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I want him on whatever visit mom can make. Dayton has the "mom" appeal like no other program!
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Yeah I was just saying that if we're going to say Rosie outplayed Tisdale then there should be the disclaimer that he wasn't healthy. That's the fair assessment to be made imo. Sorry about the hijack.
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I want him on whatever visit mom can make. Dayton has the "mom" appeal like no other program!
Of the other schools he's visiting, Jay Wright at Villanova seems like he would be pretty good with moms too.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
It really works both ways. Just as many commit to the first school that host them as the last. Davis had visits lined up after us and he committed. I know people say it's good to have the last chance with a guy, but I would take the first chance to blow him away any day of the week. Do well enough on your chance and he won't take those other visits.
I think it depends alot on whether the player is set on taking all his visits before he makes the choice. In that scenario the last visit may be our friend.
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I'm sure this has been posted somewhere over the years, but it may be of interest to revisit the rules and protocol of a typical (that is to say non-Louisville) 'official visit' for a recruit. We just got a verbal from Jordan Davis and the newspaper said his parents were along for his official visit. With the large number of recruits that we need (now only 4 more) and the potential for more than that number paying official visits to the U, I need some recruiting info on the following:

So what can the school officially and legally pay for?

Does it include all round trip transportation from home to school (whether that be plane fare, bus, car, etc) and does it cover the parents expenses for travel too?

I know the school pays for meals and again does that cover parents too? How about lodging? Are there limits to the number of days the school visit can be?

Is there anything else that the school is legally able to pay for during the official visit?

I assume in these costs are the words to the effect, "all reasonable services and expenses that would be typical and expected for normal activities" or something similar.

In advance, thanks for the information!
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Originally Posted by FLYER5 View Post
I think it depends alot on whether the player is set on taking all his visits before he makes the choice. In that scenario the last visit may be our friend.
That's fine, we will have to agree to disagree. I have worked with plenty of coaches over the years (In the MAC, A-10, and MVC) who prefer being first to set the bar or get the kid to commit before he has the chance to go anywhere else.
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Can anyone remember a recruiting class where the Flyers have been competing with so many high level programs?

BG era it seemed like we'd have a couple guys but I feel like everyone that's been seriously linked to the Flyers has had significant power conference interest
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Believe it or not, Jim O'Brien had a number of very high recruits that he chased. He won a few battles (Rodney Horton, Chip Jones, Chip Hare) but more often he lost the battle. Recruiting, unlike horseshoes, is not a "close enough" game. JOB's downfall (well, one of his downfalls) was that he swung for the fences too much but never had a back up plan for an "above average player". By the time he lost on his top recruits he was scrambling to pick up the Marko Pikkar's of college basketball.
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Can anyone remember a recruiting class where the Flyers have been competing with so many high level programs?

BG era it seemed like we'd have a couple guys but I feel like everyone that's been seriously linked to the Flyers has had significant power conference interest
Success begets success! Archie has broken the back of mediocrity and now we are considered a "tier 1" school in the minds of recruits. These young men know who we are and how we play. They know what we know - that their games will improved dramatically under Archie, a legitimate top-five coach in the country!
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Believe it or not, Jim O'Brien had a number of very high recruits that he chased. He won a few battles (Rodney Horton, Chip Jones, Chip Hare) but more often he lost the battle. Recruiting, unlike horseshoes, is not a "close enough" game. JOB's downfall (well, one of his downfalls) was that he swung for the fences too much but never had a back up plan for an "above average player". By the time he lost on his top recruits he was scrambling to pick up the Marko Pikkar's of college basketball.
I've had this debate with people who claim JOB had plenty of talent but couldn't coach. I differ. I think he was a decent enough coach (hard to tell) but had nowhere near the talent to compete. He had 4 wins in a whole season talent. Coaching could not save those teams.
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 View Post
So what can the school officially and legally pay for?

Does it include all round trip transportation from home to school (whether that be plane fare, bus, car, etc) and does it cover the parents expenses for travel too?

I know the school pays for meals and again does that cover parents too? How about lodging? Are there limits to the number of days the school visit can be?

Is there anything else that the school is legally able to pay for during the official visit?
Found this list that Loyola uses:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...VisitRules.pdf
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247 sports uses a crystal ball prediction center where recruiting analysts pick which school players are most likely to commit to. By no means is it dead on but they are right more times than they are wrong for the most part.

4 of the 6 believe that we are the team to beat for McKinley Wright.

http://247sports.com/Player/McKinley-Wright-80550
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
Found this list that Loyola uses:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...VisitRules.pdf
Thanks Swampy! Much appreciated.

Appears the reference as in "B 13.6.2.2.2" are from the NCAA bylaws for official visits. I am sure there are some other sections that tie in to visits since the BOOK is supposed to be rather thick.

After a brief reading seems that coverage on expenses for the parents is extremely limited. An example:

Friends or relatives may not receive cost-free transportation unless they
accompany the prospect at the time the prospect travels in an automobile
to make an official visit. [ B 13.6.2.2.1]


So NO airfare reimbursement for mom and dad.

A prospect on an official visit shall live and take meals as regular students normally do. Local commercial facilities may be used but at a scale comparable to that of normal student life and only within a 30-mile radius of the institutions
campus. [ B 13.7.4]


Written in the form a prospect no mention of providing for a meal to mom and dad.

For prospects that have interested parents that feel strongly about the future of their son/daughter but have limited money for taking a long trip and staying overnight for 2 days(?) with all normal expenditures what are they supposed to do? Not go??

I know there have been way out of bounds recruiting stories but there should be some middle ground to cover some of the parents costs ....

Yes I know my parents did not get reimbursed for their trip out to UD. And Heh!, neither did I! But I was not asked to perform and represent UD in team sports.

Thankfully I was not asked to represent UD in any national limelight ... all I might have been asked (implicitly) to do was carry myself forward in my life activities and career that would not put the degree I earned from UD in serious question as to the fitness of the school both in training skills and providing some sense to life's considerations.

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I realize we are NOT on his radar, but for all you people that love player names....wouldn't it have been awesome if DeAndre Ayton was considering us and became a Flyer

D.Ayton of Dayton. The kid really should come here!!!
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I've had this debate with people who claim JOB had plenty of talent but couldn't coach. I differ. I think he was a decent enough coach (hard to tell) but had nowhere near the talent to compete. He had 4 wins in a whole season talent. Coaching could not save those teams.
Oh he had talent, he just had no concept of how to build a team. He recruited 3-point shooters and totally disregarded recruiting defense. On top of that his players mostly showed no continuous improvement (partly due to the system) and left the program not much better than when they entered. He was a deer in the headlights when it came to in-game adjustments. All in all he was a terrible college coach.
edit: JOB's basketball philosophy was akin to those in the NFL that went all-in with the run-and-shoot offense. Once a defense was set you were doomed.

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Oh he had talent, he just had no concept of how to build a team. He recruited 3-point shooters and totally disregarded recruiting defense. On top of that his players mostly showed no continuous improvement (partly due to the system) and left the program not much better than when they entered. He was a deer in the headlights when it came to in-game adjustments. All in all he was a terrible college coach.
edit: JOB's basketball philosophy was akin to those in the NFL that went all-in with the run-and-shoot offense. Once a defense was set you were doomed.
He had a couple players that could play, but 1/2 the players were embarrassing to watch. Like someone said above, the philosophy seemed to be "Plan A" only. If Plan A didn't work out at a given position there was no Plan B except to look for walk ons.
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All in all he was a terrible college coach.
That pretty much says it all.
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He had a couple players that could play, but 1/2 the players were embarrassing to watch. Like someone said above, the philosophy seemed to be "Plan A" only. If Plan A didn't work out at a given position there was no Plan B except to look for walk ons.
Never heard much from those players because he couldn't develop them beyond the high school players they were. They were doomed to obscurity. You're right that he couldn't recruit. Donoher sold the place even after he left but that didn't last for long. If JOB wasn't a walking "L" he would've stayed in college as a head coach. After failing the first few years no good recruits wanted to come to UD (To lose 125-110) Now, I'm feeling pretty dirty. Think I'll belly up like my man widget.

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Crossing one name off the list who hadn't been mentioned in connection with Dayton in quite some time...

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Verbal Commits ‏@VerbalCommits 45m45 minutes ago

2017 Cristo Rey (MN) F Jericho Sims has received an offer from Dayton. (HT @MWPElite) http://verbalcommits.com/players/jericho-sims

Jericho Sims committed to Shaka and the longhorns FWIW.
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Talented 6'10" Big Man out of Scotch Plains, New Jersey officially visiting right now

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Jordan Pierce, a class of 2017 forward from Union Catholic (NJ) begins his official visit at Dayton today.

Offers from Seton Hall, Temple & just got offered by South Carolina yesterday
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If we have 5 starting Jordan's we might be able to say the team is made up of Jordan-ians!
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Some highlights of Jordan Pierce:

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If we have 5 starting Jordan's we might be able to say the team is made up of Jordan-ians!
Haha, would've bet you were going to say Jordan-Aires. Thank yuh very much..
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Googled his name and found this: http://www.seanmobley.com/
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Googled his name and found this: http://www.seanmobley.com/
Very professional. There are even full game videos.
That is super professional. It's his resume for all to see. I'm surprised we haven't uncovered more of this yet. Maybe he's the trendsetter!
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the last Jordan was pretty good, lets sign as many as we can
For those dreaming of the Jordan Five those hopes took a tough blow a couple of days ago when Jordan Tucker trimmed Dayton from his list. The "All J" dream team is also evaporating with the recent commitments to other schools of Jericho Sims and Justyn Mutts. Tough week on the name game front.
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Nice prospect for sure. His development would be in the right hands at UD. Sadly, it takes me back to the best big man to develop at Dayton in decades. Steve's Freshman highlight reel is all we would have needed going forward.
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But the coaching staff has Steve as a selling point. He made a complete transformation of his body and mind during his stay at UD and the coaching staff made it happen. I do realize that Steve had to want it but he did and the coaching staff showed him a better way.
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Based on his website which was very professional, I'm taking a stab that his college decision will be made very methodically. I like the fact that we are last.
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According to Brian Snow and Adam Finkelstein, Jordan Pierce has committed to UD. 6'10"-ish center from New Jersey.
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Power Forward Jordan Pierce committed to Dayton. 3 Star on Rivals.

https://dayton.rivals.com/news/perfe...her-commitment

Scout saying he is 6'11''

http://www.scout.com/college/basketb...mits-to-dayton

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According to his coach, "Extremely hard worker. Great size. Terrific hands for a big man," Reagen said. "Upside is huge. Dramatically better every year. Great family."

He plays the post, and likes to play there. No real outside shot. Was getting Ivy League interest, so he is a student.
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Question He's also shown at 6'10" in the pic

NCSA recruiting has Jordan listed at 7'.

Let's not forget when they commit to Dayton they lose stars, ranking and height!
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I dont want my Big man to have a jumper. I want him down low working on post moves,rebounding and blocking shots. Grinder baby.
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McKinley Wright posted this afternoon "&then there were 2"
If that has to do with his decision, I would think we are one of them, or he would have
cancelled his visit. Unless, of course, the post had nothing to do with his list.

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McKinley Wright posted this afternoon "&then there were 2"
If that has to do with his decision, I would think we are one of them, or he would have
cancelled his visit. Unless, of course, the post had nothing to do with his list.

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If it is down to Minny and UD, then I like UD's chances. Richard Pitino is struggling a bit...real cold weather up there too I'm sure...I personally dislike winter.

But, on the other hand, I just realized that he is from just outside of Minneapolis, in Champlin, so there is the hometown connection to contend with.

Nothing against Richard Pitino, but I don't know if they should have fIred Tubby Smith to begin with, he was doing pretty well.

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Aside from recent success, another factor for picking UD over Minnesota would be where basketball falls on the sports totem pole. UD is a basketball-first school. Tons of hoops junkies. At Minnesota, football and hockey are much more important to the majority of fans.
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Interesting Q&A with Wright. Says he wants to go to winning program. That's would seem to give us a big leg up on MN.
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McKinley Wright tweeted out "down to 2" and he is set to visit us this weekend. He visited Minnesota this past weekend and called it a "10/10". He announced he will be making his decision 9/15 at 5PM, which is before his scheduled visits to X and Memphis--so safe assumption it's between us and Minn at this point.

With 3 schollys left, we need a PG. I think the staffs #1 PG target is Wright. I'd say we have an advantage being the last visit, but never good when he calls another school a 10/10. But UD and Minn are really polar opposites, so it's whatever the kid likes more. Minn is bigger, closer to home, public, has D1 football, plays in B10, inferior basketball. UD gets him out of state, smaller, catholic, hoops is the big show in town and our bball program has had success in recent years. Interesting to see what he wants.

If we land MW, I want the 2 four stars to round out this class -- Polley and Morsell. Boy would that be a dynamite class!

Polley coming I think 9/26 which is his last visit. Morsel coming 10/21, which I believe is his last scheduled visit AND red/blue scrimmage weekend. Boom
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McKinley Wright tweeted out "down to 2" and he is set to visit us this weekend. He visited Minnesota this past weekend and called it a "10/10". He announced he will be making his decision 9/15 at 5PM, which is before his scheduled visits to X and Memphis--so safe assumption it's between us and Minn at this point.

With 3 schollys left, we need a PG. I think the staffs #1 PG target is Wright. I'd say we have an advantage being the last visit, but never good when he calls another school a 10/10. But UD and Minn are really polar opposites, so it's whatever the kid likes more. Minn is bigger, closer to home, public, has D1 football, plays in B10, inferior basketball. UD gets him out of state, smaller, catholic, hoops is the big show in town and our bball program has had success in recent years. Interesting to see what he wants.

If we land MW, I want the 2 four stars to round out this class -- Polley and Morsell. Boy would that be a dynamite class!

Polley coming I think 9/26 which is his last visit. Morsel coming 10/21, which I believe is his last scheduled visit AND red/blue scrimmage weekend. Boom
Polley hasn't set up a UD visit yet just a heads up
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Other than the potential hometown pull, not sure why a kid would want to go to Minnesota at this point. How thin is the ice up there that Pitino is walking on? I wouldn't worry too much about the 10/10 comment, you see that all the time from recruits at numerous schools. If you can't sell your school, coaching and atmosphere to a recruit on an official visit at a 10/10 level at a Big 10 school, then you probably need to get out of the game. I'm sure his visit to UD will be a 10/10 then he'll make up his mind. My guess is he already knows where he wants to go, the visits are just to confirm his decision.
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not a 2017 recruit:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...eported/nsQBk/

but a kid UD was involved with in the past, a kid that seemed to loss steam on the recruiting front as his time at T-M passed. Perhaps now we know why.
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Don't forget this is Wright second visit to Dayton as he took a unofficial visit in the summer!
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We also have a visit 10/1 by Keith Williams that was offered over the weekend by Auburn and NC State !
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not a 2017 recruit:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...eported/nsQBk/

but a kid UD was involved with in the past, a kid that seemed to loss steam on the recruiting front as his time at T-M passed. Perhaps now we know why.
This is really sad. Here is a kid who had a bright future ahead of him. By all accounts he was a good student and seemed to have his head on straight.

The streets are a treacherous place. I hate to see him become another statistic. I'm tired of too many statistics. Way too many of our youth are wasting away. The lure of either "easy money" or drugs is taking away too many from this generation.
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The Keith Williams highlight tape left me feeling like he could be the best talent of those recently comitting and of those yet to make official visits. I do realize that the tape doesn't tell you anything about his team demeanor or personal character. But I would say Archie and staff feel good about that or they wouldn't have offered him and invited him to an official visit. This young man Keith Williams shows mad ballin' skills.
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I dont want my Big man to have a jumper. I want him down low working on post moves,rebounding and blocking shots. Grinder baby.
I'd much rather have a big that can work down low, rebound (although leading rebounders are almost always 4s, block shots AND hit a 15 foot jumper. Offense is much more fluid if a big can step away from the basket, especially with high ball screens so common.
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I'd much rather have a big that can work down low, rebound (although leading rebounders are almost always 4s, block shots AND hit a 15 foot jumper. Offense is much more fluid if a big can step away from the basket, especially with high ball screens so common.
Both scoring down low and stepping out for a jumper is very hard for many big men.

The coaching staff was trying to develop both with Steve. They working on his inside moves and a 3 point shot. Privately, Archie told an audience that Steve would shoot 3s in a game before his career was over. Sad that prediction was unable to be made.
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I think Sam Miller may give us an inside and outside game by his junior year.
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Gavrilovic was thought to have those latent skills. He had flashes of both, a career of neither.

Opposing coaches love to see our big men shooting from the key.
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When's the last time UD had one of those? Ashman?
Probably Waleskowski was the best combination since Ashman.

And they are rare especially if not one and done.
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And he seemed more like a PF.
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Other than the potential hometown pull, not sure why a kid would want to go to Minnesota at this point. How thin is the ice up there that Pitino is walking on? I wouldn't worry too much about the 10/10 comment, you see that all the time from recruits at numerous schools. If you can't sell your school, coaching and atmosphere to a recruit on an official visit at a 10/10 level at a Big 10 school, then you probably need to get out of the game. I'm sure his visit to UD will be a 10/10 then he'll make up his mind. My guess is he already knows where he wants to go, the visits are just to confirm his decision.
Take it from a native. Gopher basketball is a dumpster fire Enzo. The ONLY sales point the Gropers have is The Barn and the sell that Wright can become the brand savior. The junior Pitino has the program going in the wrong direction. If this Wright kid really believes the U is a 10/10 then he is delusional, another peanut butter sniffing Sammy Smith and we don't want him. UFFDA. I wouldn't put it past Pitino to buy this recruit given Spitino will be fired if this year is another dumpster fire Enzo. This isn't his fathers program.

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What is the kid supposed to say, that Minnesota's just not for him or that he wasn't impressed with the coaches, the kids, the facilities or the school? He just had an official visit there, what's he going to say? If he truly thought the Gophers were a "10/10", he would have committed then and there...think about it. We still have a good shot at the kid and I like the fact he showed some maturity and tact and didn't dis the school in his own backyard.
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I certainly hope he doesn't read that post. You will not win a recruit by
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Take it from a native. Gopher basketball is a dumpster fire Enzo. The ONLY sales point the Gropers have is The Barn and the sell that Wright can become the brand savior. The junior Pitino has the program going in the wrong direction. If this Wright kid really believes the U is a 10/10 then he is delusional, another peanut butter sniffing Sammy Smith and we don't want him. UFFDA. I wouldn't put it past Pitino to buy this recruit given Spitino will be fired if this year is another dumpster fire Enzo. This isn't his fathers program.
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Aside from the part about just slamming Wright for absolutely no reason, he's not wrong. Minnesota basketball is terrible.
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And he seemed more like a PF.
He was. But I think most college teams play better without pure centers.
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A couple teammate and of friends McKinley Wright.

AAU teammate for D1MN, Jericho Sims also was considering MN and Wright and Sims could play together. But Sims is headed to TX. Wright said wasn't mad at Sims after talking to him about his decision. Said it was a good situation for Sims and he was excited for him.

Wrights high school teammate Theo John also has an offer from MN which could potentially keep the teammates playing together. John is visiting Marquette. I'm not sure if he has a visit to MN scheduled. Local MN media are reporting Pitino's best chance is to get wright first and then try to talk John into coming to.

AAU teammate for D1MN, Matthew Hurt is one of the top sophomore players in the country, ranked #6 by ESPN and just invited to play for team USA. Just got an offer from Sean Miller at AZ. Hoping Wright and Hurt keep it in the family.
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I'm not impressed by 10/10.
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With the age of social media and all the nasty tweets and messages these kids receive on a daily basis, I do not think a post like that will hurt our chances at all.
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Opposing coaches love to see our big men shooting from the key.
When they suck at it, yes. When you have a touch like Ashman, no. With our athletic wings crashing in from the sides while the opposing team's big is 15 feet away, I like our chances to score on that play.

I think any reasonably skilled big who catches the ball in the rhythm of the offense and shoots a minimally contested 12-15 footer with his feet square to the basket should be encouraged to shoot. It doesn't bother me when Pollard shoots from 12-15 and his shot is painful to look at. It's a fricken' free throw! We have bigs who shoot those at 55% so I'll take that offensive efficiency any day.

If Sam Miller passes up any uncontested 15 footer for the rest of his career they should make him run suicides during the next timeout.
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Aside from the part about just slamming Wright for absolutely no reason,
That's the part I was referring to.
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With the age of social media and all the nasty tweets and messages these kids receive on a daily basis, I do not think a post like that will hurt our chances at all.
I could not possibly agree more. Recruits may check out this site but I can't imagine that a recruit picks out an individual post by some random knucklehead, including mine, and determines "yes that is the perfect school for me" or "I really really wanted to go there but that hurt my feelings too much."

Give the kids some credit.
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The part that stood out to me was when the paper put down the Flyers.
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The part that stood out to me was when the paper put down the Flyers.
Where did they put down the Flyers?

I thought the article was well written, by the local Minnesota paper writing about the local kid and the local school.

Can't wait to read the follow up article where they write about why Wright made the Wright choice and becomes a Flyer.
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Where did they put down the Flyers?

I thought the article was well written, by the local Minnesota paper writing about the local kid and the local school.

Can't wait to read the follow up article where they write about why Wright made the Wright choice and becomes a Flyer.
I have to agree with ClaytonFlyerFan on this. I do not think you can ask for better treatment from a Minnesota paper about a school competing for their local talent.

I do have a feeling we are going to win this one though. Archie's gang is on a roll
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"But why are the Flyers one of his finalists?"

That, to me, reads like a total put down. Kind of like they are saying, Dayton should not be mentioned in the same article as Minnesota, Memphis, and Xavier. Mr. Wright gives a well thought out answer.
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"But why are the Flyers one of his finalists?"

That, to me, reads like a total put down. Kind of like they are saying, Dayton should not be mentioned in the same article as Minnesota, Memphis, and Xavier. Mr. Wright gives a well thought out answer.
I don't see the question as being a put down to UD at all.

He has already ruled out X and Memphis, so the only other school to compare Minnesota to was UD.

Remember, his HS is 20 miles from UMinn and 725 miles from UD. If a kid from Troy was down to UD and Minnesota, I think it would be reasonable to the DDN article to attempt to explain why Minnesota was one of the two finalists.
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I don't see the question as being a put down to UD at all.

He has already ruled out X and Memphis, so the only other school to compare Minnesota to was UD.

Remember, his HS is 20 miles from UMinn and 725 miles from UD. If a kid from Troy was down to UD and Minnesota, I think it would be reasonable to the DDN article to attempt to explain why Minnesota was one of the two finalists.
Eh-- not sure I agree with that one. I think it's quite obvious if someone is down to a hometown team and one that's out of state. On one hand, you have your state school that's an option if he wants to stay home. On the other, he has a school that's out of state so he can do something different and get away from home/MN. I think this was absolutely a put down and is only seeing the surface. "Hometown BIG10 team or 'lowly' A10 team." The only thing MN knows about us is that we beat them a few years back.
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Eh-- not sure I agree with that one. I think it's quite obvious if someone is down to a hometown team and one that's out of state. On one hand, you have your state school that's an option if he wants to stay home. On the other, he has a school that's out of state so he can do something different and get away from home/MN. I think this was absolutely a put down and is only seeing the surface. "Hometown BIG10 team or 'lowly' A10 team." The only thing MN knows about us is that we beat them a few years back.
So many of us just can't get over this lowly UD syndrome. If that make you feel better go for it. Nowhere did I see them mention them being a powerhouse BIG10 Team. They could have mentioned we did not get national press until 3 years ago if the were attempting to put us down. They mentioned we were a preseason favorite in a quality conference. They know what we have done against the BIG10 recently.
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So many of us just can't get over this lowly UD syndrome. If that make you feel better go for it. Nowhere did I see them mention them being a powerhouse BIG10 Team. They could have mentioned we did not get national press until 3 years ago if the were attempting to put us down. They mentioned we were a preseason favorite in a quality conference. They know what we have done against the BIG10 recently.

I agree. There are some of you out there that even after the last few years still seem to harbor doubt or fears that we are not worthy.

I read the article twice and do not see this put down ... but if you all' feel slighted and can't be convinced otherwise because you can SEE the slight no one else here can correct that issue .. so the rest of us will move on.

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Whatever happened to Dayton interest in Sterling Manley, the Pickerington Ohio product? I see that he took an official visit to West Virginia? I also see Xavier, Pitt and TCU interest. He is listed between 6'9" and 6'11" on different sites. He looks very thin in the pictures.

I know nothing about the kid other than what i have read. In the past, Dayton has been hot on the trail of a recruit only to have Huggy Bear come in and snatch them away. I was just wondering if we could do the same maneuver on him someday. I remember that we almost lost Kavanaugh to Huggy Bear and eventually, Statin went to him.
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Whatever happened to Dayton interest in Sterling Manley, the Pickerington Ohio product? I see that he took an official visit to West Virginia? I also see Xavier, Pitt and TCU interest. He is listed between 6'9" and 6'11" on different sites. He looks very thin in the pictures.

I know nothing about the kid other than what i have read. In the past, Dayton has been hot on the trail of a recruit only to have Huggy Bear come in and snatch them away. I was just wondering if we could do the same maneuver on him someday. I remember that we almost lost Kavanaugh to Huggy Bear and eventually, Statin went to him.
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FWIW, verbalcommits says that UD offered...Scout lists UD as a school of interest...Rivals and 247 list no offer from UD.

WVU seems to be the frontrunner with "warm" interest...3 out of 4 experts say that he will pick WVU:

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Seems to have quite an ego. Making a announcement about his future announcement. You would think he's a 5 star rather than a 2.5 to 3 star, smallish PG.
Seriously?

An 18 year old kid is excited to make a decision that will impact the rest of his life, especially the next 4 years and the game he loves, and you want to talk about his ego?
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If this Wright kid really believes the U is a 10/10 then he is delusional, another peanut butter sniffing Sammy Smith and we don't want him.
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Seems to have quite an ego. Making a announcement about his future announcement. You would think he's a 5 star rather than a 2.5 to 3 star, smallish PG.
Any other recruits we want to trash???
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Whatever happened to Dayton interest in Sterling Manley, the Pickerington Ohio product? I see that he took an official visit to West Virginia? I also see Xavier, Pitt and TCU interest. He is listed between 6'9" and 6'11" on different sites. He looks very thin in the pictures.

I know nothing about the kid other than what i have read. In the past, Dayton has been hot on the trail of a recruit only to have Huggy Bear come in and snatch them away. I was just wondering if we could do the same maneuver on him someday. I remember that we almost lost Kavanaugh to Huggy Bear and eventually, Statin went to him.
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I saw Sterling play at Flyin to the Hoop last year. Big tall player who is raw with lots of potential. I sat near his supportive family. Good people.

I thought I read that he was hurt at the end of the year. With UD landing one big man, I wonder if he is looking elsewhere.
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[QUOTE=SeasonTicketFan;464069]I saw Sterling play at Flyin to the Hoop last year. Big tall player who is raw with lots of potential. I sat near his supportive family. Good people.

I thought I read that he was hurt at the end of the year. With UD landing one big man, I wonder if he is looking elsewhere.

Hope still springs eternal that Archie and his coaching staff go for a positional recruit. I am voting for a second center on this team. Archie took a risk. Instead of taking a second center, he took Trey Landers. I understand the catch-22 dilemma. Do we take the best available player or do we fill out the class and/or the depth at the positions. With no succession plan at center, we are now facing another year with no center on this team. I suspect that we will be playing two forwards and three guards most of the time. I suspect that 6'7" Cunningham will be our tallest player on the floor, most of the minutes. We'll sub in Sam Miller, Xeryius Williams and Kostas intermittently. But, essentially, we will be small ball this year. If we do not take a second center for next year then we will be one flu-like sniffle or one turned ankle away from small ball next year. I would rather go for a transfer for this year, a transfer for next year or a recruit fir next year who can play center.

Given the above, we better be real good at boxing out for rebounds and really good at running the floor for break-away baskets.
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We can compete and win in the A10 without a traditional center. It's not the end of the world. I doubt we would be chasing two young projects. We would have had a great center and a young project if all went as we mortals planned. Alas, it wasn't meant to be.
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