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Old 01-07-2017, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
Opening 5 minutes last night Kyle went up with the right hand on a reverse layup.
...but he missed it

He made his previous right-handed lay up in early December after Archie announced on radio that Kyle never took a right-handed shot
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According to AM on his radio show, CC practiced for about an hour today and plan is to go "full bore" tomorrow. Assuming no setbacks, he's back.
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Here is the link to his radio interview this afternoon.
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Originally Posted by Bill202 View Post
...but he missed it

He made his previous right-handed lay up in early December after Archie announced on radio that Kyle never took a right-handed shot
Russell Westbrook...same deal. Right hand non grata...
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According to AM on his radio show, CC practiced for about an hour today and plan is to go "full bore" tomorrow. Assuming no setbacks, he's back.
That is really good news. We have been playing great but need a guy like Cooke - another go-to weapon.
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Dayton's Charles Cooke (lower back) will play tonight against UMass, per a school spokesman.
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Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 3m3 minutes ago

Dayton's Charles Cooke (lower back) will play tonight against UMass, per a school spokesman.
I hope he let's the game come to him, and doesn't try to make up for lost time thinking he needs to score 50. But I am optimistic and encouraged by the news. I think he'll have a solid game tonight.
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I hope he let's the game come to him, and doesn't try to make up for lost time thinking he needs to score 50. But I am optimistic and encouraged by the news. I think he'll have a solid game tonight.
I hope he doesn't try to defy gravity again when he drives to the basket because nothing good happens when you land hard and we need him healthy and everyone else for the stretch run in the A-10!
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I hope he doesn't try to defy gravity again when he drives to the basket because nothing good happens when you land hard and we need him healthy and everyone else for the stretch run in the A-10!
Nothing like a little negative reinforcement to change a bad habit.
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I noticed UMass bigs foul with great frequency. Just looking at stats I would think they rotate them in and out to pound the hell out of post players and guards driving the lane. I hope we come out of this healthy, especially with their mountain of a man at Center - 6'11 320?!
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Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.
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Wonder where the injuries stand?

I gotta assume Darrell is 100%, Charles is close if not 100%, Kendall is basically there.

Most importantly where is Kyle? And is Josh on track still for the best case of mid-February?
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Originally Posted by LIBob View Post
Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.
Baloney. 3 games is not a representative sample, against different teams, venues, a game without DD. Too many variables to draw a conclusion.
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The other thing is that CC is the best at creating his own shot. It is expected that he will be assisted less than anyone else and therefore average assists will go down.
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Originally Posted by LIBob View Post
Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.
I agree, but, I would also note that Cooke is the guy on the team most capable of creating his own shot. That's a kind way of saying that outside of SS nobody else on the team CAN create a shot in the flow of the offense. So we MUST pass the ball around to create a shot or the possession ends in a TO or a bad shot.

It would be interesting to know how many points per possession and the FG% without him in there. I think those complementary stats would help round out the story. My guess? We score less and turn the ball over more without him. But I could be wrong.
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no matter the stats, its a 3 game sample size and way too small to judge anything off with certainty. To my eye, the ball definently moved better without him in there vs St Bonnies and Rhody, but was that a function of the game that would have been the same if Charles was in there or not? I have no clue. It also should be noted that this team has seen several very altered versions of itself:

There was the team w/o Pollard but with Josh for 2 games, then the team w/o either Pollard or Josh for several games, then the team w/ Pollard, but no Josh while pollard was rounding into form for 2 games, then a stretch of games with Pollard looking 100% but scoochie struggling, then the team with Scoochie clicking and Cooke hurt, and now perhaps finally vs Duquesne, a team with everyone outside of Cunningham as healthy as their going to be (we'll see about Kyle moving forward for the next few) and playing at a high level offensively (namely Cooke, Scoochie & Sir Kendall).

While we tend to only focus in on the Flyers, that is probably a fairly normal type of seasons for many college basketball teams, kids miss a handful of games in the middle the season, kids go thru slumps, etc.. plus the opponent changes every game, taking any 3 game sample and putting too much weight into it can be fool's gold.

what I'd really like to see by mid February is to see what this team looks like with everyone healthy (including Josh) and relatively performing at a high level. Seems like there is great potential, equal to if not better than what we saw at the start of last season before team chemistry was thrown out the window and everything fell apart.
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Originally Posted by LIBob View Post
Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.
It shows the assist/FG % change, for sure.

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Baloney. 3 games is not a representative sample, against different teams, venues, a game without DD. Too many variables to draw a conclusion.
I agree, the sample size is too small.

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The other thing is that CC is the best at creating his own shot. It is expected that he will be assisted less than anyone else and therefore average assists will go down.
This is a very interesting point in the matter.

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I agree, but, I would also note that Cooke is the guy on the team most capable of creating his own shot. That's a kind way of saying that outside of SS nobody else on the team CAN create a shot in the flow of the offense. So we MUST pass the ball around to create a shot or the possession ends in a TO or a bad shot.

It would be interesting to know how many points per possession and the FG% without him in there. I think those complementary stats would help round out the story. My guess? We score less and turn the ball over more without him. But I could be wrong.
For the year, Cooke has played in 26,038 seconds of game time, leaving 14,762 seconds with him not on the court.

With Cooke on the court, the team shoots 46.8% FG, with a 2/3pt split of 54.5/34.6.
With Cooke not on the court, the team shoots 45.3% FG, with a 2/3pt split of 48.1/40.6.

With Cooke shooting 38.6% from 3pt range, the rest of the team shoots 33.3% when he's on the court, but 40.6% when he's not on the court.

With Cooke on the floor, UD has scored its opponents 843-705 (138 pts). With Cooke off the court, UD outscores its opponents 440-397 (43 pts).

As for A/TO ratio, with Cooke on the court 1.24 (156/126), without 1.32 (100/76).

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Cooke and DD starting tonite....
Meaning KD is not starting? Is he playing?
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Cooke is projected as #56 pick in their mock draft.
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Cooke is projected as #56 pick in their mock draft.
A deep run in the NCAA should help that!!
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A deep run in the NCAA should help that!!
And, if I might add, trying to stay away from unnecessary/avoidable injuries will help his draft status too...

For example...he makes a heads-up steal Sunday vs. the Bilikins...motors ahead to the hoop, and instead of simply laying the ball in for a deuce, he makes a nearly impossible leaping attempt at an overhand dunk...misses...and falls on his arse...his recently injured arse.

Makes no sense in the world...besides the fact that he missed the dunk.

Love the kid and his game etc. And I'm not among those who thinks he detracts from chemistry etc....Archie and SS will figure that out as all of them get more time on the floor together...

But, he needs to figure out that part of staying on the floor is using your head, and not sacrificing your body for the show of it all.
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While his play may not be the best college type of play. Cookie is strong, can drive with either hand.

Can rebound and defend. Very tough defender when needed. And shoot the 3.

He definitely takes poorly times shots, can improve that. I think he's one of the BEST contenders and chances for a good 5 year or more stint in the NBa as solid 15 to 20 minute a game player.

Def has the total skills and mindset when compared with BR, Wright, Sibert and CJ. Is he my favorite? No. Is he skilled? Hell yes!
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I think his lack of handle is what will ultimately keep him from playing at the NBA level.
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While his play may not be the best college type of play. Cookie is strong, can drive with either hand.

Can rebound and defend. Very tough defender when needed. And shoot the 3.

He definitely takes poorly times shots, can improve that. I think he's one of the BEST contenders and chances for a good 5 year or more stint in the NBa as solid 15 to 20 minute a game player.

Def has the total skills and mindset when compared with BR, Wright, Sibert and CJ. Is he my favorite? No. Is he skilled? Hell yes!
BRob is and always has been our best NBA prospect(since the Donoher years) because he had all the skills needed to be a great PG. And when comparing the two, BRob was a star coming out of college and had a much more consistent career(until the injuries and viruses hit all his teammates in his senior season). He was head and shoulders the best player on the team. I think he was probably the closest thing we had to an All American in almost 30 years.
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And, if I might add, trying to stay away from unnecessary/avoidable injuries will help his draft status too...

For example...he makes a heads-up steal Sunday vs. the Bilikins...motors ahead to the hoop, and instead of simply laying the ball in for a deuce, he makes a nearly impossible leaping attempt at an overhand dunk...misses...and falls on his arse...his recently injured arse.

Makes no sense in the world...besides the fact that he missed the dunk.

Love the kid and his game etc. And I'm not among those who thinks he detracts from chemistry etc....Archie and SS will figure that out as all of them get more time on the floor together...

But, he needs to figure out that part of staying on the floor is using your head, and not sacrificing your body for the show of it all.


Agree completely. The 1 thing I will add is that the sacrificing his body appears more an attempt to show his toughness in the paint than showmanship.
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Cooke is the closest to a "sure thing" NBA player that UD has had in well over 10 years...including BRob. He has all of the skills required.

He is the only player who can create his shot any time he wants. Scoochie creates his shot but not anytime he wants. I can't recall any player recently who has these skills. He has improved substantially in every aspect of his game since high school. There is no reason to believe that he has peaked.

When he is not in the game, I sometimes look around the court and wonder who is going to shoot...other players are frequently like a deer in the headlights. UD can get into a pattern of perimeter passing that works but... It requires disruption like CC to keep defenses from adapting and compensating.

As to his poorly timed shots...they are only poorly timed when they don't go through the rim. He plays like he is in the NBA.
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BRob is and always has been our best NBA prospect(since the Donoher years) because he had all the skills needed to be a great PG. And when comparing the two, BRob was a star coming out of college and had a much more consistent career(until the injuries and viruses hit all his teammates in his senior season). He was head and shoulders the best player on the team. I think he was probably the closest thing we had to an All American in almost 30 years.
Roberts lacked prototypical NBA size, and was more of a shooting guard who would have to play PG in the NBA as he did much of his UD career as well. He was far from a sure thing. A tweener. Cooke has NBA size to match ability making him easily the best NBA prospect Dayton has had. Roberts has carved out a great career however. Kudos to him for his hard work.
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Roberts lacked prototypical NBA size, and was more of a shooting guard who would have to play PG in the NBA as he did much of his UD career as well. He was far from a sure thing. A tweener. Cooke has NBA size to match ability making him easily the best NBA prospect Dayton has had. Roberts has carved out a great career however. Kudos to him for his hard work.
I really don't care what his physical potential is, the fact of the matter is he does no one thing great. He's terribly inconsistent and he will not make it in the NBA imo. Brian Roberts was great for the Flyers and if Cedric Toney could make it in the NBA I knew B-Rob would eventually. Prediction: Charles Cooke has less minutes in the NBA than Chris Johnson when all is said and done.

Charles Cooke is a 5th year senior. The NBA will look at 1, 2 and 3 year players that can put up as good and better numbers than Charles Cooke does. He will have to go through a very long development period and by the time he gets there if he does, he's going to be on the end of the bench as a place holder. Maybe for multiple teams.

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I think his lack of handle is what will ultimately keep him from playing at the NBA level.
Lack of handle? What games have you been watching?

He's our best slasher I've ever seen put on the Red and Columbia Blue. Sure he's never gonna be a point guard but he's more then serviceable as a shooting guard
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Lack of handle? What games have you been watching?

He's our best slasher I've ever seen put on the Red and Columbia Blue. Sure he's never gonna be a point guard but he's more then serviceable as a shooting guard
The same games you are watching. I agree he is a slasher but he often mishandles or has the ball taken from him when he gets in the lane. Last year when he was evaluated by the NBA scouts his remarks from the committee came back that he needed to improve his ball skills but I can't find the article now. I did find this scouting report from Vanderbilt before this year's game so I'm not the only one that thinks this. "Charles Cooke leads the Flyers in scoring and excels from everywhere on the court offensively. The 6’5” wing isn’t much of a ball handler, but he’s shooting 51% from two and 39% from three while drawing 6.3 fouls per 40 minutes." I'm not saying he isn't a good player because I think he is and I think he has an NBA style game but ultimately I think his lack of ball skills is what will prevent him from succeeding at that level. We can have different opinions on this and the only way we'll know for sure is to see what he does next year and beyond.

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I really don't care what his physical potential is, the fact of the matter is he does no one thing great. He's terribly inconsistent
I disagree with all of that. Now, I would not bet on him having a longer NBA career than Brian Roberts because it is very hard to stick in the NBA. Cooke may not be drafted at all, but he's the first guy since Chris Wright that has a chance to be drafted based on size, tools and consistent production. Unlike Wright, I don't think Cooke has holes in his game (other than maybe age as you say) that scouts will knock him for.
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I guess I watch a different game. His off games are 14 points and 4 rebounds with outstanding defense almost every game. He is a top transition player on both offense and defense. He is a smart and confident player. He is not resting on his athleticism. The A10 seems to think so since he is likely to be a top 2-3 player.

This is not to say that his game will or will not transition well into the NBA.
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A huge factor in his appeal is his defense. That will make or break him in spite what anyone may think of his other skills, which will get polished along the way. I hope he gets drafted but would be surprised if he did. IMO his chances are similar to Wright and Roberts, but with different skills, and will need a good plan for some intense development, whether at home or abroad.

When he is 100% healthy, he does fill up the stat sheet. Every game we play now touts CC's potential. He could do us and himself a lot of good to finish this year with a Negele Knight-ish finish.

He needs a good agent and to get lucky where the right NBA fit presents itself. See Dorian Finney-Smith of the Mavs. Very similar skills, body, and development---and a rare opportunity for an undrafted player.

He is a Senior in the right year for the A10 which is exhibiting a void of top players this season.

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Prediction: Charles Cooke has less minutes in the NBA than Chris Johnson when all is said and done.
And to be clear, you said on another thread that you mean "0" when you say less, correct?

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The same games you are watching. I agree he is a slasher but he often mishandles or has the ball taken from him when he gets in the lane. Last year when he was evaluated by the NBA scouts his remarks from the committee came back that he needed to improve his ball skills but I can't find the article now. I did find this scouting report from Vanderbilt before this year's game so I'm not the only one that thinks this. "Charles Cooke leads the Flyers in scoring and excels from everywhere on the court offensively. The 6’5” wing isn’t much of a ball handler, but he’s shooting 51% from two and 39% from three while drawing 6.3 fouls per 40 minutes." I'm not saying he isn't a good player because I think he is and I think he has an NBA style game but ultimately I think his lack of ball skills is what will prevent him from succeeding at that level. We can have different opinions on this and the only way we'll know for sure is to see what he does next year and beyond.
I think you're both confusing the issue. Open court ball handling is poor. I am not at all comfortable with Cooke bringing the ball up the court or dribbling around the perimeter. So from that perspective you're right, his ball handling is not great.

But straight line drives to the basket he's much more than adequate. Contrast him with Chris Wright who had the ball poked away 3 or 4 times a game. Cooke RARELY loses the ball in traffic going to the basket. So in that sense, he's an excellent ball handler.

Don't jump in with "there's no such thing as a straight line drive in the NBA." Sure there is. Cooke has the strength to straight line drive in the NBA. He's not LBJ, but adequate. And his defense is very good, and his outside shooting is very good, and his rebounding is very good. He's got a lot of skills that NBA teams want.
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Cooke certainly has the most potential to see time on an NBA roster than any player currently suiting up for UD.

I also think he has the body and size to play the 2 at the NBA level. I would not be willing to predict he never sees the court in a regular season NBA game.

Pollard, Kyle Davis, Darrel Davis, Mikesell, Miller - I'd make that bet. I think X never has the frame and doubt he gets there. Scoochie has a way to get to the rim and finish and sees the court very well. He might become a Brian Roberts backup type guy in a few years.
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I really don't care what his physical potential is, the fact of the matter is he does no one thing great. He's terribly inconsistent and he will not make it in the NBA imo. Brian Roberts was great for the Flyers and if Cedric Toney could make it in the NBA I knew B-Rob would eventually. Prediction: Charles Cooke has less minutes in the NBA than Chris Johnson when all is said and done.

Charles Cooke is a 5th year senior. The NBA will look at 1, 2 and 3 year players that can put up as good and better numbers than Charles Cooke does. He will have to go through a very long development period and by the time he gets there if he does, he's going to be on the end of the bench as a place holder. Maybe for multiple teams.
LMAO.Would you quit being foolish... You simply make yourself look more and more inept as a poster (didn't really think you could sink any further) with this hate towards the best player on UD, a definite 1st team A10 selection, and possibly the MVP of the A10..
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Cooke certainly has the most potential to see time on an NBA roster than any player currently suiting up for UD.

I also think he has the body and size to play the 2 at the NBA level. I would not be willing to predict he never sees the court in a regular season NBA game.

Pollard, Kyle Davis, Darrel Davis, Mikesell, Miller - I'd make that bet. I think X never has the frame and doubt he gets there. Scoochie has a way to get to the rim and finish and sees the court very well. He might become a Brian Roberts backup type guy in a few years.
Absolutely. He is so far more advanced in all aspects of the game and especially the skill-set required for the NBA than CJ ever was while at UD and coming out of UD and it's not even close.......
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LMAO.Would you quit being foolish... You simply make yourself look more and more inept as a poster (didn't really think you could sink any further) with this hate towards the best player on UD, a definite 1st team A10 selection, and possibly the MVP of the A10..
Instead of laughing, put your money where your mouth is. I said he gets less minutes in his career than CJ. You shoot your mouth off like it's fact I'm wrong. Charles Cooke as a good all around game where in his 5th year in college, he does nothing great. You have to be great at least one thing in college to make it to the NBA which of the major sports has the least amount of players. See Mo Alie Cox. That's why everyone is pushing him to go to football.
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I'm talking about you just STHU about the kid as just a college player....The kid is the best player on a team leading the A10 who will be a 1st team A10 selection and you go all Manson-esque on him, unable to control your freakin', childish emotions on each and every possession or mistake he makes, especially coming back from 2 damaging injuries and looking like a complete and utter fool on this board....
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I'm talking about you just STHU about the kid as just a college player....The kid is the best player on a team leading the A10 who will be a 1st team A10 selection and you go all Manson-esque on him, unable to control your freakin', childish emotions on each and every possession or mistake he makes, especially coming back from 2 damaging injuries and looking like a complete and utter fool on this board....
And my post was strictly about his NBA chances, so what was your LMAO about? You want to hear how I feel about CC today. I think he's done in the past two games everything I've been complaining that he doesn't do in the past. I think if he continues to play this way, the Flyers will be as successful as possible. And I also admit he brings as much to the team as Scoochie, Kyle and Kendall when he does.

I'm not a hater of his, but I'm not the only one who notices he's doing less ball hogging lately and things look better for the whole team because of it.
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I have no idea how many minutes Cooke will play in the NBA, if he ever plays a minuted. But to say he doesn't do any 1 thing well seems off. Wasn't he 1st team all conference for defense last year? Wasn't he named the team's best defender last year over Kyle Davis?

at any rate, he's always reminded me a bit of Swaggy P in both body size/type and game. Looking at Young's 3 years of college stats at USC ( http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...k-young-1.html ) compared to Cooke's ( http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...s-cooke-1.html ) it would appear that Swaggy was a little more consistent shooter, but took more of his shots from w/n the arc while Cooke is a higher volume shooter from beyond the arc (should probably also factor in that the 3 point line moved from when Young was at USC to where it is today, IIRC) Both put up similar rebounding numbers for a gaurd. Cooke gets more assists, steals and blocks than Swaggy (turnovers not listed for Young's collegiate days) while one may assume that USC faced better competition on a regular basis in the P10 than UD does in the A10.

Swaggy left USC early as a junior (I believe while HS kids were still entering the league, but before the proliferation of the 1 and dones) so GM's likely viewed him as a kid that still had a lot of growth ahead of him. Cooke is a 5th year senior and rightly or wrongly, they may view him as a young man with less growth potential. I doubt there is a shot in hell that Cooke is drafted as high as Swaggy was but I still think there is potential for Cooke to have a solid, NBA career. A lot of it depends on hard he's willing to work.
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And my post was strictly about his NBA chances, so what was your LMAO about? You want to hear how I feel about CC today. I think he's done in the past two games everything I've been complaining that he doesn't do in the past. I think if he continues to play this way, the Flyers will be as successful as possible. And I also admit he brings as much to the team as Scoochie, Kyle and Kendall when he does.

I'm not a hater of his, but I'm not the only one who notices he's doing less ball hogging lately and things look better for the whole team because of it.
Cooke's assist numbers for the year shows he can be very unselfish at times. He had six assists last game. Scoochie had one. At times however in the last game, he seemed to force it too much, had a few turnovers and missed open teammates.

The UMass game was his worst of the season, but I watched Pollard jacking up 3s before Cooke ever stepped on the court that night. He played like every other player that night. He seemed to have turnovers before he had a chance to dish. He also drove into the teeth of the defense too much

Cooke and Scoochie are the best offensive creators. Scoochie can be passive at times and Cooke tries to force it at times. I think the coaching staff tries to encourage both players to force the action more, yet keep teammates involved.
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Instead of laughing, put your money where your mouth is. I said he gets less minutes in his career than CJ. You shoot your mouth off like it's fact I'm wrong. Charles Cooke as a good all around game where in his 5th year in college, he does nothing great. You have to be great at least one thing in college to make it to the NBA which of the major sports has the least amount of players. See Mo Alie Cox. That's why everyone is pushing him to go to football.
Cooke and Cox are not even close to being in the same situation. Cooke is a 6'5 guard and is well within the size and athleticism that one would expect for a guard. Mo is a 6'6 center. There is absolutely no comparison between the two.
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I have no idea how many minutes Cooke will play in the NBA, if he ever plays a minuted. But to say he doesn't do any 1 thing well seems off. Wasn't he 1st team all conference for defense last year? Wasn't he named the team's best defender last year over Kyle Davis?

at any rate, he's always reminded me a bit of Swaggy P in both body size/type and game. Looking at Young's 3 years of college stats at USC ( http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...k-young-1.html ) compared to Cooke's ( http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...s-cooke-1.html ) it would appear that Swaggy was a little more consistent shooter, but took more of his shots from w/n the arc while Cooke is a higher volume shooter from beyond the arc (should probably also factor in that the 3 point line moved from when Young was at USC to where it is today, IIRC) Both put up similar rebounding numbers for a gaurd. Cooke gets more assists, steals and blocks than Swaggy (turnovers not listed for Young's collegiate days) while one may assume that USC faced better competition on a regular basis in the P10 than UD does in the A10.

Swaggy left USC early as a junior (I believe while HS kids were still entering the league, but before the proliferation of the 1 and dones) so GM's likely viewed him as a kid that still had a lot of growth ahead of him. Cooke is a 5th year senior and rightly or wrongly, they may view him as a young man with less growth potential. I doubt there is a shot in hell that Cooke is drafted as high as Swaggy was but I still think there is potential for Cooke to have a solid, NBA career. A lot of it depends on hard he's willing to work.
I didn't say he doesn't do one thing well. I said he doesn't do any one thing great.
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With the injuries CC has had this season, whether he gets drafted and where still has plenty of variables (remaining games, tournament, Portsmouth, workouts). While the 1st round and top of the 2nd round European players may be known, I'm not sure the same is true about the draft and stash middle and lower 2nd round guys.

The good news is we have a player being mentioned. Hopefully, he gets drafted and starts a stream of players able to make that transition.

At this point, what I really want is that he plays well enough over the next few months to ensure he gets drafted.
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Cooke certainly has the most potential to see time on an NBA roster than any player currently suiting up for UD.

I also think he has the body and size to play the 2 at the NBA level. I would not be willing to predict he never sees the court in a regular season NBA game.

Pollard, Kyle Davis, Darrel Davis, Mikesell, Miller - I'd make that bet. I think X never has the frame and doubt he gets there. Scoochie has a way to get to the rim and finish and sees the court very well. He might become a Brian Roberts backup type guy in a few years.
I wish there were betting odds on your "prediction".

There are only a select number of players that walk onto a court and after the first dribble separate themselves from the others. He is that guy. He exudes confidence and this is absolutely required in professional sports. Brian Roberts had this confidence (without the physical attributes).

This guy will step on the court of a regular season NBA game...there you have it...that is my prediction. What are the Vegas odds?
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I wish there were betting odds on your "prediction".

There are only a select number of players that walk onto a court and after the first dribble separate themselves from the others. He is that guy. He exudes confidence and this is absolutely required in professional sports. Brian Roberts had this confidence (without the physical attributes).

This guy will step on the court of a regular season NBA game...there you have it...that is my prediction. What are the Vegas odds?
Then why do you need odds?
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Then why do you need odds?
He's responding to a claim. Id want odds too.
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Then why do you need odds?
Because every bet MUST have odds, or else you're just handing money to a stranger?!

Did you consider that he didn't say that the odds must be heavily in his favor or he won't bet?
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Then why do you need odds?
What a silly question. Do you really think anyone on this message board is interested in betting...it's sarcasm. Let's not continue the betting thread...sorry I did.
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I just want a beer.
Amen. Can it be a new Graeters Black Rasberry Chocolate Chip Milk Stout.
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Amen. Can it be a new Graeters Black Rasberry Chocolate Chip Milk Stout.
I like stouts but that one has a little too much going on there for my taste but to each his own.
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BRob is and always has been our best NBA prospect(since the Donoher years) because he had all the skills needed to be a great PG. And when comparing the two, BRob was a star coming out of college and had a much more consistent career(until the injuries and viruses hit all his teammates in his senior season). He was head and shoulders the best player on the team. I think he was probably the closest thing we had to an All American in almost 30 years.
Never played defense. Had to outscore his man by eight every night just to pick up for his inept defense. London Warren never gets the credit he deserved for picking up the defensive end for those teams. I feel he picked up the defensive slack. Cooke will land on an NBA team because he's an outstanding defender. See 1st-Team-All-A10 Defensive Player.

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I'll pretend i didnt read this last post. Never happened. Im all for picking apart guys that deserve it but the name Brian Roberts should be hallowed ground around here.

Not Ryan Perryman hallowed ground...but still.....right Beatty?
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It is hallowed ground. But you can't let eroneous statements go by the board as if everyone agrees. BROB never played a lick of defense. If he did he'd have been drafted. I love the guy as a shooter and scorer but defense is what kept him fom major attention when he came out.
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I think his lack of handle is what will ultimately keep him from playing at the NBA level.
Let me start this post by saying that I love Cooke and everything he does for the Flyers, but for all of those who didn't agree with my assessment of his ball handling skills I think tonight's game showed that to be a deficiency in his game.
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Let me start this post by saying that I love Cooke and everything he does for the Flyers, but for all of those who didn't agree with my assessment of his ball handling skills I think tonight's game showed that to be a deficiency in his game.
I am not so sure ball-handling is the issue. He just seems to force a lot of things instead of looking for the open man.
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Let me start this post by saying that I love Cooke and everything he does for the Flyers, but for all of those who didn't agree with my assessment of his ball handling skills I think tonight's game showed that to be a deficiency in his game.
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I am not so sure ball-handling is the issue. He just seems to force a lot of things instead of looking for the open man.
Really? On Senior Night and a night when he scored 20 and played great D to help us win the A10? This couldn't have waited until tomorrow? I bet you guys are fun to be around!
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You might want to consider what Archie is asking him to do. Just maybe as Archie is milking clock to manage the game while his entire front court is saddled with four fouls he want them to run the clock down and have Cooke make a one on one play. Wit cramping and a tweaked ankle it wasn't working but it seemed pretty clear the guy making millions was ok with what he was doing or he would have been pulled.
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Cooke handles the ball really well for a non-PG. His one move the defender consistently picked him on was that crossover. Hats off to the defender, who either studied film and/or learned that move and was fast enough to get his hand in there. Hopefully knowing Cooke, he will go back and work on it till he gets a better technique.
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Let me start this post by saying that I love Cooke and everything he does for the Flyers, but for all of those who didn't agree with my assessment of his ball handling skills I think tonight's game showed that to be a deficiency in his game.
LOL.He gets picked once and he's terrible, huh. He helped beat the VCU press multiple times splitting double teams, going to his left down the sideline, and getting to the hoop or into the lane with either hand for shots or to attract defenders only to dump off to the open man. Is he Lorenzo Ball? Of course not but he handles the ball just fine for a 2 guard....
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All I know is I looked up at the scoreboard mid-2nd half and Cooke had 20 points. That was the quietest 20 points I've ever seen. But he has been really expending himself on defense lately, and I'm sure that takes a bit of steam out of what he's doing on offense. He needs a rest sometimes, just like Scoochie does.
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Wow everybody is very sensitive on here. I did not say Cooke was a bad player, quite opposite he is a great player. I have always been a fan and defended him on this board when others said he was selfish and wasn't good for the team's chemistry. But it is a constructive criticism that he needs a better handle if he wants to go to the next level. If someone can find it, because I couldn't, but there was a scouting report on him by NBA scouts last year when they evaluated him when he put his name in the draft that he needed to improve his ball handling skills. And it was not just the time he got picked last night but other times last night and throughout the year that he fumbles the ball a lot when dribbling. He is great against pressure because he has great size and can see over it. That's all nothing more. Every player has deficiencies and IMHO ball handling is his and I'm sure he knows it and is working at it. AGAIN HE IS A GREAT PLAYER BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN HE DOESN'T HAVE THINGS HE HAS TO WORK ON IF HE IS GOING TO MAKE THE NBA. It's a tribute to him that he is in the NBA conversation. I hope he makes it!
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Let me start this post by saying that I love Cooke and everything he does for the Flyers, but for all of those who didn't agree with my assessment of his ball handling skills I think tonight's game showed that to be a deficiency in his game.
I bet you were itching in your panties for 33 days to justify yourself here....
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So now he's "great" against pressure? First off, he's not, nor ever been, "great" against pressure but he's darn good which is a far different rhetoric than originally stated.Being "great" or even good against pressure means far more than having great size and seeing over it. What he is able to do is to "beat" pressure because he can actually handle the ball with either hand, is very decisive, is not a high dribbler, is very athletic and has excellent speed..
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Will Cooke play on Saturday or rest his ankle?
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I bet you were itching in your panties for 33 days to justify yourself here....
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Like it or not, what he says is correct, but you have to put it in context. Cooke is great in straight line drives near the basket as we saw all night long beating his man 1:1. Cooke is not great, or even good, handling the ball against pressure 40 feet from the basket, as we saw all night long. He had multiple turnovers against the extended zone trying to dribble around to create passing lanes. . . you know, like a PG would. But even in traffic, where it's 1 or 2 power dribbles and shoot he does very well.
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Wow everybody is very sensitive on here. I did not say Cooke was a bad player, quite opposite he is a great player. I have always been a fan and defended him on this board when others said he was selfish and wasn't good for the team's chemistry. But it is a constructive criticism that he needs a better handle if he wants to go to the next level. If someone can find it, because I couldn't, but there was a scouting report on him by NBA scouts last year when they evaluated him when he put his name in the draft that he needed to improve his ball handling skills. And it was not just the time he got picked last night but other times last night and throughout the year that he fumbles the ball a lot when dribbling. He is great against pressure because he has great size and can see over it. That's all nothing more. Every player has deficiencies and IMHO ball handling is his and I'm sure he knows it and is working at it. AGAIN HE IS A GREAT PLAYER BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN HE DOESN'T HAVE THINGS HE HAS TO WORK ON IF HE IS GOING TO MAKE THE NBA. It's a tribute to him that he is in the NBA conversation. I hope he makes it!
Let me start this post by saying I like you CT Flyer and what you have done for the Flyers but what don't you get? It wasn't the comment as much as the timing. The Flyers win one of the biggest home games at UD Arena and you post that within the hour? What did you expect?
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Let me start this post by saying I like you CT Flyer and what you have done for the Flyers but what don't you get? It wasn't the comment as much as the timing. The Flyers win one of the biggest home games at UD Arena and you post that within the hour? What did you expect?
I respectfully disagree CE80. His timing is fine because doing it either during or right after the game puts it in context. I don't get these unwritten rules that we can't breakdown observations, even negative ones, after a big win. The win makes it easier to swallow.
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I respectfully disagree CE80. His timing is fine because doing it either during or right after the game puts it in context. I don't get these unwritten rules that we can't breakdown observations, even negative ones, after a big win. The win makes it easier to swallow.
I guess we will just have to respectfully agree to respectfully disagree
I don't object to the criticism and I guess it is not just the timing is also the how. It is one thing to express the criticism in the course of discussing the game, it is another thing to dig up an old thread to do it. When I'm not even done with my second post game celebratory beer, I don't want to be stirred up.

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All I know is I looked up at the scoreboard mid-2nd half and Cooke had 20 points. That was the quietest 20 points I've ever seen. But he has been really expending himself on defense lately, and I'm sure that takes a bit of steam out of what he's doing on offense. He needs a rest sometimes, just like Scoochie does.
From my viewpoint Cooke was out of sorts for this game. Even his defense early on was lazy. He got bailed out a few times for that point total imo. The gt'ing call was a prayer on his part. The injury just happened to coincide with a most-terrible looking attempt to score I've seen from him, personally. Not saying it was fake but just saying, human nature might've played a part in it looking worse than it was. Now I'm a Cooke fan, as some on here know but I have to be honest. By the same token I criticised Kyle's play early in the season and he's my favorite Flyer, which some know too. I am shifting money in my account though. Scoochie is far-and-away the player with the most pro potential on the team imo. Thought Cooke would blow up his senior year and he has done well, but not like I'd thought. So far anyhow. Forgiveness will be asked for if he blows up in the tournament. Got a feeling Scoochie will definitely rise to the occasion. Not leaving out Kendall for best player endorsement, we just have three great players on this team. Kendall is like a volatile stock to me. His bests are great but his worst leave a mark too. Might be too hard on Kendall. He is definitely capable of being the team's best player. I likened him to Barkley after I saw him play as a freshman and I've loved him ever since. Think he has a chance in the NBA.
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I bet you were itching in your panties for 33 days to justify yourself here....
He's right.
And please try to refrain from demeaning remarks that could get you embarrassed.
It's his clear-cut weakness looking forward to the nba. I think most of that is due to his decision-making but he needs work on his handle to get to the NBA imo.
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From my viewpoint Cooke was out of sorts for this game. Even his defense early on was lazy. He got bailed out a few times for that point total imo. The gt'ing call was a prayer on his part. The injury just happened to coincide with a most-terrible looking attempt to score I've seen from him, personally. Not saying it was fake but just saying, human nature might've played a part in it looking worse than it was. Now I'm a Cooke fan, as some on here know but I have to be honest. By the same token I criticised Kyle's play early in the season and he's my favorite Flyer, which some know too. I am shifting money in my account though. Scoochie is far-and-away the player with the most pro potential on the team imo. Thought Cooke would blow up his senior year and he has done well, but not like I'd thought. So far anyhow. Forgiveness will be asked for if he blows up in the tournament. Got a feeling Scoochie will definitely rise to the occasion. Not leaving out Kendall for best player endorsement, we just have three great players on this team. Kendall is like a volatile stock to me. His bests are great but his worst leave a mark too. Might be too hard on Kendall. He is definitely capable of being the team's best player. I likened him to Barkley after I saw him play as a freshman and I've loved him ever since. Think he has a chance in the NBA.
Back in 2013-2014 season, it seemed like all the players were unselfish and knew to play within themselves. Out of absolute necessity that was also the case the following season. Scooch and Kyle have kept that team first mentality. But three players tend to want to deviate from that occasionally and with the fine line between winning a losing, we are lucky it hasn't cost us yet. Those 3 players are Pollard, Cooke and Crosby. Baby D(to a fault maybe), Mikesell and XW seem to always have that team first mentality. Miller and Trey I have no clue yet.

I really, really want to see Crosby totally forget about himself and think team all of the time because it starts at the point. I really believe that the team play of 2013-2014 carried all the way to now because Scooch and Kyle saw and learned. It can be lost though and it's going to be up to Crosby to keep it going.

Let me again say that Cooke has certainly improved in that aspect as has for a couple games Crosby. Kendall just can't help himself sometimes and it gets him into trouble sometimes.
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it may have been said in the game thread but I though Kendall came out too amped up. He tried to force it too much. Triede to stretch his abilities. I was thinking Archie sat him early and for a fair amount of time to let him calm down a bit.
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Cooke doesn't raise his game as the competition rises like Scoochie and Kyle are able to do. Puts them on another level. Too bad Kyle's (level) doesn't look to progress upward like Scoochie's in regard to the nba. I don't agree with your saga that Cooke is any less a team-player for it. He just thinks he's the best scorer on the floor. And he may be right.
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At the risk of being a CC apologist, I think the times he looked the worst were the times that he had the ball and the shot clock was at or less than 5 seconds. It seemed to me that AM tried to take the air out of the ball in the second half and CC is good at creating his own shot. It seemed like when he got the ball at certain possessions he didnt have a lot of time and looked rushed and therefore not very smooth from a handling perspective.
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Here's a thought.... maybe the guy guarding Charles was a dang good defender???????
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At the risk of being a CC apologist, I think the times he looked the worst were the times that he had the ball and the shot clock was at or less than 5 seconds. It seemed to me that AM tried to take the air out of the ball in the second half and CC is good at creating his own shot. It seemed like when he got the ball at certain possessions he didnt have a lot of time and looked rushed and therefore not very smooth from a handling perspective.
I agree. Look at the number of assists Cooke has had in A10 play. How many times does he drive the middle then kick out to a wide open teammate?

At times when the offense stagnates, it appears that the coaching staff ask him to force something. He gets into trouble during those times.

Pollard has the same tendency at times. He tries to create something that is not there.
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Here's a thought.... maybe the guy guarding Charles was a dang good defender???????
Absolutely true, he has had good defenders on him all year which makes his stats even more impressive. But if he is to make the NBA he will also have dang good defenders on him.
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I think a lot of Cooke's dribbling was 30-40 feet from the basket as time would wind down. He did it a few times.
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At the risk of being a CC apologist, I think the times he looked the worst were the times that he had the ball and the shot clock was at or less than 5 seconds. It seemed to me that AM tried to take the air out of the ball in the second half and CC is good at creating his own shot. It seemed like when he got the ball at certain possessions he didnt have a lot of time and looked rushed and therefore not very smooth from a handling perspective.
Also, he was 0-3 on last second "chuck up 3s".
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I agree. Look at the number of assists Cooke has had in A10 play. How many times does he drive the middle then kick out to a wide open teammate?

At times when the offense stagnates, it appears that the coaching staff ask him to force something. He gets into trouble during those times.

Pollard has the same tendency at times. He tries to create something that is not there.
There's a reason Archie tries to isolate both of them on one side of the floor. What they are doing is what he wants.

There have been relatively few times he's ever pulled either for one on one play. That tells me that if they stay on the court they are playing within the design of what he wants.

Each team is different and Archie will modify what he wants in relation to the players he has. He still wants motion and ball movement, but when he has players who can score in isolation he will use that. And when he has guys who can't create, he won't.
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Cooke doesn't raise his game as the competition rises like Scoochie and Kyle are able to do. Puts them on another level. Too bad Kyle's (level) doesn't look to progress upward like Scoochie's in regard to the nba. I don't agree with your saga that Cooke is any less a team-player for it. He just thinks he's the best scorer on the floor. And he may be right.
I'm sure Jordan Sibert thought he was the best scorer on the floor and I don't remember the term selfish ever used to describe his play. Look, when you have a B-Rob and nobody else, then it makes sense, but he's played with Pierre, Pollard, Scooch, Kyle, XW, Big Steve, Baby D and RM and those guys weren't thrown out there to be his supporting cast. Everyone of them can score with good ball movement. And Cooke benefits by good ball movement too, whether it be great driving lanes, open 3s or great openings for assists.

When things are getting tough, I want the ball in Scoochie's hands more. Like I said, Cooke is doing a much better job now than he did between last season and the start of this season. His D is fantastic and when he gets in the rhythm of the passing game, the team hums.
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From my viewpoint Cooke was out of sorts for this game. Even his defense early on was lazy.
I hope Cooke is out of sorts and lazy on defense like this every game. I'll take 20 on 7-of-14 shooting and 5 assists. Yes, he was sloppy a few times with his ball handling. He was also forced to create something a few times when we milked the shot clock. Perhaps you're right about his D at beginning. Honestly don't remember. But I thought he was locked in overall. He and Kyle Davis both did a great job anticipating passes on several plays.
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I hope Cooke is out of sorts and lazy on defense like this every game. I'll take 20 on 7-of-14 shooting and 5 assists. Yes, he was sloppy a few times with his ball handling. He was also forced to create something a few times when we milked the shot clock. Perhaps you're right about his D at beginning. Honestly don't remember. But I thought he was locked in overall. He and Kyle Davis both did a great job anticipating passes on several plays.
I'll give you that. Especially the milking of the clock which I believe is a ridiculous strategy. Why can't we move the ball throughout the possession looking for the easy opening? If we do that, at least they don't know we're milking it and aren't sitting back waiting to have to play 10 seconds of Defense. We didn't build our lead milking it and I think we let them back in the game by doing so.

If we play this team one more time, I hope we never milk the clock and our bigs learn that once the ball is inside to MAC, let him have it at least for the first half so they stay out of foul trouble.
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You know what I've noticed Cooke is terrible at? Shooting a pull up jumper from 10-15 feet off the dribble. (Not the floater) I don't think he's hit that shot 1 time all season and he takes between 1 - 2 every game. Every time he puts the ball on the floor and pulls up I say out loud "that's not going in" and I haven't been wrong yet.

The reason I'm stressing this so hard is that I can't figure out why. He's got to practice that every day yet it NEVER goes in. He does everything right: collects himself, creates space, follows through, it just has to go in. But it NEVER does.

Has anyone else noticed that?
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Yeah, you're right. And the thing I've noticed is his pull-up jumpers are normally on-line, just long or short. Mostly long as I recall
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