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UD has to get back in the transfer game

Look at the NCAA Tourney

Loyola- PG Clayton Cluster. Ramblers best player and Missouri Valley Conference Player of the Year. Transfer from Iowa State

Nevada- All five starters are transfers. F Caleb Martin was the Mountain West Player of the Year. He and his twin brother Cody were NC State transfers.

UMBC- Jairus Lyles the star of the Virginia upset, transfer from VCU

Buffalo- Wes Clark the leading scorer in the win over Arizona transferred from Missouri

Gonzaga- Starts Missouri transfer Jonathan Williams who's their leading scorer and rebounder. Started 3 transfers on their national runner up team last year

New Mexico State- Our own AJ Harris was their starting PG and their first year coach landed Zach Lofton on grad transfer from Texas Southern who was the leading scorer in the WAC & a player of the year candidate.

And it's not just the non P5/BE schools

Clemson starts two transfers. Their best player and leading scorer Marcquise Reed who came from Robert Morris.

Kansas starts one transfer and has 3 sitting out.
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UD is looking at plenty of players and will get at least one...
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Old 03-19-2018, 09:38 AM
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Single biggest mistake of the Archie Miller era was him not taking one that would have been eligible this year. A Sibert/Cooke/Cunningham caliber guy on this years team would have blunted the loss of the four seniors
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Our leading scorer the last 7 years has been a transfer - I'm not sure we need to get "back in the game". I think we are already in it.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
Single biggest mistake of the Archie Miller era was him not taking one that would have been eligible this year. A Sibert/Cooke/Cunningham caliber guy on this years team would have blunted the loss of the four seniors

I bet he would have had he known he was going to stay at UD. Got a feeling AM knew well before the season ended with 4 departing seniors and a not-so-good junior-class-to-be that he was going to take another job...

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Our leading scorer the last 7 years has been a transfer - I'm not sure we need to get "back in the game". I think we are already in it.
none this year and that's 3 years without one. There's 1 on the roster
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When Archie interviewed for the head coaching job, he pointed out that UD was missing the growing trend with transfers. UD was not looking at that opportunity at the time.

He landed some great transfers. Not all were great, but enough like Jordan and Josh were outstanding.


The numbers of transfers remains high. Let’s see if Anthony can utilize transfers.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
Single biggest mistake of the Archie Miller era was him not taking one that would have been eligible this year. A Sibert/Cooke/Cunningham caliber guy on this years team would have blunted the loss of the four seniors
Based upon what we have seen and what has transpired (with AM players / recruits) I'm not sure what Archie was thinking or doing. If he had stayed on maybe maybe not they would have gelled into a good team. Better than 14-17 yea but 17-14 wasn't going to be a stellar team either.
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I bet he would have had he known he was going to stay at UD. Got a feeling AM knew well before the season ended with 4 departing seniors and a not-so-good junior-class-to-be that he was going to take another job...
So if AM knew all this fact, then the fall off on recruiting would be really all on him as head coach that he placed himself in that position or left it to someone else.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
none this year and that's 3 years without one. There's 1 on the roster
Depends how you count, and who you count. 2018 is yet to happen, so not fair to count it, but technically Matos is a transfer. 2017, no transfer, but Archie was not getting one, and Grant was too late to the party. 2016, no one, but only two schollies, Landers and Kostas. 2015, four schollies, and all filled. So really two years we chose four year players over transfers.

It is great to point out the few teams who have great success with transfers. And BTW, we forgot our favorite man bun and the best transfer, Rob Gray of Houston. However, the majority of good teams build their programs with four year players, with a sprinkling of transfers.

The position we are now in, we need one or two D1's right now, but it is early. If we get none, let the criticism start.

I think the one thing being pointed out is that it does not take 3 or 4 years to integrate a player into your system. KY and Duke are proving that. As they say, it is not brain surgery.
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JUCO transfer doesn't equal D1 transfer. D1 transfers you have some idea what they can do against division one competition because they actually played against it. That's the important distinction because you've got real clues as to what they can do versus projection with HS/JUCO guys.

Grant if the internet is to be believed looked at Frankie Hughes last year but passed on him.
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JUCO transfer doesn't equal D1 transfer. D1 transfers you have some idea what they can do against division one competition because they actually played against it. That's the important distinction because you've got real clues as to what they can do versus projection with HS/JUCO guys.

Grant if the internet is to be believed looked at Frankie Hughes last year but passed on him.
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If we're being fair to Archie, you'll realize that for a one season, being a transfer to UD wasn't ideal (for the player) do to the roster makeup, who wants to sit out a year, then potentially be on the bench behind Davis, Scooch, Pollard, Cunningham (who at that point hadn't played yet for UD but put up solid numbers as a frosh), Cooke, etc... Then Archie left for IU last offseason, and if we're being fair to CAG he likely didn't know the holes he had on his roster/recruiting in terms of personality and fit. He may have looked at transfers, but didn't see a fit or wasn't sure exactly what he had to work with.

Moving forward, CAG will show signs of how much interest he puts in the transfer market this off season, if UD is mentioned with a number of players (even if they don't end up here) then he'll likely keep looking that route, if UD is only mentioned in passing interest with a few, then that likely means that CAG would rather focus on the highschool, AAU, Prep and Juco routes.

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I heard on one of the broadcasts yesterday that the coach doesn't call it a redshirt year, he calls it a player development year. I think it was the Nevada coach. Sibert and Cooke definitely used it as such.
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One other thing about transfers, and maybe it's just me, but chemistry-wise it seemed Sanford and Sibert were better "fits" than Cooke.

I know we had "girlfriend-gate", but maybe the chemistry differential was also because Vee and Jordan came in believing they had something to prove to their old schools ("Hey, guys! You screwed-up! I CAN play!"), but Charles came in from a place where he was BMOC, and he tried to assume the same role here (with some resistance from those who committed to UD as frosh).

What does anyone else think? If there is such as thing as a "target market" for transfers, should we be looking more at P5 programs where, for whatever reason, a kid didn't get a chance to show what he can do? I know talent and chemistry come first, period, but within those variables, should we also be looking for guys who have nowhere to go but up, with something to prove?
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Every player is different. Vee and Jordan could have been considered broken goods. Jordan was in the OSU doghouse and had a technical problem with his outside shot. Vee has no playing time in two years at Georgetown. Vee is most famous for the OSU shot, but he had real trouble with other game ending situations, like Ole Miss.

Cooke had a real problem with his outside shot too. His problem was eyesight. UD helped improve his vision.

I would argue that every transfer like every recruit is a gamble. Each has a flaw or attitude that needs work.

Chemistry is an issue. I also thought that Scoochie, Kendall and Kyle had a bit of a clique going too. Felt sometimes like everyone outside of them did not mesh. This does not mean that Charles blended real well.
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The really great teams build their programs with one year players....just sayjng.
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The really great teams build their programs with one year players....just sayjng.
We had two guys this year that are going pro after one year. So we're well on our way.
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One other thing about transfers, and maybe it's just me, but chemistry-wise it seemed Sanford and Sibert were better "fits" than Cooke.

I know we had "girlfriend-gate", but maybe the chemistry differential was also because Vee and Jordan came in believing they had something to prove to their old schools ("Hey, guys! You screwed-up! I CAN play!"), but Charles came in from a place where he was BMOC, and he tried to assume the same role here (with some resistance from those who committed to UD as frosh).

What does anyone else think? If there is such as thing as a "target market" for transfers, should we be looking more at P5 programs where, for whatever reason, a kid didn't get a chance to show what he can do? I know talent and chemistry come first, period, but within those variables, should we also be looking for guys who have nowhere to go but up, with something to prove?

The "target market" should be any kid that can help us to the tournament without embarrassing the university.

As to Cooke, I think AG was quoted at his introductory press conference as saying he would never ever take a kid that would be a starter on tournament teams every year he was here, play thru injuries, and get into the NBA the year after he leaves. I'll have to see if I can find it.

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I bet he would have had he known he was going to stay at UD. Got a feeling AM knew well before the season ended with 4 departing seniors and a not-so-good junior-class-to-be that he was going to take another job...
This suggests that AM was gone regardless, willing to take just about any other job in a lateral move - just because the junior class to be was not that attractive.

If the Indiana job doesn't open, Archie probably stays, perhaps gives NC State a sniff. What was left on UD's roster had NOTHING to do with Archie leaving. It's the freaking Indiana job, one that was written into his contract as a job he could leave for w/out buyout penalty.

Now if Archie had left to take a job like Iowa State or Clemson, then yeah I could give the remaining roster argument merit.
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Good thread about UD JUCO's and transfers through the years.

I could only think of a few UD JUCO's.



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This suggests that AM was gone regardless, willing to take just about any other job in a lateral move - just because the junior class to be was not that attractive.

If the Indiana job doesn't open, Archie probably stays, perhaps gives NC State a sniff. What was left on UD's roster had NOTHING to do with Archie leaving. It's the freaking Indiana job, one that was written into his contract as a job he could leave for w/out buyout penalty.

Now if Archie had left to take a job like Iowa State or Clemson, then yeah I could give the remaining roster argument merit.
And he could have easily also left even in the later stages with the OSU job opening up as he easily is in the top 2 for that job even before an interview. What was "leaving" had everything to do with Archie leaving. There are good jobs open every year. Some better than others and some years' jobs better than other years. No different than Danny Hurley.Get out of Dodge on a real high. The difference is RI has some darn good players coming back.

You think Archie's a schmuck here? He lost Big Steve, 4 starting seniors, was very frustrated finishing as a bridesmaid to many higher ranked players and, clearly, a junior class with at least a couple players either under-performing or simply just not good enough. Couple that with a new freshman class and who wants to take their bumps and bruises, speaking mildly, for a season or two when they're clearly ready for a big time job with big $$.
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And he could have easily also left even in the later stages with the OSU job opening up as he easily is in the top 2 for that job even before an interview. What was "leaving" had everything to do with Archie leaving. There are good jobs open every year. Some better than others and some years' jobs better than other years. No different than Danny Hurley.Get out of Dodge on a real high. The difference is RI has some darn good players coming back.

You think Archie's a schmuck here? He lost Big Steve, 4 starting seniors, was very frustrated finishing as a bridesmaid to many higher ranked players and, clearly, a junior class with at least a couple players either under-performing or simply just not good enough. Couple that with a new freshman class and who wants to take their bumps and bruises, speaking mildly, for a season or two when they're clearly ready for a big time job with big $$.
I'm not really sure what you're saying hear, other than outlining the circumstances, again.

Do you believe AM was gone after last year, regardless, as long as there was a P5 job with big time $$? I simply don't believe that. It was going to take the right job, most likely one of those jobs/schools he had listed in his contract.
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JUCO - The Sudan Swatter Makor Shayok! To someone else's point earlier that judging JUCO talent is not easy, he was highly regarded out of San Jacinto CC and was not much to write home about except for some decent rebounding games. He was a really nice guy (lived across the street from me at UD) but was probably the start of the JOB disaster.
Not much to write home about?! I could have gone without Makor Shayok spotting up for three, but I could write all day of my love for that hook shot.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER View Post
I'm not really sure what you're saying hear, other than outlining the circumstances, again.

Do you believe AM was gone after last year, regardless, as long as there was a P5 job with big time $$? I simply don't believe that. It was going to take the right job, most likely one of those jobs/schools he had listed in his contract.
I believe he was waiting for the OSU job, mainly, and thinking that job would be open now and not a year ago. Nobody can answer had AM not taken the IU job and had OSU opened up like it did if he would have left although I believe he would have taken it. Again, he was losing the top 1-2 senior classes in UD history with very little leadership/production coming back and he was already coming off of 1st round NCAA losses. Throw a 15-18 win season following back-to-back NCAA losses and his name doesn't illuminate quite as much...
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Since we are speculating I am wondering if he would have left after their junior seasons if the OSU or Indiana job had come open even though he supposedly promised them he would stay until they graduated. I say he would have been gone. The timing of those jobs coming open couldn't have been better for him, and he didn't have to break a promise.
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He would have been gone if one of those jobs opened up earlier, but the Crean firing was no surprise. I knew it was coming a for over a year (barring a miracle) so I am sure AM did. I don't believe he was waiting for OSU. Now if it had come open, and Indiana was solid with their coach, yes, he probably would have taken it. Basketball is king at Indiana and that matters to AM. Someone at my table at his Monday night radio show went up to him during a commercial break and asked why he didn't consider the Florida job. His answer, "too much football".
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Longtime, Lifelong and Steve:

Thanks for your responses and perspective - always helps when speculating.

Yes, I think he would have left for tOSU job if the IU job had not opened last year and tOSU job opened under the same timing and circumstances. I think our board would have been very critical of such a departure, probably 100 times worse than the few here who prefer to attack his character and promise re: staying here "forever".

Yes, I think he would have left after the junior year of Scooch, KP, KD and CC if the same job(s) had opened - ie tOSU or IU.

Look, there's a reason that he had a few schools/jobs in his contract that he could leave for w/out a buyout. That's a statement that says 'Hey, I'm committed to you guys. IF one of these jobs opens up and IF they're interested in me, then all bets are off." As the athletic director at the University of Dayton, I suspect I would be obliged by those terms. If IU and/or tOSU or whoever else he had on his protected list were coveting our coach, then we're doing something right and most likely winning.....a lot.
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Longtime, Lifelong and Steve:

Thanks for your responses and perspective - always helps when speculating.

Yes, I think he would have left for tOSU job if the IU job had not opened last year and tOSU job opened under the same timing and circumstances. I think our board would have been very critical of such a departure, probably 100 times worse than the few here who prefer to attack his character and promise re: staying here "forever".

Yes, I think he would have left after the junior year of Scooch, KP, KD and CC if the same job(s) had opened - ie tOSU or IU.

Look, there's a reason that he had a few schools/jobs in his contract that he could leave for w/out a buyout. That's a statement that says 'Hey, I'm committed to you guys. IF one of these jobs opens up and IF they're interested in me, then all bets are off." As the athletic director at the University of Dayton, I suspect I would be obliged by those terms. If IU and/or tOSU or whoever else he had on his protected list were coveting our coach, then we're doing something right and most likely winning.....a lot.

To keep this going, would we have been better off if Archie had left a year earlier?
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To keep this going, would we have been better off if Archie had left a year earlier?
I feel like we would have been better off for 2017/2018, but I am not so sure about 2016/2017.

One school of thought would be that team was so veteran laden, it could have run itself, assuming AG (or other new coach) didn't mess with too much. You wouldn't think he wouldn't, given the success we'd had and what was returning.

We got a 7 seed in the tourney, but if you recall, there was a fair share of "sky is falling" posters who were concerned whether we'd even get in. Point being, it's tough to determine how much our margin for error was that year for still getting in the dance. In retrospect, it could have been a couple of games, maybe as many as 3 depending on who the wins/losses were against. Who knows, perhaps we get in as a 10 seed that year and make some different noise.
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