Bracketology

[xubrew]

Originally Posted by Radar Those are a lot of words to say: CRAP SHOOT!

Pretty much.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by xubrew Pretty much.

Was not expecting that response from you xubrew. I thought you would be defending the committee. I have now lost all hope that things will be on the up and up.

[Alberto Strasse]

In the NCAA College Football Programs drive the cash wagon. All financial decisions are biased in favor of the institutions within the NCAA that play major scholarship football. Don't spend a lot of time looking for a scientific rationale for the selection of teams who get a lottery ticket to win a lot of money in the NCAA men's basketball tournament. Football will decide all ties.

[xubrew]

Originally Posted by CE80 Was not expecting that response from you xubrew. I thought you would be defending the committee. I have now lost all hope that things will be on the up and up.

Is agreeing that it's a crapshoot not defending them??

It is a crapshoot. It's a committee made up of conference commissioners and athletic directors who are all individual people with individual ideas on how assess the teams. I disagree with a lot of the narratives about how they play political favorites. They don't work for CBS. They don't work for the NCAA either. If they'll take La Salle and leave out Kentucky, and do so in a year where someone from the SEC was on the committee, then I have a hard time questioning their honesty. The power programs accuse them of playing favorites because they want to see the Cinderella upsets. The non-powers think they play favorites because they want to push the big name schools.

Since both sides think they're being screwed, I think they're kind of hitting the sweet spot.

But, it is a crapshoot. All committees are regardless of what their purpose is. A hiring committee is a crapshoot. A rules committee is a crapshoot. A party planning committee is a crapshoot. This is no different.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[CE80]

I don't think it makes a difference to CBS but it makes a difference to many coaches and ADs and schools. There is a lot of money and jobs at play here. I think there is politicking and more involved. UCLA's inclusion last year was ridiculous. Will not surprise me at all if it comes out that someone is on the take.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by xubrew The power programs accuse them of playing favorites because they want to see the Cinderella upsets.

If they actually feel that way they are idiots. UCLA and Indiana last season, I rest my case. Making Top 50 wins so important favors power schools and the committee knows it. Mid majors don't have the opportunity to play nearly as many top 50 schools, particularly at home. What is better, 4-12 of a power school, half of which were at home, or 2-2 of a mid major, all of which were road neutral. 4-12 of course.

[xubrew]

I'm not saying I agree with all the picks, or that I never think they make bad picks. UCLA was a bad pick. But, who on the committee benefited from it?? The majority of them weren't from major conferences. What did the Conference USA commissioner, the Northeastern AD, the UNC Asheville AD and the Creighton AD get out of putting UCLA in?? All but two of them had to agree with it.

Sports fans, coaches, and players are naturally narcissistic. They're going to think they're teams are better than anyone else who isn't a fan, player, or coach, and when someone doesn't think the team is as good as they do, they assume that person is either an idiot or corrupt. Maybe a big part of why everyone is ****ed off and calling foul is because they're just naturally biased toward their own teams.

Oklahoma thinks the committee is corrupt because they had to go to Columbus, and the committee wanted to see Dayton in the upset.

Kansas thinks the committee is corrupt because they intentionally engineered the game against Wichita State and it wasn't fair that they had to play an in state team.

Rick Pitino is still my all time favorite. The committee had it out for Louisville when they paired them against Manhattan because his former assistant was the coach of the team.

Everyone thinks the committee is out to screw them so they can help the other guy. Everyone. It's amazing, really. Yet, I guess it does make sense. If no one is happy, then it must have been fair.

[CE80]

What did the FIlFA selection committee members get out of putting the World Cup in Qtar?
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[xubrew]

Which ones??

The make up of the FIFA Exexutive Committee is a little different. As are the geopolitical influences. As is the selection procedure.
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[NCkevi]

Bracketology: Teams won't get much sympathy for injuries, suspensions By Jerry Palm

The NCAA selection committee has always said such things are "taken into consideration" during their proceedings, but the reality is that in only one circumstance would you ever notice such consideration. That circumstance is a season-ending injury to a key player -- and that consideration always works against a team.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-...es-suspensions

[ud2]

Did not see this posted, darn, DC dropped us to #20, a 5 seed , after the SJU loss.

SBU has dropped quite a bit, Ohio State seems to be creeping up the rankings. GW still in.


http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

[ruechalgrin]

Dayton now a 6 seed with bracketolgists is my guess. Bracket Matrix will move over the next week.

[ruechalgrin]

CBS saying now #7 seed ....

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...ed-is-slipping

I actually think 6/7 now ... St. Louis must win.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin CBS saying now #7 seed .... http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...ed-is-slipping I actually think 6/7 now ... St. Louis must win.

That is predicated on winning out or at least winning two games. The way we have been exposed, any team with shooting or penetrating guards will make toast of our defense.

[NCkevi]

I think if we lose more than 2 games before the NCAA tournament we will likely play in a dreaded 8/9 game

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by NCkevi I think if we lose more than 2 games before the NCAA tournament we will likely play in a dreaded 8/9 game

Every game on the schedule would be considered a bad loss. A loss at Richmond will just make us look average. A loss at SL will kill us. A loss at home to RI will be as bad as today and a loss at home against VCU would perhaps be our best possible loss but VCU isn't ranked so again, bad.

To assume that because we looked like such a lock a week ago means that we just do normal slides from a 4 seed to a 6 seed to an 8 or 9 seed with losses is just fooling yourself IMO.

I predict if we have 2 losses before the end of the season, our at large opportunity will be gone unless KP comes back for the conference tourney and makes us look as good as we did before he was out. The committee might throw us love under those circumstances.

21-3 is phenomenal, 21-5 is very good, 23-7 is a far cry from 21-3. Don't be fooled by all our great press leading into the week. We're not a lock yet.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[CoffeeCan]

From the USA Today Bracketologist:
http://www.bracketwag.com/

"As I sit here 3 weeks from Selection Sunday, there are still many teams résumé's that are tough to judge. Here's my WAG for today's bracket. Saint Bonaventure got a nice win at Dayton and are closer to being in now. Duke's lack of depth caught up with them in a testy loss at Louisville. Xavier stays on the 1 line with a nice win at Georgetown. Oklahoma's win at West Virginia almost moved them up, and I expect it to happen soon, but not yet. South Carolina topped Florida in OT in a game between middling SEC teams. North Carolina recovered nicely with a serious beat down of Miami. Baylor went to Austin and topped Texas. Pittsburgh needed a good win and got one on the road at Syracuse, who has dropped to a double digit seed. Saint Joe's was handed their first road loss at Davidson, no damage there. Alabama, who was one of the hottest teams out there, took a bad loss at home to Mississippi State, who are playing well themselves. The loss hurt, but Alabama's overall profile is still solid. Butler needed a resume building win but couldn't hang on at AP #1 Villanova. Cincinnati moves back in with a nice win over Connecticut. LSU, Clemson and Florida State all took damaging losses and probably need to win their conference tournament to get in. Not ruling them out completely yet, but they are close. Kansas held off Kansas State to remain the overall #1 in my bracket. Texas A&M won a thriller in OT on a buzzer beater against Kentucky, who I still can't figure out. Notre Dame lost on a late basket at Georgia Tech. Indiana held off Purdue's furious comeback to get the home win. Saint Mary's won at Gonzaga and moves in as the AQ for the WCC. Gonzaga is out now and their at-large hopes have diminished. UCLA almost moves in with a whooping of Colorado."

And has at a 6 seed.

Does our recent play concern me? Yes.
Do I think we go to a complete collapse that allows the committee to shut us out? No.
Am I concerned about seeding and not getting into the dance? Yes.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer We are one of the very few teams that have not hit a rough patch where we lost 3/4 games in a 6 game stretch. I hope we don't go there. But if we were a stock, a whole lot of investors would be shorting us just playing the probabilities.

Just re-emphasizing what almost everyone knows, and this last week just reinforces it. We are among the dozens of good teams that are hitting a rough spot in the season. Might be for a myriad of different reasons but the above result is much the same. We will survive it.
We are not the only team by far that has burped with the bullseye on our back.

[UDFlyer23]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask.../iteration/237

A 5 seed in Lunardi's bracket this morning. Still in great shape if we can finish 3-1 the rest of the way and get Pollard back.

SJU and VCU both 9 seeds. Still not a lot of love for GW, had SBU not lost to LaSalle they would be probably be in as well.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[CE80]

I don't think the (Flyer) world is coming to and end but our resume of 4-3 against the top 50 includes wins against Monmouth 46- and Alabama -48. If those 2 go above 50, we go to 2-3 against the top 50. Not as impressive. GW is 52 so that could go the other way and we have a game against VCU. Again, not the end of the world and we are still good when compared to bubble teams but there is still work to do.

[ud2]

DC update...up to #18, we were #20 in the previous update...still a 5 seed...SBU and SJU also in.


AAC with 3...Cincinnati, UConn, Tulsa


http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

[KYFlyer]

Bracketmatrix has us a #3 5, SJ an #1 8, VCU an #2 11 and SB and GW first four out. Here's to UD, SB and GW winning out until either meets us in the A10 tournament and getting 5 teams in!!!

VCU might need to go farther in the tournament than GW or SB if this happens to get in.

[priceg75]

Down to the #1 6 seed this morning. Typically, that site gets it within a seed line if not right on, so hopefully we're in line for no worse than a 7, but I could see us slipping to an 8/9 with either another loss or a poor A10 tournament showing. Or if they rely heavily on advanced metrics, where we're closer to 30th in many ratings.

[UDFlyer23]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch

Do you dare doubt the power of the "Bubble Watch Lock Curse"? Dayton's post-lock road loss at Saint Joseph's last week was not enough to sway you? Take heed, skeptics, for on Saturday the once-mighty Flyers, beset by the curse's dark energies, lost at UD Arena 79-72 to St. Bonaventure! All will bow before the mighty power of the Curse! (Note to Dayton fans: Those aren't bad losses, but even if they were, UD is getting in. Don't freak out.)

I will only begin to freak out if we lose tonight.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by UDFlyer23 http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch Do you dare doubt the power of the "Bubble Watch Lock Curse"? Dayton's post-lock road loss at Saint Joseph's last week was not enough to sway you? Take heed, skeptics, for on Saturday the once-mighty Flyers, beset by the curse's dark energies, lost at UD Arena 79-72 to St. Bonaventure! All will bow before the mighty power of the Curse! (Note to Dayton fans: Those aren't bad losses, but even if they were, UD is getting in. Don't freak out.) I will only begin to freak out if we lose tonight.

We lose tonight and there will be a whole lot of freakin going on - and not the good kind.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by CE80 We lose tonight and there will be a whole lot of freakin going on - and not the good kind.

You wouldn't want to be anywhere near UD Pride, that's for sure . . .

________________________
That's the stress talkin' . . .
Walter Sobchak - The Big Lebowski

[1903 Flyer]

Vandy moves to Lunardi's last team in with a road win at Florida. Watch SC top ten tonight for Vandy's 80-footer at the halftime buzzer--has to be the top play of the night

[BRob2Perryman3]

Originally Posted by 1903 Flyer Vandy moves to Lunardi's last team in with a road win at Florida. Watch SC top ten tonight for Vandy's 80-footer at the halftime buzzer--has to be the top play of the night

Give me a compilation Top play of the night............Kyle Davis going Tony Stanley with 3 3's

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by 1903 Flyer Vandy moves to Lunardi's last team in with a road win at Florida. Watch SC top ten tonight for Vandy's 80-footer at the halftime buzzer--has to be the top play of the night

Probably play of year.
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[priceg75]

Metrics watch:

As of this morning, here are UD's rankings in the six rating systems mentioned earlier that are used by the committee:

RPI: 17
Kenpom: 50
Sagarin: 42
LMRC: 24
KPI: 18
BPI: 42

Mean is 32
Median is 33

We're trending towards an 8/9 seed, sadly.

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by priceg75 Metrics watch: As of this morning, here are UD's rankings in the six rating systems mentioned earlier that are used by the committee: RPI: 17 Kenpom: 50 Sagarin: 42 LMRC: 24 KPI: 18 BPI: 42 Mean is 32 Median is 33 We're trending towards an 8/9 seed, sadly.

Sorry, this is not accurate. The committee looks at all these factors but does not equally weight them.

Dayton right now is a 5-7 seed.

Committee looks at probably in order of priority:
(1) top 25/50 wins
(2) top 25/5o record
(3) road/neutral wins/record and versus top 25/50
(4) points 1-3 above but for top 100 teams.
(5) SOS and OOC SOS (which redundant part of RPI, but yep they look at it)
(6) bad losses which are for 101+ or 150+ depending on who you ask
THESE 6 FACTORS ARE ALL BASED UPON RPI.
(7) Then look at other metrics like kenpom, KPI, Sagarin, LMRC (non-scoring margin based), BPI, etc.
(8) eye-test and scouting reports from committee members assigned to conferences

This was a 2 minute brain-dump, but pretty close to accurate. From people who have done mock selections, Lunardi who I took a bracketology class with, etc., etc.

RPI frames everything because that is how the committee looks at top 25/50/100 wins/losses, etc and because that is how the data is presented visually to them.

Dayton is a solid 5-7 right now. But depends on how Dayton finishes and how others finish as we don't have many opportunities for good wins, but plenty of opportunities for bad losses whereas many P5 schools that are presently 7-11 seeds have many opportunities for good wins and few opportunities for bad losses.

THERE ARE NOT 25 RESUMES BETTER THAN DAYTON'S RIGHT NOW.

[priceg75]

There's a reason I said "trending". Bracket Matrix has us as a 6. Considering the bias we've seen towards our own resume in the past, I think a 7 is more likely. Another loss, which seems more likely than not the way we are playing, and it's quickly an 8/9.

[momszer]

What's everyone worried about. Lunardi still has us as a 5 seed. That's all the committee cares about per ESPN. :-)

[UDBaby]

Two important factors to note:

1. IMO our resume last year shudda made us shoe-in for the tourney and the committee put us in the play-in game. So much for metrics.

2. We still have 3 more games to go this year with 0-3, 1-2, 2-1,3-0 all very distinct possible outcomes.

Go 3-0, win the A-10 tourney and let's see what happens.

[ruechalgrin]

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

[troublebrewin]

Not a bad second round matchup if Dance Card held. Duke, Kentucky, Maryland, Texas

[jerseyflyer09]

I don't know...Kentucky scares me more than almost anyone right now.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 I don't know...Kentucky scares me more than almost anyone right now.

If I could be guaranteed a 2nd round game, I'd take anyone they throw at us.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by UDBaby Two important factors to note: 2. We still have 3 more games to go this year with 0-3, 1-2, 2-1,3-0 all very distinct possible outcomes.

"I was told there would be no math", but aren't those the ONLY possibilities?

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

Very interesting- 4 A-10 teams, and VCU is NOT one of them

[San Diego Flyer]

VCU is right in the zone where a p5 team would get a pass, but an A10 team wouldn't.

63 RPI, 100+ SOS. , 1-1 top 25, 2-3 top 50.

Our game with them on March 5th could be a make or break for them. Which really shows how fast your stock can drop. Scary.

[CE80]

VCU's game this Saturday is at GW. A win may put them back on the bubble.

It could also take GW off it.

[NorthwestFlyer]

Lunardi produced an update to his bracket.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask.../iteration/240

Dayton dropped to a 6 seed (rightly so), but he has VCU still in with GW and St. Bonnie on the outside looking in. Every game counts this time of year.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer VCU is right in the zone where a p5 team would get a pass, but an A10 team wouldn't. 63 RPI, 100+ SOS. , 1-1 top 25, 2-3 top 50. Our game with them on March 5th could be a make or break for them. Which really shows how fast your stock can drop. Scary.

A P5 team would rarely have a 2-3 Top record, simply because they play too many conference games against the Top 50. But they might get a pass for a 3-5 vs the Top 50.

[Cbusflyer07]

Originally Posted by NorthwestFlyer Lunardi produced an update to his bracket. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask.../iteration/240 Dayton dropped to a 6 seed (rightly so), but he has VCU still in with GW and St. Bonnie on the outside looking in. Every game counts this time of year.

I want nothing to do with that team in the first round! Ironically, the Dunkin' Donuts Center is about 40 minutes from where my grandmother lives. That would be very tempting.
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[CE80]

Originally Posted by Cbusflyer07 I want nothing to do with that team in the first round! Ironically, the Dunkin' Donuts Center is about 40 minutes from where my grandmother lives. That would be very tempting. Posted via Mobile Device

Monmouth.

I thought one of the match up protocol's was to avoid repeat of regular season games?

[jerseyflyer09]

You're correct. Lunardi has stated it's too time consuming to follow this rule in his projections and he wouldn't be able to get updates out as quickly. We would not play Monmouth in the first round, but he has us in the 6 range and them in the 11. Unless there has been a rule change I don't think you can play teams you played in season in the first round and maybe not even in the second. Lunardi is just giving us a reasonable projection of seeding moreso than who we'd be playing exactly.

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER A P5 team would rarely have a 2-3 Top record, simply because they play too many conference games against the Top 50. But they might get a pass for a 3-5 vs the Top 50.

Or 3-12.

[xubrew]

Originally Posted by CE80 Monmouth. I thought one of the match up protocol's was to avoid repeat of regular season games?

They AVOID them. They don't necessarily cut them out entirely. It's a soft rule, but they do occasionally do it. They're not going to put multiple teams on airplanes to avoid it, and they're not going to move seed lines to avoid it.

I find it odd that Joe Lunardi doesn't have the software that would immediately identify all of the bracketing rules when he builds a bracket. You can program them all in on something as simple as excel, and it will tell you if you're breaking one of them.

Anyways....

[xubrew]

Originally Posted by Cbusflyer07 I want nothing to do with that team in the first round! Ironically, the Dunkin' Donuts Center is about 40 minutes from where my grandmother lives. That would be very tempting. Posted via Mobile Device

If shot selection were part of the selection committee's criteria, Monmouth wouldn't even come close to making the NIT based on their last few weeks of games. I think the MAAC teams have adjusted to them. They force up more contested shots with 20+ seconds on the shot clock than any other team I've ever seen. They really don't scare me anymore. I'm impressed with how much they've improved in two years, but they're not dangerous if you know how to play against them, which is to basically throw any sort of match up at them and then be in position to get the rebound because they're going to be taking a lot of quick and bad shots.

[Whacker]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer VCU is right in the zone where a p5 team would get a pass, but an A10 team wouldn't. 63 RPI, 100+ SOS. , 1-1 top 25, 2-3 top 50. Our game with them on March 5th could be a make or break for them. Which really shows how fast your stock can drop. Scary.

P5 would doubtfully have that same line. As they'd have had many more opportunities for top 25 and top 50 wins in conference. Now, they'd have more counting wins, but probably a worse percentage.

Take Florida (44 RPI) for instance: They are 17-11 overall, 2-5, 2-6 and 7-10 (vs 25, 50 and 100 RPI respectively) The P5 shill would say "ohh, look they have 2 top 25 and 2 top 50 wins." Another perspective would be "look they mostly lose when they play tournament-quality teams."

[NorthwestFlyer]

ESPN Bubble watch has been updated, we are still considered a lock, but I think we have an asterisk on that lock.

"On Tuesday night, Dayton ended 40 minutes of basketball at Saint Louis -- which is 10-17, has an RPI pushing 200, and ranks in the high 230s in adjusted efficiency -- tied 46-46. The Flyers won, in overtime, 52-49. It was the lowest score in a UD win since 1934. This whole "lock curse" thing isn't funny anymore, Dayton. OK? You're scaring us."

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch

Really need to complete a sweep of the Rams this weekend.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UDFlyer23]

To fully cement a lock as a single digit seed before the A10 tournament we just need to win 2 of the next 3. 24-6, 14-4 and we can breathe easy regardless of what happens in Brooklyn.

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by NorthwestFlyer ESPN Bubble watch has been updated, we are still considered a lock, but I think we have an asterisk on that lock. "On Tuesday night, Dayton ended 40 minutes of basketball at Saint Louis -- which is 10-17, has an RPI pushing 200, and ranks in the high 230s in adjusted efficiency -- tied 46-46. The Flyers won, in overtime, 52-49. It was the lowest score in a UD win since 1934. This whole "lock curse" thing isn't funny anymore, Dayton. OK? You're scaring us." http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch Really need to complete a sweep of the Rams this weekend.

I believe ESPN meant "lowest score in a UD overtime win". Since we beat Saint Louis 51-44 last year.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Cbusflyer07]

Originally Posted by UDFlyer23 To fully cement a lock as a single digit seed before the A10 tournament we just need to win 2 of the next 3. 24-6, 14-4 and we can breathe easy regardless of what happens in Brooklyn.

Wow this may be true, my understanding though is a single digit could include either eight or nine. Now, I was not raised with common core math, so this could be different now. in all seriousness though, I'm never comfortable until we reach the semi's of the Atlantic 10 tournament. We do that this year , and I'm feeling pretty good.
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[CE80]

Originally Posted by Cbusflyer07 Wow this may be true, my understanding though is a single digit could include either eight or nine. Now, I was not raised with common core math, so this could be different now. in all seriousness though, I'm never comfortable until we reach the semi's of the Atlantic 10 tournament. We do that this year , and I'm feeling pretty good. Posted via Mobile Device

I think these last 3 regular season games are more important than what happens on the A10 tourney.

[UDFlyer23]

Originally Posted by Cbusflyer07 Wow this may be true, my understanding though is a single digit could include either eight or nine. Now, I was not raised with common core math, so this could be different now. in all seriousness though, I'm never comfortable until we reach the semi's of the Atlantic 10 tournament. We do that this year , and I'm feeling pretty good. Posted via Mobile Device

Agreed, 24-6 and a first round loss in Brooklyn and we are flirting with 8/9 seed territory, but certainly not any lower than that. Take care of business tomorrow though, that's all that matters now.

[ruechalgrin]

Dayton not on bubble ... yet. Now an 8/9 seed.

Go 0-2 the next 2 and Dayton on bubble as probably 5th place in A-10 and no bye 1st round.

[Phi Psi Flyer '09]

Probably sitting on 8.5/9 line about to play in a place we haven't won in 15 years. So more likely 10/11.
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[UD62]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Dayton not on bubble ... yet. Now an 8/9 seed. Go 0-2 the next 2 and Dayton on bubble as probably 5th place in A-10 and no bye 1st round.

Double bye a lock for the Flyers, GW lost to VCU, up 2 on GW and have the tiebreaker with both GW and Davidson

[FortWrightFlyer]

I was sweating my Thursday night flight to LGA...and I still am. Will UD show up?
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[Flyer68]

I think part of the problem with us is the overconfidence that a seed and spot in the NCAA tournament will always be there for UD no matter how bad the team is playing.

We are falling into the seeding area 10/11 and lower that is often populated by teams hot and on the upswing at the end of the year or teams from other conferences who played well all year but lost in their conference final.

Losing next two is distinct possibility ending with a 22-8 record and no bye in the tournament. If we are playing poorly what confidence would or should we have that we can win even one game in the A10 tournament? We would be playing against teams that know that the only way they can make the NCAA is by winning the A10 tournament. If that happens, why should the NCAA reward us with an appearance and seed?

[UDDoug]

Me thinks the flyers have won their last game of the year. Finish 22-10.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by Flyer68 Losing next two is distinct possibility ending with a 22-8 record and no bye in the tournament.

The next person that suggests "no bye in the tournament" as a possibility should face some sort of punishment says me.

[Flyer68]

Hey hawkoooo: "no bye in the tournament" - so punish me!!! Actually reading many of the posts throughout this message board is punishment enough. Getting awful crowded out on the ledge. Need a bigger ledge. Better yet, a win on Tuesday in Richmond and there will be a stampede off the ledge and we won't need a ledge at all.

Squash the Spiders - Go Flyers.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by UDDoug Me thinks the flyers have won their last game of the year. Finish 22-10.

You may be correct, but will be interesting to see how things play out. "true team" seems to be in tatters at the present time. Archie will earn his big bucks if he can right the ship. Thing is he doesn't have a lot of wiggle room as far as roster. Frosh aren't ready and upperclassmen are in a funk or are pi**ed at each other. Always a soap opera at Dayton

[BRob2Perryman3]

I wonder if there is any chance, ANY that SLU pulls off the upset of the year in the conference today. Admitted Kool-Aid drinker but we still have a shot at the #1 seed. The outright league title has sailed.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UDEE79]

I have already booked my airbnb in Brooklyn until Sunday. I was sure it was gonna be a pure basketball weekend but it now looks like I will be seeing a Broadway show and doing some siteseeing
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[UD62]

Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3 I wonder if there is any chance, ANY that SLU pulls off the upset of the year in the conference today. Admitted Kool-Aid drinker but we still have a shot at the #1 seed. The outright league title has sailed.

SJU would have to lose two out of three for us to claim #1 seed over them. We control our own destiny with VCU. Beat UR and VCU and we have tiebreaker with VCU, but should VCU and SJU win out VCU is #1. More than likely we are a #4(guarenteed) or a 2-3, but that could be a complicated tiebreaker exercise. Given our level of play lately, VCU is in a good place. This week's SBU-SJU game will be interesting. I'm with you though, If Bills could somehow win things could get interseting

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

[TA111]

I am almost tempted to go back to January, 2014 and pull up posts on how we were doomed and Archie was the worst coach in history, but I won't. Remember, it's a marathon with still much basketball to be played. They are guaranteed at least a top 4 seed with the double bye.

[Cbusflyer07]

SJU wins. SLU made it interesting for a while . This week is huge. This is exactly what the Atlantic 10 wanted when we played VCU. .
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	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[ruechalgrin]

Dayton is a 7 seed +/- seed if season ended today. Let's all get off the ledge.

I trust Archie and he will turn it around.
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[Buster Goode]

In reality I think we are in the 8/9 game right now. We need a win desperately to solidify a spot. Win over VCU should put us firmly in regardless of our 20 point loss at Richmond and first round loss in the A10 tourney.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Dayton is a 7 seed +/- seed if season ended today. Let's all get off the ledge. I trust Archie and he will turn it around. Posted via Mobile Device

I would feel better if the regular season ended today.

[Bill McPeek]

IMHO there is something going on with this team that none of us know anything about. Archie has to properly deal with it. Now is the time he earns his salary.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by Flyer68 Hey hawkoooo: "no bye in the tournament" - so punish me!!! Actually reading many of the posts throughout this message board is punishment enough. Getting awful crowded out on the ledge. Need a bigger ledge. Better yet, a win on Tuesday in Richmond and there will be a stampede off the ledge and we won't need a ledge at all. Squash the Spiders - Go Flyers.

We'll save you a spot.

This 'team' will lose the next 3 and miss the dance if those involved in the dysfunction dont see the big dance as more important than what is dividing them. Archie can't do anything to fix this it has to be those involved. This type of anger doesn't listen to external reason or respond to correction.

Normally I'd say its over but the last 5 minutes yesterday offered a glimmer of hope. That didn't look like a team that had fully given up. Looked like a team that still wants to win. Let's all hope that's the case.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ruechalgrin]

I went back and looked at the resumes of the teams in the 6-11 range after initially believing Dayton was a 8/9 seed.

If the season ended today, Dayton should be a low 6 or high 7 seed. Palm has Dayton as a 6 and Lundardi has Dayton as a 7.

The likes of Colorado, South Carolina, Pitt, Texas Tech, USC, Wichita St., Monmouth, Vandy, Cincy, Uconn, Bama, Butler, etc. simply don't have the resume Dayton has.

If Dayton goes 0-3, I worry. But as long as Dayton gets 23 wins, I am 90% confident Dayton is in and 24 wins and 100% confident. Simply a much better resume than 7-11 seeds and bubble teams. Winning @Vandy, William & Mary, Bama, @St. Bonnie's, Iowa, etc. matter. Wichita State has one guaranteed top 100 win versus Utah and perhaps two more if Evansville stays in the top 100 (Evansville like 90 now). Wichita St. could end up with 1 top 100 win!

Dayton will make its 3rd straight NCAA tourney. Archie will right the ship, Dayton wins the round of 64 game and who knows after that.

[UDFlyer23]

Ruechalgrin is right, see Lunardi's updated bracket below, still a 7 seed:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask.../iteration/244

Everyone should get a good kick out of Lunardi's two potential matchups in the first weekend he placed us with.

Starting to slip a little in DanceCard as well but still the first 7 seed, 22 spots above the cut line. Once you remove SMU and Louisville, we are actually a 6 seed in their projections. Even with an 0-2 finish to the regular season, that's an awfully large gap and we would probably only drop 10-15 spots at most.

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

[224]

Originally Posted by UDFlyer23 Ruechalgrin is right, see Lunardi's updated bracket below, still a 7 seed: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask.../iteration/244 Everyone should get a good kick out of Lunardi's two potential matchups in the first weekend he placed us with. Starting to slip a little in DanceCard as well but still the first 7 seed, 22 spots above the cut line. Once you remove SMU and Louisville, we are actually a 6 seed in their projections. Even with an 0-2 finish to the regular season, that's an awfully large gap and we would probably only drop 10-15 spots at most. http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

While I agree with your logic, I would expect to see us as a 8/9 if the season ended today. Iowa continuing to lose isn't helping us.

History has proven mid majors almost always get under seeded in the tourney. So whatever dance card, bracket matrix, etc have us as...drop us 1-2 spots.

[UDFlyer23]

Originally Posted by 224 While I agree with your logic, I would expect to see us as a 8/9 if the season ended today. Iowa continuing to lose isn't helping us. History has proven mid majors almost always get under seeded in the tourney. So whatever dance card, bracket matrix, etc have us as...drop us 1-2 spots.

Bracketmatrix also has us as the first 7 seed. I think an 0-2 finish and we will be right above the cut line around an 11 seed or maybe a 10 seed. Going 1-1 and I think that puts us firmly at an 8/9 seed.

Above all else, I put my trust into Dance Card. Year in and year out they prove to be the most accurate.

[rollo]

If VCU is in the 'last 4 out' and we lose our last 2 which would obviously included VCU, am I the only one who could see us switching places with them?

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by 224 Iowa continuing to lose isn't helping us.

Vandy winning does though.

They are a 7 right now, but if they lose the next 3 (and the way they are playing I certainly expect that), well I'm not sure an A10 that has lost 7 of 8 is on very safe ground.

at Richmond, VCU, GW neutral for a group not playing well is not something that instills confidence.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[NorthwestFlyer]

Originally Posted by rollo If VCU is in the 'last 4 out' and we lose our last 2 which would obviously included VCU, am I the only one who could see us switching places with them?

I think we still have a better resume then them. They really lack good wins. The wildcard for me is, how will the committee look at us if we continue to play like a team that doesn't want to play in the post season. They about kicked us out last year and everyone had us in solidly. We should be in, but I am no longer 100% certain that we make it. A lot of the projections are based on how we have been doing and projected to do to finish. So yes, I could see us switching with VCU if the committee chooses an unwritten eye test parameter.

I also see it very difficult for us to better our seed in the NCAA at this point if we don't turn up the heat and 1) finish the season with two more wins, 2) Get a couple of quality wins in the A10 tournament.

We are on the decline and we should expect (Certainly not be happy about) that a favorable seed is fleeting. That is the only thing that is really certain at this point.

[longtimefan]

We are playing so poorly right now that I just hope we get in. I'll take any seed (but don't want First Four). Making the NCAA three years in a row is a nice accomplishment to tell recruits. Of course I hope we get it together and win a couple more games, maybe one in regular season and one in A 10 Tourney, but if not I'll take any seed they want to give us.

[ud2]

DC update: Villanova is over-rated, they are not a legit 1 seed...UD is a 7 seed, still safely in, people are really worried around here.

Providence is getting too much respect from the DC.

GT is a 12.5 point underdog at Louisville, BG needs to pull a big upset.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by ud2 DC update: Villanova is over-rated, they are not a legit 1 seed...UD is a 7 seed, still safely in, people are really worried around here. Providence is getting too much respect from the DC. GT is a 12.5 point underdog at Louisville, BG needs to pull a big upset.

Why does BG need to pull a big upset?

[ud2]

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER Why does BG need to pull a big upset?

GT is a 12.5 point underdog, that is what I meant. If GT loses to Louisville, GT is out.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by ud2 GT is a 12.5 point underdog, that is what I meant. If GT loses to Louisville, GT is out.

Well if your theory is true, and BG and GT can play themselves into the bubble picture, or IN as you've suggested with 2 wins this week, I would think we (Flyer fans) would want Louisville to win. If our free-fall continues, I would like the bubble to shrink, not expand.

[UD90]

Let's suppose we win these next 2, finish as 2 or 3 spot in the A10 and make the finals again. Back in the 5/6 range. It's every bit as likely as the last 4 **** storm games we witnessed.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by UD90 Let's suppose we win these next 2, finish as 2 or 3 spot in the A10 and make the finals again. Back in the 5/6 range. It's every bit as likely as the last 4 **** storm games we witnessed.

agreed

[NorthwestFlyer]

Bubble watch. We are still a lock! But it seems the ESPN sports writers are having more fun with us than SNL is having with Trumps hair.

"Tuesday marked the fourth day of large-scale protests on the streets of Bubble Watch City, after an already-simmering unrest boiled over for the first time Saturday afternoon following Dayton's home loss to Rhode Island, 75-66. Immediately after the game, demonstrators identified as members of a local sect known as "Dayton Flyers fans" descended, en masse, on the gates of the Bubble Watch presidential manor. The group says its anger, directed at the Bubble Watch president himself, is a response to his role in locking the Flyers into the tournament bracket on Feb. 16 -- despite the group's devout belief in the power of the Bubble Watch "lock curse." Saturday's loss was Dayton's third in four games. The lone win in that span -- a 52-49 overtime victory at Saint Louis -- did little to quell the unrest. And though the protests have remained peaceful thus far, advisers to the president worry that a loss at Richmond on Tuesday might send the situation spiraling out of control. In a statement released from his private security bunker, the Bubble Watch president urged his fellow citizens to return to their homes, insisting "there is no such thing" as a lock curse and that Dayton's decline "is totally not our fault." More on this story as it develops."

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch

4 bid A10 is not out of the question, especially if we keep propping up the rest of the teams at our own expense.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by SLUFLYER Well if your theory is true, and BG and GT can play themselves into the bubble picture, or IN as you've suggested with 2 wins this week, I would think we (Flyer fans) would want Louisville to win. If our free-fall continues, I would like the bubble to shrink, not expand.

I know you really won't like this, but I would even argue that GT might have a slim chance of getting in if they split these last two games. There have been a few teams get a bid with a rpi in the high 60's or low 70's. I would say such a scenario is very unlikely though.

I would have to look at the resumes of those teams from the past that pulled off that feat, and I have not gotten around to that.

[ud2]

Well, ok, I see on some of these nitty gritty reports that I guess the committee does look at your record over the most recent 10 games, and UD is struggling a bit with that metric. Current last 10 is 7-3.

Drop these last 2 and that falls to 5-5.

[SLUFLYER]

Originally Posted by ud2 I know you really won't like this, but I would even argue that GT might have a slim chance of getting in if they split these last two games. There have been a few teams get a bid with a rpi in the high 60's or low 70's. I would say such a scenario is very unlikely though. I would have to look at the resumes of those teams from the past that pulled off that feat, and I have not gotten around to that.

It doesn't matter whether I like it or not. It's just ridiculous.

I agree that they have a slim chance of getting in if they split this week.........that slim chance being that they win the ACC Tourney.

Remember to tip your waitresses.........drops mic.

[Sea Bass]

FYI ... from RPI forecast

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein A team to keep an eye this week: USC. Trojans have lost five of their last six games. 8-8 in Pac-12 play. Need split to be safely in field.

USC is 19-10 with an RPI of 43

if the Flyers go
2-0 they finish with RPI of 19
1-1 they finish with an RPI of 25
0-2 they finish with an RPI of 32

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass FYI ... from RPI forecast USC is 19-10 with an RPI of 43 if the Flyers go 2-0 they finish with RPI of 19 1-1 they finish with an RPI of 25 0-2 they finish with an RPI of 32

Quit focusing only on the team's RPI. USC's worse loss at this time is 88, Arizona St. Flyers have 2 outside the top 100 and a possible 3rd tonight.

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by CE80 Quit focusing only on the team's RPI. USC's worse loss at this time is 88

and what rating index did you use to determine their worst loss was to team ranked 88th?

[CE80]

We are locked into no worse than a 4 seed in the A10 tourney.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by bhflyer5 Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we beat Richmond and lose to VCU and Bona also goes 1-1, don't they win the tie breaker with us? Also, if we lose to Richmond AND VCU, we could absolutely end up with a 5 seed and no double bye. Are you getting frazzled because people are saying first round bye and not a double bye?

We are a lock. Have a two game lead on the 5th place team,GW, and have the tiebeaker with them. If Bonnies beat us out it will be for the #3seed.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass and what rating index did you use to determine their worst loss was to team ranked 88th?

Caught me. You're right. Flyers finish 0-2 and then lose to GW in Brooklyn finishing with an RPI around 35. No sweat. Nothing to worry about. Doesn't matter how you do against top 50/100 or bottom 250.