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Old 03-27-2018, 12:51 PM
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MACK to Louisville - WLW - Radio Reports

Heard it on the radio that X is losing a coach ... announcement scheduled for tomorrow ... Mack (in yo' face with a basketball) is moving on.

If true we get a change to once again see how X responds with hiring a new coach. Do they stay inside? Go get someone really new? What does the program look like in year 1? Year 2?

Could we compare it to UD not exactly year to year match but results and operation their year 1 vs our year 1?

We shall wait to see if the reports are true

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Old 03-27-2018, 12:54 PM
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My guess is that Travis Steele will take over.
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 View Post
Heard it on the radio that X is losing a coach ... announcement scheduled for tomorrow ... Mack (in yo' face with a basketball) is moving on.

If true we get a change to once again see how X responds with hiring a new coach. Do they stay inside? Go get someone really new? What does the program look like in year 1? Year 2?

Could we compare it to UD not exactly year to year match but results and operation their year 1 vs our year 1?

We shall wait to see if the reports are true

and how many X recruits follow...and how many current players transfer...and how many current players don't buy in to the new guy (X and 'Ville)....and so on and so on and so on...
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and how many X recruits follow...and how many current players transfer...and how many current players don't buy in to the new guy (X and 'Ville)....and so on and so on and so on...
I'd venture to say very very few hiccups at all. they've only gone thru this around 4-5 times with hardly a wave..
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Proving again that you can't win a national title at Xavier. Or even make a Final 4.
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As much as this pains us

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Proving again that you can't win a national title at Xavier. Or even make a Final 4.
Since the 2004-2005 thru the 2016-2017 season they have been to NCAA 11 times (out of 13). Of those 11 times they have 2 E8's and 4 S16's.

At the moment and until we UD flyer fans get tried of that kind of record I'd say I'm all for what they accomplished even knowing that we wouldn't make either national title or final FOUR.

As much as what I just said pains me deeply, I feel sick to my stomach

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I'd venture to say very very few hiccups at all. they've only gone thru this around 4-5 times with hardly a wave..
That doesn't predict future possible issues. Every new hire is as unique as the personalities involved at the time.
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Isn't this a different AD then hired all of X's great past coaches? If so it will be interesting to see if he can keep up the good hiring.
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:28 PM
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That doesn't predict future possible issues. Every new hire is as unique as the personalities involved at the time.
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Point is they have a very good grasp on transitioning especially with promoting within. Proof is in their success.The advantage they have now as compared to years past is that X is a much larger brand name and a better basketball program than at anytime in their history so should they decide to go outside their program to hire the list of names will be very successful coaches...
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Several things to consider for them.

1) this is a new AD, Mike Bobinski left for GTech so their connection to the past isn't the driving force today (for better or worse)

2) Edmund Summers showed up on the list of names that was linked. The amount he was given was small, and the way it was presented doesn't even indicate if Xavier/Mack had a direct involvement, it made it appear like it was an agent, not the university or a booster, however it may give the powers that be at X second thoughts about promoting from within; they may want a clean slate "just in case"

3) they have great fan support and are at or near the top of the Big East in terms of facilities, its a much more desirable job today than it was the last time they replaced a coach; they will have no shortcomings of people interested in the gig.

4) Pitino has been out the entire basketball season and everyone knew Mack was someone they would likely consider. If X's AD is worth his salt, he's already known who his primary replacements were going to be and if they would return the interest; I expect they'll have a replacement in order quickly.
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I would rather be a 1 seed and not advance as hoped in the NCAA tournament than be a team that did not make any post season tournament.

X is no longer a rival, so the only thing that interests me is UD developing a program that is in the hunt for getting into and advancing in the NCAA every year.

How can UD develop a brand that is more than just Archie Miller or Anthony Grant? That is the challenge...

I hope than Anthony's recruiting this summer helps set the program back on that path.
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Originally Posted by st marys View Post
Isn't this a different AD then hired all of X's great past coaches? If so it will be interesting to see if he can keep up the good hiring.
IIRC? True. Bobinski went down to Georgia Tech at around the same time BG left us to coach the Jackets. So, he was in charge when they selected Mack (and possibly S. Miller). Different regimes = different methods = different results.

Not expecting the wheels to fall off at X, but:
-Neither did Georgetown when JTII retired,
-Neither did St. John's when Looie retired,

Etc., etc. And those were programs that did make the Final Four, back in the day.
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Proving again that you can't win a national title at Xavier. Or even make a Final 4.
I said this about 10 years ago re: the Final Four, that I'd never see XU or Dayton in the FF. I am going to back off this sentiment........for now.
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If Xavier is smart, they'll hire Ray Harper.
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Xavier will be fine. I’m not so sure about Louisville. Mack is a pretty good recruiter but not a great coach in my opinion. I think he’s more likely to fall well short of Louisville’s expectations and fired in 3 years. But he’ll get to cash those checks either way.
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Louisville hires Chris Mack as new men's basketball coach

https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ach/418999002/
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Probably very very very few and mainly just limited to the ones that "clicked" on the thread and the ones that sent a reply...Thoughts?
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Probably very very very few and mainly just limited to the ones that "clicked" on the thread and the ones that sent a reply...Thoughts?
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It's not so much about Mack ... it's about seeing how X transitions (once again) compared to UD. We seem to transition like a new tire with a flat spot (a rather large flat spot maybe about 90-120 degrees of the 360 total).

X has seen hardly a flat spot on their successful transition over many iterations. UD not so much.

So we know for at least this year UD has hit that flat spot ... will it last thru next season? Don' know.

Next year we can see what that dam program south of here does THIS TIME.

The way you gather information on how to succeed you use successful models / examples ... we shall see what the future brings and if we can learn anything from it? Don' know.
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Since the 2004-2005 thru the 2016-2017 season they have been to NCAA 11 times (out of 13). Of those 11 times they have 2 E8's and 4 S16's.
That's nice.

Loyola has made a Final 4 twice with a National Title in there. This is Loyola that has only been to the NCAAs 6 times over the lifetime of the NCAA tournament.

VCU has made a Final 4.
George Mason has.
Butler has made 2.
We have.

Xavier still hasn't. They were a 1 this year and a 2 two years ago and couldn't make it past the Second Round. It's a gotdang shame.
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Wow. Good thing that AG is a UD alumini, if not, I'd be scared that X would lure him away rather than hire from within.
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IIRC? True. Bobinski went down to Georgia Tech at around the same time BG left us to coach the Jackets. So, he was in charge when they selected Mack (and possibly S. Miller). Different regimes = different methods = different results.

Not expecting the wheels to fall off at X, but:
-Neither did Georgetown when JTII retired,
-Neither did St. John's when Looie retired,

Etc., etc. And those were programs that did make the Final Four, back in the day.
Bobinski hired Matta and Mack, Miss Dawn Rogers hired Miller.

The current AD was previously the AD at Bowling Green, I do not know what his hiring history is.

I did not think that Mack would leave, I am very surprised. His kids can't be happy, I feel very bad for the kids that get uprooted in these situations.

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Bobinski hired Matta and Mack, Miss Dawn Rogers hired Miller.

The current AD was previously the AD at Bowling Green, I do not know what his hiring history is.

I did not think that Mack would leave, I am very surprised. His kids can't be happy, I feel very bad for the kids that get uprooted in these situations.
Ohhh, the Dawn Rogers era. I can't recall the specifics, something about doing the nasty in the weight room with a strength trainer and Justin Doellman walked in.

I too sympathize with the kids. But these types of decisions are made at all levels of professional industries, not just sports which tends to be very public.
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Bobinski hired Matta and Mack, Miss Dawn Rogers hired Miller.

The current AD was previously the AD at Bowling Green, I do not know what his hiring history is.

I did not think that Mack would leave, I am very surprised. His kids can't be happy, I feel very bad for the kids that get uprooted in these situations.
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No news here . . . Zavier is just a run of the mill stepping stone program. Let's talk about Maui!
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I wonder if the coach of an NCAA tourney #1 seed has ever left for a “better opportunity?” What an insult to his alma mater!
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Poor _avier. I cannot express how much their bad news hurts me.
I think I need a rag to clean-up the sarcasm that dripped from this post.
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Ohhh, the Dawn Rogers era. I can't recall the specifics, something about doing the nasty in the weight room with a strength trainer and Justin Doellman walked in...
Never heard any of that, so Google became my best friend for about 20 minutes. Couldn't find anything confirmed, but the rumors from about 10-12 years ago say pretty much the same thing. She was rumored to be, um, "exercising" with the X strength coach, and was quickly and quietly forced to resign, with no questions asked and no answers given.

Her career hasn't yet fully recovered from that rumored indiscretion. I will give the school credit for taking swift action in a situation that (if true) unquestionably compromised her credibility (not to mention her morals) as the senior athletics official for the university.

And now, Mack is going to a program with morals issues of its own. You just can't make this stuff up!
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Bill Frieder, hc Michigan, #1 seed in 1985, left for Arizona State in 1989.

Also, BF's alma mater was Michigan.

This is a very similar situation in that regard.

This is a blow to Xavier's ego though IMO. An alumnus leaves a week or so after leading you to a #1 seed, that is a gut punch.
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Bill Self also did it, he lead Illinois to a #1 seed in 2001 and left for Kansas in 2003.

The NCAA only started seeding the NCAAT in 1978.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA...and_statistics:

The process of seeding was first used in 1978 for automatically qualified (Q) and at-large (L) teams respectively, and then for all teams within their respective region in 1979.

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I cannot deny that this gives me great pleasure. Number one seed that crashed and burned in the first weekend. Then Mack jumps ship.

His legacy is the awful way he handled that UC brawl. I always thought he was an embarrassment to that program, but they sold their souls long ago. He will fit at U of L nicely.
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He also is making a heavy run at southern Indiana guard, Romeo Langford, who is the top unsigned HS player. Archie would be crushed, as he and Kansas have been considered the favorites. Langford lives a few mile from UofL.
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Um ... UD & X recruit against each other.
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Um ... UD & X recruit against each other.
Um...Do they really?

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He also is making a heavy run at southern Indiana guard, Romeo Langford, who is the top unsigned HS player. Archie would be crushed, as he and Kansas have been considered the favorites. Langford lives a few mile from UofL.
Don't count Vanderbilt out. He recently completed a visit to Vanderbilt and his best friend has signed a loi to attend Vanderbilt.
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Bill Frieder, hc Michigan, #1 seed in 1985, left for Arizona State in 1989.

Also, BF's alma mater was Michigan.

This is a very similar situation in that regard.

This is a blow to Xavier's ego though IMO. An alumnus leaves a week or so after leading you to a #1 seed, that is a gut punch.
Also goes to prove that, no matter how successful the BE is on the basketball court, they still can't compete with the football power schools when it comes to money, prestige, etc.

The best any non-P5 school can hope for is to hire one of its own, and have enough success to bring pride to the university, but not so much that the coach becomes the target of a perennial P5 basketball power. We experienced it last year, with a coach who had no roots at UD. X is experiencing it this year with a "true blue Muskie".

We'll see how their program handles the transition. My hope is that they come back to earth, but don't crash and burn.
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It's like Chris Mack just threw a baseball pass inbound right into the face of the Xavier basketball program while they were standing just 5 feet away. I want to watch it in slow motion over and over again.
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Also goes to prove that, no matter how successful the BE is on the basketball court, they still can't compete with the football power schools when it comes to money, prestige, etc.

The best any non-P5 school can hope for is to hire one of its own, and have enough success to bring pride to the university, but not so much that the coach becomes the target of a perennial P5 basketball power. We experienced it last year, with a coach who had no roots at UD. X is experiencing it this year with a "true blue Muskie".

We'll see how their program handles the transition. My hope is that they come back to earth, but don't crash and burn.
Yes, but it depends. Louisville is a top program, paying top dollar, in his wife's hometown. Most of the P5 schools would not have lured Mack.
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We'll see how their program handles the transition. My hope is that they come back to earth, but don't crash and burn.
Why wouldn't you want them to crash and burn?
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Why wouldn't you want them to crash and burn?
It's tempting, but I'm not all that vindictive of a person. I'd settle for them to come down to a level where, if we make the NCAA or NIT 6 out of 7 years, and they make the NCAA or NIT 3 or 4 out of 7 years, I'd be fairly happy. Just so we have the upper hand once again, as we did for most of the 60's, 70's, and 80's.
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Yes, but it depends. Louisville is a top program, paying top dollar, in his wife's hometown. Most of the P5 schools would not have lured Mack.
True. But Archie (who had no prior connection to UD) waited until the right opportunity came knocking before he jumped to IU. Many of the P5 schools were of no interest to Archie, either (even though I'm sure some wanted him between 2014-16).
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Why wouldn't you want them to crash and burn?
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It's tempting, but I'm not all that vindictive of a person. I'd settle for them to come down to a level where, if we make the NCAA or NIT 6 out of 7 years, and they make the NCAA or NIT 3 or 4 out of 7 years, I'd be fairly happy. Just so we have the upper hand once again, as we did for most of the 60's, 70's, and 80's.

It's not being vindictive it's being a superfan. I want _avier to lose every game and never make another NCAA Tournament.

I don't want them to crash and burn either.....i want them to do whatever is worse.
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It's not being vindictive it's being a superfan. I want _avier to lose every game and never make another NCAA Tournament.

I don't want them to crash and burn either.....i want them to do whatever is worse.
Probably burning, then crashing.
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Mack declares that Louisville will be his last stop.

Ha, ha, ha, ha..........!
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Mack declares that Louisville will be his last stop.

Ha, ha, ha, ha..........!
I don't think that is so funny. He may be planning on retiring early.
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Mack declares that Louisville will be his last stop.

Ha, ha, ha, ha..........!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Matta said the same thing when he took the Ohio State job: this is the summit, I have reached the top, this is what I've always wanted, etc.

Louisville will only be Mack's last stop if he doesn't eventually get fired. If he gets fired, he may be out hunting for another job, just like Matta.
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Mack declares that Louisville will be his last stop.

Ha, ha, ha, ha..........!
Did the hookers make him say that??
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Probably burning, then crashing.
I suppose hoping that a couple of their engines flame-out so they have to pull a “Sully” in the Ohio River isn’t really all that vindictive of a thought.
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I don't think that is so funny. He may be planning on retiring early.
The question is, will he retire, or will the NCAA (or the UofL) retire him?
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He also is making a heavy run at southern Indiana guard, Romeo Langford, who is the top unsigned HS player. Archie would be crushed, as he and Kansas have been considered the favorites. Langford lives a few mile from UofL.
From what I've heard, the Indiana coach is staking his program on landing this kid.
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If you are being recruited by Kansas and Indiana, and you are paying attention to college basketball this year, which school would you pick? I have no inside information, but I'm guessing Indiana is currently in third place for his services. We will know soon. I hope he stays local, but I would bet against it.
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From what I've heard, the Indiana coach is staking his program on landing this kid.
Who's coaching the Hoosiers these days? I don't believe they made the N.I.T right?
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Who's coaching the Hoosiers these days? I don't believe they made the N.I.T right?
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Yes and one could make a good argument that coach is responsible for keeping both schools out.
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You could make an argument, but it probably wouldn't make a winning argument.

If I am reading this post correctly, it's an assertion that Archie Miller is responsible for both IU and UD not making the tournament(s)?

I believe that would be an unfair and unreasonable argument.
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You could make an argument, but it probably wouldn't make a winning argument.

If I am reading this post correctly, it's an assertion that Archie Miller is responsible for both IU and UD not making the tournament(s)?

I believe that would be an unfair and unreasonable argument.
Any argument of that sort is simply conjecture at this point. But I think it's fair to say that AM left the cupboard at UD more bare than it had been in years, when you look at how much playing time left in the persons of Smith, Cooke, Pollard, and K. Davis. Now, that said, I think the blame for IU not making the postseason needs to partially lay with Crean as well as Miller, for a similar reason.

Suffice to say: neither program performed to its potential in 2017-18, and both programs are hoping for (or expecting) rebounds next season.
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The purpose of this thread is to bash Chris Mack - not Archie Miller or Anthony Grant.
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Any argument of that sort is simply conjecture at this point. But I think it's fair to say that AM left the cupboard at UD more bare than it had been in years, when you look at how much playing time left in the persons of Smith, Cooke, Pollard, and K. Davis. Now, that said, I think the blame for IU not making the postseason needs to partially lay with Crean as well as Miller, for a similar reason.

Suffice to say: neither program performed to its potential in 2017-18, and both programs are hoping for (or expecting) rebounds next season.
On the other hand it's possible that both teams did play up to their potential. And results of that were not all that pleasing to the fans of each team. Although many fans of both teams did realize that '17-'18 was going to be difficult. Agree that X and Pierce were major disapointments though.
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On the other hand it's possible that both teams did play up to their potential. And results of that were not all that pleasing to the fans of each team. Although many fans of both teams did realize that '17-'18 was going to be difficult. Agree that X and Pierce were major disapointments though.
I don’t think our entire team played up to its potential last season, but I think the guys who saw the most regular minutes (DD, Josh, TL, Jalen, JD, & MS) generally gave about as much as they could. If others had made more consistent, positive contributions, I think we could have won anywhere from 3 to 5 more games. But that’s about the best we could have hoped for, given the talent drain that followed the 2016-17 season.

My point, though, is that the UD program had established itself between 2014 & 2017 as a regular threat to earn an NCAA tournament invite. Anything less than that is below the program’s potential. Similarly, IU is regularly among the top 10 nationally in attendance. Those folks to the west take their basketball very seriously. Anything less than regular Sweet Sixteen appearances is considered below the IU program’s potential.

That was more my point. Long-term program potential vs. the potential of a particular team in a particular season.
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Did you know that Mack said no to IU, and Ohio State last year ; he knew the U OF L job was his. More money, bigger area, better league, and the job he wanted.
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Did you know that Mack said no to IU, and Ohio State last year ; he knew the U OF L job was his. More money, bigger area, better league, and the job he wanted.
And a huge factor, his wife's hometown.
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The first shoe just fell at X, as Evan Boudreaux is transferring to Purdue.
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Boudreaux chose Purdue before x named a head coach.
https://www.jconline.com/story/sport...ent/470385002/

There is an article in 'The Athletic" which claims to explain his decision to drop x and go to Purdue, I don't have a subscription so not sure what it says.
https://theathletic.com/296481/2018/...er-for-purdue/
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Boudreaux chose Purdue before x named a head coach.
https://www.jconline.com/story/sport...ent/470385002/

There is an article in 'The Athletic" which claims to explain his decision to drop x and go to Purdue, I don't have a subscription so not sure what it says.
https://theathletic.com/296481/2018/...er-for-purdue/
I do have The Athletic, and read it before I made the post on his transfer. Bordreaux does not really say, but implies the uncertainty of success of the X program moving forward pushed him to a better Purdue team, and the guy who recruited him when he signed with X. These kids want instant success, not success for their school after they graduate.

Interesting that he said that Mack called him, and worked hard to get him to Louisville, but he felt his playing time was blocked there by two great forwards. Mack is further scum for making that call.
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This is the thing that worries me a bit about UD and grad transfers. Most of these kids are looking for one final shot at glory and I doubt anyone looking at UD at this moment would see that moment there. Not to say we won't have a good year, no one knows at the moment. But it's a lot easier for a grad transfer to look at Purdue, Louisville, X, and any other school and be able to greatly assess their potential role on a team and the team's potential to make the tournament etc next year. That probably does not play into UDs favor at the moment.
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This is the thing that worries me a bit about UD and grad transfers. Most of these kids are looking for one final shot at glory and I doubt anyone looking at UD at this moment would see that moment there. Not to say we won't have a good year, no one knows at the moment. But it's a lot easier for a grad transfer to look at Purdue, Louisville, X, and any other school and be able to greatly assess their potential role on a team and the team's potential to make the tournament etc next year. That probably does not play into UDs favor at the moment.
No doubt. Best chance is a local (to Dayton) kid that wants to play in front of family and friends for his last year. This is another area where the coaching change hurt. It would be easier for a grad transfer to believe Archie's staff that last year was an anomaly and that UD will be back in the mix this year.
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Like the article said with Evan he didn't want to go to Louisville because of the roster. I think their path to playing time is a big factor with many of them
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I do have The Athletic, and read it before I made the post on his transfer. Bordreaux does not really say, but implies the uncertainty of success of the X program moving forward pushed him to a better Purdue team, and the guy who recruited him when he signed with X. These kids want instant success, not success for their school after they graduate.

Interesting that he said that Mack called him, and worked hard to get him to Louisville, but he felt his playing time was blocked there by two great forwards. Mack is further scum for making that call.
How common is this type of poaching among coaches? Some do it, some do not.
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How common is this type of poaching among coaches? Some do it, some do not.
My speculation is that it's more common than not, particularly with recruits that might be "on the fence" given the coach's departure and/or recruits whose main connection was with that head coach.

It's kind of a shame that it's the nature of this business, where the coaches seem to hold all of the cards and have little liability or restrictions. At least now, the players (recruits only) usually get released from their LOI when the coach leaves.
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How common is this type of poaching among coaches? Some do it, some do not.
If you ain't doing it then you ain't working hard enough. You get the best absolute players you can that fit team play and, hopefully, team chemistry.
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