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Old 01-07-2017, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
Opening 5 minutes last night Kyle went up with the right hand on a reverse layup.
...but he missed it

He made his previous right-handed lay up in early December after Archie announced on radio that Kyle never took a right-handed shot
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According to AM on his radio show, CC practiced for about an hour today and plan is to go "full bore" tomorrow. Assuming no setbacks, he's back.
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Here is the link to his radio interview this afternoon.
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Originally Posted by Bill202 View Post
...but he missed it

He made his previous right-handed lay up in early December after Archie announced on radio that Kyle never took a right-handed shot
Russell Westbrook...same deal. Right hand non grata...
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According to AM on his radio show, CC practiced for about an hour today and plan is to go "full bore" tomorrow. Assuming no setbacks, he's back.
That is really good news. We have been playing great but need a guy like Cooke - another go-to weapon.
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Dayton's Charles Cooke (lower back) will play tonight against UMass, per a school spokesman.
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Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 3m3 minutes ago

Dayton's Charles Cooke (lower back) will play tonight against UMass, per a school spokesman.
I hope he let's the game come to him, and doesn't try to make up for lost time thinking he needs to score 50. But I am optimistic and encouraged by the news. I think he'll have a solid game tonight.
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I hope he let's the game come to him, and doesn't try to make up for lost time thinking he needs to score 50. But I am optimistic and encouraged by the news. I think he'll have a solid game tonight.
I hope he doesn't try to defy gravity again when he drives to the basket because nothing good happens when you land hard and we need him healthy and everyone else for the stretch run in the A-10!
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I hope he doesn't try to defy gravity again when he drives to the basket because nothing good happens when you land hard and we need him healthy and everyone else for the stretch run in the A-10!
Nothing like a little negative reinforcement to change a bad habit.
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I noticed UMass bigs foul with great frequency. Just looking at stats I would think they rotate them in and out to pound the hell out of post players and guards driving the lane. I hope we come out of this healthy, especially with their mountain of a man at Center - 6'11 320?!
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Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.
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Wonder where the injuries stand?

I gotta assume Darrell is 100%, Charles is close if not 100%, Kendall is basically there.

Most importantly where is Kyle? And is Josh on track still for the best case of mid-February?
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Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.
Baloney. 3 games is not a representative sample, against different teams, venues, a game without DD. Too many variables to draw a conclusion.
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The other thing is that CC is the best at creating his own shot. It is expected that he will be assisted less than anyone else and therefore average assists will go down.
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Originally Posted by LIBob View Post
Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.
I agree, but, I would also note that Cooke is the guy on the team most capable of creating his own shot. That's a kind way of saying that outside of SS nobody else on the team CAN create a shot in the flow of the offense. So we MUST pass the ball around to create a shot or the possession ends in a TO or a bad shot.

It would be interesting to know how many points per possession and the FG% without him in there. I think those complementary stats would help round out the story. My guess? We score less and turn the ball over more without him. But I could be wrong.
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no matter the stats, its a 3 game sample size and way too small to judge anything off with certainty. To my eye, the ball definently moved better without him in there vs St Bonnies and Rhody, but was that a function of the game that would have been the same if Charles was in there or not? I have no clue. It also should be noted that this team has seen several very altered versions of itself:

There was the team w/o Pollard but with Josh for 2 games, then the team w/o either Pollard or Josh for several games, then the team w/ Pollard, but no Josh while pollard was rounding into form for 2 games, then a stretch of games with Pollard looking 100% but scoochie struggling, then the team with Scoochie clicking and Cooke hurt, and now perhaps finally vs Duquesne, a team with everyone outside of Cunningham as healthy as their going to be (we'll see about Kyle moving forward for the next few) and playing at a high level offensively (namely Cooke, Scoochie & Sir Kendall).

While we tend to only focus in on the Flyers, that is probably a fairly normal type of seasons for many college basketball teams, kids miss a handful of games in the middle the season, kids go thru slumps, etc.. plus the opponent changes every game, taking any 3 game sample and putting too much weight into it can be fool's gold.

what I'd really like to see by mid February is to see what this team looks like with everyone healthy (including Josh) and relatively performing at a high level. Seems like there is great potential, equal to if not better than what we saw at the start of last season before team chemistry was thrown out the window and everything fell apart.
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Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.
It shows the assist/FG % change, for sure.

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Baloney. 3 games is not a representative sample, against different teams, venues, a game without DD. Too many variables to draw a conclusion.
I agree, the sample size is too small.

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The other thing is that CC is the best at creating his own shot. It is expected that he will be assisted less than anyone else and therefore average assists will go down.
This is a very interesting point in the matter.

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I agree, but, I would also note that Cooke is the guy on the team most capable of creating his own shot. That's a kind way of saying that outside of SS nobody else on the team CAN create a shot in the flow of the offense. So we MUST pass the ball around to create a shot or the possession ends in a TO or a bad shot.

It would be interesting to know how many points per possession and the FG% without him in there. I think those complementary stats would help round out the story. My guess? We score less and turn the ball over more without him. But I could be wrong.
For the year, Cooke has played in 26,038 seconds of game time, leaving 14,762 seconds with him not on the court.

With Cooke on the court, the team shoots 46.8% FG, with a 2/3pt split of 54.5/34.6.
With Cooke not on the court, the team shoots 45.3% FG, with a 2/3pt split of 48.1/40.6.

With Cooke shooting 38.6% from 3pt range, the rest of the team shoots 33.3% when he's on the court, but 40.6% when he's not on the court.

With Cooke on the floor, UD has scored its opponents 843-705 (138 pts). With Cooke off the court, UD outscores its opponents 440-397 (43 pts).

As for A/TO ratio, with Cooke on the court 1.24 (156/126), without 1.32 (100/76).

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Cooke and DD starting tonite....
Meaning KD is not starting? Is he playing?
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Cooke is projected as #56 pick in their mock draft.
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Cooke is projected as #56 pick in their mock draft.
A deep run in the NCAA should help that!!
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A deep run in the NCAA should help that!!
And, if I might add, trying to stay away from unnecessary/avoidable injuries will help his draft status too...

For example...he makes a heads-up steal Sunday vs. the Bilikins...motors ahead to the hoop, and instead of simply laying the ball in for a deuce, he makes a nearly impossible leaping attempt at an overhand dunk...misses...and falls on his arse...his recently injured arse.

Makes no sense in the world...besides the fact that he missed the dunk.

Love the kid and his game etc. And I'm not among those who thinks he detracts from chemistry etc....Archie and SS will figure that out as all of them get more time on the floor together...

But, he needs to figure out that part of staying on the floor is using your head, and not sacrificing your body for the show of it all.
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While his play may not be the best college type of play. Cookie is strong, can drive with either hand.

Can rebound and defend. Very tough defender when needed. And shoot the 3.

He definitely takes poorly times shots, can improve that. I think he's one of the BEST contenders and chances for a good 5 year or more stint in the NBa as solid 15 to 20 minute a game player.

Def has the total skills and mindset when compared with BR, Wright, Sibert and CJ. Is he my favorite? No. Is he skilled? Hell yes!
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I think his lack of handle is what will ultimately keep him from playing at the NBA level.
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While his play may not be the best college type of play. Cookie is strong, can drive with either hand.

Can rebound and defend. Very tough defender when needed. And shoot the 3.

He definitely takes poorly times shots, can improve that. I think he's one of the BEST contenders and chances for a good 5 year or more stint in the NBa as solid 15 to 20 minute a game player.

Def has the total skills and mindset when compared with BR, Wright, Sibert and CJ. Is he my favorite? No. Is he skilled? Hell yes!
BRob is and always has been our best NBA prospect(since the Donoher years) because he had all the skills needed to be a great PG. And when comparing the two, BRob was a star coming out of college and had a much more consistent career(until the injuries and viruses hit all his teammates in his senior season). He was head and shoulders the best player on the team. I think he was probably the closest thing we had to an All American in almost 30 years.
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And, if I might add, trying to stay away from unnecessary/avoidable injuries will help his draft status too...

For example...he makes a heads-up steal Sunday vs. the Bilikins...motors ahead to the hoop, and instead of simply laying the ball in for a deuce, he makes a nearly impossible leaping attempt at an overhand dunk...misses...and falls on his arse...his recently injured arse.

Makes no sense in the world...besides the fact that he missed the dunk.

Love the kid and his game etc. And I'm not among those who thinks he detracts from chemistry etc....Archie and SS will figure that out as all of them get more time on the floor together...

But, he needs to figure out that part of staying on the floor is using your head, and not sacrificing your body for the show of it all.


Agree completely. The 1 thing I will add is that the sacrificing his body appears more an attempt to show his toughness in the paint than showmanship.
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Cooke is the closest to a "sure thing" NBA player that UD has had in well over 10 years...including BRob. He has all of the skills required.

He is the only player who can create his shot any time he wants. Scoochie creates his shot but not anytime he wants. I can't recall any player recently who has these skills. He has improved substantially in every aspect of his game since high school. There is no reason to believe that he has peaked.

When he is not in the game, I sometimes look around the court and wonder who is going to shoot...other players are frequently like a deer in the headlights. UD can get into a pattern of perimeter passing that works but... It requires disruption like CC to keep defenses from adapting and compensating.

As to his poorly timed shots...they are only poorly timed when they don't go through the rim. He plays like he is in the NBA.
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BRob is and always has been our best NBA prospect(since the Donoher years) because he had all the skills needed to be a great PG. And when comparing the two, BRob was a star coming out of college and had a much more consistent career(until the injuries and viruses hit all his teammates in his senior season). He was head and shoulders the best player on the team. I think he was probably the closest thing we had to an All American in almost 30 years.
Roberts lacked prototypical NBA size, and was more of a shooting guard who would have to play PG in the NBA as he did much of his UD career as well. He was far from a sure thing. A tweener. Cooke has NBA size to match ability making him easily the best NBA prospect Dayton has had. Roberts has carved out a great career however. Kudos to him for his hard work.
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Roberts lacked prototypical NBA size, and was more of a shooting guard who would have to play PG in the NBA as he did much of his UD career as well. He was far from a sure thing. A tweener. Cooke has NBA size to match ability making him easily the best NBA prospect Dayton has had. Roberts has carved out a great career however. Kudos to him for his hard work.
I really don't care what his physical potential is, the fact of the matter is he does no one thing great. He's terribly inconsistent and he will not make it in the NBA imo. Brian Roberts was great for the Flyers and if Cedric Toney could make it in the NBA I knew B-Rob would eventually. Prediction: Charles Cooke has less minutes in the NBA than Chris Johnson when all is said and done.

Charles Cooke is a 5th year senior. The NBA will look at 1, 2 and 3 year players that can put up as good and better numbers than Charles Cooke does. He will have to go through a very long development period and by the time he gets there if he does, he's going to be on the end of the bench as a place holder. Maybe for multiple teams.

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I think his lack of handle is what will ultimately keep him from playing at the NBA level.
Lack of handle? What games have you been watching?

He's our best slasher I've ever seen put on the Red and Columbia Blue. Sure he's never gonna be a point guard but he's more then serviceable as a shooting guard
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Lack of handle? What games have you been watching?

He's our best slasher I've ever seen put on the Red and Columbia Blue. Sure he's never gonna be a point guard but he's more then serviceable as a shooting guard
The same games you are watching. I agree he is a slasher but he often mishandles or has the ball taken from him when he gets in the lane. Last year when he was evaluated by the NBA scouts his remarks from the committee came back that he needed to improve his ball skills but I can't find the article now. I did find this scouting report from Vanderbilt before this year's game so I'm not the only one that thinks this. "Charles Cooke leads the Flyers in scoring and excels from everywhere on the court offensively. The 6’5” wing isn’t much of a ball handler, but he’s shooting 51% from two and 39% from three while drawing 6.3 fouls per 40 minutes." I'm not saying he isn't a good player because I think he is and I think he has an NBA style game but ultimately I think his lack of ball skills is what will prevent him from succeeding at that level. We can have different opinions on this and the only way we'll know for sure is to see what he does next year and beyond.

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I really don't care what his physical potential is, the fact of the matter is he does no one thing great. He's terribly inconsistent
I disagree with all of that. Now, I would not bet on him having a longer NBA career than Brian Roberts because it is very hard to stick in the NBA. Cooke may not be drafted at all, but he's the first guy since Chris Wright that has a chance to be drafted based on size, tools and consistent production. Unlike Wright, I don't think Cooke has holes in his game (other than maybe age as you say) that scouts will knock him for.
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I guess I watch a different game. His off games are 14 points and 4 rebounds with outstanding defense almost every game. He is a top transition player on both offense and defense. He is a smart and confident player. He is not resting on his athleticism. The A10 seems to think so since he is likely to be a top 2-3 player.

This is not to say that his game will or will not transition well into the NBA.
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A huge factor in his appeal is his defense. That will make or break him in spite what anyone may think of his other skills, which will get polished along the way. I hope he gets drafted but would be surprised if he did. IMO his chances are similar to Wright and Roberts, but with different skills, and will need a good plan for some intense development, whether at home or abroad.

When he is 100% healthy, he does fill up the stat sheet. Every game we play now touts CC's potential. He could do us and himself a lot of good to finish this year with a Negele Knight-ish finish.

He needs a good agent and to get lucky where the right NBA fit presents itself. See Dorian Finney-Smith of the Mavs. Very similar skills, body, and development---and a rare opportunity for an undrafted player.

He is a Senior in the right year for the A10 which is exhibiting a void of top players this season.

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Prediction: Charles Cooke has less minutes in the NBA than Chris Johnson when all is said and done.
And to be clear, you said on another thread that you mean "0" when you say less, correct?

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The same games you are watching. I agree he is a slasher but he often mishandles or has the ball taken from him when he gets in the lane. Last year when he was evaluated by the NBA scouts his remarks from the committee came back that he needed to improve his ball skills but I can't find the article now. I did find this scouting report from Vanderbilt before this year's game so I'm not the only one that thinks this. "Charles Cooke leads the Flyers in scoring and excels from everywhere on the court offensively. The 6’5” wing isn’t much of a ball handler, but he’s shooting 51% from two and 39% from three while drawing 6.3 fouls per 40 minutes." I'm not saying he isn't a good player because I think he is and I think he has an NBA style game but ultimately I think his lack of ball skills is what will prevent him from succeeding at that level. We can have different opinions on this and the only way we'll know for sure is to see what he does next year and beyond.
I think you're both confusing the issue. Open court ball handling is poor. I am not at all comfortable with Cooke bringing the ball up the court or dribbling around the perimeter. So from that perspective you're right, his ball handling is not great.

But straight line drives to the basket he's much more than adequate. Contrast him with Chris Wright who had the ball poked away 3 or 4 times a game. Cooke RARELY loses the ball in traffic going to the basket. So in that sense, he's an excellent ball handler.

Don't jump in with "there's no such thing as a straight line drive in the NBA." Sure there is. Cooke has the strength to straight line drive in the NBA. He's not LBJ, but adequate. And his defense is very good, and his outside shooting is very good, and his rebounding is very good. He's got a lot of skills that NBA teams want.
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Cooke certainly has the most potential to see time on an NBA roster than any player currently suiting up for UD.

I also think he has the body and size to play the 2 at the NBA level. I would not be willing to predict he never sees the court in a regular season NBA game.

Pollard, Kyle Davis, Darrel Davis, Mikesell, Miller - I'd make that bet. I think X never has the frame and doubt he gets there. Scoochie has a way to get to the rim and finish and sees the court very well. He might become a Brian Roberts backup type guy in a few years.
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I really don't care what his physical potential is, the fact of the matter is he does no one thing great. He's terribly inconsistent and he will not make it in the NBA imo. Brian Roberts was great for the Flyers and if Cedric Toney could make it in the NBA I knew B-Rob would eventually. Prediction: Charles Cooke has less minutes in the NBA than Chris Johnson when all is said and done.

Charles Cooke is a 5th year senior. The NBA will look at 1, 2 and 3 year players that can put up as good and better numbers than Charles Cooke does. He will have to go through a very long development period and by the time he gets there if he does, he's going to be on the end of the bench as a place holder. Maybe for multiple teams.
LMAO.Would you quit being foolish... You simply make yourself look more and more inept as a poster (didn't really think you could sink any further) with this hate towards the best player on UD, a definite 1st team A10 selection, and possibly the MVP of the A10..
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Cooke certainly has the most potential to see time on an NBA roster than any player currently suiting up for UD.

I also think he has the body and size to play the 2 at the NBA level. I would not be willing to predict he never sees the court in a regular season NBA game.

Pollard, Kyle Davis, Darrel Davis, Mikesell, Miller - I'd make that bet. I think X never has the frame and doubt he gets there. Scoochie has a way to get to the rim and finish and sees the court very well. He might become a Brian Roberts backup type guy in a few years.
Absolutely. He is so far more advanced in all aspects of the game and especially the skill-set required for the NBA than CJ ever was while at UD and coming out of UD and it's not even close.......
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LMAO.Would you quit being foolish... You simply make yourself look more and more inept as a poster (didn't really think you could sink any further) with this hate towards the best player on UD, a definite 1st team A10 selection, and possibly the MVP of the A10..
Instead of laughing, put your money where your mouth is. I said he gets less minutes in his career than CJ. You shoot your mouth off like it's fact I'm wrong. Charles Cooke as a good all around game where in his 5th year in college, he does nothing great. You have to be great at least one thing in college to make it to the NBA which of the major sports has the least amount of players. See Mo Alie Cox. That's why everyone is pushing him to go to football.
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I'm talking about you just STHU about the kid as just a college player....The kid is the best player on a team leading the A10 who will be a 1st team A10 selection and you go all Manson-esque on him, unable to control your freakin', childish emotions on each and every possession or mistake he makes, especially coming back from 2 damaging injuries and looking like a complete and utter fool on this board....
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I'm talking about you just STHU about the kid as just a college player....The kid is the best player on a team leading the A10 who will be a 1st team A10 selection and you go all Manson-esque on him, unable to control your freakin', childish emotions on each and every possession or mistake he makes, especially coming back from 2 damaging injuries and looking like a complete and utter fool on this board....
And my post was strictly about his NBA chances, so what was your LMAO about? You want to hear how I feel about CC today. I think he's done in the past two games everything I've been complaining that he doesn't do in the past. I think if he continues to play this way, the Flyers will be as successful as possible. And I also admit he brings as much to the team as Scoochie, Kyle and Kendall when he does.

I'm not a hater of his, but I'm not the only one who notices he's doing less ball hogging lately and things look better for the whole team because of it.
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I have no idea how many minutes Cooke will play in the NBA, if he ever plays a minuted. But to say he doesn't do any 1 thing well seems off. Wasn't he 1st team all conference for defense last year? Wasn't he named the team's best defender last year over Kyle Davis?

at any rate, he's always reminded me a bit of Swaggy P in both body size/type and game. Looking at Young's 3 years of college stats at USC ( http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...k-young-1.html ) compared to Cooke's ( http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...s-cooke-1.html ) it would appear that Swaggy was a little more consistent shooter, but took more of his shots from w/n the arc while Cooke is a higher volume shooter from beyond the arc (should probably also factor in that the 3 point line moved from when Young was at USC to where it is today, IIRC) Both put up similar rebounding numbers for a gaurd. Cooke gets more assists, steals and blocks than Swaggy (turnovers not listed for Young's collegiate days) while one may assume that USC faced better competition on a regular basis in the P10 than UD does in the A10.

Swaggy left USC early as a junior (I believe while HS kids were still entering the league, but before the proliferation of the 1 and dones) so GM's likely viewed him as a kid that still had a lot of growth ahead of him. Cooke is a 5th year senior and rightly or wrongly, they may view him as a young man with less growth potential. I doubt there is a shot in hell that Cooke is drafted as high as Swaggy was but I still think there is potential for Cooke to have a solid, NBA career. A lot of it depends on hard he's willing to work.
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And my post was strictly about his NBA chances, so what was your LMAO about? You want to hear how I feel about CC today. I think he's done in the past two games everything I've been complaining that he doesn't do in the past. I think if he continues to play this way, the Flyers will be as successful as possible. And I also admit he brings as much to the team as Scoochie, Kyle and Kendall when he does.

I'm not a hater of his, but I'm not the only one who notices he's doing less ball hogging lately and things look better for the whole team because of it.
Cooke's assist numbers for the year shows he can be very unselfish at times. He had six assists last game. Scoochie had one. At times however in the last game, he seemed to force it too much, had a few turnovers and missed open teammates.

The UMass game was his worst of the season, but I watched Pollard jacking up 3s before Cooke ever stepped on the court that night. He played like every other player that night. He seemed to have turnovers before he had a chance to dish. He also drove into the teeth of the defense too much

Cooke and Scoochie are the best offensive creators. Scoochie can be passive at times and Cooke tries to force it at times. I think the coaching staff tries to encourage both players to force the action more, yet keep teammates involved.
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Instead of laughing, put your money where your mouth is. I said he gets less minutes in his career than CJ. You shoot your mouth off like it's fact I'm wrong. Charles Cooke as a good all around game where in his 5th year in college, he does nothing great. You have to be great at least one thing in college to make it to the NBA which of the major sports has the least amount of players. See Mo Alie Cox. That's why everyone is pushing him to go to football.
Cooke and Cox are not even close to being in the same situation. Cooke is a 6'5 guard and is well within the size and athleticism that one would expect for a guard. Mo is a 6'6 center. There is absolutely no comparison between the two.
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I have no idea how many minutes Cooke will play in the NBA, if he ever plays a minuted. But to say he doesn't do any 1 thing well seems off. Wasn't he 1st team all conference for defense last year? Wasn't he named the team's best defender last year over Kyle Davis?

at any rate, he's always reminded me a bit of Swaggy P in both body size/type and game. Looking at Young's 3 years of college stats at USC ( http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...k-young-1.html ) compared to Cooke's ( http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...s-cooke-1.html ) it would appear that Swaggy was a little more consistent shooter, but took more of his shots from w/n the arc while Cooke is a higher volume shooter from beyond the arc (should probably also factor in that the 3 point line moved from when Young was at USC to where it is today, IIRC) Both put up similar rebounding numbers for a gaurd. Cooke gets more assists, steals and blocks than Swaggy (turnovers not listed for Young's collegiate days) while one may assume that USC faced better competition on a regular basis in the P10 than UD does in the A10.

Swaggy left USC early as a junior (I believe while HS kids were still entering the league, but before the proliferation of the 1 and dones) so GM's likely viewed him as a kid that still had a lot of growth ahead of him. Cooke is a 5th year senior and rightly or wrongly, they may view him as a young man with less growth potential. I doubt there is a shot in hell that Cooke is drafted as high as Swaggy was but I still think there is potential for Cooke to have a solid, NBA career. A lot of it depends on hard he's willing to work.
I didn't say he doesn't do one thing well. I said he doesn't do any one thing great.
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With the injuries CC has had this season, whether he gets drafted and where still has plenty of variables (remaining games, tournament, Portsmouth, workouts). While the 1st round and top of the 2nd round European players may be known, I'm not sure the same is true about the draft and stash middle and lower 2nd round guys.

The good news is we have a player being mentioned. Hopefully, he gets drafted and starts a stream of players able to make that transition.

At this point, what I really want is that he plays well enough over the next few months to ensure he gets drafted.
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Cooke certainly has the most potential to see time on an NBA roster than any player currently suiting up for UD.

I also think he has the body and size to play the 2 at the NBA level. I would not be willing to predict he never sees the court in a regular season NBA game.

Pollard, Kyle Davis, Darrel Davis, Mikesell, Miller - I'd make that bet. I think X never has the frame and doubt he gets there. Scoochie has a way to get to the rim and finish and sees the court very well. He might become a Brian Roberts backup type guy in a few years.
I wish there were betting odds on your "prediction".

There are only a select number of players that walk onto a court and after the first dribble separate themselves from the others. He is that guy. He exudes confidence and this is absolutely required in professional sports. Brian Roberts had this confidence (without the physical attributes).

This guy will step on the court of a regular season NBA game...there you have it...that is my prediction. What are the Vegas odds?
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I wish there were betting odds on your "prediction".

There are only a select number of players that walk onto a court and after the first dribble separate themselves from the others. He is that guy. He exudes confidence and this is absolutely required in professional sports. Brian Roberts had this confidence (without the physical attributes).

This guy will step on the court of a regular season NBA game...there you have it...that is my prediction. What are the Vegas odds?
Then why do you need odds?
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Then why do you need odds?
He's responding to a claim. Id want odds too.
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Then why do you need odds?
Because every bet MUST have odds, or else you're just handing money to a stranger?!

Did you consider that he didn't say that the odds must be heavily in his favor or he won't bet?
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Then why do you need odds?
What a silly question. Do you really think anyone on this message board is interested in betting...it's sarcasm. Let's not continue the betting thread...sorry I did.
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I just want a beer.
Amen. Can it be a new Graeters Black Rasberry Chocolate Chip Milk Stout.
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Amen. Can it be a new Graeters Black Rasberry Chocolate Chip Milk Stout.
I like stouts but that one has a little too much going on there for my taste but to each his own.
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BRob is and always has been our best NBA prospect(since the Donoher years) because he had all the skills needed to be a great PG. And when comparing the two, BRob was a star coming out of college and had a much more consistent career(until the injuries and viruses hit all his teammates in his senior season). He was head and shoulders the best player on the team. I think he was probably the closest thing we had to an All American in almost 30 years.
Never played defense. Had to outscore his man by eight every night just to pick up for his inept defense. London Warren never gets the credit he deserved for picking up the defensive end for those teams. I feel he picked up the defensive slack. Cooke will land on an NBA team because he's an outstanding defender. See 1st-Team-All-A10 Defensive Player.

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I'll pretend i didnt read this last post. Never happened. Im all for picking apart guys that deserve it but the name Brian Roberts should be hallowed ground around here.

Not Ryan Perryman hallowed ground...but still.....right Beatty?
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It is hallowed ground. But you can't let eroneous statements go by the board as if everyone agrees. BROB never played a lick of defense. If he did he'd have been drafted. I love the guy as a shooter and scorer but defense is what kept him fom major attention when he came out.
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