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Old 10-17-2018, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by flyer016 View Post
Ha! Because the NCAA has really cleaned things up in the last 18 years.

I'm not going to argue with you jabronis on here -- you're all so partisan that you'd need to personally witness the mayor handing a recruit a bag with a dollar sign on it -- but you're delusional if you think there isn't financial and academic improprieties in all competitive D1 programs.
Well, there are some on here who would say Dayton is not competitive, so I guess we're good. The way th ed NCAA goes after little guys, I'm sure they would have been on UD like white on rice after the Elite 8 run if there was anything big.

The Iams guy? Really? If Brooks Hall hadn't been a recruit I suspect his dad would have qualified for that loan anyway. That's what his foundation did, loan money to people who couldn't get a loan in a traditional manner. Especially to those who did volunteer work, which Mr. Hall did. It was wrong and he reported it.
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Iams chief's loan to UD player's father draws scrutiny of NCAA: https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/s...weekinbiz.html
Your "proof" is analogous to the "proof" I hear about institutional racism. Yes, there is racism in our society, but one can't prove their point by identifying a couple discreet events and then claim "everyone is doing" it at proportions/scale claimed.

Yes, there is cheating and, yes, some schools cheat to a much greater degree than others, but you need more proof than this to get me to believe your claim. Accusations are not proof (yet).

I guess this is just a polite way of me calling Bu!!sh!t :-)
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A jury on Wednesday convicted the three defendants accused of pay-for-play schemes to influence high-profile basketball recruits to attend Kansas, Louisville and NC State.
Adidas employee James Gatto, former Adidas consultant Merl Code and Christian Dawkins, a former runner for NBA agent Andy Miller, were found guilty after a three-week criminal trial in federal court in New York.
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This strikes me as kind of nuts. On one hand, I'm happy to see rules being enforced. On the other hand... CRIMINAL penalties for not following NCAA rules is just plain crazy. As far as I can tell, the people convicted don't even have any formal relationship with the NCAA. It would be slightly less nuts to convict a player for accepting gifts and not reporting it - still crazy but at least the player has a formal relationship with the NCAA and presumably signs papers stating that they're an amateur.

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I thought the rules had changed after Pitino and prostitutes. Head coach doesn't have to know but he is responsible. Wonder how the NCAA gets out of this.
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I thought the rules had changed after Pitino and prostitutes. Head coach doesn't have to know but he is responsible. Wonder how the NCAA gets out of this.
I really feel sorry for Cleveland State.
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Recent story on ESPN site that Mr. Clean (Ricky Pitino) is hoping to become a candidate for an NBA coaching position.


Well that way he (or his staff) doesn't have to pay for strippers or prostitutes ..... the players can do that themselves!
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I really feel sorry for Cleveland State.
I still cite that joke from the late 1980s: “The NCAA is so upset by Jerry Tarkanian’s recruiting violations at UNLV that they’ve slapped another year’s probation on Cleveland State.”
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/innocen...ers-1541016671

For those of you without access, it is a letter written by Pitino's lawyer saying basically "everyone at trial specifically said they took great pains to make sure Pitino didn't know, so it's totally unfair that they're making my client a scapegoat."

Sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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Only in America.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-...=hp_lista_pos1

I'm corrupt so I cheated and took your money, and when I got caught cheating I decided it was your fault that I got punished for cheating, so I'm suing you over the consequences I have to face.

Way to go mom and dad, you're teaching your son well.


“Because of this criminal scheme and through no fault of their own, Brian and other student athletes lost their eligibility to play college basketball at any school, lost their eligibility to receive financial aid necessary to continue their education, and lost the singular opportunity to develop physically and athletically into NBA draft picks at an elite NCAA Division I basketball program,” said Mr. Bowen Jr.’s law firm, the McLeod Law Group, in a statement.
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Only in America.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-...=hp_lista_pos1

I'm corrupt so I cheated and took your money, and when I got caught cheating I decided it was your fault that I got punished for cheating, so I'm suing you over the consequences I have to face.

Way to go mom and dad, you're teaching your son well.


“Because of this criminal scheme and through no fault of their own, Brian and other student athletes lost their eligibility to play college basketball at any school, lost their eligibility to receive financial aid necessary to continue their education, and lost the singular opportunity to develop physically and athletically into NBA draft picks at an elite NCAA Division I basketball program,” said Mr. Bowen Jr.’s law firm, the McLeod Law Group, in a statement.
The same Mr. Bowen Jr whose father had his hand out and/or demanded $$'s at every turn for his son's services, be it AAU or college.
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Arizona moves to fire assistant coach Mark Phelps over alleged cheating activities at Arizona. That now makes 3 Arizona assistant coaches implicated in various cheating allegations.

Phelps says that he is innocent of all allegations.

Hard to see how Coach Miller can survive all of this turmoil much longer.


https://sports.yahoo.com/pressure-se...041938938.html

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Arizona moves to fire assistant coach Mark Phelps over alleged cheating activities at Arizona. That now makes 3 Arizona assistant coaches implicated in various cheating allegations.

Phelps says that he is innocent of all allegations.

Hard to see how Coach Miller can survive all of this turmoil much longer.


https://sports.yahoo.com/pressure-se...041938938.html
Couldn't agree more...however, see "ESPN Coaching Hot Seat" thread.

It's been a tough couple of years for the Miller family.
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FBI comes a callin
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaa...tBD?ocid=ientp

Former Adidas executive James Gatto was sentenced to nine months in prison Tuesday for his role in college basketball’s federal fraud scandal.
Co-defendants Merl Code, an Adidas consultant, and basketball middleman Christian Dawkins, each received six months.

All three were found guilty on conspiracy and fraud charges in October after a three-week jury trial. The sentences were handed down by Judge Lewis A. Kaplan in the Southern District of New York.
Gatto, 48, received a longer sentence due to additional convictions from his role as the boss of what prosecutors called an orchestrated effort to defraud college basketball teams.
All three were part of a plan to provide cash and other gifts to the families of top NBA prospects in order to either steer them to Adidas-sponsored schools or, once they turned professional, preferred agents and financial planners.
Those actions violate NCAA rules.
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Former Adidas executive James Gatto was sentenced to nine months in prison Tuesday for his role in college basketball’s federal fraud scandal.
Co-defendants Merl Code, an Adidas consultant, and basketball middleman Christian Dawkins, each received six months.

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Gatto, 48, received a longer sentence due to additional convictions from his role as the boss of what prosecutors called an orchestrated effort to defraud college basketball teams.
All three were part of a plan to provide cash and other gifts to the families of top NBA prospects in order to either steer them to Adidas-sponsored schools or, once they turned professional, preferred agents and financial planners.
Those actions violate NCAA rules.
I am still simply dumbfounded at this whole thing. How in the world is violating NCAA rules remotely worth jail time? How does steering an athlete to Adidas school amount defrauding a school? The Adidas school would obviously welcome a good athlete. The non-Adidas school might be disappointed to miss out, but how could you say they were defrauded? Did Adidas steal money from them? Sell them something and not deliver the goods? Am I totally missing something? They're shady rulebreakers, for sure, and if they really deserve jailtime I'm glad they got it. I just don't even see how they're on trial, let alone convicted. Can someone lay out a case for me?

I can see all kinds of NCAA sanctions - up to and including banning all NCAA teams from ever wearing another piece of Adidas gear, and including banning any team from the NCAA if they have any sort of business dealing with the offending parties. If that's what the NCAA wants to do. But jailtime is an entirely different animal.

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LSU hc Wade caught on a wiretap discussing crooked recruiting activities with Dawkins.

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Gross. Deserves his day in court but glad he's out of the A10. Most believe corruption is widespread. I'd rather UD be sub-500 than sell our soul.

Opinion: LSU should skip the NCAA tournament and fire Will Wade after FBI wiretap report
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This comment, off the wiretap, could easily imply Wade's shady ***t can be traced back to VCU or even Chattanooga.

"Wade told Dawkins that he had made deals for “as good of players as him” that were “a lot simpler than this.”

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Athletic article by Dana O'Neil. Must read but the major colleges are going down with their coaches.

Article was mainly about Will Wade but other coaches mentioned.
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The reason LSU won’t throw Wade under the bus is they are ****ed they got caught when most everyone is doing it
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I wouldn't want to be Will Wade right now....

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This comment, off the wiretap, could easily imply Wade's shady ***t can be traced back to VCU or even Chattanooga.

"Wade told Dawkins that he had made deals for “as good of players as him” that were “a lot simpler than this.”
In addition, guys like him just don’t start doing this crap when they get to a P5 school. Odds are he was shady for many years.
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Wade suspended indefinitely. LSU did the right thing IMHO. Interesting to see if Smart plays at Vandy tomorrow.

Fox Sports Clay Travis had interesting takes on Twitter. Thinks Wade is done at LSU.
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Right thing? The right thing would have been to do this a long time ago, LSU is doing only what they have to because they've been left with no other choice in the matter. The smoking guns presented in the past few weeks don't allow them to pretend nothing happened.


At some point, you know a coach(s) is going to open up and we'll get the full story of just how regular back room deals and bag men are; I'm not sure I really want to know, but it will be fascinating.


I'm not sure Wade is dirty, at least compared to his peers, he may just be the one to have been caught. I'd love to think otherwise, that he's one of a small handful of rogue players in the larger scheme, but that is likely just wishful thinking.
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Right thing? The right thing would have been to do this a long time ago, LSU is doing only what they have to because they've been left with no other choice in the matter. The smoking guns presented in the past few weeks don't allow them to pretend nothing happened.


At some point, you know a coach(s) is going to open up and we'll get the full story of just how regular back room deals and bag men are; I'm not sure I really want to know, but it will be fascinating.


I'm not sure Wade is dirty, at least compared to his peers, he may just be the one to have been caught. I'd love to think otherwise, that he's one of a small handful of rogue players in the larger scheme, but that is likely just wishful thinking.
This is a very odd take. Like saying many others steal from retail stores and don’t get caught so I should be able to steal. This idiot apparently broke a ton of NCAA regulations and probably laws. He should be kicked to the curb and made an example of.
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I think that's what he's saying though. He's wrong but not dirty. The dirty ones are so dirty that they don't get caught. They play the game better than anyone.
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This has probably got the powers that be at VCU interested in these events.
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I hope we’re going to extend AG’s contract after this season and bump his pay. I could see someone like LSU coming after him.
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I don't see AG leaving for anywhere for awhile so I'm not worried about it.
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I hope we’re going to extend AG’s contract after this season and bump his pay. I could see someone like LSU coming after him.
You can't be serious, AG is too clean for LSU.
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I hope we’re going to extend AG’s contract after this season and bump his pay. I could see someone like LSU coming after him.
He ain't leaving UD.
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I hope we’re going to extend AG’s contract after this season and bump his pay. I could see someone like LSU coming after him.
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I don't see AG leaving for anywhere for awhile so I'm not worried about it.
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He ain't leaving UD.
I am going out on a limb and say that Viperstick was joking. In case you did not know it, the LSU coach is in deep doo doo.
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The SEC is pretty much the cesspool of conferences. Why would AG ever want to go back?
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You can't be serious, AG is too clean for LSU.
Agreed. I think AG is too honest and has too much integrity for many of the P5 programs. And perhaps that may have been one factor in his having merely modest success when he was at Bama. He was too honest and moral to compete against the likes of Calipari, et al.
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The simple solution is to pay them after they're done playing, not before they enroll.

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The simple solution is to pay them after they're done playing, not before they enroll.

Ask Roosevelt...
This.

Get the NBA (and NFL) to drop their 1 year (3 year) rules.
No pay for student athletes. If you don't like the rules, don't go to college or don't play sports.
Athletes that decide to go to college - make a name for yourself and get as much as you can WHEN you go into the pros or get yourself an education.
Get the shoe and apparel (and other) companies out of the the college sponsorship business.
Less money coming into college athletics means less money for coaches and administrators. That's good.
College presidents and boards - do your job. Quit letting athletics run the show.

I believe that college athletics does not need all the extra hype that some feel needs to be generated.
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This.

Get the NBA (and NFL) to drop their 1 year (3 year) rules.
No pay for student athletes. If you don't like the rules, don't go to college or don't play sports.
Athletes that decide to go to college - make a name for yourself and get as much as you can WHEN you go into the pros or get yourself an education.
Get the shoe and apparel (and other) companies out of the the college sponsorship business.
Less money coming into college athletics means less money for coaches and administrators. That's good.
College presidents and boards - do your job. Quit letting athletics run the show.

I believe that college athletics does not need all the extra hype that some feel needs to be generated.
Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle already and I don't see anyone strong enough to put it back inside. The $'s are so intoxicating...
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Wade suspended indefinitely. LSU did the right thing IMHO. Interesting to see if Smart plays at Vandy tomorrow.

Fox Sports Clay Travis had interesting takes on Twitter. Thinks Wade is done at LSU.

You know why Wade was suspended?


Because he's not the football coach.
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ICYMI:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/s...sm-ruling.html

The time is right, the iron is hot. NBA is letting players go pro immediately. Next year the stakes go way down for paying a player (not eliminated).

Don't they understand that the NCAA will be just as popular if the top 25 athletes go straight to the pros?! If anything it might be more popular. The NCAA is not competing against the NBA. At all. Everyone knows if you want to see the greatest basketball players in the world you go to an NBA game. That will not change in any way. Make enforcement iron-clad.

There are ~325 DI teams. Each has ~12 scholarship athletes on average. That's 3,900 players. If the top 25 go straight to the NBA that's a reduction of 0.6%.

No one will even notice because it's the same difficulty as proving a universal negative: remember that AWESOME Kentucky team the year LeBron was a freshman? No? That's because he was never there. But you know what you do remember? _avier absolutely choking away a Final 4 Appearance and the 2003-2004 run by Ben Gordon and the UConn Huskies.
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Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle already and I don't see anyone strong enough to put it back inside. The $'s are so intoxicating...
You are probably right but now is the time to do it if it is to be done.

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ICYMI:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/s...sm-ruling.html

The time is right, the iron is hot. NBA is letting players go pro immediately. Next year the stakes go way down for paying a player (not eliminated).

Don't they understand that the NCAA will be just as popular if the top 25 athletes go straight to the pros?! If anything it might be more popular. The NCAA is not competing against the NBA. At all. Everyone knows if you want to see the greatest basketball players in the world you go to an NBA game. That will not change in any way. Make enforcement iron-clad.

There are ~325 DI teams. Each has ~12 scholarship athletes on average. That's 3,900 players. If the top 25 go straight to the NBA that's a reduction of 0.6%.

No one will even notice because it's the same difficulty as proving a universal negative: remember that AWESOME Kentucky team the year LeBron was a freshman? No? That's because he was never there. But you know what you do remember? _avier absolutely choking away a Final 4 Appearance and the 2003-2004 run by Ben Gordon and the UConn Huskies.
My feelings exactly. Even this year, fans didn't necessarily watch Duke v NC to see Zion Williamson. It was to see the fierce rivalry or like many of us, they turned it on hoping a brawl would break out and both teams suspended for the rest of the year (or longer). Hey, one can dream!
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You know why Wade was suspended?


Because he's not the football coach.
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I am going out on a limb and say that Viperstick was joking. In case you did not know it, the LSU coach is in deep doo doo.

I knew I'd get the reaction I did. I'm not joking.


I think Grant wants to be here, I think he's invested, and I think there's the potential that he'll be here for a very long time. But, he is a successful basketball coach who undoubtedly wants to compete at the highest level (we wouldn't have wanted him if he didn't feel this way). Can he do that here? I hope and think he can. Can he do that better at a P5 conference with which he's very familiar? Only AG can answer that.



Regardless, he's exceeded expectations this year and appears to have us on track for a couple more years at least. Let's show him some love and at the very least make it a tough pill for an LSU type of program to swallow.


...and yes, LSU is up proverbial Schise Creek without a paddle right now.
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Grant to LSU would be a terrible fit, kind of like Shaka Smart to Texas...
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Grant made a mistake at Alabama by not cleaning house his 1st year. This pushed his makeover back by several years and Alabama fans got restless. I'm glad he made that mistake, which he didn't repeat here, because if he hadn't, Dayton probably wouldn't have him. I also do not think he repeats the mistake of going to a bigger school.
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I knew I'd get the reaction I did. I'm not joking.


I think Grant wants to be here, I think he's invested, and I think there's the potential that he'll be here for a very long time. But, he is a successful basketball coach who undoubtedly wants to compete at the highest level (we wouldn't have wanted him if he didn't feel this way). Can he do that here? I hope and think he can. Can he do that better at a P5 conference with which he's very familiar? Only AG can answer that.



Regardless, he's exceeded expectations this year and appears to have us on track for a couple more years at least. Let's show him some love and at the very least make it a tough pill for an LSU type of program to swallow.


...and yes, LSU is up proverbial Schise Creek without a paddle right now.
Oh sure, make me look like a fool.

Maybe AG will want to take a step up but I don't think he will do so without first making sure the Flyer basketball program is set up to continue the pattern of success he will have established. With that, my hope that he fills his next coaching vacancy with someone on the younger side that can move up should he leave.
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Did you hear LSU fans on Saturday booing and chanting obscenities toward the AD who suspended head coach Will Wade and the player in question? Some messed up priorities.
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Did you hear LSU fans on Saturday booing and chanting obscenities toward the AD who suspended head coach Will Wade and the player in question? Some messed up priorities.
Win at all costs in the P5. It's only cheating if you get caught. LSU fans being like some fans at most places, mostly young and stupid.
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I really doubt AG goes anywhere. So long as he wins consistently (i.e., gets us to the Dance more often than not — three/four times out of every five years) and runs a clean program, I think he’ll retire here. My only caveat would be if the NBA comes calling. Highly unlikely, in my opinion, but about the only way I could see him leaving. Now, if he doesn’t win, there IS another way, but I hope that doesn’t happen.
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Grant to LSU would be a terrible fit, kind of like Shaka Smart to Texas...
Or like Chris Mack leaving his Alma Mater to go to troubled Louisville. We will all be worried at the end of every good season Grant has.
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Or like Chris Mack leaving his Alma Mater to go to troubled Louisville. We will all be worried at the end of every good season Grant has.
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AG already took his leap... this is mack's first. Maybe I'm nieve, but I won't be worried.
Not t mention AG is in his 50s. Mack isn’t far behind at 49, but his circumstances were very different.
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Wow, I thought I worried about silly things in life, but no chance of me being concerned about AG going to LSU, or pretty much any other school for the next several years minimum as his work here is not complete. My heart tells me AG is here till he retires in 20 years!
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So we are supposed to believe that Wade magically discovered cheating the day he took the LSU?
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More coaches getting caught up in this FBI investigation...

Creighton assistant Preston Murphy...allegedly accepted $6k in a Vegas hotel room from Dawkins on July 28, 2017.

former NCSU hc Mark Gottfried...allegedly made illegal payments of around $100k to a NCSU player's father.

TCU assistant Corey Barker...allegedly accepted $6k in a Vegas hotel room from Dawkins on July 28, 2017.




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I really doubt AG goes anywhere. So long as he wins consistently (i.e., gets us to the Dance more often than not — three/four times out of every five years) and runs a clean program, I think he’ll retire here. My only caveat would be if the NBA comes calling. Highly unlikely, in my opinion, but about the only way I could see him leaving. Now, if he doesn’t win, there IS another way, but I hope that doesn’t happen.
I agree that Grant has seen the other side that Miller is experiencing right now. Make some serious cash, live in a cheap place with great quality of life, and if you have a disappointing year or 2 you're not looking over your shoulder every time the AD walks near a microphone.

I'm not saying AG sleeps in until 10:00 every day, not at all. But it makes every bit of difference in the world to get up at 4:00 AM knowing you're working for your goals and not playing a bunch of political games just to survive another day.
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Murphy was previously an assistant at URI, IINM, the Michigan area is sort of one of his areas of recruiting expertise. Makes me wonder a bit if E.C. Matthews was induced by Murphy to sign with URI, perhaps Murphy just went rogue without Hurley's knowledge.
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I don't recall the connection, but there was a direct connection b/w EC Matthews and the URI coaching staff. I want to say it was Nate Oats, who was the coach at Romulus and eventually an assistant to bobby Hurley at Buffalo and now the head coach at Buffalo.


Plus, IIRC, Scooch declared to UD about a week prior to EC Matthews; I don't know if this is fact, but that always felt like a tipping point in UD's recruitment. EC Matthews could score, but I'll take Scooch every day of the week
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I don't recall the connection, but there was a direct connection b/w EC Matthews and the URI coaching staff. I want to say it was Nate Oats, who was the coach at Romulus and eventually an assistant to bobby Hurley at Buffalo and now the head coach at Buffalo.


Plus, IIRC, Scooch declared to UD about a week prior to EC Matthews; I don't know if this is fact, but that always felt like a tipping point in UD's recruitment. EC Matthews could score, but I'll take Scooch every day of the week
I thought it was Pierre that we got and EC went to URI?
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Perhaps it was Pierre, been too long. I'd take Pierre over EC Matthews as well
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Stop the press! Rich people buying their way into academic institutions...wow! If you are surprised by this you have been living under a rock.
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Here is the press conference . . .

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Georgetown is one of the schools involved. They should be kicked out of the Big East and replaced with . . . ?

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Stop the press! Rich people buying their way into academic institutions...wow! If you are surprised by this you have been living under a rock.
This is a bit different. Bribes are supposed to go to the school, not to individual coaches. And the students are supposed to be admitted with actual test scores. This one makes sense - the coaches are defrauding the school by not bringing in the best students and by using something that isn't theirs (the admissions slots) to enrich themselves (taking bribes).

On the other hand, if a booster gives money to an athlete or the athlete's family to persuade that athlete to go to a particular school - where is the crime? It's shady, and NCAA sanctions are appropriate, but criminal penalties are absurd*. The schools that he didn't attend had no "right" to his attendance in the first place. And he isn't depriving a more deserving student/athlete of a slot - he's so deserving that people literally want to pay him to go to a particular school.

* I'm still waiting for someone to make the case that jailtime for these things is not absurd.
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The crime is that a more deserving kid did not get in or get a scholarship
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I get that in these later cases. I'm talking about when you pay a kid to influence them to go somewhere. Where is the crime in that? NCAA violations, sure. But I see no crime.
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* I'm still waiting for someone to make the case that jailtime for these things is not absurd.

I'll give it a shot.



Is it a crime to pay someone in a way that breaks federal rules in order to enrich yourself or your company?


OK, I realize it's a stretch. But aren't the admissions standards governed by some federal laws as long as the schools accept federal grant money? If they violate those rules intentionally, and in a way that enriches themselves (higher share of NCAA tournament payout $$), could it be a crime?



How about if you're bidding for a government contract and you break the rules? I'm (definitely) not 100% sure, but those rules around how to submit a government contract are not laws, they are regulations or rules aren't they? But if you falsify documents you could be subject to serious penalties. Right?
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I'll try also, how are they recording the income for tax purposes?
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I'll try also, how are they recording the income for tax purposes?
Caught Capone with tax code.
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Caught Capone with tax code.
Such a shame, picking on a lowly antiques dealer.
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Auburn assistant coach Chuck Person to plead guilty to bribery charges.

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