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Coaching carousel 2015
It's early, but just thought I'd post this.
Three D1 jobs are already open.
Hawaii, Liberty, and Utah State.
Web page tracking all the coaching changes, at all college levels, d1, d2, d3, NAIA, and JUCO.
http://hoopdirt.com/article/76f90f70...coaching-chan/
Also, an interesting situation with the Delaware job, from hoopdirt:
http://hoopdirt.com/blog/6d901963/delaware-dirt/
Head coach Monte Ross is winding down his ninth season at UD(Delaware), and he is in the final year of his contract. According to sources close to the situation, he was offered a contract extension last spring after leading his squad to a 25-win season and an NCAA berth. I have heard that the offer was “insulting” and he turned it down. Depending on whom you talk to, he may have tried to accept it at a later date, but the school had already rescinded the offer at that time.
Anyway, Delaware is 10-19 this year, the previous school president that supported Ross' 2008 contract extension has taken another job elsewhere.
Ross is in his ninth year at Delaware, 1 NCAA, 0 NIT.
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I don't think we have to worry about those jobs, although a full-time gig in Hawaii might be nice.
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I don't think we should be worrying about any jobs. With all the amazing things happening in the program right now, why are so many people choosing to worry about the coach leaving instead of enjoying all the exciting things that are happening. This is a season of historic proportions, enjoy it while it lasts.
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What I worry about with any of those jobs is Archie loosing quality assistants who get head coaching jobs. I really think the stability of the staff during Archies tenure is a key piece of the puzzle for our success.
I do realize (almost) every coach wants to be a head coach at some point during their career and it is not realistic to think this staff will be together forever. But a few more years would be oh so nice!
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3 more d1 changes, Penn and The Citadel coaches fired, Utah Valley coach resigns.
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3 more d1 changes, Penn and The Citadel coaches fired, Utah Valley coach resigns.
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Just for clarification, it appears Penn's coach resigned. Link
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Just for clarification, it appears Penn's coach resigned. Link
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Penn..... Temple coach Fran Dunphy's former stomping grounds.
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FWIW, hoopdirt is reporting that there are "smoke signals" at both George Mason and Fordham...there could be an announcement from one of the schools as early as Thursday.
I didn't realize that the Fordham coach is apparently under pressure.
http://hoopdirt.com/blog/31ce46d1/daily-dirt-3-9-15/
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Originally Posted by ud2
FWIW, hoopdirt is reporting that there are "smoke signals" at both George Mason and Fordham...there could be an announcement from one of the schools as early as Thursday.
I didn't realize that the Fordham coach is apparently under pressure.
http://hoopdirt.com/blog/31ce46d1/daily-dirt-3-9-15/
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Good. Both schools need/deserve a better coach. How refreshing it is NOT to hear our Commish butting in to say what wonderful guys these two coaches are and how they deserve more time, ala Bernadette's predecessor.
I too am surprised at Pecora being on the hot seat. I thought he had another year or two to fester. But he's had some time to make things point upwards at Fordham and hasn't done very much at all, IMO. Aside from a top recruit now and then, his teams are basement material year in and year out.
Mason is a basket case. Given their resources they should get a top level, bright young assistant who can recruit and coach. The sky is the limit at Mason, as has been shown in the recent past. They have the facilities. Now they need a coach.
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I doubt that they will pull the trigger on either of those guys.
Pecora had FU playing pretty good at the end of the year, and they have a good core of young players. IMHO, for a school that appears to not want to spend big bucks on basketball, they will likely stay status quo.
And in Mason's case, they will not want to pay the big bucks to get rid of the current coach. Can do that in a year or two. They are also young and have some talent. A couple of good recruits could raise them to respectability.
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I live in NJ and have Fordham friends. Have been to Fordham v. UD games at the old arena at Rose Hill. I am surprised that the program has not picked up much more under Pecora who has a good track record and recruiting history in the NYC, Long Island, CT areas. From friends who attend more games, I have heard that there has been criticism of his in-game coaching, player changes, clock management and lack of adjustments. However, you can only work with the players you have. While it would be great for FU and the A10 to have a strong entry in the NYC area (and that was the point of having FU in the A10 in the first place), our schedule is tough enough and every front door needs a door mat!!!
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...there has been criticism of his in-game coaching, player changes, clock management and lack of adjustments...
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I think if Fordham brought a coach in for a couple of years who could get some defensive buy-in, they could be a mid-to-upper tier team in the A10 for 2 years. They have really good players.
Then if that coach could also recruit, that would be something.
But Fordham just isn't in the market for that kind of coach unless they stumble into it, so I'm not holding my breath.
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Originally Posted by TerryK_67
I doubt that they will pull the trigger on either of those guys.
Pecora had FU playing pretty good at the end of the year, and they have a good core of young players. IMHO, for a school that appears to not want to spend big bucks on basketball, they will likely stay status quo.
And in Mason's case, they will not want to pay the big bucks to get rid of the current coach. Can do that in a year or two. They are also young and have some talent. A couple of good recruits could raise them to respectability.
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Pecora is one of the higher paid coaches in the A-10. Unfortunately, going to a Fordham game at Rose Hill is a step down from your average high school game experience.
http://nypost.com/2010/03/24/hofstra...ketball-coach/
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Sounds like BG will be back next year...his buyout is $2.4 million if he is fired this year right now. I am very, very surprised that they gave him that sort of contract.
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GT is still pay off 3 other coaches too, I just read. Big mess down there
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Talk on the local stations here is Barnes is in trouble if UT doesn't make the tournament, at the start of last season he was in big trouble until they had a surprising season, this season the expectations were so high with everybody coming back, early on they played great at Kentucky. Big XII season was a HUGE disappointment
If UT does become open, this is a job I'd be worried about in regards to keeping Archie, they have more money than God, a good facility in terms of the Erwin Center and a new place to come on line in the next 5-7 years with the new med school taking the land the Erwin Center is on, this IS a football school so there will be no Dukeish pressure, plus its Austin and with the exception of the traffic and sky high rents its a great place to be
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Sounds like BG will be back next year...his buyout is $2.4 million if he is fired this year right now. I am very, very surprised that they gave him that sort of contract.
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I would guess most schools in the top conferences pay coaches 7 figures and since the buyout is usually tied in to the amount they would have been paid over the life of the remaining contract, 2.5 million for 3 years remaining seems about right - They are also still paying off Hewitt's $7.2 million buyout!
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Originally Posted by rasta man
Talk on the local stations here is Barnes is in trouble if UT doesn't make the tournament, at the start of last season he was in big trouble until they had a surprising season, this season the expectations were so high with everybody coming back, early on they played great at Kentucky. Big XII season was a HUGE disappointment
If UT does become open, this is a job I'd be worried about in regards to keeping Archie, they have more money than God, a good facility in terms of the Erwin Center and a new place to come on line in the next 5-7 years with the new med school taking the land the Erwin Center is on, this IS a football school so there will be no Dukeish pressure, plus its Austin and with the exception of the traffic and sky high rents its a great place to be
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Amen to your post. Barnes can recruit talent, but they play like they have no coach. Cannot believe they give him another year unless he runs to the final 16. Austin area is an exceptional town, and not what most people would expect in the middle of Texas. They and Ohio State have the most money, and will pay what it takes. Texas could take a very good coach from another good program, which will leave an appealing open job.
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Originally Posted by jack72
Amen to your post. Barnes can recruit talent, but they play like they have no coach. Cannot believe they give him another year unless he runs to the final 16. Austin area is an exceptional town, and not what most people would expect in the middle of Texas. They and Ohio State have the most money, and will pay what it takes. Texas could take a very good coach from another good program, which will leave an appealing open job.
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Whenever I hear a local complain about him, I'll make sure to chime in about how great of a coach Barnes is, and he just needs another 5 years or so.
Really, though, I don't hear people talk about UT basketball much. It's mainly football.
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We will see but I don't think Archie is a Texas kind of guy.
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We will see but I don't think Archie is a Texas kind of guy.
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But it would get him closer to Tucson. I know it is still a 12 hour drive, but it is a much shorter flight than from the midwest. Their parents are now at retirement age and they could just move out west and be a short flight from seeing all the grandkids.
I really believe that Archie will be coaching one of 3 places next year: Dayton, IU, or UT.
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Thought this was interesting regarding BG, there are conflicting reports.
I erroneously assumed that the $2.4 million buyout would deter GT from firing BG.
It's been reported that Georgia Tech fired Brian Gregory before the team left for the ACC Tournament:
https://georgiatech.rivals.com/barri...sp&cid=1745255
http://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4637
Georgia Tech head coach Brian Gregory has coached his final game as the Yellow Jackets' basketball coach. Gregory's Jackets' 66-65 last minute collapse to Boston College in the ACC Tournament was a final blow to an already sinking ship. Win or lose, Gregory's fate was already determined prior to the team leaving for Greensboro.
Sources confirmed with Jacketsonline that current Yellow Jacket athletic director Mike Bobinski will dismiss Gregory in the next week or so.
However, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that BG has not been fired:
http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/colle...#__federated=1
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Sean was probably not an Arizona kind of guy.
Austin and Dallas are way different than the rest of Texas.
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Sean Miller was probably not an Arizona kind of guy.
Austin and Dallas are way different than the rest of Texas, especially Austin.
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I have spent a fair amount of time in the Dallas - FT Worth area over the last few years (2 of my 5 children live there) and every driveway is "branded" with either a UT logo or an A & M logo; and they are all clueless that they actually have a basketball team. My son that lives there thought that Columbus and tOSU was the most football rabid community in the world. But he says it is not even close.... Texas is way more football centric. I just can't see a basketball guy like Archie ever going to a place where basketball is just a way to pass the time between football seasons.
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That's a good move - I like that OP's career will likely end this way rather than being fired
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However, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that BG has not been fired:
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Another report says that BG and the AD met Friday and a decision will be made next week
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I think that would be a very good move for him... come back to the midwest
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I guess it's better to resign than get fired, but I hoped that he'd be able to turn-around the DePaul situation. Donoher & Meyer always had a good relationship, and DePaul was out only real friend back in the GMW days, so I had hoped that OP could bring them back the way he brought us back 20 years ago. Guess it just wasn't meant to be.
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I think that would be a very good move for him... come back to the midwest
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His style definitely "plays" better in the midwest, but if he doesn't adapt some of his methods, he'll always have a "ceiling" that's below what he stated his goals were when he started here back in 2003.
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Well, I was wrong about OP, I thought that they would bring him back, they had some good wins this year, but they had a very poor finish to the season, I guess the good wins couldn't outweigh the poor finish.
He was getting paid around $2 million per year, DePaul is a tough job IMO...poor fan support, seems to take a back seat to pro sports in Chicago, even their new arena apparently isn't going to be that close to campus so no real improvement there I guess.
I would have given him another year, what is one more year of losing, under a worst case scenario, when you have already struggled for this long before OP got there? I thought they were on the right track.
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BG to DePaul makes a lot of sense. BG is about as good as DePaul can get and DePaul is as good as BG can get. It's not like some up and coming coach would go to DePaul to kill his career. Although, Ben Howland seems pretty desperate to get back into coaching and he is probably a slight upgrade over BG.
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I liked OP and thought it was a smart decision by UD to hire an experienced coach with a winning record and background as OP had at Old Dominion. He turned our program around and put it on the right road. But hasn't OP always gotten out before something happened to him - UD, Clemson and now DePaul. I don't think he "resigned" as much it was a negotiated firing.
If my future came down to "Another report says that BG and the AD met Friday and a decision will be made next week" - I would seriously be concerned that my head coach position was over. If you have to think about whether you want to retain me, that tells me what I need to know. Problem at GT may be that, I think they are still paying off Paul Hewitt, and may not want to be paying off two ex-head coaches at the same time.
I don't know why but I always thought that BG was eventually going to end at DePaul. I thought GT was out of his geographical element and experience. His roots, history and experience are Midwestern. His recruiting for us was Midwestern and he seemed to open up the Detroit and other areas for us. He was the "hot assistant" at MSU. He does have a lot of energy and I think he would be welcomed in Chicago and it would be a good fit for him. What would he have to lose - program in the pits, new arena and only way is up. Improve that program and you would have a job for life. Ray Meyer returns.
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BG can recruit and is weak coaching. OP is a great coach, but struggles recruiting. The successful guys can do both.
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This is an unusual and messy situation.
I have no idea what Bobinski will do.
Even if GT wanted to fire BG, I don't know if they can afford it.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...hewitts-buyout
Hewitt was fired, and they are paying him $7 million for the six years that remained on his contract. $1.3 million per year is being paid to Hewitt. This year was year #4, they are paying him until 2016-17.
From the comments section:
http://yellowjackedup.com/2015/03/14...eeting-friday/
The decision may not be as financial as thought. The FY 14 GTAA Annual Report states the GTAA lost only $348,000. It also says approx $5 million in new annual revenue from the ACC begins FY 15. On the surface, it appears the money is there for a buyout & new staff. But does Bobinski really want GT to be known as (probably) the first school to ever pay 3 head coaches for 1 BB team?
You figure the next coach will get at least $1 mil per year, that's $4.7 mil for next year, 1.3+2.4+1.
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Without the perfect replacement, there's no need to get rid of BG...to do so only extends the misery.
Another rumor out of C-bus has Matta stepping down soon (maybe this season...maybe next?) due to health reasons...he's had 5 back surgeries and is a physical mess. Who would they go after??
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Howland was mentioned in connection with some jobs last year, I thought I read that he could have had the Oregon State job last year if he wanted it.
He has a very good resume, seems like he would be a good coach for somebody.
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Anthony Grant has been fired at Alabama.
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Matta on his way out...?
I have an uncle whose family are big boosters for OSU and there are lots of rumblings about Matta; the OSU contingent are not pleased with him even though he had success early on. In addition, idk if anyone else caught the presser after OSU lost to MSU but Matta referred to himself as "disabled" and that he has been struggling overcoming pain in his back. That sounds a little telling... for a coach to use a term like "disabling" that doesn't come off very positive at all.
I know how everyone hates "speculation" and pot stirring, but just adding my 2 cents and perspective from info I'm getting from someone in the know... I wouldn't be surprised if Matta is gone after next season. A lot may hinge on what DeAngelo does this offseason, too. I think OSU would be a very attractive opportunity for a LOT of coaches. They may be a football school but they have big boy funding and facilities. I would be curious as to who they would target.
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Originally Posted by DaytonDecibelDungeon
I have an uncle whose family are big boosters for OSU and there are lots of rumblings about Matta; the OSU contingent are not pleased with him even though he had success early on. In addition, idk if anyone else caught the presser after OSU lost to MSU but Matta referred to himself as "disabled" and that he has been struggling overcoming pain in his back. That sounds a little telling... for a coach to use a term like "disabling" that doesn't come off very positive at all.
I know how everyone hates "speculation" and pot stirring, but just adding my 2 cents and perspective from info I'm getting from someone in the know... I wouldn't be surprised if Matta is gone after next season. A lot may hinge on what DeAngelo does this offseason, too. I think OSU would be a very attractive opportunity for a LOT of coaches. They may be a football school but they have big boy funding and facilities. I would be curious as to who they would target.
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In my opinion, tOSU has been an extremely underachieving team. For all the talent they get, they are really a quite mediocre team. In many ways they are like a lot of Big 10 and SEC teams - world class athletes who cannot hit a 15 foot jump shot.
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Originally Posted by DaytonDecibelDungeon
I have an uncle whose family are big boosters for OSU and there are lots of rumblings about Matta; the OSU contingent are not pleased with him even though he had success early on. In addition, idk if anyone else caught the presser after OSU lost to MSU but Matta referred to himself as "disabled" and that he has been struggling overcoming pain in his back. That sounds a little telling... for a coach to use a term like "disabling" that doesn't come off very positive at all.
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Did you not see this from yesterday??? In all seriousness, it's only a matta of time until Thad retires...
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Another rumor out of C-bus has Matta stepping down soon (maybe this season...maybe next?) due to health reasons...he's had 5 back surgeries and is a physical mess. Who would they go after??
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Did you not see this from yesterday??? In all seriousness, it's only a matta of time until Thad retires...
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lol sorry, clearly missed it but hey... look at it this way, your royal statement has been validated - not that it needs to be re-affirmed to begin with
I would have to think Archie and Shaka would both be high on their list.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Anthony Grant coming back to UD as a recruiter or consultant. You just can't get much enthusiasm for basketball in Alabama.
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Paul Hewitt fired by George Mason this morning - he did not meet their "high expectations" for this team. I am not sure if there is a third Hurley brother out there or not.
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If I were Mason I would make a call to Anthony Grant. He did well for fellow brethren VCU.
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Originally Posted by DaytonDecibelDungeon
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Couple more...
Dave Grier out at San Diego.
Dave Bezold out at Northern Kentucky University after 11 years as hc there.
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Georgia Tech can't afford to get rid of BG. They're in a bad spot after the Hewitt fiasco.
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A little more on the BG situation...I thought GT only had 2 years and about $2.6 million left to pay Hewitt, but I am apparently wrong about that:
http://hoopdirt.com/blog/5a2a5543/gr...-georgia-tech/
Gregory safe at Georgia Tech
Posted by The DirtKing on Monday, March 16, 2015 at 8:08pm.
According to multiple reports, Georgia Tech head coach Brian Gregory will return next season. There has been a lot of speculation surrounding this one - Gregory's squad went 3-15 in the ACC this season, and he holds a 55-71 in his four seasons at Tech.
Georgia Tech is still on the hook for four more years ($3.6m) to former head coach Paul Hewitt. It is speculated that buying out Gregory would have cost as much as $2.4m.
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"Offense can't be something we do between defensive possessions," Bobinski said. "We were too easy to guard this year. We had too much purposeless dribbling. There's no need to sugarcoat anything -- we know where we are and what we have to do better."
Did they not watch tape of UD's offense prior to hiring Gregory?
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"Offense can't be something we do between defensive possessions," Bobinski said. "We were too easy to guard this year. We had too much purposeless dribbling. There's no need to sugarcoat anything -- we know where we are and what we have to do better."
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In my opinion, tOSU has been an extremely underachieving team. For all the talent they get, they are really a quite mediocre team. In many ways they are like a lot of Big 10 and SEC teams - world class athletes who cannot hit a 15 foot jump shot.
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not really sure where to put this, but found it an interesting read on Gregg Marshall and WSU..
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...marshalls-plan
I'm not sure how much that applies to Archie and his goals/driving forces, but some of it no doubt applies to UD which is similarly situated to WSU. At any rate, its still a good read on 1 man and his viewpoints of changing coaching jobs.
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I agree, Matta seems to be a much better recruiter than a floor coach. How upset are the Ohio based OSU fans, who have watched their team slip to maybe the fourth best team in the state?
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I have always felt like rat face has underachieved with the talent he had, with this year being a perfect example.
Here is an interesting tidbit from Bob Baptist article this mornng's Dispatch. THE OSU had zero sell outs this year.....
"Ohio State fell short of selling out Value City Arena for a game this season, but it still can afford to cover its losses. Government filings published by ESPN sports business reporter Darren Rovell show that, of the programs in the NCAA tournament this year, the Buckeyes were the third-most-profitable last season. The program generated a $15.3 million profit in 2013-14, behind only Louisville ($24.2 million) and Arizona ($17.7 million). Surprisingly, Kentucky wasn’t among the top 10."
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I think Matta has a hard time developing chemistry on his teams. He has some really talented players but often times they seem disinterested and disconnected. Traditionally plays his top 6, 7, 8 guys and nobody else sniffs the court. This year may be a bit different. Guys leave (the Ohio State transfer) and new guys some in. Hard to develop a True Team in that environment.
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A thought went through my head after the selection committee put the three bubble teams savely in the field. The committee just saved 3 coaches jobs, (Indianna, UCLA, Texas) all were on the hot seat. Now that they were given new life lets see how far they go in the tourney.
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Hal McCoy is reporting that Alabama is after Archie. And so it begins.....
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I haven't read all through these messages . . . but how's this for a scenario. Assuming Archie gets a "big-time" offer and says so long . . . what about Anthony Grant coming back to Dayton?
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Think you meant Alabama.
Frankly, if you see the article on Marshall, there are plenty of reasons why Archie should never touch that job (although million$$$$$ of reasons it could be attractive).
Basketball will always be 4th banana down there, behind Football, the football signing day/recruiting process and spring football. They've had a couple of good runs, but there are a ton of head winds to face.
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Think you meant Alabama.
Frankly, if you see the article on Marshall, there are plenty of reasons why Archie should never touch that job (although million$$$$$ of reasons it could be attractive).
Basketball will always be 4th banana down there, behind Football, the football signing day/recruiting process and spring football. They've had a couple of good runs, but there are a ton of head winds to face.
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Yes, I did mean Ala. thanks for pointing that out, I fixed it. I doubt he would take it, but Hal's article is the first I have heard anything about a school coming after Archie. Hal is a very good journalist so I would love to know where he is hearing about that.
True about how hoops ranks down there. At Alabama, they follow both sports, football AND spring football.
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I haven't read all through these messages . . . but how's this for a scenario. Assuming Archie gets a "big-time" offer and says so long . . . what about Anthony Grant coming back to Dayton?
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I think he should be on the AD's list of possible replacements for when/if Archie ever leaves. I'd also throw in a couple of Archie's current assistants, Ben Howland could be intriguing, even though he's primarily a west coast guy, he did wonders at Pitt before heading back west to UCLA.
But one name I never seen thrown around that has been in the back of my head is Damon Goodwin. Obviously a former Flyer, but he's had a pretty good run at Capital for a number of years, including multiple trips to their tournament. While he's not nearly had the success that Jim Tressel did at Youngstown State, it would be a similar type hire on the basketball side, lower division coach with good success w/n the state getting a marque job in the same state. I assume he's well connected w/n the state in terms of recruiting, though obviously lower level kids, he should know most of the HS coaches and AAU coaches pretty well. Probably doesn't hurt that his youngest son is already being recruit by a lot of elite programs, don't know if he'd want to follow his dad to UD, but I suppose there's a chance. I have no idea if Goodwin would be the "right choice" or even amongst the right choices, nor do I know if he has any desire to leave what he's built up in Columbus, but I think it would be worth looking into if UD is forced to hire a new coach in the next 4 seasons.
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I think someone posted recently on this forum or on the A10 forum a really good statement about hiring alumni. The question the AD needs to ask, "Would this coach be on my short-list if they were not an alumni of the university?" If the answer is No, then it means UD could be making a poor choice. I don't know enough about Grant and Goodwin's records to know if they would be good hires. Would they be viable candidates if it wasn't for their UD affiliation?
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I think Matta has a hard time developing chemistry on his teams. He has some really talented players but often times they seem disinterested and disconnected. Traditionally plays his top 6, 7, 8 guys and nobody else sniffs the court. This year may be a bit different. Guys leave (the Ohio State transfer) and new guys some in. Hard to develop a True Team in that environment.
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Agreed. They are one of the hardest and most boring teams to watch for me. Disinterested and disconnected is a good way to put it. It seems like their players change from year to year and are almost interchangeable.
Like Jordan Sibert said (paraphrasing): At Ohio State you feel like you're just a number, not an individual.
And then the big "Value City" logos on their home floor...could it get any more corporate-tacky?
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I would bring Damon Goodwin in if he brought along Dane. We can call it "McDermotting".
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When the time comes (hopefully years away) to hire a new coach I don't think we should consider anyone who was fired from their last job for not meeting expectations no matter how hard the job was. Only want coaches whose most recent experiences have been winning
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I think someone posted recently on this forum or on the A10 forum a really good statement about hiring alumni. The question the AD needs to ask, "Would this coach be on my short-list if they were not an alumni of the university?" If the answer is No, then it means UD could be making a poor choice. I don't know enough about Grant and Goodwin's records to know if they would be good hires. Would they be viable candidates if it wasn't for their UD affiliation?
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I think that is an excellent point. In Grant's case, he had good success at VCU, but how much of his success should be attributed to Jeff Capel's 4 year run prior? At Bama he was just OK, how much of that is a product of just OK fan support and facilities? He was instrumental to Donavon's great teams down at Florida and Marshall, I believe he was their lead recruiter. He spent something like a dozen season's with Donavon b/w Marshall & Florida, so he's certainly put in his dues. Would UD look at him w/o his UD ties, probably not considering he was just OK at Bama and UD and other similar schools have been the landing spot for the coach on the rise from the low majors or the hot, long time assistant at a major program, not a guy looking to regain his footing, but that doesn't mean that may not be the best route the next time UD has to find a new coach. As a UD alum, he's certainly has the credentials, now you just have to see if its the right fit, or even the best fit.
Goodwin is on the other end of the spectrum, long time head coach in the lower divisions. Take UD and Goodwin out of the equation, he's the type of coach that I think more schools on UD's level and below should look at. I don't think I'd consider him he was based in another state, but as a long time coach w/n the same state, it stands to reason that the hardest transition, recruiting, would be made much easier by likely having a good relationship with many high school and AAU programs based w/n the state. Show me a coach with a similar career at Wooster, Denison or any other of Ohio's many D2 & D3 basketball programs and I think you'll find someone that should at least be thought about in the AD offices of Dayton, Miami, Bowling Green, etc. That doesn't mean that they're going to be the right candidates, and my guess is that Damon has been contacted by other schools, but he may be like Mike Kelly, some people recognize the grind that comes at the higher reaches of D1 and the extra money isn't worth the time away from family, travel and additional recruiting that has to be put in.
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Capital has been up and down ... this year just 8 - 18. Although Goodwin has had a few pretty good teams, I think most years they are mediocre. He has been there 21 years, so if those in the know saw a big time coaching talent he would have likely moved up. But I have no real knowledge of the situation.
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Originally Posted by TerryK_67
Capital has been up and down ... this year just 8 - 18. Although Goodwin has had a few pretty good teams, I think most years they are mediocre. He has been there 21 years, so if those in the know saw a big time coaching talent he would have likely moved up. But I have no real knowledge of the situation.
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Damon's record at Capital in 21 seasons is 343-219, for a winning % of @ 61%. Not exactly "mediocre", but not quite at the level we should be demanding from a program that gets the level of support that UD's program gets.
My summary - nice guy; good D-III coach. Could struggle mightily at the mid/high D-I level.
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When the time comes (hopefully years away) to hire a new coach I don't think we should consider anyone who was fired from their last job for not meeting expectations no matter how hard the job was. Only want coaches whose most recent experiences have been winning
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Goodwin's son already gave a verbal to OSU.
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Originally Posted by moville
I haven't read all through these messages . . . but how's this for a scenario. Assuming Archie gets a "big-time" offer and says so long . . . what about Anthony Grant coming back to Dayton?
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Alabama has about the same chance of landing Urban Meyer as they do of landing Archie.
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Goodwin's son already gave a verbal to OSU.
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Verbals are as solid as the paper they're written on.
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article on Gregg Marshall
"My mentor used to always say, 'Coach where you're loved,'" Marshall said. "He got a lot of satisfaction out of walking down the street when people would say, 'There's the coach' or 'He's a great coach.' He always got a lot of satisfaction out of that kind of stuff."
"And I'm assuming you feel loved in Wichita?" I asked Marshall.
"Oh yeah," he answered without hesitation. "I do."
Marshall's mentor, by the way, is John Kresse, and if the goal is to understand Marshall even a little it's important to familiarize yourself with Kresse' story. Kresse retired in 2002 after 23 seasons at Charleston during which he compiled a record of 560-143. He owns the fifth-highest winning percentage among all Division I men's basketball coaches and is an iconic figure in the place where he flourished professionally, and what you realize after spending time with Marshall, regardless of whether Marshall realizes it or not, is that the things that mattered to Kresse are, for the most part, the exact same things that now matter to Marshall.
Kresse liked being loved; so does Marshall. Kresse craved a place where what he did resonated uniquely; so does Marshall. Kresse was forever hesitant to mess with happiness -- as is Marshall, which is why he's only changed jobs once in 17 years."
"Will he ultimately leave?
That's the question Marshall gets asked more than any other. And the refreshing thing is that he's not one of the countless coaches who gives a non-answer while suggesting -- but hardly guaranteeing -- he'll retire at his current school. Simply put, Marshall has no idea what the future holds, and he admits as much. All he promises is that he'll never leave simply for money, never leave for a middle-of-the-pack power-conference job and never leave without considering everything a man considering relocating his family ought to consider."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...marshalls-plan
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