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Actually, he's a high school kid.
The only info I can find is a 6'3" SR all state forward named Joshua Young.
If that's him, I'm not so interested in a 6'3" forward unless he has a lot of growing left in him.
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thought you were referring to Joseph Young wjho left Houston after last season and went to Oregon
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thought you were referring to Joseph Young wjho left Houston after last season and went to Oregon
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So, here's my question. If UD goes deeper in the NCAA tournament than OSU does over the next 2 years, which is possible, do you think Dane Goodwin might change his mind on where to play?
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass
thought you were referring to Joseph Young wjho left Houston after last season and went to Oregon
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Joe Young played two years at Oregon. It appears he did not sit out a year. He is from Houston, so how did he get a hardship waiver?
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I think this may have been the kid whose dad was on staff but got fired. If that happens, you can leave and don't have to sit.
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I think this may have been the kid whose dad was on staff but got fired. If that happens, you can leave and don't have to sit.
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His dad is Michael Young (member of Phi Slama Jama) and was on the Houston staff before being let go when Sampson took the job.
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He played with KP in high school
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Alright, here's a name that might look familiar which is surfacing now as a result of the Donnie Tyndall fallout:
@jeffborzello: Tennessee freshman Tariq Owens will explore his options for a potential transfer, sources told ESPN. Signed with Tyndall last spring.
Tariq, was the top signee at Ohio U, who ended up committing to Donnie Tyndall at Tennessee when he was released from his NLI following the coaching change at OU. Dayton along with Temple and Seton Hall were the schools he was interested in at that time.
See: http://knoxblogs.com/fastbreak/2014/...sit-vols-week/
Being that the kid is from the Baltimore area I was curious to know if he'd played at all with John Crosby. And wouldn't you know, he has!
https://twitter.com/marcushelton/sta...54265094909952
Whether or not we want him now (hasn't done much at Tennessee) is a good question, but a year sitting out and working with trainers to put on strength might do him some good. Was a very highly regarded prospect. And he is 6' 10."
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Tennessee fans on twitter pointing out that Owens needs to put on weight/muscle. Favorite comment - "he needs to transfer to Golden Corral"
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Tennessee fans on twitter pointing out that Owens needs to put on weight/muscle. Favorite comment - "he needs to transfer to Golden Corral"
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We already have Landers committed in 2016 so I would still like to see Miller recruit 2016 kids with the momentum we deveoped this yr. Plus ohio is loaded in the class of 2016
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I agree that there is a lot of positive momentum right now and I would like to take advantage of it. Archie will probably need to feel that an incoming transfer is better than a player he can sign out of high school
I'll bet Archie and his staff are really busy evaluating a list of potential recruits.
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Originally Posted by Atlantic 10
Archie and Griff are at the Wayne game in Columbus now
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You can listen to the game here:
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Archie and Griff are at the Wayne game in Columbus now
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Maybe keeping tabs on X-Man while scouting/courting Funderburk?
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Nothing really new, but this is from an article in this am's DDN. Jablonski says that the coaches will begin recruiting Monday (tomorrow), that Bobby Wherli will "probably go back to walk-on status", but there's a chance he may get another scholarship if the 2 spots aren't filled. Miller said "If we can add, we'll add. It would have to be the right guys. If we don't , we don't."
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Isn't Trice a senior at Wayne? I have heard from others that he is not a "D-1 talent." However, he surely has had some nice games in the tournament.
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Isn't Trice a senior at Wayne? I have heard from others that he is not a "D-1 talent." However, he surely has had some nice games in the tournament.
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HE looked as good as anyone last night
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Heard the same kinda' thing about Norris Cole's at this juncture in his senior year!
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Isn't Trice a senior at Wayne? I have heard from others that he is not a "D-1 talent." However, he surely has had some nice games in the tournament.
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HE looked as good as anyone last night
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Heard the same kinda' thing about Norris Cole's at this juncture in his senior year!
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Trice is 5'8 on a good night. He will be a good DII player or Horizon League player.
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Trice is 5'8 on a good night. He will be a good DII player or Horizon League player.
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He isn't 5'8". Close to 6'0" played QB.
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This conversation sounds familiar. What happened to the kid last year who was like 6'2" and played forward at some Dayton area school and scored a bunch of points? There was a thread pushing hard for UD to give him a scholly.
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Last time I checked the Horizon is DI.
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This conversation sounds familiar. What happened to the kid last year who was like 6'2" and played forward at some Dayton area school and scored a bunch of points? There was a thread pushing hard for UD to give him a scholly.
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Kid from Trotwood.
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I'm really not sure about the spelling of his name, but Dazhontae Bennett I think is the guy. I think he went to Missouri State but may have been a partial qualifier because I don't think he played this season.
I'll bet Archie is mostly looking at bigs, in particular 5th year transfers who could play right away, or maybe a JuCo guy. Or possibly a high level unsigned guy who might choose the Flyers late (Kipper Nichols is really good and would fit this description). Archie has said multiple times that he isn't going to take a guy just to take a guy and fill a spot. He's looking only for high level talent at this point. I don't know that much about D'Mitrick Trice, but from what I have heard, he is certainly a D-1 prospect, though not really what we need right now.
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Posted his name in the "Travis Trice" thread because his name came up there in the past couple days, but Dayton's interest in Trey Lewis from Cleveland State has been confirmed by his high school coach. Dayton has a lot of company though in pursuing Lewis.
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I think I read he is a guard and averaged 16+ a game?
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http://www.cleveland.com/sports/coll..._lewis_is.html
From Garfield Heights. Played one year at Penn State, transferred to Cleveland State and will graduate, so he will be eligible immediately and have one year.
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The first of many transfers I assume Dayton coaches will kick the tires on. As fifth year one and done guys don't affect future scholarship considerations, they're especially attractive.
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Article on Trey Lewis which mentions Dayton as an intriguing possibility. http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/...y-lewis-033015
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Jeff Goodman at ESPN.com is the unofficial "keeper of the transfers list" and yes, Detwon Rogers is on there:
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It wasn't but a couple weeks ago 2 other former Flyers were on that transfer list...
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D'Mitrik Trice. 6' 175 Lbs.
I hear he want's to play QB at an Ivy League School.
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2 or 3 on that list that interest me, but also a lot of guys who probably wouldn't see much action, whether it's next year (as a grad eligible) or a year from now. We'll see who goes where.
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Looks like Dayton is not in on Tyler Harris this time around --
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Looks like Dayton is not in on Tyler Harris this time around --
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PC transfer Tyler Harris has cut his list to Arizona, UConn, GT, Ok St, Auburn, Nebraska, Tenn, BC, UMass,+ Lasalle, source told @CBSSports
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Josh Cunningham, a 6'7" freshman at Bradley, announced he is transferring. I know we recruited him - from Chicago, I think played with Kyle Davis some. He was recruited by several bigger schools, including Iowa State, and I was surprised he ended up @ Bradley. I don't know our level of interest, but there's some ties there.
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Cunningham did play with Kyle Davis. High school teammates at Morgan Park. Super athletic and has tons of potential. Top 100 recruit nationally. Averaged 7.5 boards a game, and grabbed 21 in a single game. Sign him up!
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I think they played AAU together with Mac Irvin as well. But he was looking at schools like Indiana, Oklahoma, Iowa State, so I dunno that he's looking to head somewhere like UD. Who knows though?
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I think they played AAU together with Mac Irvin as well. But he was looking at schools like Indiana, Oklahoma, Iowa State, so I dunno that he's looking to head somewhere like UD. Who knows though?
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So Dylan Ennis from Villanova is immediately eligible and transferring for his senior season.
WHY HE'S A FIT:
Averaged nearly 10 pts, 4 boards, 4 assists a game at Nova, while shooting 41% from the floor. While I realize we have Charles Cooke coming in, Ennis gives you a more proven commodity to pick up everything Sibert did for this team.
WHY HE MIGHT NOT FIT:
Because Scoochie. "Dylan is interested in finding a program that will allow him to play the role of a traditional point guard so he can be the primary ball-handler" Source: http://www.si.com/college-basketball...duate-wildcats
Of course, you could argue that everyone at Dayton, even the bigs, get to play the role of a traditional PG...
LEAD RECRUITER SHOULD BE:
Dyshawn Pierre. Dylan and his brother Tyler (Syracuse) go way back with Dyshawn, having grown up 45 minutes apart, playing on the same AAU team (coached by Ennis' father).
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So Dylan Ennis from Villanova is immediately eligible and transferring for his senior season.
WHY HE'S A FIT:
Averaged nearly 10 pts, 4 boards, 4 assists a game at Nova, while shooting 41% from the floor. While I realize we have Charles Cooke coming in, Ennis gives you a more proven commodity to pick up everything Sibert did for this team.
WHY HE MIGHT NOT FIT:
Because Scoochie. "Dylan is interested in finding a program that will allow him to play the role of a traditional point guard so he can be the primary ball-handler" Source: http://www.si.com/college-basketball...duate-wildcats
Of course, you could argue that everyone at Dayton, even the bigs, get to play the role of a traditional PG...
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Dyshawn Pierre. Dylan and his brother Tyler (Syracuse) go way back with Dyshawn, having grown up 45 minutes apart, playing on the same AAU team (coached by Ennis' father).
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasket...ournament.html
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I'd skip on a nova player. Weren't they an early #1 seed out recently? I seem to recall reading or hearing somethin' about dat ....
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I'd skip on a nova player. Weren't they an early #1 seed out recently? I seem to recall reading or hearing somethin' about dat ....
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Kid just needs a better surrounding cast and a coach who spends a little less time admiring himself in the mirror...
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WHY HE MIGHT NOT FIT:
Because Scoochie. "Dylan is interested in finding a program that will allow him to play the role of a traditional point guard so he can be the primary ball-handler"
I would say, "Son, as a word of caution, if you find a team that is going to assure you of the job of being their primary ball-handler for next season only, most of those teams have to buy their own tickets to see the NCAA Tournament."
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I would say, "Son, as a word of caution, if you find a team that is going to assure you of the job of being their primary ball-handler for next season only, most of those teams have to buy their own tickets to see the NCAA Tournament."
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I don't know about that. I have not followed the NBA draft commits that closely. It is possible that someone is losing a pg to the NBA and needs someone to bridge them to the next one. Mark Lyons played a year at Arizona while TJ McConnell sat out his transfer year.
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Exactly why these spring/summer recruit/transfer possibilities will be interesting. Anyone you bring in can affect chemistry.
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Well, you can have great chemistry with only six scholarship players and a walk-on who earns a scholarship, because they're all getting exactly what they want -- loads of playing time -- but I don't think Archie is going to recommend that approach.
So if you're a coach with a clue, you're going to have to bring in some new players. In my opinion, a talented upperclassman would be ideal since we have a pretty nice class of incoming freshman lined up.
Keep in mind that the role that's being vacated is that of our biggest volume shooter. A guy who defenses keyed on, which helped make Kendall Pollard and Dyshawn Pierre unstoppable. So I'm more than fine with bringing in a stud senior who can score the ball. Obviously, he needs to be a good kid too. That goes without saying..
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Archie would never never bring in a kid over Scoochie unless he is a freshman, and besides few would be better than what he will be next year.
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Archie would never never bring in a kid over Scoochie unless he is a freshman, and besides few would be better than what he will be next year.
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I'll never understand this line of thinking. A coach who aspires to win national championships doesn't worry about recruiting over a kid. The goal is to get better and deeper at every position. That said, positions in Archie's offense are so interchangeable that there is less danger in what you're talking about actually happening. Archie would have no problem starting two PGs if his personnel dictated it. My favorite thing about Archie is his ability to maximize his talent by playing different styles.
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Archie would never never bring in a kid over Scoochie unless he is a freshman, and besides few would be better than what he will be next year.
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Considering the adversity, this truly was a special team. Add to that fans' proclivity to fall in love with players I understand your opinion but I don't agree.
Archie's responsibility is to win as many games as possible... ideally winning the conference and going as deep into the Tournament as possible. Like many on this board, I want us to do it with players that are representative of what we believe UD to be. If Archie can bring in a PG that accomplishes that, he should. Because of team needs, I would think he is looking at other positions. But regardless of position, Archie should be looking to upgrade every position.
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I think every coach wants as talented a roster as they can get, but one also needs to consider team chemistry. The returning players on this squad have a relationship with Scoochie and I'll assume its a good one, brining in someone who starts over him risks the potential of alienating not only Scoochie, but also some teammates, perhaps leads players to be "less than enthused" about practice or game plans, perhaps leads players to buy into something other than the "true team" philosophy.
Its kind of a mute point in regards to Scoochie, I doubt there is any potential 5th year senior transfer or uncommitted HS/Juco kid that would both commit to UD and would also be better than what myself, Archie and Scoochie all think Scoochie is capable of providing next season. Now throw on top of that the addition of Crosby next year, a 5th year prep school player, as well as the return of D.Davis and my guess is that Archie thinks he has the PG minutes pretty well covered next season.
But, I think you could easily slide the conversation to any other spot on the floor. Archie's biggest challenge next season will be taking the 5 returning players, all of whom played Starters minutes this season and convincing them that they will play something less of a role next season. Now for some, I think that's an easy sell, Scoochie could certainly use a few less minutes to save his legs while still getting to run the show, but does Archie want to insert a little more size into the lineup and run out Steve, Miller, or potentially some transfer/juco signee at the 5 spot? If he does, does he want to move Pollard down to the 4, and Pierre out to the 3, or does he want to bring Pollard off the bench? If he moves Pierre out to the 3, does he start someone other than Kyle Davis at the 2 to provide more 3 point capability into the starting lineup? Perhaps Archie's plan on paper is to go with the same starting 4, move Cooke or Davis into the Siberts role and let the frosh round out the bench along with DDavis/Cooke, but what if one of the incoming frosh proves that they belong on the floor more than Archie thought was possible? As unique a situation as Archie had last season, he's got an equally unique situation this season in convincing guys to play less minutes or different roles for the good of the team. Most guy expect to increase their roles on the team as they progress from a frosh to a senior, pretty much everyone is going to be playing a few less minutes at a minimum and there will likely be one or two that player significantly less minutes or a lesser role than they did this season.
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Considering the adversity, this truly was a special team. Add to that fans' proclivity to fall in love with players I understand your opinion but I don't agree.
Archie's responsibility is to win as many games as possible... ideally winning the conference and going as deep into the Tournament as possible. Like many on this board, I want us to do it with players that are representative of what we believe UD to be. If Archie can bring in a PG that accomplishes that, he should. Because of team needs, I would think he is looking at other positions. But regardless of position, Archie should be looking to upgrade every position.
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But Archie is smart enough to know that things have to fit together correctly - team chemistry. If he brings in someone, he has to make sure he can get everyone to buy in to the reasons and what will be accomplished.
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I think every coach wants as talented a roster as they can get, but one also needs to consider team chemistry. The returning players on this squad have a relationship with Scoochie and I'll assume its a good one, brining in someone who starts over him risks the potential of alienating not only Scoochie, but also some teammates, perhaps leads players to be "less than enthused" about practice or game plans, perhaps leads players to buy into something other than the "true team" philosophy.
Its kind of a mute point in regards to Scoochie, I doubt there is any potential 5th year senior transfer or uncommitted HS/Juco kid that would both commit to UD and would also be better than what myself, Archie and Scoochie all think Scoochie is capable of providing next season. Now throw on top of that the addition of Crosby next year, a 5th year prep school player, as well as the return of D.Davis and my guess is that Archie thinks he has the PG minutes pretty well covered next season.
But, I think you could easily slide the conversation to any other spot on the floor. Archie's biggest challenge next season will be taking the 5 returning players, all of whom played Starters minutes this season and convincing them that they will play something less of a role next season. Now for some, I think that's an easy sell, Scoochie could certainly use a few less minutes to save his legs while still getting to run the show, but does Archie want to insert a little more size into the lineup and run out Steve, Miller, or potentially some transfer/juco signee at the 5 spot? If he does, does he want to move Pollard down to the 4, and Pierre out to the 3, or does he want to bring Pollard off the bench? If he moves Pierre out to the 3, does he start someone other than Kyle Davis at the 2 to provide more 3 point capability into the starting lineup? Perhaps Archie's plan on paper is to go with the same starting 4, move Cooke or Davis into the Siberts role and let the frosh round out the bench along with DDavis/Cooke, but what if one of the incoming frosh proves that they belong on the floor more than Archie thought was possible? As unique a situation as Archie had last season, he's got an equally unique situation this season in convincing guys to play less minutes or different roles for the good of the team. Most guy expect to increase their roles on the team as they progress from a frosh to a senior, pretty much everyone is going to be playing a few less minutes at a minimum and there will likely be one or two that player significantly less minutes or a lesser role than they did this season.
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Scoochie and Archie tried to bring Hallice Cook aboard last year - who is a PG, possible NBA talent, and friend of Scooch's. The idea was both guys could play at the same time. I honestly think Dayton could and would add at any position, even PG where they appear set, in the case of a true stud. Because Archie will find a way to use that guy. Scoochie has nothing to worry about, and judging from his willingness last year to actively recruit another PG, he's not worried. Kid just wants to win.
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Originally Posted by Medford
I think every coach wants as talented a roster as they can get, but one also needs to consider team chemistry. The returning players on this squad have a relationship with Scoochie and I'll assume its a good one, brining in someone who starts over him risks the potential of alienating not only Scoochie, but also some teammates, perhaps leads players to be "less than enthused" about practice or game plans, perhaps leads players to buy into something other than the "true team" philosophy.
Its kind of a mute point in regards to Scoochie, I doubt there is any potential 5th year senior transfer or uncommitted HS/Juco kid that would both commit to UD and would also be better than what myself, Archie and Scoochie all think Scoochie is capable of providing next season. Now throw on top of that the addition of Crosby next year, a 5th year prep school player, as well as the return of D.Davis and my guess is that Archie thinks he has the PG minutes pretty well covered next season.
But, I think you could easily slide the conversation to any other spot on the floor. Archie's biggest challenge next season will be taking the 5 returning players, all of whom played Starters minutes this season and convincing them that they will play something less of a role next season. Now for some, I think that's an easy sell, Scoochie could certainly use a few less minutes to save his legs while still getting to run the show, but does Archie want to insert a little more size into the lineup and run out Steve, Miller, or potentially some transfer/juco signee at the 5 spot? If he does, does he want to move Pollard down to the 4, and Pierre out to the 3, or does he want to bring Pollard off the bench? If he moves Pierre out to the 3, does he start someone other than Kyle Davis at the 2 to provide more 3 point capability into the starting lineup? Perhaps Archie's plan on paper is to go with the same starting 4, move Cooke or Davis into the Siberts role and let the frosh round out the bench along with DDavis/Cooke, but what if one of the incoming frosh proves that they belong on the floor more than Archie thought was possible? As unique a situation as Archie had last season, he's got an equally unique situation this season in convincing guys to play less minutes or different roles for the good of the team. Most guy expect to increase their roles on the team as they progress from a frosh to a senior, pretty much everyone is going to be playing a few less minutes at a minimum and there will likely be one or two that player significantly less minutes or a lesser role than they did this season.
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But Archie is smart enough to know that things have to fit together correctly - team chemistry. If he brings in someone, he has to make sure he can get everyone to buy in to the reasons and what will be accomplished.
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If the team truly believes in the TRUE TEAM mantra and Archie's system then this shouldn't be a problem. If it is a problem, then the players do not believe in TRUE TEAM and and the sacrifice that Archie preaches.
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Scoochie and Archie tried to bring Hallice Cook aboard last year - who is a PG, possible NBA talent, and friend of Scooch's. The idea was both guys could play at the same time. I honestly think Dayton could and would add at any position, even PG where they appear set, in the case of a true stud. Because Archie will find a way to use that guy. Scoochie has nothing to worry about, and judging from his willingness last year to actively recruit another PG, he's not worried. Kid just wants to win.
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True, but that was after Khari transferred (or perhaps before, but I'm sure the coaching staff knew he was moving on), so sharing duties 2 years down the line isn't a huge problem. Plus Schoochie already had a relationship with the kid. Scoochie is now established as one of, if not the best PG in the A10, I doubt a senior transfer he doesn't know is going to be well received. Last off season, they clearly needed another PG on the roster. This offseason, with the addition of Crosby, and the development of Scooch, they appear to be well positioned for at least 2 more seasons, hopefully beyond. Remember, Crosby turned down an offer from Maryland to continue on the Prep School route, he was also invited to UNC at some point as a recruit, the kid's got talent.
I'm not saying they won't buy into the "true team" concept, but I do think its Archie's biggest challenge next season. At most every other spot, I think Archie could look to make an addition if he see the fit, I just don't think PG is a particularly huge need heading into next season unless there is a transfer brewing that we don't know about. Most transfers are not going to transfer somewhere where they think they'll only play 10 minutes in a backup role.
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Agree that minutes going down (and freshman accepting their minutes / roles) will be a challenge. Winning always helps though.
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Elijah Minnie announced he is transferring from Robert Morris today. Kid was a bit of a late bloomer that Dayton and Tennessee were interested in last year. I believe Robert Morris was the first program to offer him, so he went there, but perhaps looking for a bigger stage now. He came on strong towards the end of the year and has some untapped potential. Recent article: http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/r...s/201503200184
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Elijah Minnie announced he is transferring from Robert Morris today. Kid was a bit of a late bloomer that Dayton and Tennessee were interested in last year. I believe Robert Morris was the first program to offer him, so he went there, but perhaps looking for a bigger stage now. He came on strong towards the end of the year and has some untapped potential. Recent article: http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/r...s/201503200184
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If Archie is interested, it can't hurt that he played in the first four and saw the crowd support for UD!
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Josh Cunningham, a 6'7" freshman at Bradley, announced he is transferring. I know we recruited him - from Chicago, I think played with Kyle Davis some. He was recruited by several bigger schools, including Iowa State, and I was surprised he ended up @ Bradley. I don't know our level of interest, but there's some ties there.
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There are 5 other players besides Cunningham transferring out of Bradley...I guess they don't like the new coach, eh?
If that happened to Archie UD would have no returning players left!
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Monnesen, PA - opposite side of Pittsburgh from Beaver Falls. But yeah, you gotta think eventually Archie will reel in a Pittsburgher.
Also somewhat noteworthy - Tariq Owens, who was waiting out the Tennessee hire before officially requesting his release, is indeed planning to transfer. It's been reported that Chris Mullin at St. Johns is after him.
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With some of you talking about messin with chemistry, you would be advised NOT to cook anything!
I think it IS a big deal. So let's say you have 5 ingredients that you already have mixed together. Someone suggests trying a new, better ingredient (the same type as one of the 5 you already placed in the mix). So you ADD ONLY this one new ingredient (which makes that 1 of the 5 more than the recipe stated) well now you've screwed up the total mix.
I'm not saying you can't add, but you do have to be careful what and how you add. In the case above if you add some more of ingredients 2-5 in the right proportions everything gets closer to what it was meant to be in the end.
As I think we have seen Archie do, newcomers are worked into the fold as the season progresses. Slowly placing them in situations that they and the team can handle.
I think this allows for acceptance and understanding and most importantly that everyone has a role for the good of the team. I would believe if he has choices, someone who played like they weren't a team player gets to sit the bench and watch. (like a certain PG we had transfer in)
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A change is chemistry is inevitable. With just the players that gain eligibility and the incoming freshman, it is going to change. That doesn't mean the chemistry will be bad. I am confident that Archie has learned from last year's issue and also last year's chemistry.
But I also think part of the chemistry was the way Archie handled the team after the issue. If he feels a kid makes the program better, I would think the kids "buy in" of his system is a consideration. But the recipe is changing no matter what.
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Changing your roster is not the same as changing chemistry...
Bringing in a new freshman class + 1 transfer who had a year to acclimate himself with the team is a natural progression and not the same as bringing in an immediately eligible 1-year player to potentially replace a starter.
One everyone expects and has experienced since HS. The other involves too many unknowns that may disrupt chemistry, friendships and allegiances.
If, however, the player is brought in (like Bass) to obviously give us 5-7 minutes a game, that's a different story. But any talk of brining in a 1-year player to start and/or bump Scoochie's minutes and role is, IMRO, nuts.
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Changing your roster is not the same as changing chemistry...
Bringing in a new freshman class + 1 transfer who had a year to acclimate himself with the team is a natural progression and not the same as bringing in an immediately eligible 1-year player to potentially replace a starter.
One everyone expects and has experienced since HS. The other involves too many unknowns that may disrupt chemistry, friendships and allegiances.
If, however, the player is brought in (like Bass) to obviously give us 5-7 minutes a game, that's a different story. But any talk of brining in a 1-year player to start and/or bump Scoochie's minutes and role is, IMRO, nuts.
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Changing the roster under normal circumstances usually leads to chemistry changes. These aren't normal circumstances. Approximately half of the team that will be vying for playing time did not do so last year. While acclimating during practice will have helped, it's not the same as competing for game time. As I said before, just because the chemistry changes doesn't mean the chemistry becomes bad. In fact I think this season's chemistry portends good things moving forward.
I don't envision a player being brought in to start over or take major time from Scoochie. I would tend to think that if a PG that good and with immediate eligibility exists, he is more likely looking for a B5 program with no clear starter. lf a transfer with immediate eligibility is coming in for next season, I'm hoping for a big. I would prefer that when we take transfers with immediate eligibility, that we focus more on improving our potential weaknesses. That being said, if there was PG out there that had the talent to lead us to a Final Four, I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him to the program. I don't think that player is out there nor do I think we would be his destination if he were.
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A kid from Florida State named Dayshawn Watkins is transferring. He's not very good, but it would be pretty amazing to have a Dayshon, a Dyshawn and a Dayshawn on the same roster.
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IMO you don't count on freshmen to play PG. It happens, but you don't count on it as your only plan. DDavis is not a PG, not in the least. That really just leaves Scoochie + hope as our strategy.
I knew nothing about the pitcher that got added to my summer league team one season except that he was bumping my friend from the #1 spot. Then in the first game he threw an 85 MPH splitter that disappeared into the dirt like it was magic, and suddenly we had "chemistry."
I know nothing of this senior PG, but if he's a stud, Miller fits him into the system. Everyone else will find chemistry based on how much he steals from the dorm rooms (like Dee and Dumb) vs. being a classy guy (like JS).
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I think every coach wants as talented a roster as they can get, but one also needs to consider team chemistry. The returning players on this squad have a relationship with Scoochie and I'll assume its a good one, brining in someone who starts over him risks the potential of alienating not only Scoochie, but also some teammates, perhaps leads players to be "less than enthused" about practice or game plans, perhaps leads players to buy into something other than the "true team" philosophy.
Its kind of a mute point in regards to Scoochie, I doubt there is any potential 5th year senior transfer or uncommitted HS/Juco kid that would both commit to UD and would also be better than what myself, Archie and Scoochie all think Scoochie is capable of providing next season. Now throw on top of that the addition of Crosby next year, a 5th year prep school player, as well as the return of D.Davis and my guess is that Archie thinks he has the PG minutes pretty well covered next season.
But, I think you could easily slide the conversation to any other spot on the floor. Archie's biggest challenge next season will be taking the 5 returning players, all of whom played Starters minutes this season and convincing them that they will play something less of a role next season. Now for some, I think that's an easy sell, Scoochie could certainly use a few less minutes to save his legs while still getting to run the show, but does Archie want to insert a little more size into the lineup and run out Steve, Miller, or potentially some transfer/juco signee at the 5 spot? If he does, does he want to move Pollard down to the 4, and Pierre out to the 3, or does he want to bring Pollard off the bench? If he moves Pierre out to the 3, does he start someone other than Kyle Davis at the 2 to provide more 3 point capability into the starting lineup? Perhaps Archie's plan on paper is to go with the same starting 4, move Cooke or Davis into the Siberts role and let the frosh round out the bench along with DDavis/Cooke, but what if one of the incoming frosh proves that they belong on the floor more than Archie thought was possible? As unique a situation as Archie had last season, he's got an equally unique situation this season in convincing guys to play less minutes or different roles for the good of the team. Most guy expect to increase their roles on the team as they progress from a frosh to a senior, pretty much everyone is going to be playing a few less minutes at a minimum and there will likely be one or two that player significantly less minutes or a lesser role than they did this season.
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D Davis will not see any mins at pt,Smith and Crosby have that cover. Baby D is comfortable at the 2 for his scoring
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I know nothing of this senior PG, but if he's a stud, Miller fits him into the system. Everyone else will find chemistry based on how much he steals from the dorm rooms (like Dee and Dumb) vs. being a classy guy (like JS).
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Be careful when you use the word "classy" and the initials "JS" in the same sentence. It might be better to type out "Jordan."
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Or, to go back a bit further, Scott Gray?
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we're looking at a Canadian center
6’11 Jonah Fogg, dressed in a plaid shirt, was standing beside his vehicle, or more like hovering over it with his massive “lumberjack” frame.
As for Fogg’s basketball career, it reached an all-time high this past summer when he made the Canadian Junior National team.
The NCAA’s Valporaiso and Dayton University have both expressed strong interest in the big man, with Valpo also visiting Fogg in the Soo.
Both programs currently have Canadian content on their rosters–Tevonn Walker, Max Joseph for Valpo, and Dyshawn Pierre for Dayton.
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Seems like a high-character kid.
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I really like Sam Miller. I think he will give us some good minutes next year. I really like the prospect of big Steve as he develops over the next few years, but I want more depth in the big spots. Hopefully Archie can cash in on his success here for the last few years and land a seasoned big man.
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Seems like a high-character kid.
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Looks like he might need a year for conditioning, but if he could make the same kind of progress that Steve has, he could be a force in a couple of years. And it definitely looks like is a "high character" kid. At this point, in Archie I trust.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
Looks like he might need a year for conditioning, but if he could make the same kind of progress that Steve has, he could be a force in a couple of years. And it definitely looks like is a "high character" kid. At this point, in Archie I trust.
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Drop the Gator-Aid and switch to water; hit the weights and the court. He would definitely be a red-shirt candidate.
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Or, to go back a bit further, Scott Gray?
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Originally Posted by TommyGola
Drop the Gator-Aid and switch to water; hit the weights and the court. He would definitely be a red-shirt candidate.
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If the raw talent is there, I could see a big body project as a decent use of a scholarship. It's so hard to find true centers. They are almost always going to require a bit of molding. You're doing well if your bigs are a two-way threat by the time they are upperclassman. UCONN and Pitt used to be really good at keeping a pipeline full of bigs, with juniors and seniors ready to step up each year.
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Until we become a consistent program of note, we won't get Bigs like the DUKE Bigs. We will have to seek out bigs that are short term building projects (1 to 2 years in the building phase).
Also I hate when some pub STILL calls us Dayton University you would think by now that old phrase is gone. If they just use DAYTON that's fine with me.
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Also I hate when some pub STILL calls us Dayton University you would think by now that old phrase is gone. If they just use DAYTON that's fine with me.
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I was bummed that this "Dayton University" has a shot at this kid but we don't.
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North Pole Hoops. Hmm, I wonder if he knows Buddy the Elf?
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@jeffborzello Tennessee transfer Tariq Owens is looking at St. John's, George Washington, Cincinnati, Big Ten schools, Illinois State, per his father.
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@jeffborzello Tennessee transfer Tariq Owens is looking at St. John's, George Washington, Cincinnati, Big Ten schools, Illinois State, per his father.
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Another case of a guy jumping ship multiple times. Was released from his LOI to Ohio University after Groce left to Illinois, and now is jumping ship after one year because Tennessee fired their coach. I know Archie was trying hard to lure him in but after he chose Tennessee, not sure if Archie would go back to that well. Not sure I'd want a guy that keeps jumping programs anyway.
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Watched Owen in a few UT games this year. Nice long athlete but lacks skills and strength. I was more impressed by Minnie of RMU who is similar from an athletic standpoint but can shoot from three point range.
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