2024 Recruiting Thread

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Monster Man Generally speaking, trying to recruit high profile local kids to play for Dayton in the weak A10 is a difficult obstacle to overcome. This won’t change until our league affiliation is significantly upgraded. Yes, we have great facilities and fan support, but playing road games in high school gyms in a one bid conference is a tough sell. Sucks that he chose that miserable school forty miles south!

Exactly why X vetoed our membership when the New BE started.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by flyer016 Sort this link by draft year: https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/c...16/nba-players You'll see that the Dayton alumni that played in the NBA has not seen a notable uptick in recent years. Despite being Crutcher being on the cusp, Toppin's the only NBA player Grant has produced at UD. I think both Holmes and Camara will get at the very least cups of coffee, but I don't think Mike's shown NBA caliber yet. And this is the point. Lots of hype and optimism, not much in the way of production. Hope we can regain some recruiting momentum in the 2024 class.

Thanks for the link. I will take a look. Binary IN/NOT IN criteria to measure uptick isn't a very good measurement of recruitment for a school that has only had a handful of players play in the NBA over the past 25 years let alone any meaningful time on the court.

To me it's the same problem I have with some who evaluate a coach ONLY on how many times they were in or not in the tourney. The misses need to be evaluated to some degree when classifyng the state of the program. It's a huge difference to ending as last team out, in top 75, or 200+ and above.

Same argument here. When if ever was the last time we had 2 players in several mock drafts in the same year? The nbr of kids declaring is another indicator of an uptick. We had 3 this year. Wondering if that has happened before either.

I think the obstacle to seeing the uptick to many is that it hasn't really translated on the court so it must have been hyperbole. Uptick and a lack of team success aren't mutually exclusive. Both can exist at the same time or there could be downward trend in high profile talent at the same time as an uptick in team success too.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer Exactly why X vetoed our membership when the New BE started.

X wasn't in the new Big East to veto us. They had no vote.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 X wasn't in the new Big East to veto us. They had no vote.

Maybe veto was the wrong word, but trust me when I say X made it clear that they did not want us in the league with them. The BE told them they would grant them their wish that time, but moving forward if there was additional expansion, they would not be able to block us again. This from a source that was/is very close with the Big East and had firsthand knowledge of the NBE expansion talks.

[lhsgolf19]

New offer this evening


Trent Noah @trentnoah2_
27m

After a great conversation with Coach Grant, I am honored to share that I have received an offer to University of Dayton! Huge thanks to the entire coaching staff for the opportunity to be a Flyer! @DaytonMBB

https://twitter.com/trentnoah2_/stat...892030977?s=20

6'7" Wing out of Kentucky

[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer Maybe veto was the wrong word, but trust me when I say X made it clear that they did not want us in the league with them. The BE told them they would grant them their wish that time, but moving forward if there was additional expansion, they would not be able to block us again. This from a source that was/is very close with the Big East and had firsthand knowledge of the NBE expansion talks.

I had heard the same thing.

[jack72]

Jazz Gardner committed to Nevada.

[OSU Flyer]

@jakelieberman2
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3h
Jaden Smith tells me that the following programs are recruiting him the hardest:

Xavier, Arizona St, GA Tech, Vandy, Wisconsin, Dayton, Illinois St, Fordham

-'24 top-150
-6'11 forward

Double digit offers

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 New offer this evening Trent Noah @trentnoah2_ 27m After a great conversation with Coach Grant, I am honored to share that I have received an offer to University of Dayton! Huge thanks to the entire coaching staff for the opportunity to be a Flyer! @DaytonMBB https://twitter.com/trentnoah2_/stat...892030977?s=20 6'7" Wing out of Kentucky

Ryan Mikesell2?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWHq...nnel=TrentNoah

[OSU Flyer]

Maybe it's because of the portal era but this seems like the quietest summer of recruiting I can remember

[flyer016]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Maybe it's because of the portal era but this seems like the quietest summer of recruiting I can remember

Seems traditional recruiting has fallen off the map for Grant and company.

The incoming class turned out fairly well, but it was certainly unconventional. Simons was a typical recruitment and signing. Otherwise two late decommits and a European longshot (who already bailed).

We'll find out in time if this is a fruitful approach, but Grant has always worked odd angles. Amzil and Nwokeji were mid-year additions. Toppin was effectively a Prop 48.

Hard to be too critical, because compared to its A10 brethren we've always been one of the more talented teams in conference.

[Buckleyma]

Originally Posted by jack72 Jazz Gardner committed to Nevada.

Yes, that gives Nevada two 7 footers and a 6’10” grad student who’s been playing college basketball for 12 years. I am just kidding. The kid has been injured, a lot.

I thought that Dayton was going to start playing a lot of Mountain West team’s? Whatever happened to that scheduling strategy?
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[Buckleyma]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer @jakelieberman2 · 3h Jaden Smith tells me that the following programs are recruiting him the hardest: Xavier, Arizona St, GA Tech, Vandy, Wisconsin, Dayton, Illinois St, Fordham -'24 top-150 -6'11 forward Double digit offers

247 Sports says 6’11” 205. So, he is very thin. Thin like Josh Benson or Richard Montague. I wonder if he is really 6’11”” or if the earlier web posts say he is 6’9”? Remember that Tyrone Baker was 6’11 at Georgia and came to Dayton and was suddenly 6’9”.
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	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[Jack D]

Originally Posted by jack72 Jazz Gardner committed to Nevada.

Nevada? Golly.

[lhsgolf19]

Big Official Visit starting this evening

6'6"/6'7" Sharp Shooting Wing Trent Noah out of Kentucky

https://twitter.com/JamieShaw5/statu...254921196?s=20

[flyer016]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Big Official Visit starting this evening 6'6"/6'7" Sharp Shooting Wing Trent Noah out of Kentucky https://twitter.com/JamieShaw5/statu...254921196?s=20

Per the tweet and On3, already officially visited Seton Hall.

He's currently in Dayton.

Upcoming official visits to Western Kentucky, Butler, South Carolina and Saint Louis.

Claims Cal, Stanford and VCU offers as well.

Baxter, where Noah hails from, is deep southeastern Kentucky; closer to Knoxville, Tennessee, than Lexington.

You'd think this would be a recruiting battle Dayton could win.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by flyer016 Per the tweet and On3, already officially visited Seton Hall. He's currently in Dayton. Upcoming official visits to Western Kentucky, Butler, South Carolina and Saint Louis. Claims Cal, Stanford and VCU offers as well. Baxter, where Noah hails from, is deep southeastern Kentucky; closer to Knoxville, Tennessee, than Lexington. You'd think this would be a recruiting battle Dayton could win.

That's pretty darn close to the Cumberland Gap

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Big Official Visit starting this evening 6'6"/6'7" Sharp Shooting Wing Trent Noah out of Kentucky https://twitter.com/JamieShaw5/statu...254921196?s=20

Any word on how his visit went?

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Baxter, KY is in an area with a lot of Appalachian poverty. My mother is from the Virginia side around 35 minutes away. June Carter Cash was from the same area in VA. She was from Poor Valley. I still chuckle when I think about Poor Valley. As poor as everyone else was, how little did the people in Poor Valley have?
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[lhsgolf19]

We are in the Final 8 for Trent Noah:

UD, SLU, South Carolina, Stanford, Richmond, Western Kentucky, Butler, Seton Hall.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[jack72]

Trent led Harlan County and ranked seventh across KHSAA with 28.1 points per game on 54% shooting as a sophomore. The 6-7 guard made 38.4% of his 3-pointers and grabbed a team-best 9.9 rebounds per contest.

[lhsgolf19]

Sadly, Trent Noah announcing this weekend... Looks like South Carolina... at least it wasn't an A-10 team, onto the next.

[lhsgolf19]

Final 5 for Chicago Big Man Jaden Smith

Dayton, Loyola, Arizona State, DePaul and Fordham
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	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[flyer016]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Final 5 for Chicago Big Man Jaden Smith Dayton, Loyola, Arizona State, DePaul and Fordham Posted via Mobile Device

Definitely a winnable final five.

You'd have to think Dayton's recent success developing big men has to be appealing to somebody like Jaden Smith.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[lhsgolf19]

Final 5 for Illinois 6'11" Big Man Ethan Lathan, who will play this year at AZ Compass Prep, where Deuce Played.

Dayton, LSU, GT, ODU and Indiana State.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Final 5 for Illinois 6'11" Big Man Ethan Lathan, who will play this year at AZ Compass Prep, where Deuce Played. Dayton, LSU, GT, ODU and Indiana State.

He also played at Calvary Christian in Fort Lauderdale, where Marvel Allen played 2 seasons. The staff has a lot of connections in the Fort Lauderdale/Miami area.

[flyer016]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Final 5 for Illinois 6'11" Big Man Ethan Lathan, who will play this year at AZ Compass Prep, where Deuce Played. Dayton, LSU, GT, ODU and Indiana State.

Lathan previously played at Calvary Christian, where Marvel Allen played his sophomore and junior seasons. Not sure that means anything, honestly, just thought it was interesting. (Allen played his senior season at Montverde where DaRon Holmes played half of his senior season.)

Hard to pin down where Lathan is from originally. A couple recruiting services suggest Rockford, Illinois. Another says Branson, Missouri. Compass will be his fourth high school, each in a different state (Illinois, Missouri, Florida and Arizona).

Super athletic big. Looks like an NBA player in his highlights. I suspect there's some inconsistency in his game.

[TommyGola]

Wow, Lathan is very mobile and athletic for a player his size.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XoC...ssureAthletics

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by flyer016 Hard to pin down where Lathan is from originally. A couple recruiting services suggest Rockford, Illinois. Another says Branson, Missouri. Compass will be his fourth high school, each in a different state (Illinois, Missouri, Florida and Arizona). .

If I were the coaching staff I’d ask a lot of questions on this point. Caveat Emptor.

[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Final 5 for Illinois 6'11" Big Man Ethan Lathan, who will play this year at AZ Compass Prep, where Deuce Played. Dayton, LSU, GT, ODU and Indiana State.

Announces today, Friday October 20, 2023 at noon Pacific time which is 3:00PM our time!

I have a good feeling on this kid! Very athletic!

[Hyde Park Flyer]

He may be looking to get the scholly before Jaden Smith (the Chicago big).
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[steverino015]

this would be very cool...... we'll see~!

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer He may be looking to get the scholly before Jaden Smith (the Chicago big). Posted via Mobile Device

plenty of room and playing time for both of them

[The Fly]

Did he have a Dayton visit? I don’t recall one. He has visited some of the other finalists.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by TommyGola Wow, Lathan is very mobile and athletic for a player his size. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XoC...ssureAthletics

He has power forward written all over him. Wonder if he has any outside shooting skills? He is Grant's kind of player, mobile, good defender and can play other positions.

[Flyer Al]

Ethan Lathan picked Old Dominion


https://247sports.com/Article/top150...ion-218449279/

[UDGutter2]

Chose Old Dominion. On to the next. Perhaps he'll change his mind in a year or 2.

[jack72]

Strange choice, but NIL must have played into it.

[The Fly]

Jaden Smith, 6-11, to announce his college choice on Friday. Dayton is one of five finalists. I don’t know if we had him in for a visit. Would love to get this kid, though DePaul may be the favorite.

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“Jaden Smith, the No. 39 overall center in the 2024 class, out of Chicago (Ill.) Kenwood will make his college decision on Friday, October 27th at 3:30 PM CT live on Instagram. Finalists: Arizona State, Dayton, DePaul, Loyola Chicago and Fordham.”

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[lhsgolf19]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Final 5 for Chicago Big Man Jaden Smith Dayton, Loyola, Arizona State, DePaul and Fordham Posted via Mobile Device

Jaden has committed to Arizona State

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[The Fly]

Ouch. Wish we’d gotten him here for a visit. On to the next …

[steverino015]

good luck to him

NEXT!

[flyer016]

Not a great sign that they're having trouble landing big men, given the development and success of Toppin, Camara and Holmes.

Grant and company continue to move away from traditional recruiting, and with as talented of a roster as they've ever had, maybe we shouldn't sweat it.

But with a week and half until signing day, Dayton on pace to land just one okay prospect (Simon) in the last two traditional recruiting classes. I suppose it's six of one, a half dozen of another, but roster building this way feels a little unsettling.

Winning the A10 and making a run to the second weekend would increase UD's profile among prospects. Let's go ahead and do that.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by flyer016 Not a great sign that they're having trouble landing big men, given the development and success of Toppin, Camara and Holmes. Grant and company continue to move away from traditional recruiting, and with as talented of a roster as they've ever had, maybe we shouldn't sweat it. But with a week and half until signing day, Dayton on pace to land just one okay prospect (Simon) in the last two traditional recruiting classes. I suppose it's six of one, a half dozen of another, but roster building this way feels a little unsettling. Winning the A10 and making a run to the second weekend would increase UD's profile among prospects. Let's go ahead and do that.

I don't think there's anything wrong with using the portal in addition to adding freshmen, or even using it more than freshmen. I guess my question would be, don't you consider Petras Padegimas and Marvel Allen to be "okay?" On paper I would say they are more than just okay. This year they signed four transfers and four freshmen (even though Erceg backed out). That seems like a pretty good mix.

[GoFlyer]

Geez, can we just relax and give the coaching team some slack? Go back and read some of our bball geniuses on this board and according to their opinion most of the recruits we landed couldn't play for the Little Sisters of the Poor.....give it a break!!

[jack72]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 We have our 1st 2024 Offer Local Product who visited for the Game tonight Lane Willoughby @LaneWilloughby2 1h 2024 Chaminade Julienne guard Jonathan Powell has picked up an offer from the #Flyers. https://www.instagram.com/p/CWPZqDurw3e/ Top 5 Player in the State for his class

Powell officially signed with X.

[Buckleyma]

Mo Amzil signed up with Dayton on November 16 and was able to play at the half way point in the academic year. Since we are past November 16, does this mean that there is no new player joining to replace the European guy (Erceg) who left? Erceg left around July 8.
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