationship or rivalry with any school even remotely approaching that among the schools mentioned above....or with each other.
It's completely different. I have no idea how this will play out for URI, UConn or the Hurley's. But whatever happens it will bear no resemblance whatsoever to an "Archie-goes-to-Columbus" scenario.
Attitudes toward college athletics in the Northeast is unlike that elsewhere in the Country. Quite laid back in comparison, generally. During Calhoun's ~ 30 tenure UConn BB was blazing hot. But, even then, that was because UConn was winning and always near the top of the heap nationally. CT fans will support a winner; but only a winner. The Faithful supports UD basketball no matter what.
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I'll leave my program that lost all its incoming recruits to go to another program that lost all of its players.
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Here's the problem NCAA needs to fix. Sean is running away from potential serious trouble. It is the schools programs that take the hit while the coaches escape with little damage free to go to fertal ground to create new messes.
Coaches need to be held accountable.
Sean also knows they won't be able to buy anymore players at Arizona.
If he does leave what a slap in the face to the U and fans that stood behind him during the acquisitions.
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Here's the problem NCAA needs to fix. Sean is running away from potential serious trouble. It is the schools programs that take the hit while the coaches escape with little damage free to go to fertal ground to create new messes.
Coaches need to be held accountable.
Sean also knows they won't be able to buy anymore players at Arizona.
If he does leave what a slap in the face to the U and fans that stood behind him during the acquisitions.
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I'm not completely sure on this so correct me if I am wrong, but I think the NCAA has strengthened their penalties against coaches too. Wasn't Kelvin Sampson barred from coaching in the NCAA for five years after his last bout with the NCAA and recruiting violations?
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Here's the problem NCAA needs to fix. Sean is running away from potential serious trouble. It is the schools programs that take the hit while the coaches escape with little damage free to go to fertal ground to create new messes.
Coaches need to be held accountable.
Sean also knows they won't be able to buy anymore players at Arizona.
If he does leave what a slap in the face to the U and fans that stood behind him during the acquisitions.
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We don't know the facts...and for sure any school considering Miller will have to know the facts. But if he is heard on tape discussing paying players...$100K at that,...to come to UA, wouldn't that be career-ending as Bilas indicated when the story first broke? Paying players isn't like impermissible phone calls or practices or contact. There are few things worse.
Now if I was an AD and Miller looked me in the eye and said the allegations are completely false...and was willing to address the potential consequences in his contract....I'd believe him. SM knows whether or not he's guilty. If he's entirely clean and is otherwise happy at UA, why is he even considering a change as reported?
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I am sure his attorneys advised him to deny all alligations and sick to it as the burden of proof has yet been played. He has nothing to lose by sticking to his story as they may or may not have proof. If they do he is screwed either way, at least he keeps his job and reputation in tact for time being.
Tape could be inadmissible in court. Legal loophole, if so it would still find its way in media and court of public opinion would doom him in.
So play it out till proven.
As for looking at other jobs, have heard it mentioned before he or his family don't really care for Arizona the state. A Midwest boy might prefer 4 seasons. Plus his seat might have gotten a little warmer with an early exit
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I am bad at posting Twitter links but I saw something that said Sean Miller is not a candidate for the Pitt job.
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I am bad at posting Twitter links but I saw something that said Sean Miller is not a candidate for the Pitt job.
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He has officially made a statement that he is not a candidate for the Pitt job and he wishes them well in their search.
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If you were Chris nose breaker mack, would you leave XU for U of L.?
Personally, I wouldn't. But what ya think? Cincinnati is a heck of a lot nicer than Louisville; and Xavier seems just as likely a final four program, and better chance of sustainable success in coming seasons as does U of L.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Here's the problem NCAA needs to fix. Sean is running away from potential serious trouble. It is the schools programs that take the hit while the coaches escape with little damage free to go to fertal ground to create new messes.
Coaches need to be held accountable.
Sean also knows they won't be able to buy anymore players at Arizona.
If he does leave what a slap in the face to the U and fans that stood behind him during the acquisitions.
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Fines, sanctions, loss of scholarships, post season tournament bans, etc. should follow the coach to his new program if he was involved, unless he moves down a division. There, fixed. Anything else?
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If you were Chris nose breaker mack, would you leave XU for U of L.?
Personally, I wouldn't. But what ya think? Cincinnati is a heck of a lot nicer than Louisville; and Xavier seems just as likely a final four program, and better chance of sustainable success in coming seasons as does U of L.
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That's a tough call. His family is settled in Cincy but I believe his wife is from Lville and still has family there. I have to believe U of L will pay more. There may be come short term sanctions to deal with but that may give him a chance to breathe a bit. ACC is still a better conference than the BE. It's easy when it's not me but I would take it. Then again I have no affinity for the school that he would be leaving. I really don't have one for U of L either but I guess I hate them less.
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer
He has officially made a statement that he is not a candidate for the Pitt job and he wishes them well in their search.
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Which is coach speak for I have been told by my peeps who reached out to you that you don't want me with my baggage so officially i'm not interested in your job.
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That's a tough call. His family is settled in Cincy but I believe his wife is from Lville and still has family there. I have to believe U of L will pay more. There may be come short term sanctions to deal with but that may give him a chance to breathe a bit. ACC is still a better conference than the BE. It's easy when it's not me but I would take it. Then again I have no affinity for the school that he would be leaving. I really don't have one for U of L either but I guess I hate them less.
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IMO, UL will pay a lot more than XU.
Also, ACC recruiting>BE, more TV money, greater prestige, much bigger fan base, much bigger arena, much more of a winning tradition, etc.
But, also, a lot more pressure.
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Originally Posted by ud2
IMO, UL will pay a lot more than XU.
Also, ACC recruiting>BE, more TV money, greater prestige, much bigger fan base, much bigger arena, much more of a winning tradition, etc.
But, also, a lot more pressure.
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I think Mack looks at UofL very seriously, for all of the legit basketball reasons. And don't underestimate the influence of the person on the other side of the bed. I don't know much about Christy's relationship with her family, who it appears remains in Louisville, but that could be a big draw.
Dominos to fall - Mack to Louisville, Kelsey back to XU and Prosser takes the Winthrop HC job. *Kelsey to XU wouldn't be an automatic, but he'd be on the short list. XU could probably hire someone with more experience and success on the bigger stage, but XU has never really hired that way traditionally.
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Hope Mack gets the UL job. Anything that brings even the slightest discomfort, upheaval, angst, disruption, etc., to Zavier, I am in favor of. They have gotten too lucky for too long. Time to stub your toe, step on a rake, f$%k the pooch, etc.
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I think Mack looks at UofL very seriously, for all of the legit basketball reasons. And don't underestimate the influence of the person on the other side of the bed. I don't know much about Christy's relationship with her family, who it appears remains in Louisville, but that could be a big draw.
Dominos to fall - Mack to Louisville, Kelsey back to XU and Prosser takes the Winthrop HC job. *Kelsey to XU wouldn't be an automatic, but he'd be on the short list. XU could probably hire someone with more experience and success on the bigger stage, but XU has never really hired that way traditionally.
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Multiple outlets reporting Danny Hurley is leaving URI for a 6-year deal at UConn, as rumored. Too bad for the A10, though Jon Rothstein is reporting assistant David Cox is essentially the head-coach-in-waiting and if they don’t hire him, he is owed a buyout. Good for continuity for them as he was their lead recruiter. Unproven as a head coach though.
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Multiple outlets reporting Danny Hurley is leaving URI for a 6-year deal at UConn, as rumored. Too bad for the A10, though Jon Rothstein is reporting assistant David Cox is essentially the head-coach-in-waiting and if they don’t hire him, he is owed a buyout. Good for continuity for them as he was their lead recruiter. Unproven as a head coach though.
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Hurley way overrated. He is a builder and his kids play for him and like him but he is not a Next level coach. The team this year did not finish strong and his two best years were when the conference was off in competition. An example is Archie handled him and out coached him with very similar teams. He is chasing the cash like they all do after all the Bull about family etc. Spent more time arguing with refs than coaching his team. Showed in the Duke game. Veteran team blown out by freshman and didn't compete. You would think with all the great games last week his team would show up and they didn't. Good move for Rhody.
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Hurley way overrated. He is a builder and his kids play for him and like him but he is not a Next level coach. The team this year did not finish strong and his two best years were when the conference was off in competition. An example is Archie handled him and out coached him with very similar teams. He is chasing the cash like they all do after all the Bull about family etc. Spent more time arguing with refs than coaching his team. Showed in the Duke game. Veteran team blown out by freshman and didn't compete. You would think with all the great games last week his team would show up and they didn't. Good move for Rhody.
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I'm not so sure I agree with that. Hurley is not my kind of guy but I think he is passionate but toned it down from his early years. That Duke team is good. Did I just say that? Hate to admit it. Hurley did a pretty good job and I think he is leaving more behind than Archie left. I don't want this to turn into a bashing Archie post and thread but look out how we finished Archie's last couple of years.
2016 lose in A10 semis to Joes and 1 and done in NCAAT with Syracuse.
2017 one in done in A10T losing to Davidson and one and done in NCAAT losing to Wich St.
URI did beat Oklahoma in NCAAT this year.
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Hurley way overrated. He is a builder and his kids play for him and like him but he is not a Next level coach. The team this year did not finish strong and his two best years were when the conference was off in competition. An example is Archie handled him and out coached him with very similar teams. He is chasing the cash like they all do after all the Bull about family etc. Spent more time arguing with refs than coaching his team. Showed in the Duke game. Veteran team blown out by freshman and didn't compete. You would think with all the great games last week his team would show up and they didn't. Good move for Rhody.
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I think he is going to struggle some at UConn, he has some coaching defiencies.
But, I think he is a good recruiter and a good motivator.
He will do OK at UConn, but I do not think that he is a great coach. I think Archie is better than Hurley.
Not a good move for Rhody though, they would be better off if he was still at Rhody, but they obviously were not able to hold onto him.
I wonder if there are any notable external candidates interested in replacing him, even though Cox is apparently replacing him.
Good luck to Rhody.
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Utah State is apparently interested in Wright State hc Nagy.
https://hoopdirt.com/daily-dirt-3-22-18/:
In yesterday’s Daily Dirt, I mentioned the search at Utah State. To update the list…I have been told to scratch off UC Davis head coach Jim Les. I’ve also been told that USU has shown interest in Wright State head coach Scott Nagy. More on this search as I hear it.
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Originally Posted by flybye
Hurley way overrated. He is a builder and his kids play for him and like him but he is not a Next level coach. The team this year did not finish strong and his two best years were when the conference was off in competition. An example is Archie handled him and out coached him with very similar teams. He is chasing the cash like they all do after all the Bull about family etc. Spent more time arguing with refs than coaching his team. Showed in the Duke game. Veteran team blown out by freshman and didn't compete. You would think with all the great games last week his team would show up and they didn't. Good move for Rhody.
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Yeah, I'm not so sure I agree with all of this, certainly not to the degree and sharpness with which it's written. Although, I do agree that he talks to the refs too much. His assistants must be tremendous in-game coaches, since in a 40 minute game, he really only coaches for about 2 to 3 minutes.
If in fact their head coach in waiting is Cox and he is their lead recruiter, then I don't expect them to miss too much.
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No, I am OK with them hiring Cox, but I would like to know who else is interested. If there is somebody great out there that is interested, then I might want them instead, there is no sense in boxing yourself in.
The process of replacing Hurley might go very quickly. Wright State, several years ago, named Donlon as hc 1 or 2 days after Brownell left, which was a mistake IMO. They should have left the job open for a week or 2 to see who else was interested.
I think it is probably a mistake for any school to just immediately name one of the assistants as the replacement.
I would have also been OK with hiring Dambrot or maybe Amaker, to replace Archie. I never saw much chatter about candidates, other than the list Mark Adams put out.
And we do not even know if Dambrot and/or Amaker were interested.
I just did not like the Grant hire.
And so what if people on here did not like one of Archie's assistants to be the guy, it is not like people on here are infallible. Everybody on here was behind the BG hire, and look how that turned out. BG was hired prior to my joining this board.
Adams' list:
http://www.udpride.com/forums/showth...ams#post534855
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Hard to believe that Louisville did not just ride with Padgett until they see what the NCAA will do. There is mention of them getting the death penalty. Who takes that job now, no matter what the money is? Cannot see Mack giving it any consideration.
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And if we are going to cite udpride posters as some great authority, then what about the poll below?
The large majority of people on here wanted one of Archie's assistants to replace Archie.
http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30787
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And if we are going to cite udpride posters as some great authority, then what about the poll below?
The large majority of people on here wanted one of Archie's assistants to replace Archie.
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Read my post again. I did not say anything about udpride posters in general. I said those close to the program.
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Read my post again. I did not say anything about udpride posters in general. I said those close to the program.
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Again, so what? Those close to the program liked the BG hire, what do they know?
Many of those same people wanted Archie fired in year 3. What do they know?
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Not too many dominos with this hire, but Walter McCarty - former UK standout/Boston Celtic player and current assistant has taken the Evansville job. Was an Evansville native.
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Again, so what? Those close to the program liked the BG hire, what do they know?
Many of those same people wanted Archie fired in year 3. What do they know?
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Not talking about the Grant hire. This started because you questioned URI hiring an assistant. Opposite of what you were suggesting for UD.
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Not talking about the Grant hire. This started because you questioned URI hiring an assistant. Opposite of what you were suggesting for UD.
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Where did I ever question URI wanting to hire Cox??? Please show me. Now you are making stuff up.
All I said was that URI should explore all their options. I never once said that hiring Cox would be a bad move.
Quit making stuff up.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Here's the problem NCAA needs to fix. Sean is running away from potential serious trouble. It is the schools programs that take the hit while the coaches escape with little damage free to go to fertal ground to create new messes.
Coaches need to be held accountable.
Sean also knows they won't be able to buy anymore players at Arizona.
If he does leave what a slap in the face to the U and fans that stood behind him during the acquisitions.
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John Calipari has made a career out of doing this.
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Originally Posted by CE80
Good for him but that would be bad for A10.
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The A10 should just change its name to the Stepping Stone conference.
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Jon Rothstein reporting that Dr G got the axe.
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Originally Posted by CE80
Jon Rothstein reporting that Dr G got the axe.
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If that is true, that is rough.
LaSalle needs something besides a high school gym before they need a new coach.
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How would you like to recruit the Phil region against the likes of Vill, Temple and St Joe when you can offer those facilities?
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LAS has been getting a lot of transfers. Nevada has shown that can work but I do think it can be difficult getting the chemistry right.
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Originally Posted by jack72
How would you like to recruit the Phil region against the likes of Vill, Temple and St Joe when you can offer those facilities?
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...and even Penn State, as Philly guy Pat Chambers has been getting some good players from the Philly region.
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LaSalle needs to find a new conference other than the A10. Dr. G. was actually an improvement for them.
Season Record RPI Rank SOS Rank
2016-2017 17-16 0.5344 101 0.5447 75
2015-2016 8-22 0.4619 233 0.5492 65
2014-2015 17-16 0.5344 101 0.5447 75
2013-2014 15-16 0.5391 98 0.5629 44
2012-2013 21-9 0.5900 46 0.5468 77
2011-2012 21-12 0.5521 86 0.5196 118
2010-2011 15-18 0.4953 169 0.5250 104
2009-2010 12-18 0.5012 173 0.5369 92
2008-2009 18-13 0.5263 112 0.5228 113
2007-2008 14-17 0.5026 163 0.5127 123
2006-2007 10-20 0.4349 268 0.4846 185
2005-2006 18-10 0.5353 103 0.4950 164
2004-2005 10-19 0.4688 214 0.5055 138
Dr. G. takes over
2003-2004 10-20 0.4811 188 0.5304 87
2002-2003 12-17 0.4902 172 0.5156 113
2001-2002 15-17 0.5051 145 0.5172 116
2000-2001 12-17 0.5025 147 0.5320 85
1999-2000 11-17 0.4901 169 0.5226 102
1998-1999 13-15 0.4880 172 0.4959 139
1997-1998 9-18 0.4798 176 0.5286 89
1996-1997 10-17 0.4825 176 0.5198 103
1995-1996 6-24 0.4724 190 0.5632 34
1994-1995 13-14 0.5077 133 0.5165 112
1993-1994 10-16 0.4930 171 0.5291 83
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Originally Posted by ud2
LaSalle needs to find a new conference other than the A10. Dr. G. was actually an improvement for them.
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He took them to the Sweet 16, which is a minor miracle.
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Originally Posted by ud2
LaSalle needs to find a new conference other than the A10. Dr. G. was actually an improvement for them.
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YIKES!
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They gave Dr. G a lot of time to get it done. It's clear at this point he wasn't able to build on the Sweet 16. With BJ Johnson and Tony Washington it seemed to me at least that things were going to worse next year.
Good move for them I think, not sure if the new guy will make them competitive but G wasn't going to get them there.
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Say what you will about Dr. G, but he sure had BG's number. All I remember is miserable losses to LaSalle in game we should've won.
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Originally Posted by frisco flyer
Say what you will about Dr. G, but he sure had BG's number. All I remember is miserable losses to LaSalle in game we should've won.
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I remember the slow down game he got Archie with.
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Originally Posted by frisco flyer
Say what you will about Dr. G, but he sure had BG's number. All I remember is miserable losses to LaSalle in game we should've won.
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and I think BG had a better record vs. LaSalle than Archie!
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Philly in general is a house of horrors for Dayton
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Attended most Lasalle games when Archie coached....it was really odd their bigs always looked amazing against us...
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A member of Kentucky media saying Chris Mack to Louisville is close to done
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Originally Posted by UDGutter2
I remember the slow down game he got Archie with.
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I was screaming at the TV start pressing or running doubles at them to speed this game up!!!
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
A member of Kentucky media saying Chris Mack to Louisville is close to done
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https://www.diehards.com/louisville/...ack-deal-close:
Mack and Louisville were scheduled to meet this weekend and it appears conversations have already advanced rapidly, with Matt Jones of Kentucky Sports Radio reporting that a deal is “close to complete.”
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Originally Posted by ud2
https://www.diehards.com/louisville/...ack-deal-close:
Mack and Louisville were scheduled to meet this weekend and it appears conversations have already advanced rapidly, with Matt Jones of Kentucky Sports Radio reporting that a deal is “close to complete.”
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I might have to start watching some ACC basketball (again) next season, to see how Coach K and Ol’ Roy react to being trash-talked by one of Chri Smack’s new gangstas at UofL.
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actually the gangsta stuff may be a bit less under "ball in face" Mack, as compared to slick Rick in his heyday......
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