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12th rated St. Mary's trails UT-Arlington 36-23 at the half! Calvin Hermanson who lit UD up for 16 points has 0 pts on 0 for 5 shooting including 0 for 2 on 3 pointers. Jock Landale, who had 15 against the Flyers has 7 pts.


Kevin Hervey, a hometown product from Arlington, Texas, has 11 points for UT-Arlington.

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UT Arlington beats St. Mary's on the road by 14.
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Gaels did not come ready to play. We need to be ready on Saturday.
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SMC dropped from #4 to #17 in the rpi...UTA improves from #39 to #20.
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UT Arlington beats St. Mary's on the road by 14.
Yes, final is 65-51. Calvin Hermanson with only 5 points on 2-9 shooting (1 for 7 on 3 pointers)! Jock Landale ended up with 14 points. Kevin Hervey led UT-Arlington with 15 pts.

St. Mary's is now 6-1. The list of undefeated teams is now 8. Notre Dame, Baylor, Creighton, Villanova, UCLA, USC, South Carolina and Gonzaga. My guess is UCLA will be the last one to get beat, if at all. Any one else care to take a guess?
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A-10 headed for 1-3 bids. Right now I would say Dayton and Rhody as 10/11 seeds. A-10 absolutely terrible OOC.
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Yes, final is 65-51. Calvin Hermanson with only 5 points on 2-9 shooting (1 for 7 on 3 pointers)! Jock Landale ended up with 14 points. Kevin Hervey led UT-Arlington with 15 pts.

St. Mary's is now 6-1. The list of undefeated teams is now 8. Notre Dame, Baylor, Creighton, Villanova, UCLA, USC, South Carolina and Gonzaga. My guess is UCLA will be the last one to get beat, if at all. Any one else care to take a guess?
Villanova the defending National Champion would be my pick because of their defense. UCLA has great talent and is a great offensive team. This could well be Steve Alford's best team ever.
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12/8/16

A10
St. John's 90 v. Fordham 62
UMass 72 v. Pacific 48

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UT-Arlington 65 @ #12 St. Mary's 51
Middle Tennessee 71 v. Vanderbilt 48

Top 25
Iowa 78 v. #25 Iowa St. 64
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Seems like this deserves a notation-

Savannah State has not won a D-1 game this year. A week ago they lost at Oregon 128-59 - the largest margin of victory in the country this year - 69 points. Tonight Savannah State won at Oregon State 93-90. Amazing.
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Providence 75 v. UMass 69
Houston 82 v. Rhode Island 77
Duquesne 70 v. Central Conn. 67
George Mason 79 @ Penn 60
Georgetown 93 v. LaSalle 78
GW 79 v. Howard 62
UNC-Wilmington 81 @ St. Bonaventure 80
Manhattan 60 v. Fordham 53
Richmond 78 v. UMBC 75
VCU 67 @ Old Dominion 64
SLU 45 v. Chicago St. 43
St. Joseph's 72 @ Drexel 71

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#3 Kansas 89 v. Nebraska 72
#15 W. Virginia 90 v. VMI 55
Fort Wayne 98 v. Austin Peay 58
New Mexico St. 84 v. New Mexico 71
#12 St. Mary's 84 v. UC-Irvine 53
#24 Oregon 65 v. Alabama 56
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Portland @ Boise St. postponed due to weather in Portland preventing travel

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#1 Villanova 74 v. #23 Notre Dame 66
#2 UCLA 102 v. Michigan 84
#5 Duke 94 @ UNLV 45
#8 Gonzaga 61 v. Akron 43
#9 Indiana 103 v. Houston Bapt. 61
#11 Louisville 102 v. TX Southern 71
#13 Xavier 77 v. Utah 69
#16 Butler 75 v. #22 Cincinnati 65
#17 Wisconsin 93 @ Marquette 84
#18 Purdue 77 v. Cleveland St. 53
#20 Arizona 79 @ Mizzou 60
#6 Kentucky 96 v. Hofstra 73
#7 N. Carolina 73 v. Tennessee 71
Florida St. 83 v. #21 Florida 78

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Temple 74 @ DePaul 65
Iona 79 v. Ohio U. 75
Pitt 81 v. Penn St. 73
Miami (O) 71 v. IUPUI 68
Wichita St. 76 @ Oklahoma 73
Ohio St. 64 v. UConn 60
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The A10 continues to struggle.
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12/12/16

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George Mason 97 v. Longwood 60

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Seton Hall 67 v. #16 S. Carolina 64
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The A10 continues to struggle.
Unless things turn around, it looks like the A10 might only get two NCAA bids this year (the auto bid + one at-large bid). RPI forecast has A10 as 8th rated conference, but just barely ahead of Mountain West who in forecast as the 9th rated conference.
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And then there was 6! With Seton Hall giving South Carolina their first loss last night and Notre Dame losing 74-66 to #1 Villanova last Saturday there remains only six undefeated teams: Baylor, Creighton, Villanova, UCLA, USC and Gonzaga.
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Rollo, what is the rule on clock errors? The clock is not supposed to start until the ball has been touched by a player on the court.


MSU vs. FGCU game from a few weeks ago.


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*did the Russians intervene?

The ref on the court was the one who started the clock in this game so he is 100% to blame. In HS, the ref chops his arm down and trusts that the clock operator is paying attention...which isn't always the case.

Clock errors are reviewable in college so I'm not sure why this error wasn't corrected*...strange situation for sure....but from what I read, the refs determined that the running clock didn't affect the missed shot. Had the shooter made the jump-hook - even after the horn went off - the refs would have counted it. And in all honesty, I think it's the right call.
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NW and ETSU both pull out wins.
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ETSU 67, Miss State 65 on a tip-in with 1.4 seconds left.

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The ref on the court was the one who started the clock in this game so he is 100% to blame. In HS, the ref chops his arm down and trusts that the clock operator is paying attention...which isn't always the case.

Clock errors are reviewable in college so I'm not sure why this error wasn't corrected*...strange situation for sure....but from what I read, the refs determined that the running clock didn't affect the missed shot. Had the shooter made the jump-hook - even after the horn went off - the refs would have counted it. And in all honesty, I think it's the right call.
I dislike the call...it should have been a do-over IMO...the buzzer was going off when the FGCU player was shooting...that may have caused him to rush the shot.
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The ref on the court was the one who started the clock in this game so he is 100% to blame. In HS, the ref chops his arm down and trusts that the clock operator is paying attention...which isn't always the case.

Clock errors are reviewable in college so I'm not sure why this error wasn't corrected*...strange situation for sure....but from what I read, the refs determined that the running clock didn't affect the missed shot. Had the shooter made the jump-hook - even after the horn went off - the refs would have counted it. And in all honesty, I think it's the right call.
I wouldn't be so sure if they would have counted the basket if he made it. Remember where this game is...in Izzo-ville. Interesting how, even though the official on the court starts the clock, the broadcasters had no clue as they blamed the clock operator at the table. They need Rollo behind the mic. Wait...what am I saying?
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I wouldn't be so sure if they would have counted the basket if he made it. Remember where this game is...in Izzo-ville. Interesting how, even though the official on the court starts the clock, the broadcasters had no clue as they blamed the clock operator at the table. They need Rollo behind the mic. Wait...what am I saying?
If the refs determined that the ball was released within 1.6 seconds of being caught, they have no choice but to count it regardless of what the clock said

Conversely, had the horn sounded before the player caught the ball and because of that he simply sulked and held the ball or something similar, then the refs would have no choice but to replay the final 1.6 seconds because their mistake obviously confused the shooter into NOT shooting.

Because he caught the pass and shot it immediately, the early starting of the clock had no bearing on whether or not it went in.

Conversely, had the ref NOT started the clock and the player caught, pumped faked, dribbled twice and drove to the hoop for a dunk, the refs would have had no choice but to realize the clock error and go to the replay where they would measure how long it took the player to catch, drive and shoot the ball. If they determined it took 2.1 seconds, they would by rule have to disallow the shot.

All hell would break loose, but that doesn't make it wrong. Same with the actual situation.
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If that shot had gone in, there is no way in the world it would have counted...it would have been a definite do-over...the refs made the wrong call here.
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If that shot had gone in, there is no way in the world it would have counted...it would have been a definite do-over...the refs made the wrong call here.
"...Points scored, time consumed and additional activity that may occur before the recognition of the (timing) error shall not be nullified..."

In other words, 'that shot' would have counted...
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Here's a situation from Feb, 2016.

0.8 sec left in OT#1. Team inbounds ball and player hits a 3 to win.

Replay shows that the clock didn't start quickly enough and using a stopwatch the refs showed that the shot took 1.3 seconds to release and shouldn't have counted. Basket nullified. Team ends up losing in OT#2.

Just saying that the clock isn't perfect and the refs - by rule - have the authority to change close calls.

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"...Points scored, time consumed and additional activity that may occur before the recognition of the (timing) error shall not be nullified..."

In other words, 'that shot' would have counted...
I'd pay good $$ to turn back time, have the shot go in, refs review/reverse, and watch Izzo's head explode....BOOM!
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I watched the first half of the UCLA game. They looked unbeatable. TJ Leaf, 6'10", might be the best Freshman this year, and close to the best player in college basketball. Off the chart stats and shooting percentage, and can shoot the three. Hard to believe he will not go in the top 3 in the draft. He played half of the game and went for 25 and 10 with 8 assists. If they play like that Saturday against OSU, it will be a route.
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That Nebraska loss looks worse with each game. They're now 5-6 after losing at home to Gardner-Webb 70 to 62.
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Amen. The Nebraska and NW losses will keep on giving in a negative way. If you schedule average teams, you had better beat them.
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And just to add to the misery Bama is down 24-12 at home in the first half against Clemson. A loss would drop them to 5-5.
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Nebraska 6-16 versus Dayton from 3; 3-17 versus Gardner Webb from 3. Shooting 28% for the year from 3. Shot much better than average versus Dayton and hence won; shot much worse than average versus Gardner Webb and lost.

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With yesterday’s 112-67 rout of UMKC, West Virginia head coach Bob Huggins became just the 10th coach in NCAA Division I history to win his 800th career game. Huggins now joins a college basketball who’s who of coaches that includes Mike Krzyzewski, Bob Knight, Jim Boeheim, Dean Smith, Adolph Rupp, Jim Calhoun, Jim Phelan, Eddie Sutton and Rollie Massimino. His career record now stands at 800-322, including a 210-111 mark at his alma mater. Huggins also became the second coach this week to achieve the 800-win mark, as Keiser University head coach Rollie Massimino accomplished the feat on Wednesday.
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Is it safe to say that this Austin Peay team may be one of the worst we have ever played???
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VMI is pretty terrible, that's the Friday night game.
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NW is up to more of the same. Up on a mediocre Penn St team 51-32 at the half.
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Nebraska goes into #16 Indiana and wins 87-83. Still hope that Nebraska does not end up being a bad loss for us.
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Better than Nebraska losing to IU; but Indiana was only 99 in RPI going into the game, with an SOS of 283?????

How in the hell do justify them being ranked 16? Amazing!
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Better than Nebraska losing to IU; but Indiana was only 99 in RPI going into the game, with an SOS of 283?????

How in the hell do justify them being ranked 16? Amazing!
Indiana #19 in kenpom after the game. They are good.
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I didn't say they are not any good; but rather I questioned how a team with a 283 SOS and 99 RPI a dozen games into the season can be ranked 16. Simple, Ranking comes from name only. See a #1 ranked UK who gave up 100 points on their own famous 24,000 seat arena floor, to another over-ranked, haven't plaid anybody UCLA Bruins....all name no justification for top rankings.
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I didn't say they are not any good; but rather I questioned how a team with a 283 SOS and 99 RPI a dozen games into the season can be ranked 16. Simple, Ranking comes from name only. See a #1 ranked UK who gave up 100 points on their own famous 24,000 seat arena floor, to another over-ranked, haven't plaid anybody UCLA Bruins....all name no justification for top rankings.
Well, mostly because RPI is completely meaningless at this point in the season. And UCLA Has 3 lottery picks that are playing at an extremely high level on their team right now (despite a buzzer beating loss at a top 15 Oregon team). If you don't think UK and UCLA are good (if not quite literally the best) teams then how do you watch a single Atlantic 10 team ever play?
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Then there is Minnesota. Pitino Jr figured the way to get Gopher fans off his back after a gawdawful year in 15-16 was to schedule a mediocre home-game-heavy non-con. Before losing to Mich St in OT this week, the Gophers were 12-1 and 11-0 at home. That's AT HOME. Not any holiday tournament, no exempt games, AT HOME. They will play TWENTY home games this season.
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Indiana #19 in kenpom after the game. They are good.
Does that justify the absurd ranking? They have played an abysmal schedule and still have three losses. Rankings should be about what you have done, not what you could or should be doing.
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Does that justify the absurd ranking? They have played an abysmal schedule and still have three losses. Rankings should be about what you have done, not what you could or should be doing.
Indiana has beaten North Carolina and Kansas, two top 6 kenpom teams. They are one of a few teams with two top 10 wins OOC, but also have head-scratching losses. 15-20 is the right ranking based upon all the computer analytics. RPI is not only meaningless now, but meaningless at the end of the season for judging how good a team is. Only use is for NCAA Committee categorizing top 50/100 wins which yes is important. Look at sagarin or kenpom for objective rankings of teams.
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There you fellas go again, I never said UK, UCLA, or IU weren't any good. Rather you illigitimatly put that in my mouth. Nice try, interesting reading on your part, but not true.

Okay top 50 or 100 counts as credibility within RPI SOS or who you play; but your individual RPI rankings don't count or are meaningless???; and the NCAA fully recognizes this phenomenon, and pauses to remind themselves that your opponents RPI rankings really means something, but your specific ranking is worthless data????????

It's hard, if not impossible to take this seriously. It's down right absurd.

So where do you think IU ends up RPI wise on Selection Sunday? They are currently 134.

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There you fellas go again, I never said UK, UCLA, or IU weren't any good. Rather you illigitimatly put that in my mouth. Nice try, interesting reading on your part, but not true.

Okay top 50 or 100 counts as credibility within RPI SOS or who you play; but your individual RPI rankings don't count or are meaningless???; and the NCAA fully recognizes this phenomenon, and pauses to remind themselves that your opponents RPI rankings really means something, but your specific ranking is worthless data????????

It's hard, if not impossible to take this seriously. It's down right absurd.

So where do you think IU ends up RPI wise on Selection Sunday? They are currently 134.
Indiana likely will finish (about 80-85% confidence) between 13 and 33 RPI with a most likely RPI of 24. See http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Indiana.html By the way, this was pre their loss to Nebraska and later today will be updated.

Yes the committee has been pretty clear that individual RPI ranking number is becoming less and less important in seeding and selecting teams. More important is the absolute number of top 25/50 wins and to a lesser extent top 100 wins. See Texas absolute ranking of 51 in RPI in 2015 and 3-12 top 50 and 6-14 top 100 and they were not even in the first four! See Indiana 63 absolute ranking and 4-10 top 50 and 7-13 top 100. Committee is more concerned about absolute number of top 50/100 wins, particularly top 25/50 wins then record (Texas and Indiana had some big top 25 wins in 2015). As a reminder, Dayton 29 absolute ranking in 2015 with 3-4 top 50 and 8-7 top 100 and Dayton was last team in! See http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/nitty-clear

They also claim RPI is one of many factors and they also look at sagarin, kenpom, etc. But they have a material bias in that when they have the nitty gritty report and look at top 50/100 wins and 101+ losses, they use RPI rankings of teams to categorize wins/losses. It is absurd in that there is not statistical difference between 45 and 55 RPI ranking, but the way the data is presented in the nitty gritty report makes such a distinction important. To add to the absurdity, the NCAA Committee's use of top 50/100 teams does not account as much for where the game was played which is even more absurd (they list the information, but default really quick to top 25/50/100 wins). Beating the #90 team away is the same as #50 neutral which is the same is #20 home according to kenpom (this gives big advantage to P5 schools as they play a lot of home games versus top teams).

So please forget most of the conventional wisdom we all have heard about RPI. The NCAA Committee has moved materially the last years.

Beatty Town Coach, you might want to refrain from loaded comments like "It's hard, if not impossible to take this seriously. It's down right absurd."

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Indiana has beaten North Carolina and Kansas, two top 6 kenpom teams. They are one of a few teams with two top 10 wins OOC, but also have head-scratching losses. 15-20 is the right ranking based upon all the computer analytics. RPI is not only meaningless now, but meaningless at the end of the season for judging how good a team is. Only use is for NCAA Committee categorizing top 50/100 wins which yes is important. Look at sagarin or kenpom for objective rankings of teams.
You'd have a good point IF the selection committee didn't use the RPI, but they do.
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Yes the committee has been pretty clear that individual RPI ranking number is becoming less and less important in seeding and selecting teams. More important is the absolute number of top 25/50 wins and to a lesser extent top 100 wins. See Texas absolute ranking of 51 in RPI in 2015 and 3-12 top 50 and 6-14 top 100 and they were not even in the first four! See Indiana 63 absolute ranking and 4-10 top 50 and 7-13 top 100. Committee is more concerned about absolute number of top 50/100 wins, particularly top 25/50 wins then record (Texas and Indiana had some big top 25 wins in 2015). As a reminder, Dayton 29 absolute ranking in 2015 with 3-4 top 50 and 8-7 top 100 and Dayton was last team in! See http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/nitty-clear
Why was UD the last team in then?

I guess it was the sos...UD SOS 88...Indiana SOS 29...Texas SOS 22.

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Then there is Minnesota. Pitino Jr figured the way to get Gopher fans off his back after a gawdawful year in 15-16 was to schedule a mediocre home-game-heavy non-con. Before losing to Mich St in OT this week, the Gophers were 12-1 and 11-0 at home. That's AT HOME. Not any holiday tournament, no exempt games, AT HOME. They will play TWENTY home games this season.
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Yes, Minnesota is playing 20 home and 11 away/neutral.

Their schedule is good though...projected sos of 24...7 top 100 OOC opponents or big name OOC opponents vs. 7 top 100 or big name OOC opponents for UD.

Minnesota is projected to be a 7 seed.

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Why was UD the last team in then?

I guess it was the sos...UD SOS 88...Indiana SOS 29...Texas SOS 22.
Believe Indiana's and Texas' 3-4 top 50 wins each were top 25 wins whereas Dayton's top 50 wins were 26-50. So "quality of top 50 wins" plus SOS.

By the way, totally disagree with NCAA Committee here as Texas and Indiana top 25 wins at home and had tons of chances for them. Dayton had zero opportunities for top 25 home wins.
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In a mild upset Oregon beat UCLA last night.
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Where should IU be ranked now?? 10th???...based on recent logic.

They are obviously a powerhouse....too funny!
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Beatty....they are from a Power-5 Conference. They pass the "eye test". Also their resume speaks for itself. Don't forget they have more Top 50 wins then (insert non-Power 5 school), and they went 3-12 versus Top 50 and (insert non-Power 5 school) went 2-1. They just felt the "body of work" was better.
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Anyone notice that Richmond, and our nemesis TJ Cline, won at Davidson. Richmond, despite a bad record will be a pain in the A10. Davidson appears to have two very good players, and the rest struggle.

Also Shavar Newkirk, St. Joe's top scorer, is out for the year with an ACL.
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Former Calipari/UK assistant Orlando Antigua was just fired at South Florida...the timing seems odd...I wonder what happened?

This was his 3rd year at USF...his win/loss record at USF was not very good.



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Former Calipari/UK assistant Orlando Antigua was just fired at South Florida...the timing seems odd...I wonder what happened?

This was his 3rd year at USF...his win/loss record at USF was not very good.
When you are cheating, and you're still losing 2 out of every 3 games you play, that's about as bad as it gets. NCAA is currently investigating for academic fraud. His brother who was on staff was forced to resign previously. Maybe by cutting the head off the snake now, the NCAA will show a bit of mercy on USF down the road.
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Former Calipari/UK assistant Orlando Antigua was just fired at South Florida...the timing seems odd...I wonder what happened?

This was his 3rd year at USF...his win/loss record at USF was not very good.



http://hoopdirt.com/breaking-orlando...south-florida/


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orla...oaching_record
We are now 1/2 into the season. This is about the time coaches start getting let go, especially if they had a real poor overall record.
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We are now 1/2 into the season. This is about the time coaches start getting let go, especially if they had a real poor overall record.
That may be true, but I think Orlando Antigua's release was probably not related to his overall record.
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We are now 1/2 into the season. This is about the time coaches start getting let go, especially if they had a real poor overall record.
I don't think college coaches should be fired mid-season based upon the season's record. Off the court/field issues are another story.
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That may be true, but I think Orlando Antigua's release was probably not related to his overall record.
No. But that record of his didn't help.
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As much as I hate to post this, but the Big East is doing pretty well considering where the A10 conference stands:

Below is the teams in that 'other league' and the 1st number is the current AP poll, 2nd number is the Coaches poll and the last number is the RPI

Villanova 1 1 1
Creighton 10 10 6
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Butler 18 18 8
Seton Hall rec' votes rec' votes 25
Providence n/a n/a 46

Although Dayton possesses an RPI of 44, VCU a 28 and RI a 33 and VCU is the only A10 program receiving votes in the AP is it a fact that those BE teams have a change to play up their ranking during the Conference while the A10 is forced to fight each other for what? Maybe a 2 bid conference but that's it.
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Anybody see the ESPN article that the ACC is on course to get 11+ bids. Absurd.
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Small time Indiana loses again, and again, and again. I haven't even mentioned Fort Wayne yet.

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As much as I hate to post this, but the Big East is doing pretty well considering where the A10 conference stands:

Below is the teams in that 'other league' and the 1st number is the current AP poll, 2nd number is the Coaches poll and the last number is the RPI

Villanova 1 1 1
Creighton 10 10 6
`-avitar 16 16 5
Butler 18 18 8
Seton Hall rec' votes rec' votes 25
Providence n/a n/a 46

Although Dayton possesses an RPI of 44, VCU a 28 and RI a 33 and VCU is the only A10 program receiving votes in the AP is it a fact that those BE teams have a change to play up their ranking during the Conference while the A10 is forced to fight each other for what? Maybe a 2 bid conference but that's it.
You can't really draw that conclusion yet concerning the A10 potential ncaa bids. If 3 or 4 teams totally separate from the pack, then the A10 still has a legitimate shot at three or four bids. Plus, there is no way of factoring the exact impact of conference tournament until you see the final regular season standings k, and the A10 Tournament play itself out.

A whole bunch can happen between now and selection Sunday. Go Flyers, Go A10!
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Rhode Island 88 v. St. Joseph's 58

Flyer foes
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Top 25
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#6 Kentucky 100 v. A&M 58
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#14 N. Carolina 89 @ Clemson 86 (OT)
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That may be true, but I think Orlando Antigua's release was probably not related to his overall record.
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I don't think college coaches should be fired mid-season based upon the season's record. Off the court/field issues are another story.
I agree with you guys. I was just pointing out that typically 1 or 2 coaches a year start losing their jobs around this point and each year people freak out about it. By this point, it's becoming SOP. Some athletic directors believe if they are not going to keep a guy around, it is better to fire them early, to not only get a jump on the search, but to be fair to the person they are letting go.
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Clemson coach Brownell directing some heated words and finger-pointing at UNC coach Roy Williams, during the post-game handshake.


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The reason for the outburst? Brownell was reportedly irked by the fact that UNC senior Kennedy Meeks was trash-talking throughout the game, including making comments toward Clemson's bench.
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Butler stops Nova's 20 game winning streak. 66-58.
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Davidson with a bad loss and two straight. Nebraska helping us, who would have thunk?
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New Mexico with a 19 point lead with 3:36 left against Nevada at the Pit. Goes to OT and loses by 1 on a trey with 2 seconds left.

Nevada hits 5 straight treys at the end of regulation - 2 of them bank shots.

I watched it but I still don't believe it.
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New Mexico with a 19 point lead with 3:36 left against Nevada at the Pit. Goes to OT and loses by 1 on a trey with 2 seconds left.

Nevada hits 5 straight treys at the end of regulation - 2 of them bank shots.

I watched it but I still don't believe it.
Sigh, need NM to be top 100 win ....
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New Mexico with a 19 point lead with 3:36 left against Nevada at the Pit. Goes to OT and loses by 1 on a trey with 2 seconds left.

Nevada hits 5 straight treys at the end of regulation - 2 of them bank shots.

I watched it but I still don't believe it.

That was perhaps the most insane comeback I've ever seen. NM dominated the game until a flurry of crazy banked circus treys. Then it looked like NM had the game back under control in the OT (up by 5) until the final dagger trey. Madness.
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http://www.predictionmachine.com/Nev...-Live-01-07-17

Over a 97% chance of winning with a little over a minute left. That is nuts.
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Richmond beats GW 77-70, as TJ Cline has another double double. Good thing we have them at home.

UNC pounding NCSt by 33 at the half. Not good for their coach, as this was the year they thought they would compete with UNC and Duke. Gottfried continues to get some decent players, but he cannot get over the hump.
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http://www.predictionmachine.com/Nev...-Live-01-07-17

Over a 97% chance of winning with a little over a minute left. That is nuts.

And a 99.9% (literally) chance of winning with 2:42 left in regulation?!
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GW at home was down 23 in the 2nd half and closed to 4 in the last minute. Made me think of a certain Miami game. I thought Cline might get a triple double.

My favorite comment was near the end when the announcers discussed Richmond's upcoming schedule. They mentioned Dayton as "one of the country's best teams." May have meant to say "conference" but I liked the sound of what was said.
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Who do we want to win, Northwestern or Nebraska? Game is back and forth (and on Big Ten Network BTW)
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Who do we want to win, Northwestern or Nebraska? Game is back and forth (and on Big Ten Network BTW)
Both!
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I would argue that NW winning helps UD more because we lost to them with Pollard whereas we could argue we weren't at full strength against Nebaska (yes I know we didn't have a Cunningham in either but it's unclear if he will be able to return)
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01/10/17

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George Mason 75 @ St. Joe's 67

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#6 Kentucky 87 @ Vanderbilt 81
#23 Florida 80 @ Alabama 67
UNLV 71 @ New Mexico 66

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#2 Kansas 81 @ Oklahoma 70
#3 Villanova 79 v. #15 Xavier 54
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#23 Florida 80 @ Alabama 67
It was hard to watch Alabama fall apart in the 2nd half. They had a very good chance to win that game.
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Beginning to look like Indiana and Syracuse will have to rely on the "eye test", and "gathering steam" approach to the Dance
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#6 Kentucky 87 @ Vanderbilt 81
Vandy had that down to 1 pt game with 1:38 to go.
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They simply couldn't get any stops. They had to trade threes for twos in the last few minutes to cut the deficit. From the 4:09 mark on, Kentucky scored on every possession but one and scored on EVERY possession from the 3:22 point on. Not going to make a comeback without getting any stops.
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Fordham 60 @ Davidson 54 (!)
Duquesne 73 v. SLU 66
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#11 N. Carolina 93 @ Wake Forest 87
#14 Louisville 85 v. Pitt 80
Michigan St. 65 v. #24 Minnesota 47
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