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Old 12-31-2016, 10:43 AM
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What's the story on Cooke?

So the DDN says Charles might " miss some time," but nothing official. Anyone hear anything else? He looked to be in some serious pain when he left the floor. Seemed more hip/back than wrist.
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Old 12-31-2016, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
So the DDN says Charles might " miss some time," but nothing official. Anyone hear anything else? He looked to be in some serious pain when he left the floor. Seemed more hip/back than wrist.
As with all Dayton player injuries Cooke will be "day to day", "we hope he can play", or "it will be a game time decision" until you actually see him on the court again.

In my opinion getting a diagnosis for Cooke by the postgame press conference would have been really quick so Archie just gave the vague he might miss some time quote which was really the best thing to say. They probably will know more today when they see how sore Charles is from that hard fall, but there is no way Archie is telling anybody. Just have to be patient and find out about an hour before the Bonaventure game.
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Old 12-31-2016, 11:38 AM
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Down on DD? Think about a line-up without him and CC.
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Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.
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Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 View Post
Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.
Read the game thread when you get time Piqua, this was discussed and explained in there.
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He was also holding his wrist before he clanked those 2 free throws. I'm as worried about the wrist as I am about the latest injury.
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He was also holding his wrist before he clanked those 2 free throws. I'm as worried about the wrist as I am about the latest injury.
Agree. I noticed very early in the game when Charles tried to shoot a 3, he instantly grabbed his wrist after the shot and was holding it for most of the next possession or two. I do not remember seeing him take another jump shot the rest of the game, but he must have had one more according to the box score and missing two 3 pointers.
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Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 View Post
Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.

The refs wouldn't let the trainer come out. They had their hands held up to not come out, which was ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 View Post
Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.
Ref thought he was going to get up from hard contact...he didn't and trainers responded. Don't want to sub out one of your better FT shooters unless you don't have to.
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Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 View Post
Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.
This is what I said in another post...

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If a player goes down and the coach steps one foot on the court to check on him, the player has to come out of the game whether he's injured or not. By holding back the UD 'bench/coach' the ref is saying the player may not need help and, therefore, can stay in the game.
I reffed a game today and this very situation occurred in a close game. Kid goes down and appears to be hurt (but wasn't...just stunned). Coach runs out and sees he's OK and walks back to the bench. I tell the coach the player has to come out...coach looks at me like I'm nuts, turns and looks at the other coach who is 3' on the court and says 'then he needs to sub someone too!' so I need to explain to him that the other coach is coaching, not checking on a potentially injured player. He honestly had no idea that coming onto the court forces me to make him sub. UGH! I hate stupid.
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and another thing...

3 seconds...

Had some idiot dad in the front row today giving me the business about calling 3 seconds on the other team. Scenario: Opponent shoots and misses....gets offensive rebound, pump fakes, shoots and misses...gets another offensive rebound, shoots and misses...repeat, repeat...ball knocked out of bounds on sideline right in front of loudmouth dad who continues to yell at me about calling 3 seconds and how one player was in the lane for 15 seconds. UGH!

Quietly, but loud enough for everyone around him to hear, I look him in the eye and say '3 seconds stops when the shot begins and a player can spend 20 seconds in the lane if they keep getting rebounds. Read the rulebook and you'd know this.' He broke eye contact with me, turned his head the other direction and started talking to him mom (or his really ugly wife, I'm not sure). Never heard another word from him the rest of the game.

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3 seconds...

Had some idiot dad in the front row today giving me the business about calling 3 seconds on the other team. Scenario: Opponent shoots and misses....gets offensive rebound, pump fakes, shoots and misses...gets another offensive rebound, shoots and misses...repeat, repeat...ball knocked out of bounds on sideline right in front of loudmouth dad who continues to yell at me about calling 3 seconds and how one player was in the lane for 15 seconds. UGH!

Quietly, but loud enough for everyone around him to hear, I look him in the eye and say '3 seconds stops when the shot begins and a player can spend 20 seconds in the lane if they keep getting rebounds. Read the rulebook and you'd know this.' He broke eye contact with me, turned his head the other direction and started talking to him mom (or his really ugly wife, I'm not sure). Never heard another word from him the rest of the game.

I really hate stupid.
Amen, not a lot more irritating than fans with the 3 second yell when there are shots and rebounds taking place.
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On the subject of Cookes injury, as Cooke was laying on the floor in pain, who was the jackwagon that yelled this is on you at the referee? Even worse, fans applauded. This ain't the Cintas Center people, show some class.

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Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 View Post
Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.
I commented on that during the game thread, Piqua Flyer. I thought it was a major remission of responsibility on the part of the training staff. I hope I never see that kind of incompetence again on the part of any Flyer associate.
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I commented on that during the game thread, Piqua Flyer. I thought it was a major remission of responsibility on the part of the training staff. I hope I never see that kind of incompetence again on the part of any Flyer associate.
Please- They were being detained by the refs. See previous posts. Can't just run on the floor. Must be signaled by the refs.
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Please- They were being detained by the refs. See previous posts. Can't just run on the floor. Must be signaled by the refs.
OK, thanks for the clarification. Then, what in the world were the refs thinking?
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They were not thinking the whole game. Why would they start then?
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Please- They were being detained by the refs. See previous posts. Can't just run on the floor. Must be signaled by the refs.
Coach can run on the floor, but if he does the down player has to come out of the game. At least that's how I see Sir Rollo's explanation
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Coach can run on the floor, but if he does the down player has to come out of the game. At least that's how I see Sir Rollo's explanation
From official NCAA rule book - page 97.
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Can someone tell me why Pollard shot his FTs? Was that our choice? I know he made them both, but seems like an odd choice.
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Can someone tell me why Pollard shot his FTs? Was that our choice? I know he made them both, but seems like an odd choice.
same rule book - page 42

When an injured player is unable to attempt his free throw try(s), the coach from the opposing team shall select one of the four remaining
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Great decision by Archie. He was sending Pollard a message, that you are a good free throw shooter. Great coaching move.
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Great decision by Archie. He was sending Pollard a message, that you are a good free throw shooter. Great coaching move.
I wish that were the case; but I think the opposing coach actually made the decision to send KP to the line. Re-read that rule again. No flagrant foul was called by the refs; therefore the opposing coach got to make the decision who to send to the line. Had a flagrant foul been called, AM could have sent any of the 4 he had on the floor to the line; likely Scooch.
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Please- They were being detained by the refs. See previous posts. Can't just run on the floor. Must be signaled by the refs.
I didn't know the rule either, so naturally I was wondering like everyone else who watched CC lying in excruciating pain, where are the trainers? Now I understand...not only were the refs blind, but deaf also...
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same rule book - page 42

When an injured player is unable to attempt his free throw try(s), the coach from the opposing team shall select one of the four remaining
players on the playing court to attempt the free throw try(s)� When
the foul is flagrant and the injured player is unable to attempt the free
throw try(s), the injured player’s coach shall select any player or team
member to attempt the free throw try(s)�
Well that explains it. And I'm guessing that Pollard has a very high FT percentage shooting someone else's FTs.
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I didn't know the rule either, so naturally I was wondering like everyone else who watched CC lying in excruciating pain, where are the trainers? Now I understand...not only were the refs blind, but deaf also...
No, they were not. See previous explanations. Once they call the coaches and trainers out, the player must leave the game. Cooke fell hard, and clearly on his hip, back or arse. It wasn't a medical emergency situation. So they rightfully give Cooke every opportunity to get past the initial shock from the impact and determine if he needs medical attention and can continue.

If the reverse had happened and they call trainers out immediately and Cooke was fine afte 30 seconds, the Pollard misses two LaSalle scores and UD turns it over before Archie could get Cooke back in, Archie would be rightfully livid.

We fans are blind by not knowing the rules. Not the refs (now if we want to discuss the inconsistency in how the first half and second half were officiated, I would agree).
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I was three rows under the basket on that end and I also thought it was strange but I watched Archie and he was looking right at one of the refs and was asking for permission to enter the court. Even the trainer waited a beat or two before running out after displaying similar body language. As soon as they each were granted permission they went to Charles.
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If my 19.2/game player goes down as hard as CC did I'm on the floor.
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Worry about taking him out later.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug View Post
No, they were not. See previous explanations. Once they call the coaches and trainers out, the player must leave the game. Cooke fell hard, and clearly on his hip, back or arse. It wasn't a medical emergency situation. So they rightfully give Cooke every opportunity to get past the initial shock from the impact and determine if he needs medical attention and can continue.

If the reverse had happened and they call trainers out immediately and Cooke was fine afte 30 seconds, the Pollard misses two LaSalle scores and UD turns it over before Archie could get Cooke back in, Archie would be rightfully livid.

We fans are blind by not knowing the rules. Not the refs (now if we want to discuss the inconsistency in how the first half and second half were officiated, I would agree).
Those refs were awful.(.) My comment was tongue in cheek. But really, at what point (read "how long") must a player scream in agony before a referee feels it's serious? What a ridiculous rule...
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Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
I didn't know the rule either, so naturally I was wondering like everyone else who watched CC lying in excruciating pain, where are the trainers? Now I understand...not only were the refs blind, but deaf also...
Speaking of deaf refs (and notwithstanding any of the explanations for why the sequence of events was as it was on Friday), during a particularly quiet moment following Charles's fall, someone in the stands at the south end of the court (by the Flyers' tunnel) yelled something like "Ref, this is all your fault!", and a number of fans at that end gave a brief round of applause to that comment. First time in my nearly 50 years of following UD basketball that I can remember hearing a reaction like that. 13,000 people booing/heckling, yes. One solitary comment followed by a smattering of crowd approval, no. Almost surreal.
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For Cunningham it was close to instantly that entry to the court was permitted. Same for the Louisville guy that broke his leg a few years back. Same for players that come down an hit their head or neck on the court.

Refs are going to give the player time when they land like Cooke. And they should.

Cooke was clearly hurting and in pain. But he also did not have a serious injury and was not motionless. I thought the refs did the right thing. That is not to say they officiated the game well.

Entering the court can also result in a technical.
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How was it the ref's fault? Understand the reaction, and agree it was odd, but it doesn't make sense. If there was fault it's more the UD players for shooting free throws and threes so poorly that the score was closer than it should have been, necessitating a hard drive to the basket.

The only thing the refs could have done was instantly wave out coaches and trainers. Which would have changed - nothing.
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...someone in the stands at the south end of the court (by the Flyers' tunnel) yelled something like "Ref, this is all your fault!", and a number of fans at that end gave a brief round of applause to that comment.
Based on my experiences as a ref and a south end season ticket holder, I bet it was a group of CYO parents who know less about basketball than any other demographic.
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Anybody heard anything on Darrell or Charles status?
Not sure if this helps...but when having breakfast out this morning the entire team was there, I'm assuming unofficial pre-flight meal. No coaches, just the players who were in 3-4 vehicles. All were there and appeared upright and healthy, with the exception of Josh of course, who still had a slight limp. It was interesting that the last 3 to leave were CC, JC, and DD.
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No Vegas line yet on the game. CC a ?
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Dayton's Charles Cooke (back) will travel to St. Bonaventure and is a game-time decision for Tuesday's game, per a school spokesman.
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As with all Dayton player injuries Cooke will be "day to day", "we hope he can play", or "it will be a game time decision" until you actually see him on the court again.
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So "game time decision" it is!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Based on my experiences as a ref and a south end season ticket holder, I bet it was a group of CYO parents who know less about basketball than any other demographic.
I heard the comments and took it as a joke as most of the people clapping were laughing as well. I thought it was funny as it was clearly not the refs fault, just unlucky.
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I heard the comments and took it as a joke as most of the people clapping were laughing as well. I thought it was funny as it was clearly not the refs fault, just unlucky.
I commented on it earlier in this thread as I too heard it loud and clear. I can joke and clown around with the best of them, and often have made jokes that others did not think was as funny as I thought they were. However, given the timing of this so called joke and the way it sounded, I think whoever said it was being a real @$$ and I think it was way out of line, joke or not.
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According to BR, Charles Cooke & Darrell Davis are both game time decisions at St Bonaventure

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IMHO CC will play.
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The Bengals took AJ all the way to Texas and then decided not to play him, so he got permission to go back home. Of course, that's the Bengals.
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My paper had the game as --OFF this morning.

If CC can't play or is not himself we will get killed. He's perhaps our best defender, and leading rebounder and scorer. Can't see us overcoming that.
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My paper had the game as --OFF this morning.

If CC can't play or is not himself we will get killed. He's perhaps our best defender, and leading rebounder and scorer. Can't see us overcoming that.
I don't know if players read this board or not, but if they do I hope they print stuff like this off and stare at it on the flight and in the locker room before tip.
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I don't know if players read this board or not, but if they do I hope they print stuff like this off and stare at it on the flight and in the locker room before tip.
I'm sure they LMAO first...there isn't a kid in Archie's program who doesn't think they can win each and every game, regardless of who is in uniform. That was validated 2 seasons ago.
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IMHO CC will play.
Why would you fly/bus
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Injured players often travel with their team. I don't have any inside info, but I would not expect him to play just because he traveled.
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They do...and I know of at least one that has printed off quotes from certain posters as motivation...
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If Archie coaches us to a win tonight, its one of his best bench jobs to date. We are missing too many horses.
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If Archie coaches us to a win tonight, its one of his best bench jobs to date. We are missing too many horses.
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Hard to say who can play from game to game with this team. Fans show up at UD Arena and find a player on the bench unable to play. It is difficult to remain competitive with this much injury. There is little communication coming from the program to prepare the Faithful for the absences.
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There is little communication coming from the program to prepare the Faithful for the absences.
Good strategy....more players a possible "go" for the game...the more possible players the opponent has to prepare for.
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Old 01-03-2017, 07:42 PM
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Good strategy....more players a possible "go" for the game...the more possible players the opponent has to prepare for.
Agreed. Not too hard for the fans to figure out who to cheer for.
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My paper had the game as --OFF this morning.

If CC can't play or is not himself we will get killed. He's perhaps our best defender, and leading rebounder and scorer. Can't see us overcoming that.


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I am very confident both players will be active tonight.



Deleted that post FF4life. I hope you are still using you are still in your free trial period.
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Deleted because Matt schwade complained about it. He reported earlier that both will play. No more sharing info from there. I understand where he is coming from.
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you know, I have never understood this need for being the first one to report "something"..... Just what is the big deal about it? It looks pretty childish to me.
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I dont have the same username. And its not about being the first to report it. That is a pay site, this is not...He doesnt want to diminish the value of his site.
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I dont have the same username. And its not about being the first to report it. That is a pay site, this is not...He doesnt want to diminish the value of his site.
Schwade getting his "scoop" about them playing tonight wrong diminishes the value of his site all by itself.
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Schwade getting his "scoop" about them playing tonight wrong diminishes the value of his site all by itself.
Fair enough. Move on please.
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As mentioned above Cooke is a great player, but the bench shines when he's not on the floor. We share the ball so much better. I wrote it off on the St. Joes (Indiana) game to inferior competition, but 90 on the Bonnies in Olean? I love having Cooke on our team and think he has a shot at A10 POY, but maybe he watches this game film and learns from watching when to make an extra pass.

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Doesn't sound like Archie plans on having Cooke for URI.

From today's DDN:

“I don’t think he’s close to playing,” Miller said. “He’s not 100 percent, and if he’s not 100 percent, we’re not forcing the action. We’ll go into the next game prepared to play without him. He’s got a couple things going on with his tailbone after the fall he took, and his wrist continues to bother him.”
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Fair enough. Move on please.
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Doesn't sound like Archie plans on having Cooke for URI.

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“I don’t think he’s close to playing,” Miller said. “He’s not 100 percent, and if he’s not 100 percent, we’re not forcing the action. We’ll go into the next game prepared to play without him. He’s got a couple things going on with his tailbone after the fall he took, and his wrist continues to bother him.”
I don't take much away form this comment. If Cooke's back/wrist was that bad, why was he a game time decision last night? If his back was that bad, he shouldn't have gotten on the airplane. That said, he may still not play. Archie is just being Archie.
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AS DD (I think it was) said after the game, Archie drills into them the "next man up" mentality. They've been through much worse lack of players and thrived, even though it was terrifying every game 2 yrs ago. I was so proud of them for stepping up and making it seem like they can cope with any scenario. Hope they can keep it up. I don't think CC s coming back anytime soon. The SBU game has got to give them confidence and trust that they can keep up the scoring on their own till CC comes back and afterward.
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As mentioned above Cooke is a great player, but the bench shines when he's not on the floor. We share the ball so much better. I wrote it off on the St. Joes (Indiana) game to inferior competition, but 90 on the Bonnies in Olean? I love having Cooke on our team and think he has a shot at A10 POY, but maybe he watches this game film and learns from watching when to make an extra pass.
But Cooke and Scoochie are about the only ones who can create a shot. And Scoochie's ability to do so is lessened if the defense plays off a little as he can either take a three or get all the way to the rim.

Ball movement is different without Cooke because it has to be. Archie wants Cooke to look to score when he has the ball. The ball won't move as quickly if Cooke looks to see if he can get it the rim.

And against teams that actually play defense (unlike the Bonnies, Explorers and VMI) the ability to create when ball reversal gets shut off matters.
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I don't take much away form this comment. If Cooke's back/wrist was that bad, why was he a game time decision last night? If his back was that bad, he shouldn't have gotten on the airplane. That said, he may still not play. Archie is just being Archie.
Smart business just to keep the opponent guessing and affecting their preparation.
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I'm going to save everyone a lot of worrying and guessing about whether Cooke will play against Rhody by reminding you of the 2nd post in this thread.

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As with all Dayton player injuries Cooke will be "day to day", "we hope he can play", or "it will be a game time decision" until you actually see him on the court again.

Just have to be patient and find out about an hour before the Bonaventure game.
Just wait until Friday night and you will find out because Archie isn't going to tell anybody anything definitively until then.
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In light of the discussion about the trainer leaving the bench to attend to an obviously injured player, Cleon Roberts took a hard tumble under the basket in front of the La Salle bench in the last game versus SLU. Cleon was down for about 5 seconds it seemed before the trainer went to attend to him. I did not see the ref wave her over. Not saying he didn't say something to her but I don't think he did.
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But Cooke and Scoochie are about the only ones who can create a shot. And Scoochie's ability to do so is lessened if the defense plays off a little as he can either take a three or get all the way to the rim.
Not really his role typically - except in transition - but Pollard can manufacture. With the shot clock winding down, he can get it to the rim off the bounce. And he's probably getting the and 1. Or committing an offensive foul. One or the other.

It's going to be important for Crosby, Mikesell and Xeyrius to develop this obviously as our shot manufacturers are seniors. As noted above, Crosby can make the circus shot. He's got some Kevin Dillard him in. Xeyrius seems like a guy who just wants to shoot over people - rather than go downhill. Would like to see him drive it a bit more. Mikesell seems to be the furthest along though in this regard. He's our 4th best downhill option right now. I think he's capable now, and his confidence seems to be growing... adding strength to ake sure he can finish will be key.
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Not really his role typically - except in transition - but Pollard can manufacture. With the shot clock winding down, he can get it to the rim off the bounce. And he's probably getting the and 1. Or committing an offensive foul. One or the other.

It's going to be important for Crosby, Mikesell and Xeyrius to develop this obviously as our shot manufacturers are seniors. As noted above, Crosby can make the circus shot. He's got some Kevin Dillard him in. Xeyrius seems like a guy who just wants to shoot over people - rather than go downhill. Would like to see him drive it a bit more. Mikesell seems to be the furthest along though in this regard. He's our 4th best downhill option right now. I think he's capable now, and his confidence seems to be growing... adding strength to ake sure he can finish will be key.
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John Crosby can get to the rim almost anytime he puts his mind to it, but it gets real exciting when he gets there. We have had a bunch of players go through a period where finishing the drive was elusive. They can and do get better.

Josh Parker was a shipwreck trying to finish. Scoochie as a Frosh was lacking in that skill. Whereas shooting is tough to improve, finishing is not as difficult with coaching and patience.
Kyle has more ways to finish than I have seen. He is strong with the left, but also more than adequate with the right. He uses the rim and his body positioning as his shield. That plus his surprising hops.

Cooke has great athleticism, but he challenges gravity too much. He will take a beating if he makes it to the NBA. What good are you if one out of five drives you are leaving the gym on crutches?
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Cooke needs to remember he's surrounded by other players. The ability to create is a great asset. Knowing when to take it and when to share and avoid a forced shot is an even bigger one!

I liked our rythm againt StB. We can play with anyone when we move like that. We're a crap 1-on-1 team. Cooke likes to play 1-on-1. Sometimes he likes to play 1-on-5!
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John Crosby can get to the rim almost anytime he puts his mind to it, but it gets real exciting when he gets there. We have had a bunch of players go through a period where finishing the drive was elusive. They can and do get better.

Josh Parker was a shipwreck trying to finish. Scoochie as a Frosh was lacking in that skill. Whereas shooting is tough to improve, finishing is not as difficult with coaching and patience.
Kyle has more ways to finish than I have seen. He is strong with the left, but also more than adequate with the right. He uses the rim and his body positioning as his shield. That plus his surprising hops.

Cooke has great athleticism, but he challenges gravity too much. He will take a beating if he makes it to the NBA. What good are you if one out of five drives you are leaving the gym on crutches?
I have to disagree with you here. If you watch the NBA, there is a lot less undercutting and challenging guys once they get to the rim at the NBA level than the college level. He will still take his lumps, but they are much more willing to let a guy finish to avoid injury in the NBA.
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John Crosby can get to the rim almost anytime he puts his mind to it, but it gets real exciting when he gets there. We have had a bunch of players go through a period where finishing the drive was elusive. They can and do get better.

Josh Parker was a shipwreck trying to finish. Scoochie as a Frosh was lacking in that skill. Whereas shooting is tough to improve, finishing is not as difficult with coaching and patience.
Kyle has more ways to finish than I have seen. He is strong with the left, but also more than adequate with the right. He uses the rim and his body positioning as his shield. That plus his surprising hops.

Cooke has great athleticism, but he challenges gravity too much. He will take a beating if he makes it to the NBA. What good are you if one out of five drives you are leaving the gym on crutches?
I agree with most of this stuff, but I'd challenge you to show me an example of Kyle finishing with his right hand. He rarely even dribbles with his left hand. That being said, though, Kyle is one of my favorite Flyers of all time. He oozes toughness and grit!
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Kyle has more ways to finish than I have seen. He is strong with the left, but also more than adequate with the right. He uses the rim and his body positioning as his shield. That plus his surprising hops.
Kyle may go to the right but he finishes with his left. AM made this point about a month ago on his Monday night show. The next game, I was watching and it was L L L R! L. I think he stuck a R in there to needle AM as I haven't seen one since.
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Pollard creates the best with the clock winding down. He stands beyond the three point line and no one covers him. Wonder if that now changes?
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Pollard creates the best with the clock winding down. He stands beyond the three point line and no one covers him. Wonder if that now changes?
Not in the first half. Only changes in the 2nd half if he makes some 3's.
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Not really his role typically - except in transition - but Pollard can manufacture. With the shot clock winding down, he can get it to the rim off the bounce. And he's probably getting the and 1. Or committing an offensive foul. One or the other.

It's going to be important for Crosby, Mikesell and Xeyrius to develop this obviously as our shot manufacturers are seniors. As noted above, Crosby can make the circus shot. He's got some Kevin Dillard him in. Xeyrius seems like a guy who just wants to shoot over people - rather than go downhill. Would like to see him drive it a bit more. Mikesell seems to be the furthest along though in this regard. He's our 4th best downhill option right now. I think he's capable now, and his confidence seems to be growing... adding strength to ake sure he can finish will be key.
I would assume you mean down in the blocks? Yes, he can create a pretty good move and shot down low with a quick spin baseline or into the lane. Pollard usually ends up being a bull in a china shop when facing the basket from the perimeter whether the shot clock is dwindling or not.
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I agree with most of this stuff, but I'd challenge you to show me an example of Kyle finishing with his right hand. He rarely even dribbles with his left hand. That being said, though, Kyle is one of my favorite Flyers of all time. He oozes toughness and grit!
I agree but I assume you mean he rarely dribbles with his right hand being that he is left-handed....The thing about him is even when he's on the right side in the half-court or on the break he usually is able to still get to his spot which would be finishing with his left...He's got a blend of skills far more from a physicality standpoint than BB skills as his hops, strength, athletic ability, and especially that bulldog in him is freakish..
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So one of the guys doing the game tonight on ESPN2 (I didn't recognize him at all), Tweeted a pic of the Flyers running through things this afternoon and Charles is in shorts and a long sleeve tee. He wasn't on the court at the time of the pic, but was in practice clothes, but we likely won't know anything until the next couple hours.

By the way, the other guy doing the game on ESPN2 is Jason Capel, North Carolina alum.
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So one of the guys doing the game tonight on ESPN2 (I didn't recognize him at all), Tweeted a pic of the Flyers running through things this afternoon and Charles is in shorts and a long sleeve tee. He wasn't on the court at the time of the pic, but was in practice clothes, but we likely won't know anything until the next couple hours.

By the way, the other guy doing the game on ESPN2 is Jason Capel, North Carolina alum.
He's not wearing a practice jersey in the picture, no clue if that means anything but it looks like about everyone else has one on.
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I agree with most of this stuff, but I'd challenge you to show me an example of Kyle finishing with his right hand. He rarely even dribbles with his left hand. That being said, though, Kyle is one of my favorite Flyers of all time. He oozes toughness and grit!
I know I have seen a few righties out of Kyle, but sometimes he will go under and finish on the right side with the left hand--I'll give you that.

NB: eagle45, you must have watched too many all-star games. The NBA is unkind to drivers and there are no gentlemen's agreements. I'm watching a lot of a bad Mavs team and Andrew Bogut and Justin Anderson take no prisoners. Tyson Chandler is another enforcer.
Besides that CC hurt himself without much help, unlike Josh's Alabama shipwreck. If you want to do that in the NBA, they will make it real easy for you. No one wants to be punked by an out-of-control flying driver.
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I agree but I assume you mean he rarely dribbles with his right hand being that he is left-handed....The thing about him is even when he's on the right side in the half-court or on the break he usually is able to still get to his spot which would be finishing with his left...He's got a blend of skills far more from a physicality standpoint than BB skills as his hops, strength, athletic ability, and especially that bulldog in him is freakish..
Opening 5 minutes last night Kyle went up with the right hand on a reverse layup.
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Opening 5 minutes last night Kyle went up with the right hand on a reverse layup.
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